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Skritz_the_Lizardmen 03-17-07, 07:48 PM	Just planning a small article about what the different race eat/drink. I might even submit it to Dragon. If anybody got good idea, maybe he can tell me. Personnaly, i think it help to enhance the feeling of realism.. In was largely inspired by "Drunkard & Flagon", from Dragon 334. Anybody interrested on working on this? Orc A common misconception is that Orc eat everything. It is true that they usually devour whatever their raid and pillage bring them, but Orc do have their own food recipe. They aren't very known and most people dont believe it, but its true. Orc mainly use pig and cow, because they are animal's the tribe usually bring wherever they go. They also make intensive use of marination. Blood is also a very used ingredient. Bloody Meat A traditionnal Orc food. Its usually a barely cooked steak dipped in pig blood. This food is mostly served at the "table" of the clan leader. They simply kill a few pig and put their blood in something, usually a barrel. Orc then dip the meat in the blood. This is usually served whit beer. Orc Name: Urkh-Garsh Bloodsoaked Meat A variant of the Bloody Meat. The meat is marinated in blood then cooked. Again, this is served whit beer. Orc Name: Urkou-Garsh Feast of Victory The Feast of Victory is rarely served recipe. It is usually served when a clan leader defeat another one. The most delicious animal of the defeated clan is coated in a mixture of beer, plant and mushroom. After that its cooked a lot more then any other meat. Spice, if available, are then added. Eating this whit the clan leader is considered a great honor in Orc culture. Orc Name: Gruug-Garak The traveller A rather disgusting recipe, the traveller is a kind of food used when orc have to travel long distance whitout stopping to cook. Its alway prepared before going. It is rarely found in tribe whitouth an herborist of some sort. Its a piece of smoked meat covered in some sort of paste. The paste is made from various plant and blood. The result look like a bar of...well...****. It taste disgusting even for Orc, but it can be conserved almost for a decade!!! Goblin also learned this recipe from Orc. Its basically the same, but whit a different name. Orc Name: Nraug Goblin Name: Kriikni
Return of the Flumph 03-17-07, 07:54 PM	Sure. I'm in the process of fine-tuning my campaign world, and this is a topic I've been thinking about.
Evil DM Mk3 03-17-07, 07:56 PM	There are certain areas I in this sphere I have been worrking on as well. Would gladly help out.
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 03-17-07, 08:00 PM	Good! I guess we could make this a collaborative project. Its the first time i actually do something that might actually be rembered for a little time. Anyway, im having problem whit mechanic, but im trying to solve them... But im 100% of the background im building up. Im creating a summary of the culinary art of each race. Only human wil be left behind, since they are so diversefied.
Evil DM Mk3 03-17-07, 08:07 PM	My main focus was on dwarves, halflings and goblioids, especially Hobgoblins.
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 03-17-07, 08:11 PM	Well, i DO have some idea for primitive humanoid (orc, golbin, ogre and gnoll) But i forgot the hobgoblin...so rich in background for goblin!
Evil DM Mk3 03-17-07, 10:04 PM	I find it is best to start with what ingridents are likely to be availabe, interpret through racial mindset and alignment. You can usually find a good starting point in certain human foods and then extrapolate out. I also made some notes on etiquete (scuse spelling), do you want that too?
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 03-17-07, 10:48 PM	I find it is best to start with what ingridents are likely to be availabe, interpret through racial mindset and alignment. You can usually find a good starting point in certain human foods and then extrapolate out. I also made some notes on etiquete (scuse spelling), do you want that too? Why not. Im still reworking stuff again and again....man, this is long!
Azar_of_Faerun 03-17-07, 11:46 PM	In our world, cockatrice(version of chicken) sandwiches are the standard fare.
JulesCARV 03-18-07, 12:03 AM	I had a thread a while back called racial cuisine ideas. (http://boards1.wizards.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-671802.html) I also made some inquiries about the availability of real-world foods in D&D. (http://boards1.wizards.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-600108.html) (e.g., do potatoes exist in a pseudo-medeival-European setting?)
khyron1144 03-18-07, 01:46 AM	I kind of mentioned this elsewhere, but I regard some ideas, like a patty of ground beef cooked to a desired level of doneness and served on a sliced bread roll with onions and pickled cucumber slices, as inevitable. Naming such a thing is tricky in a world with no Hamburg, Germany or John Montague, 4th Earl of Sandwich, is the tricky part. In a humor campaign I named the inevitable tavern starting point: King of Fried Ground Beef Served Between Two Slices of Bread.
GoriceXII 03-18-07, 09:53 AM	Lizardfolk in my game use a strange marinade of various plant juices and their own saliva to make meat into a kind of jelly-like substance. Lizardfolk have a number of odd food taboos and for instance will not eat eggs unless gathered in particular seasons and from particular creatures. Unless very very hungry Lizardfolk prefer to put food through a process of preparation. Thus for instance they will eat certain edible beetles, grubs and the like but only after roasting a certain amount of time. In an early game session in my campaign my players had to attend a lizardfolk feast as part of a process of winning over their tribe into an alliance. They had to keep making con checks as they were offered choicest jellied baby birds and roast sand beetle delicacies.
Jovknee 03-18-07, 10:03 AM	Sounds a whole lot better than rations while on the road, and stew from the tavern. IT'S ALWAYS STEW! This alone would make most adventures commit suicide!
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 03-18-07, 10:17 AM	Sounds a whole lot better than rations while on the road, and stew from the tavern. IT'S ALWAYS STEW! This alone would make most adventures commit suicide! What? Your talking about my "Traveller"??? Ill probably make an "adventure ration" for each race
Evil DM Mk3 03-18-07, 10:36 AM	Dwarven food, a worked example of what I ment above about how I work things out. (Note not an article, a recorded thought process; an article would of course be structured differently) First consider the terrain available to dwarves and what ingredients that is likely to allow for. It is clear that they are going to try and be self supporting food wise, it only makes sense. There is less room on mountainsides for farming than there is on plains, so crops are likely to be chosen for yield and hardiness. Root vegetables are likely to be staple but certain types of grain are also likely to be present, as well as the more hardy cabbages and similar. For livestock creatures like goats, and possibly boars, which can live safely in these conditions, are likely. Burrowing animals are also likely to be available as are fungi, insects and lichens underground. This is useful in bulking out the verity of vegetables. What qualities are dwarves likely to look for in food? Transportability may be an issue due to the nature of many dwarven professions, no one wants to leave the gold face to eat if they can help it. Dwarves are also likely want foodstuffs that keep well due to shorter growing seasons at high altitudes and are likely to be very good at food preservation; I would expect a lot of salted smoked and pickled ingredients. If they do keep creatures such as goats we can also expect a lot of cheeses as these fulfil both the transport and keeping aspects. Also a good solid strong cheese seems right for dwarven cuisine. For other foods, I would expect things like pasties and pies with thick, hard pasty, more a transport medium than part of the food, and heavy puddings. Dense foods take up less space and I imagine that the keeping properties of things like rich fruit cakes and plum pudding (both of witch if made to traditional recipes can easily remain edible for over a year) would appeal to dwarves as they make seasonal, perishable foods available all year. For cooking methods, baking and boiling are likely to be favoured. Open fires can be very dangerous underground and making large ovens can allow you keep the danger of fire under control and use relatively little fuel compared to small private ovens. There is likely to be a difference between what dwarves eat at celebrations and day to day of course. Due to the difficulty of keeping livestock many dwarven dishes are likely to be vegetarian and most available meat will not be fresh but preserved. This will mean that the flavours may be simple but strong. This means that they are likely to go all out at special occasions, hence the fresh roast meat typically depicted. They are also likely to indulge in more delicate deserts at such occasions too. I find the idea of dwarven trifle strangely apt. This means that day to day dwarven food is likely to be more than a little salty and dry, a by-product of their preservation and ingredients. This makes ales and other beverages vital, brewing is probably the easiest and most reliable way for dwarves to deal with water quality issues, as underground water sources may not be clean. Spirits are also invaluable in the flavouring of puddings and other dishes.
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 03-18-07, 12:18 PM	Dwarven food, a worked example of what I ment above about how I work things out. (Note not an article, a recorded thought process; an article would of course be structured differently) First consider the terrain available to dwarves and what ingredients that is likely to allow for. It is clear that they are going to try and be self supporting food wise, it only makes sense. There is less room on mountainsides for farming than there is on plains, so crops are likely to be chosen for yield and hardiness. Root vegetables are likely to be staple but certain types of grain are also likely to be present, as well as the more hardy cabbages and similar. For livestock creatures like goats, and possibly boars, which can live safely in these conditions, are likely. Burrowing animals are also likely to be available as are fungi, insects and lichens underground. This is useful in bulking out the verity of vegetables. What qualities are dwarves likely to look for in food? Transportability may be an issue due to the nature of many dwarven professions, no one wants to leave the gold face to eat if they can help it. Dwarves are also likely want foodstuffs that keep well due to shorter growing seasons at high altitudes and are likely to be very good at food preservation; I would expect a lot of salted smoked and pickled ingredients. If they do keep creatures such as goats we can also expect a lot of cheeses as these fulfil both the transport and keeping aspects. Also a good solid strong cheese seems right for dwarven cuisine. For other foods, I would expect things like pasties and pies with thick, hard pasty, more a transport medium than part of the food, and heavy puddings. Dense foods take up less space and I imagine that the keeping properties of things like rich fruit cakes and plum pudding (both of witch if made to traditional recipes can easily remain edible for over a year) would appeal to dwarves as they make seasonal, perishable foods available all year. For cooking methods, baking and boiling are likely to be favoured. Open fires can be very dangerous underground and making large ovens can allow you keep the danger of fire under control and use relatively little fuel compared to small private ovens. There is likely to be a difference between what dwarves eat at celebrations and day to day of course. Due to the difficulty of keeping livestock many dwarven dishes are likely to be vegetarian and most available meat will not be fresh but preserved. This will mean that the flavours may be simple but strong. This means that they are likely to go all out at special occasions, hence the fresh roast meat typically depicted. They are also likely to indulge in more delicate deserts at such occasions too. I find the idea of dwarven trifle strangely apt. This means that day to day dwarven food is likely to be more than a little salty and dry, a by-product of their preservation and ingredients. This makes ales and other beverages vital, brewing is probably the easiest and most reliable way for dwarves to deal with water quality issues, as underground water sources may not be clean. Spirits are also invaluable in the flavouring of puddings and other dishes. I guess this make sense....but, what do you think about my Orc Food?
Evil DM Mk3 03-18-07, 12:24 PM	This is of course a differant kettle of fish. Most orcs are portrayed as raiders and as such it is far more a case of what we got=what we got. Looks good though.
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 03-18-07, 03:01 PM	This is of course a differant kettle of fish. Most orcs are portrayed as raiders and as such it is far more a case of what we got=what we got. Looks good though. Well, this is a reason i dint give them much stuff. Also, this food is the "fancy stuff" of Orc culture.
Evil DM Mk3 03-18-07, 03:04 PM	Sorry, an amusing though struck me. Dwarven cheese and ale party.
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 03-18-07, 03:08 PM	LoL! *I might reserve this space for something constructive eventually*
taradusis 03-18-07, 03:16 PM	Perhaps a dwarven hammer of meat tenderizing?
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 03-19-07, 03:56 PM	All the idea are good!
Khadmus 03-19-07, 04:06 PM	Yes, as the little Skritz fellow said, "All the idea are good!". So come on people, we need more of them. Just because I have no imagination doesn't mean that you don't!
PoorHobo 03-20-07, 03:59 AM	I think you over did it with the all the blood refrences. Thing is, Orcs are campaign specific. Sure, they all have +4 STR and what not but Eberron Orcs had a vast empire, FR Orcs, not so much. An Ebberon Orc, Might have a giant repetoire of recipies, ranging from pig and boar, to veneson, cow steak and rabbit. An FR orc, probably eats his stuff raw. If you planned on writing a semi-formal article or even sending it to Wizards I would work on making it campaign specific group rather than a broad racial group which changes from setting to setting.
WilwarinAndamar 03-20-07, 08:47 AM	Considering Halflings are nomadic, I would think that they would most likely follow herds of wild game as a main staple of food. Foraging being the second. Deer, rabbits, squirrels and other medium/small game are the most prefered. Assorted fruits/berries, nuts, roots, and leaves would also be a large part of the Halfling diet. Meat and most fruit is usually dried for the winter months but can be eaten during anytime of the year. Everything else must be eaten in season and fresh.
EffigyOfFaith 03-20-07, 09:30 AM	An Anaysis of Elven Cuisine and Agriculture Elves are typically seen as a sylvan people living close to nature. Stewardship of the forests that make their home would be important to them, along with their long lifespan giving them a much longer out look then say humans. I can also imagine that elves, especially evilly lean elves, partially due to their long life, might be given to bouts of boredom and hedonism. In this vein I see elves being particular given to arboriculture with a strong thought to of sustainability. I would expect their agriculture to consist of designed ecosystems that would have little impact on the surrounding natural habitat. Trees make excellent sources of elvish food supply, and are of added appropriateness since a planted tree produces food on a more elvish time scale. An elvish forest might consist of an upper canopy of tall nut trees, using my Midwestern soundings as an example, maybe black walnut, shagbark hickory, beach, and chestnut. Nuts are great high-energy easily stored food many are high in fat and protein. Some acorns, when blanched dried and ground produce flour that makes passable bread. They are also useful to enrich breads, puddings, and ground in to sauces. An under story of fruit trees would provide variety and much needed vitamins to the elvish diet. Choices might include peaches, apples, cherries sour and sweet, plumbs, pears, paw paws and nectarines. Fruits when dried or packed in alcohol can keep for many months and are vary tasty, used in breads, sauces, stuffings, fillings, compotes, and stews. Many of these trees have the added benefit of being valued as high quality lumber, and produce excellent flavor in the production of smoked meats. Underbrush would not doubt also be selected for it’s usefulness as food. Berries such as black berries, blue berries, raspberries, strawberries, grapes, elderberries. Along with other useful plants and seasoning and medicinal herbs would fill out the lowest level of the elvish forest. An elf’s diet would also be supplemented by the animals that would be available in its setting. Game birds, deer, elk, lamb and fish from forest streams might all find themselves on the elf table in their season. I would expect elves to make very moderate use of meat in keeping with a sustainable low impact mind set. Animal by products espically those that can be harvested at no harm to the animal such as milk, eggs, and honey would be appealing to elves. For more interest as well practicality I don’t think frail delicate elves herding cattle seem likely, but sheep, deer are possible dairy animals. Eggs could be harvested wild or nests or from specially kept birds. For variety avoid chicken. Honey is a no brainer for elves. Bountiful harvests would certainly be put away for times of want. Dried fruits and nuts keep well. Fermentation is also a popular traditional method of food preservation. Good candidates for fermentation are fruit juices. Many of the above fruits are traditionally made into fermented beverages. So fine elvish wines and fruit wines of popular dnd lore seem likely from this analysis. Elvish cheese might also fit, probably in the more delicate fresh variety like real world mozzarella, chevre, cottage, farm, and cream. Other milk product like cream, butter, buttermilk, crème fraiche, clotted cream, and yogurt might also be available. Fermented honey in the form of mead is a must. An elf meal I assume would be a most only lightly cooked so as not destroy the delicate natural flavor of its ingredients and cover them up with harsh caramelized tones. Light soups and broths, green salads, fresh fruits with cream or cheese, steamed vegetables, a small serving of lightly seared or poached meat occasionally, and a small delicate desert based on berries or honey, might make up a typical meal in a wealthy elfvish household or a feast meal in a common one. To me this diet seems dominated by sweet flavors. To balance this most wine will probably be fermented to dryness. I would except bitter herbs and greens to be used to balance out the sweetness along with some salt when available (salt was a valuable commodity back in the day. The srd lists it as the same price as silver, though gold was often the case in the real world.) Acidic fruit and vinegar might also be used to balance sweetness. Wow. Looking back that almost more of an analysis of elf agriculture then it is of their cuisine. But the two are so entwined I couldn’t do one with out the other. Evil DM Mk3 this was partically based off of your helpful treatment of dwarvish cuisine, thanks, and thanks to Skritz_the_Lizardmen for starting this intersting thread. Please forgive my rambling long windedness. As a biologist and a aspiring chef this topic is a lot of fun for me. If you guys like this, please let me know, I’d enjoy looking at some other races.
Evil DM Mk3 03-20-07, 09:36 AM	This I like, it has a good contrast with dwarves too, but a few itnerestign simialrites. Both have limited ingridients, one though enviroment and the other through a desire to have a low impact. Both have some overriding flavour trends and seem to use beviradges to counteract this.
Return of the Flumph 03-20-07, 09:44 PM	Goblinoids should be interesting.
The ShapeLess One 03-21-07, 02:50 PM	This is probably not what you are looking for, but I will shoot it anyhow. The downloads section of the website has old edition things for free. The Forgotten realms section is the first one. The books to download would be the Volo's Guide books. They recipes in them. Volo's Guide to the dalelands has it first one on page 68. Good luck with the food in your game. Check it out here!!! (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads)