The Brute Core PrC [Archive] - Wizards Community

The Brute Core PrC [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Khaine
06-15-05, 03:15 AM As I stated in the survivor thread, I finally realized that the whole core prc thing just doesn't work well for DS. Worse yet, I've recently got the feeling that it somehow detracts from DS as I worked on converting the rest of the series. Therefor, I've converted the Brute, Kestral, and Survivor over to normal prcs for Dark Sun use. The original versions are still available on request. As always, comments are welcome.

Brute (prestige class)
Taking advantage of his natural strength, a brute hones his body into perfect machine, capable of extraordinary feats of physical power. Developing their strength in such as a fashion leads many brutes to become powerful, if unsubtle, hand-to-hand combatants, but not all brutes are hard core fighters. Some chose this class more for the physical strengthening involved than the opportunity to beat the crap out of people, but these are rare. Half-giants and mul are natural brutes, with exceptional talent and strength, while dwarves also find the brute class rewards their tenacity. Humans make exceptionally skillful and versatile brutes as well.
Hit Die: d8.

Requirements
To qualify to become a Brute, a character must fulfill all of the following criteria.
Base Attack Bonus: +3
Skills: Intimidate 4 ranks
Feats: Endurance, Power Attack

Table 3-x: The Brute
Level Atk Fort Ref Will Special
1 +1 +2 +0 +0 Extreme Effort, Unarmed Combat
2 +2 +3 +0 +0 Bonus Ability Point
3 +3 +3 +1 +1 Bonus Feat
4 +4 +4 +1 +1 Bonus Ability Point
5 +5 +4 +1 +1 Bonus Feat

Brute Unarmed Damage
Level Damage
1 1d3
2 1d4
3 1d4
4 1d6
5 1d6

Class Skills
Brutes have the following skills as class skills: Balance (Dex), Bluff (Cha), Climb (Str), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Listen (Wis), Spot (Wis), and Tumble (Dex).
Skill points per level: 2 + Intelligence bonus

Class Features
All of the following are class features of the Brute prestige class.
Weapon and Armor Proficiency:[/B] Brutes are proficient in all simple weapons and all light armors. They are not proficient in shields of any sort.
Unarmed Combat: Brutes are skilled in unarmed combat, and receive Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat. Also, their unarmed damage increases as they gains class levels, as shown on table 3-x.
Extreme Effort: The brute can push himself beyond his normal limits. Once per day, he can add a morale bonus equal to his class level to his Strength score for either a single round or a number of rounds equal to the brute’s Constitution score, at his option. The Strength bonus given by extreme effort does not affect the brute’s melee attack rolls or damage rolls, but applies to grapple checks and all other applications of Strength. After the effort is over, the brute is fatigued for a number of rounds equal to the duration of the effort, although if extreme effort is used only for one round no fatigue occurs.
Bonus Ability Point: At 2nd level, the brute’s emphasis on physical training enables him to increase his Strength by one point. The brute receives an additional bonus Strength point at 4th level.
Bonus Feats: At 3rd level, a brute can choose a bonus feat from the following list: Combat Reflexes, Cleave (Great Cleave), Clever Wrestling, Close Quarters Fighting, Diehard, Dirty Fighting, Earth’s Embrace, Extended Effort, Extra Effort, Great Fortitude, Impromptu Arsenal, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Critical, Improved Grapple, Improved Overrun, Improved Sunder, Stunning Fist, Toughness, Weapon Focus. The character must meet the prerequisites for any feat that he selects. A brute receives an additional bonus feat at 5th level.

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Related Feats
Dirty Fighting [General, Combat]
You can use the brutal and effective fighting tactics of the back alleys and the untamed wilds.
Prerequisites: Base Attack Bonus +1, Bluff or Intimidate 2 ranks
Benefits: You can make a Bluff or Intimidate check against an opponent to do extra damage in melee combat. Make a Bluff check (or an Intimidate check at a –2 penalty) in conjunction with a melee attack roll. If the attack roll is successful and the opponent fails a Will save against the DC set by your Bluff or Intimidate check, you inflict +1d4 additional points of damage. Dirty fighting is only effective against living humanoid (including monstrous humanoid) creatures with a discernable anatomy. The benefits of this feat can only be used once per round.
Special: This feat can be used in conjunction with a Feint action. If you successfully feint before attempting to use dirty fighting you gain a +4 circumstance bonus to your Bluff or Intimidate check.
Conversion Note: In my version of the Dark Sun setting, this version of the Dirty Fighting feat takes precedence over the version presented in Sword & Fist.

Extended Effort [General]
You can push your limits longer than ever before.
Prerequisites: Constitution 13 or higher, Desperate Effort or Extreme Effort class feature
Benefits: When using your effort class feature add your Constitution modifier to the number of rounds the ability lasts. If you have more than one effort style class feature, you must chose which one this feat applies to.
Special: You can take this feat multiple times, applying its effects to a different effort style class feature each time.

Extra Effort [General]
You can push your limits more often than normal.
Prerequisites: Desperate Effort or Extreme Effort class feature
Benefits: Your can use your effort class feature an additional two times per day. If you have more than one effort style class feature, you must chose which one this feat applies to.
Special: You can take this feat multiple times, and its benefits stack.

Impromptu Arsenal [General, Combat]
You are familiar with the use of everyday objects as weaponry.
Prerequisites: Base Attack Bonus +2
Benefits: You only suffer a –2 penalty to attack rolls made using improvised weapons.
Normal: Attack rolls made using improvised weapons suffer a –4 penalty.
Jon, Oracle of Athas
06-15-05, 04:58 PM Before I even start, I want everyone to know that I still use "barbarian" as the name of the barabarian class in DS, as IMO "civilized" barbarians are equally as likely as "uncivilized" ones. I'm not trying to dis the guys at athas.org here, its just a matter of taste

Incidentally, the brute name has been abandoned in the new version of DS 3.5 Core Rules to be released shortly.
Sysane
06-15-05, 05:00 PM Incidentally, the brute name has been abandoned in the new version of DS 3.5 Core Rules to be released shortly.

And will now be called the "savage" .

Just kidding :P
Pennarin
06-15-05, 07:56 PM I prefer "swiner" myself :D
Kalthandrix
06-15-05, 10:06 PM How about the Hack'em Master :D or it that under copyright!
Jon, Oracle of Athas
06-16-05, 05:43 AM It will be called a barbarian. :P
Gilliard DeRosan
06-16-05, 12:27 PM It will be called a barbarian. :P

But... but... thats just barbaric.

hehehe. But you know.. it has.. finesse, it has style. Yes, I think calling the DS version of the barbarian a barbarian is an eloquent decision /duck
Khaine
06-16-05, 12:30 PM It will be called a barbarian. :P

:cartman: Sweet! Don't get me wrong, I love the fluff text though.
Kalthandrix
06-16-05, 05:11 PM It will be called a barbarian. :P
Are you sure?

I think it would be sweet to see a horde of Hack'em Masters charging and yelling "HACK'EM! Hack'em! Hack'em!"

I like it so much that you don't even have to pay me for the idea :D but I will take a bit of your cookie :cookie:

PS -Sorry for the crazy-> long day and small hot room crunching numbers and pushing paper!
Jon, Oracle of Athas
06-20-05, 08:19 AM As opposed to a bunch of barbarians running around screaming "BAR! BAR! BAR!" hoping to get lucky? :P
Khaine
06-20-05, 11:48 PM As opposed to a bunch of barbarians running around screaming "BAR! BAR! BAR!" hoping to get lucky? :P

Are so sure you don't mean college students? ;)
Kalthandrix
06-21-05, 08:52 AM Are so sure you don't mean college students? ;)
If they were college students, they would have this ability Rave
Stay up all night partying with no penilties due to fatigue. After the college student uses this ability they must spend the next 12 hours resting to recover, no save allowed.
Khaine
06-21-05, 09:49 AM If they were college students, they would have this ability

Kinda sounds like something a PrC would give :cool:
Khaine
07-24-05, 03:00 AM :bump: for the redo
Ruhl-Than Sage
07-24-05, 05:18 PM I would suggest adding Power Attack to the list of feats required so that you can remove the strength score requirement.

Your Unarmed Attack chart is off, unless you made it for a halfling :P . It should start at 1d4 I would have it run like this:

1st 1d4
2nd 1d4
3rd 1d6
4th 1d6
5th 1d8

Also, you might consider dropping the Physical Intimidation ability and removing Unarmed Strike as a Prerequisite, then placing Unarmed Strike where Physical Intimidation is. The reason I say this is that I would wager most DMs already allow characters to use their strength scores to intimidate in the right sorts of situations, actually I've never met a DM who hasn't. And if the situation isn't appropriate for you to be able to use intimidate in that way, you shouldn't be able to anyway. That also, keeps the prerequisite feats at 2 if you add power attack to the list.

Extreme Effort: The brute can push himself beyond his normal limits. Once per day, he can add a morale bonus equal to his class level to his Strength score for 1d4 rounds. After the effort is over, the brute is fatigued for a number of rounds equal to the duration of the effort.

Considering the bonuses to strength recieved by the class and their good BAB, I don't think this ability should be applicable to normal combat situations. That is, I don't think you should be able to use this like a Barabarian Rage to temporarily increase your hit and damage in combat. I would recommend that you limit this ability to various feats of strength and to grappling. For instances: lifting/moving heavy objects, breaking down doors and breaking other objects, and grappling or escaping from a grapple. If you decide to change the ability this way, you might also consider the option of allowing the bonus to be added for 1 round without causing fatigue and extending the duration that it can be used for normally to say 3 rounds + con modifier (like a Barbariab rage) or even as much as 1 minute.

I would make a list of Bonus feats specifically for the PrC, I don't think all the Fighter bonus feats are appropriate.

The whole Power Attack tree, Diehard, Great Fortitude, Improved Critical, Improved Grapple, Stunning Fist, Toughness, Weapon Focus, Weapon Specialization, and the Greater versions of any of these seem appropriate. The Combat Expertise, Dodge, and Archery Trees definately do not.
NytCrawlr
07-24-05, 07:00 PM Incidentally, the brute name has been abandoned in the new version of DS 3.5 Core Rules to be released shortly.

No offense to Brax, but it's about freaking time, heh.

:bounce:
NytCrawlr
07-24-05, 07:02 PM :cartman: Sweet! Don't get me wrong, I love the fluff text though.

Oh, the fluff rules handsdown, but that doesn't neccessary require a name change.

The Brute name to me is like Star Wars Episodes 1 & 2, at first I like them both, but then as time dragged on I saw how horrible they really were. Not saying the name was all that horrible, just too damn cheesy for my tastes.
Khaine
07-25-05, 03:40 AM I would suggest adding Power Attack to the list of feats required so that you can remove the strength score requirement.

Done.

Your Unarmed Attack chart is off, unless you made it for a halfling :P . It should start at 1d4 I would have it run like this:

The reason I went the way I did is to show they basically receive no bonus to unarmed damage at 1st level.

Considering the bonuses to strength recieved by the class and their good BAB, I don't think this ability should be applicable to normal combat situations. That is, I don't think you should be able to use this like a Barabarian Rage to temporarily increase your hit and damage in combat. I would recommend that you limit this ability to various feats of strength and to grappling. For instances: lifting/moving heavy objects, breaking down doors and breaking other objects, and grappling or escaping from a grapple. If you decide to change the ability this way, you might also consider the option of allowing the bonus to be added for 1 round without causing fatigue and extending the duration that it can be used for normally to say 3 rounds + con modifier (like a Barbariab rage) or even as much as 1 minute.

Agreed, note that I'll change the fringer's extreme effort to desperate effort in order to separate the two abilities.

I would make a list of Bonus feats specifically for the PrC, I don't think all the Fighter bonus feats are appropriate.

The whole Power Attack tree, Diehard, Great Fortitude, Improved Critical, Improved Grapple, Stunning Fist, Toughness, Weapon Focus, Weapon Specialization, and the Greater versions of any of these seem appropriate. The Combat Expertise, Dodge, and Archery Trees definately do not.

:steal: ;)
Ruhl-Than Sage
07-25-05, 10:22 AM I normal medium creature with the Improved Unarmed Strike feat has does 1d4 points of damage with their unarmed strike. A monk who gets an increased amount of damage dealing ability at 1st level does 1d6 points of damage. 1d3 points of damage is how much a halfling with the feat would do, hence my comment. So, if you have the unarmed damage set at 1d3 at 1st level, you are actually reducing the characters unarmed strike damage from what it would normally be with the feat. :P
Pennarin
07-25-05, 02:07 PM I normal medium creature with the Improved Unarmed Strike feat has does 1d4 points of damage with their unarmed strike.
Sage, don't kill me, but what does this phrase mean?
Ruhl-Than Sage
07-25-05, 05:38 PM :heehee I meant: A medium creature with the Unarmed Strike feat normally deals 1d4 points of damage with thier unarmed attacks.
Khaine
07-27-05, 01:49 AM :heehee I meant: A medium creature with the Unarmed Strike feat normally deals 1d4 points of damage with thier unarmed attacks.

:noway: Unless there's some errata along the way I missed, Improved Unarmed Combat doesn't increase your unarmed damage (1d2 for a small humanoid, 1s3 for a medium one). Maybe you're thinking of the Martial Arts feat from the Star Wars RPG (which does exactly what you're describing) or some house rule?
Ruhl-Than Sage
07-27-05, 08:14 AM Sory, I guess I hadn't realized that rule had changed.
Kalthandrix
07-27-05, 08:58 AM I think the name should be changed to Hack'em Masters :D
Khaine
07-27-05, 09:05 AM Sory, I guess I hadn't realized that rule had changed.

No prob :)
brun01
07-27-05, 10:01 AM Khaine,

The link for your site in your sig isn't working...
Khaine
07-27-05, 10:37 AM Khaine,

The link for your site in your sig isn't working...

OK, got it running again. Thanks! (I would never have caught it :) )
Kalthandrix
07-27-05, 10:40 AM Khaine check your e-mail- about crystalite PrC.
Pennarin
07-27-05, 02:50 PM Cool site Khaine! Some talent you got there for making simple websites look good...
Ruhl-Than Sage
07-27-05, 09:22 PM Very nice website brun01. :D , now all I have to do is learn Portugese ;)
brun01
07-28-05, 07:27 AM Very nice website brun01. :D , now all I have to do is learn Portugese ;)

Hehe, thanks! We work very hard on it.

The bad news is it's a lot harder than english... but easier than japanese.
Khaine
07-28-05, 07:45 AM Khaine check your e-mail- about crystalite PrC.

Thanks! (I forget sometimes :) )
Khaine
07-28-05, 07:53 AM Cool site Khaine! Some talent you got there for making simple websites look good...

Thanks Penn! Now if I could just get my butt in gear and get more material on there ;)
Ruhl-Than Sage
07-28-05, 08:19 AM Hehe, thanks! We work very hard on it.

The bad news is it's a lot harder than english... but easier than japanese.

Thats good, I know a little Japanese. Enough to get around and read signs. If its easier than that, its easier than what I've already tried to learn ;)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Khaine 06-15-05, 03:15 AM	As I stated in the survivor thread, I finally realized that the whole core prc thing just doesn't work well for DS. Worse yet, I've recently got the feeling that it somehow detracts from DS as I worked on converting the rest of the series. Therefor, I've converted the Brute, Kestral, and Survivor over to normal prcs for Dark Sun use. The original versions are still available on request. As always, comments are welcome. Brute (prestige class) Taking advantage of his natural strength, a brute hones his body into perfect machine, capable of extraordinary feats of physical power. Developing their strength in such as a fashion leads many brutes to become powerful, if unsubtle, hand-to-hand combatants, but not all brutes are hard core fighters. Some chose this class more for the physical strengthening involved than the opportunity to beat the crap out of people, but these are rare. Half-giants and mul are natural brutes, with exceptional talent and strength, while dwarves also find the brute class rewards their tenacity. Humans make exceptionally skillful and versatile brutes as well. Hit Die: d8. Requirements To qualify to become a Brute, a character must fulfill all of the following criteria. Base Attack Bonus: +3 Skills: Intimidate 4 ranks Feats: Endurance, Power Attack Table 3-x: The Brute Level Atk Fort Ref Will Special 1 +1 +2 +0 +0 Extreme Effort, Unarmed Combat 2 +2 +3 +0 +0 Bonus Ability Point 3 +3 +3 +1 +1 Bonus Feat 4 +4 +4 +1 +1 Bonus Ability Point 5 +5 +4 +1 +1 Bonus Feat Brute Unarmed Damage Level Damage 1 1d3 2 1d4 3 1d4 4 1d6 5 1d6 Class Skills Brutes have the following skills as class skills: Balance (Dex), Bluff (Cha), Climb (Str), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Listen (Wis), Spot (Wis), and Tumble (Dex). Skill points per level: 2 + Intelligence bonus Class Features All of the following are class features of the Brute prestige class. Weapon and Armor Proficiency:[/B] Brutes are proficient in all simple weapons and all light armors. They are not proficient in shields of any sort. Unarmed Combat: Brutes are skilled in unarmed combat, and receive Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat. Also, their unarmed damage increases as they gains class levels, as shown on table 3-x. Extreme Effort: The brute can push himself beyond his normal limits. Once per day, he can add a morale bonus equal to his class level to his Strength score for either a single round or a number of rounds equal to the brute’s Constitution score, at his option. The Strength bonus given by extreme effort does not affect the brute’s melee attack rolls or damage rolls, but applies to grapple checks and all other applications of Strength. After the effort is over, the brute is fatigued for a number of rounds equal to the duration of the effort, although if extreme effort is used only for one round no fatigue occurs. Bonus Ability Point: At 2nd level, the brute’s emphasis on physical training enables him to increase his Strength by one point. The brute receives an additional bonus Strength point at 4th level. Bonus Feats: At 3rd level, a brute can choose a bonus feat from the following list: Combat Reflexes, Cleave (Great Cleave), Clever Wrestling, Close Quarters Fighting, Diehard, Dirty Fighting, Earth’s Embrace, Extended Effort, Extra Effort, Great Fortitude, Impromptu Arsenal, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Critical, Improved Grapple, Improved Overrun, Improved Sunder, Stunning Fist, Toughness, Weapon Focus. The character must meet the prerequisites for any feat that he selects. A brute receives an additional bonus feat at 5th level. ----------------------------- Related Feats Dirty Fighting [General, Combat] You can use the brutal and effective fighting tactics of the back alleys and the untamed wilds. Prerequisites: Base Attack Bonus +1, Bluff or Intimidate 2 ranks Benefits: You can make a Bluff or Intimidate check against an opponent to do extra damage in melee combat. Make a Bluff check (or an Intimidate check at a –2 penalty) in conjunction with a melee attack roll. If the attack roll is successful and the opponent fails a Will save against the DC set by your Bluff or Intimidate check, you inflict +1d4 additional points of damage. Dirty fighting is only effective against living humanoid (including monstrous humanoid) creatures with a discernable anatomy. The benefits of this feat can only be used once per round. Special: This feat can be used in conjunction with a Feint action. If you successfully feint before attempting to use dirty fighting you gain a +4 circumstance bonus to your Bluff or Intimidate check. Conversion Note: In my version of the Dark Sun setting, this version of the Dirty Fighting feat takes precedence over the version presented in Sword & Fist. Extended Effort [General] You can push your limits longer than ever before. Prerequisites: Constitution 13 or higher, Desperate Effort or Extreme Effort class feature Benefits: When using your effort class feature add your Constitution modifier to the number of rounds the ability lasts. If you have more than one effort style class feature, you must chose which one this feat applies to. Special: You can take this feat multiple times, applying its effects to a different effort style class feature each time. Extra Effort [General] You can push your limits more often than normal. Prerequisites: Desperate Effort or Extreme Effort class feature Benefits: Your can use your effort class feature an additional two times per day. If you have more than one effort style class feature, you must chose which one this feat applies to. Special: You can take this feat multiple times, and its benefits stack. Impromptu Arsenal [General, Combat] You are familiar with the use of everyday objects as weaponry. Prerequisites: Base Attack Bonus +2 Benefits: You only suffer a –2 penalty to attack rolls made using improvised weapons. Normal: Attack rolls made using improvised weapons suffer a –4 penalty.
Jon, Oracle of Athas 06-15-05, 04:58 PM	Before I even start, I want everyone to know that I still use "barbarian" as the name of the barabarian class in DS, as IMO "civilized" barbarians are equally as likely as "uncivilized" ones. I'm not trying to dis the guys at athas.org here, its just a matter of taste Incidentally, the brute name has been abandoned in the new version of DS 3.5 Core Rules to be released shortly.
Sysane 06-15-05, 05:00 PM	Incidentally, the brute name has been abandoned in the new version of DS 3.5 Core Rules to be released shortly. And will now be called the "savage" . Just kidding :P
Pennarin 06-15-05, 07:56 PM	I prefer "swiner" myself :D
Kalthandrix 06-15-05, 10:06 PM	How about the Hack'em Master :D or it that under copyright!
Jon, Oracle of Athas 06-16-05, 05:43 AM	It will be called a barbarian. :P
Gilliard DeRosan 06-16-05, 12:27 PM	It will be called a barbarian. :P But... but... thats just barbaric. hehehe. But you know.. it has.. finesse, it has style. Yes, I think calling the DS version of the barbarian a barbarian is an eloquent decision /duck
Khaine 06-16-05, 12:30 PM	It will be called a barbarian. :P :cartman: Sweet! Don't get me wrong, I love the fluff text though.
Kalthandrix 06-16-05, 05:11 PM	It will be called a barbarian. :P Are you sure? I think it would be sweet to see a horde of Hack'em Masters charging and yelling "HACK'EM! Hack'em! Hack'em!" I like it so much that you don't even have to pay me for the idea :D but I will take a bit of your cookie :cookie: PS -Sorry for the crazy-> long day and small hot room crunching numbers and pushing paper!
Jon, Oracle of Athas 06-20-05, 08:19 AM	As opposed to a bunch of barbarians running around screaming "BAR! BAR! BAR!" hoping to get lucky? :P
Khaine 06-20-05, 11:48 PM	As opposed to a bunch of barbarians running around screaming "BAR! BAR! BAR!" hoping to get lucky? :P Are so sure you don't mean college students? ;)
Kalthandrix 06-21-05, 08:52 AM	Are so sure you don't mean college students? ;) If they were college students, they would have this ability Rave Stay up all night partying with no penilties due to fatigue. After the college student uses this ability they must spend the next 12 hours resting to recover, no save allowed.
Khaine 06-21-05, 09:49 AM	If they were college students, they would have this ability Kinda sounds like something a PrC would give :cool:
Khaine 07-24-05, 03:00 AM	:bump: for the redo
Ruhl-Than Sage 07-24-05, 05:18 PM	I would suggest adding Power Attack to the list of feats required so that you can remove the strength score requirement. Your Unarmed Attack chart is off, unless you made it for a halfling :P . It should start at 1d4 I would have it run like this: 1st 1d4 2nd 1d4 3rd 1d6 4th 1d6 5th 1d8 Also, you might consider dropping the Physical Intimidation ability and removing Unarmed Strike as a Prerequisite, then placing Unarmed Strike where Physical Intimidation is. The reason I say this is that I would wager most DMs already allow characters to use their strength scores to intimidate in the right sorts of situations, actually I've never met a DM who hasn't. And if the situation isn't appropriate for you to be able to use intimidate in that way, you shouldn't be able to anyway. That also, keeps the prerequisite feats at 2 if you add power attack to the list. Extreme Effort: The brute can push himself beyond his normal limits. Once per day, he can add a morale bonus equal to his class level to his Strength score for 1d4 rounds. After the effort is over, the brute is fatigued for a number of rounds equal to the duration of the effort. Considering the bonuses to strength recieved by the class and their good BAB, I don't think this ability should be applicable to normal combat situations. That is, I don't think you should be able to use this like a Barabarian Rage to temporarily increase your hit and damage in combat. I would recommend that you limit this ability to various feats of strength and to grappling. For instances: lifting/moving heavy objects, breaking down doors and breaking other objects, and grappling or escaping from a grapple. If you decide to change the ability this way, you might also consider the option of allowing the bonus to be added for 1 round without causing fatigue and extending the duration that it can be used for normally to say 3 rounds + con modifier (like a Barbariab rage) or even as much as 1 minute. I would make a list of Bonus feats specifically for the PrC, I don't think all the Fighter bonus feats are appropriate. The whole Power Attack tree, Diehard, Great Fortitude, Improved Critical, Improved Grapple, Stunning Fist, Toughness, Weapon Focus, Weapon Specialization, and the Greater versions of any of these seem appropriate. The Combat Expertise, Dodge, and Archery Trees definately do not.
NytCrawlr 07-24-05, 07:00 PM	Incidentally, the brute name has been abandoned in the new version of DS 3.5 Core Rules to be released shortly. No offense to Brax, but it's about freaking time, heh. :bounce:
NytCrawlr 07-24-05, 07:02 PM	:cartman: Sweet! Don't get me wrong, I love the fluff text though. Oh, the fluff rules handsdown, but that doesn't neccessary require a name change. The Brute name to me is like Star Wars Episodes 1 & 2, at first I like them both, but then as time dragged on I saw how horrible they really were. Not saying the name was all that horrible, just too damn cheesy for my tastes.
Khaine 07-25-05, 03:40 AM	I would suggest adding Power Attack to the list of feats required so that you can remove the strength score requirement. Done. Your Unarmed Attack chart is off, unless you made it for a halfling :P . It should start at 1d4 I would have it run like this: The reason I went the way I did is to show they basically receive no bonus to unarmed damage at 1st level. Considering the bonuses to strength recieved by the class and their good BAB, I don't think this ability should be applicable to normal combat situations. That is, I don't think you should be able to use this like a Barabarian Rage to temporarily increase your hit and damage in combat. I would recommend that you limit this ability to various feats of strength and to grappling. For instances: lifting/moving heavy objects, breaking down doors and breaking other objects, and grappling or escaping from a grapple. If you decide to change the ability this way, you might also consider the option of allowing the bonus to be added for 1 round without causing fatigue and extending the duration that it can be used for normally to say 3 rounds + con modifier (like a Barbariab rage) or even as much as 1 minute. Agreed, note that I'll change the fringer's extreme effort to desperate effort in order to separate the two abilities. I would make a list of Bonus feats specifically for the PrC, I don't think all the Fighter bonus feats are appropriate. The whole Power Attack tree, Diehard, Great Fortitude, Improved Critical, Improved Grapple, Stunning Fist, Toughness, Weapon Focus, Weapon Specialization, and the Greater versions of any of these seem appropriate. The Combat Expertise, Dodge, and Archery Trees definately do not. :steal: ;)
Ruhl-Than Sage 07-25-05, 10:22 AM	I normal medium creature with the Improved Unarmed Strike feat has does 1d4 points of damage with their unarmed strike. A monk who gets an increased amount of damage dealing ability at 1st level does 1d6 points of damage. 1d3 points of damage is how much a halfling with the feat would do, hence my comment. So, if you have the unarmed damage set at 1d3 at 1st level, you are actually reducing the characters unarmed strike damage from what it would normally be with the feat. :P
Pennarin 07-25-05, 02:07 PM	I normal medium creature with the Improved Unarmed Strike feat has does 1d4 points of damage with their unarmed strike. Sage, don't kill me, but what does this phrase mean?
Ruhl-Than Sage 07-25-05, 05:38 PM	:heehee I meant: A medium creature with the Unarmed Strike feat normally deals 1d4 points of damage with thier unarmed attacks.
Khaine 07-27-05, 01:49 AM	:heehee I meant: A medium creature with the Unarmed Strike feat normally deals 1d4 points of damage with thier unarmed attacks. :noway: Unless there's some errata along the way I missed, Improved Unarmed Combat doesn't increase your unarmed damage (1d2 for a small humanoid, 1s3 for a medium one). Maybe you're thinking of the Martial Arts feat from the Star Wars RPG (which does exactly what you're describing) or some house rule?
Ruhl-Than Sage 07-27-05, 08:14 AM	Sory, I guess I hadn't realized that rule had changed.
Kalthandrix 07-27-05, 08:58 AM	I think the name should be changed to Hack'em Masters :D
Khaine 07-27-05, 09:05 AM	Sory, I guess I hadn't realized that rule had changed. No prob :)
brun01 07-27-05, 10:01 AM	Khaine, The link for your site in your sig isn't working...
Khaine 07-27-05, 10:37 AM	Khaine, The link for your site in your sig isn't working... OK, got it running again. Thanks! (I would never have caught it :) )
Kalthandrix 07-27-05, 10:40 AM	Khaine check your e-mail- about crystalite PrC.
Pennarin 07-27-05, 02:50 PM	Cool site Khaine! Some talent you got there for making simple websites look good...
Ruhl-Than Sage 07-27-05, 09:22 PM	Very nice website brun01. :D , now all I have to do is learn Portugese ;)
brun01 07-28-05, 07:27 AM	Very nice website brun01. :D , now all I have to do is learn Portugese ;) Hehe, thanks! We work very hard on it. The bad news is it's a lot harder than english... but easier than japanese.
Khaine 07-28-05, 07:45 AM	Khaine check your e-mail- about crystalite PrC. Thanks! (I forget sometimes :) )
Khaine 07-28-05, 07:53 AM	Cool site Khaine! Some talent you got there for making simple websites look good... Thanks Penn! Now if I could just get my butt in gear and get more material on there ;)
Ruhl-Than Sage 07-28-05, 08:19 AM	Hehe, thanks! We work very hard on it. The bad news is it's a lot harder than english... but easier than japanese. Thats good, I know a little Japanese. Enough to get around and read signs. If its easier than that, its easier than what I've already tried to learn ;)