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Reikei 09-02-07, 03:57 PM	Greetings to all, I was hoping I could get some help with fine-tuning a pantheon for a campaign I am making, and more specifically I am in need of help with domain placement. The pantheon is comprised of scions of both light and darkness, with names taken from the scions of FFXII, which gives 11 pairs of deities. I am hoping to get the core domains down at least, but I am having a bit of trouble placing some of them, and was hoping for opinions and general help. Here is the full list of the pantheon so far: “Scions of Light and Darkness” - Pantheon Scion of the Emperor Andrammelech, the Wroth / Deudalephon, the Benevolent Symbol: Crown of Ebon Flames / Sapphire Nimbus Portfolio: Rage, Tyranny / Nobility, Supremacy Cleric Alignments: Lawful Evil / Lawful Good Favored Weapon: Morningstar / Shortsword Domains: Scion of the Warlord Belias, the Gigas / Loghrif, the Transcendent Symbol: Red Greataxe / Teal Greatsword Portfolio: Strength, War / Strategy, Tactics Cleric Alignments: Chaotic Neutral / Lawful Neutral Favored Weapon: Greataxe / Greatsword Domains: Scion of the Merchant Chaos, the Walker of the Wheel / Mitron, the Chanceux Symbol: Wooden Wheel / Golden Coin Portfolio: Roads, Tricks / Hearth, Merchants Cleric Alignments: Neutral / Neutral Favored Weapon: Dagger / Handaxe Domains: Scion of the Noble Cuchulainn, the Impure / Nabriales, the Majestic Symbol: Withered Flower / Blue Rose Portfolio: Gluttony, Greed / Beauty, Revelry Cleric Alignments: Chaotic Evil / Chaotic Good Favored Weapon: Heavy Pick / Heavy Mace Domains: Scion of the Justicer Exodus, the Judge / Halmarut, the Arbiter Symbol: Iron Gavel / Copper Weighing Scale Portfolio: Judgment, Law / Balance, Fate Cleric Alignments: Lawful Neutral / Lawful Good Favored Weapon: Flail / Longsword Domains: Scion of the Water Bearer Famfrit, the Darkening Cloud / Emmerololth, the Holy Queen Symbol: Silhouetted Cloud / Clay Water Jug Portfolio: Weather, Rivers, Seas / Dance, Flora and Fauna, Water Cleric Alignments: Chaotic Neutral / Neutral Good Favored Weapon: Trident / Longspear Domains: Scion of the Ordainer Hashmal, the Bringer of Order / Fandaniel, the Protector Symbol: Golden Torque / Golden Round Shield Portfolio: Chivalry, Conquest, Discipline, Glory, Protection Cleric Alignments: Neutral Evil / Neutral Good Favored Weapon: Warhammer / Glaive Domains: Scion of the Harvester Mateus, the Corrupt / Lahabrea, the Celebrant Symbol: Worn Scythe / Silver Ring Portfolio: Harvest, Sheperds / Fertility, Marriage Cleric Alignments: Lawful Evil / Lawful Good Favored Weapon: Scythe / Sickle Domains: Scion of the Sentry Shemhazai, the Whisperer / Igeyorlm, the Martyr Symbol: Single Eye / Single Blackened Arrow Portfolio: Secrets, Slaughter, Vengeance / Protection, Trust, Valor Cleric Alignments: Neutral Evil / Lawful Good Favored Weapon: Greatbow / Greatspear Domains: Scion of the Sleeper Zalera, the Death Seraph / Emet-Selch, the Angel of Truth Symbol: Butterfly Wings / Feathered Wings Portfolio: Death, Magic, Underworld / Life, Magic, Truth Cleric Alignments: Chaotic Neutral / Lawful Neutral Favored Weapon: Spiked Chain / Bastard Sword Domains: Scion of the Commoner Zeromus, the Condemner / Pashtarot, the Vindicator Symbol: Blackened Moon / Luminescent Moon Portfolio: Civilization, Doom, Evil / Civilization, Good, Healing Cleric Alignments: Chaotic Evil / Chaotic Good Favored Weapon: Kukri / Kama Domains: If anyone has any thoughts on the rest of the info that could help me, such as clerical alignments, I would be most grateful.
Alexeduardo 09-02-07, 04:28 PM	WHOA!! if your player's aint gonna be battling against them you dont really need that many gods!
DMaster42 09-02-07, 04:48 PM	Why not have that many gods? FR has at least 30 deities and an overdeity. You don't fight those normally. Greyhawk had over a hundred if I'm not mistaken, which I very well could be.
Alexeduardo 09-02-07, 04:58 PM	Sorry to upset you, I'm just more into playing and running material campaigns that may as well never involve gods. (the healer class from the miniature handbook's there for that)
Talisman 09-02-07, 06:06 PM	“Scions of Light and Darkness” - Pantheon Scion of the Emperor Andrammelech, the Wroth / Deudalephon, the Benevolent Portfolio: Rage, Tyranny / Nobility, Supremacy Cleric Alignments: Lawful Evil / Lawful Good Domains: Law, Evil, Pride, Tyranny / Law, Good, Protection,Nobility Scion of the Warlord Belias, the Gigas / Loghrif, the Transcendent Portfolio: Strength, War / Strategy, Tactics Cleric Alignments: Chaotic Neutral / Lawful Neutral Domains: Chaos, Destruction, Strength, War / Law, Strength, War, Planning Scion of the Merchant Chaos, the Walker of the Wheel / Mitron, the Chanceux Portfolio: Roads, Tricks / Hearth, Merchants Cleric Alignments: Neutral / Neutral Domains: Luck, Travel, Trickery, Celerity / Protection, Craft, Trade, Wealth Scion of the Noble Cuchulainn, the Impure / Nabriales, the Majestic Portfolio: Gluttony, Greed / Beauty, Revelry Cleric Alignments: Chaotic Evil / Chaotic Good Domains: Chaos, Evil, Gluttony, Greed / Chaos, Good, Charm, Nobility Scion of the Justicer Exodus, the Judge / Halmarut, the Arbiter Portfolio: Judgment, Law / Balance, Fate Cleric Alignments: Lawful Neutral / Lawful Good Domains: Law, Strength, Fate, Inquisition / Law, Balance, Fate, Renewal Scion of the Water Bearer Famfrit, the Darkening Cloud / Emmerololth, the Holy Queen Portfolio: Weather, Rivers, Seas / Dance, Flora and Fauna, Water Cleric Alignments: Chaotic Neutral / Neutral Good Domains: Water, Ocean, Storm, Windstorm / Animal, Good, Plant, Water Scion of the Ordainer Hashmal, the Bringer of Order / Fandaniel, the Protector Portfolio: Chivalry, Conquest, Discipline, Glory, Protection Cleric Alignments: Neutral Evil / Neutral Good Domains: Strength, War, Mysticism, Tyrrany / Protection, War, Community, Glory Scion of the Harvester Mateus, the Corrupt / Lahabrea, the Celebrant Portfolio: Harvest, Sheperds / Fertility, Marriage Cleric Alignments: Lawful Evil / Lawful Good Domains: Death, Destruction, Plant, Fate / Healing, Charm, Family, Renewal Scion of the Sentry Shemhazai, the Whisperer / Igeyorlm, the Martyr Portfolio: Secrets, Slaughter, Vengeance / Protection, Trust, Valor Cleric Alignments: Neutral Evil / Lawful Good Domains: Trickery, Destruction, Oracle, Retribution / Protection, War, Courage, Glory Scion of the Sleeper Zalera, the Death Seraph / Emet-Selch, the Angel of Truth Portfolio: Death, Magic, Underworld / Life, Magic, Truth Cleric Alignments: Chaotic Neutral / Lawful Neutral Domains: Death, Magic, Dream, Illusion / Healing, Magic, Dream, Inquisition Scion of the Commoner Zeromus, the Condemner / Pashtarot, the Vindicator Portfolio: Civilization, Doom, Evil / Civilization, Good, Healing Cleric Alignments: Chaotic Evil / Chaotic Good Domains: Destruction, Evil, Community, Moon / Good, Healing, Community, Moon. My suggestions. Italicized domains are in the Spell Compendium. I figured 4 domains per deity.
Reikei 09-02-07, 07:05 PM	Talisman: Thank you very much Talisman. :D All of the domains look great where you put them, and a lot more appropriate compared to some of the lists I was thinking of. Alexeduardo: You are right in that it is a large amount of deities, but most of my players do strive ever to fight the gods. So I was trying to get an amount close to what they had for some of the pantheons in the Deities and Demigods book. It also helped that I thought to implement the scions I found in FFXII, which helped me with names and gave me a general point of reference. DMaster42: I just did a rough count using the deity list over at crystal keep and I think Grayhawk has 74 or so deities. By the same list, FR has a couple more, like 78 or so. This is just a rough estimate though. Edit: I would just like to say thank you to all who replied. :)
Rhineglade 09-02-07, 11:13 PM	Personally, I don't think you have too many deities. Most "real life" cultures developed hundreds if not thousands of gods and goddesses to help add meaning to realities of life. Having this variety in my opinion also adds a LOT of potential for future adventures and storylines. For example, if you have only one evil deity in your campaign, say the god of death, and that all evil creatures in your world pay homage to this being, it might get a bit boring after a while if every temple target is a temple to the god of death. If you have multiple deities, you can have some cross-over portfolios leading to rivalries among the clergy, religious persecution, "holy" wars, etc. Plus, in terms of the creativity aspect, I always kind of enjoyed developing lots of gods and goddesses even if many of them were never used. It was always fun for me and added a sense of realism to the game world.
Gilgalad 09-03-07, 08:09 AM	For those of us NOT familiar with FFXII, what are the scions? Can you define your terms? :D
Reikei 09-03-07, 11:26 AM	Gilgalad: "In Final Fantasy XII, the Espers are powerful beings, created by the gods themselves. However, the Espers that join your side are the scions of darkness, who had rebelled against the very gods that had created them." http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/ (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Esper_%28Final_Fantasy_XII%29) While not exactly proper in its meaning, I took the term scion to mean prophet for the general purpose it was to serve, and they were a child of a belief and meant to represent certain groups of people. In general people would dispute over which was the proper scion, such as Andrammelech or Deudalephon being the proper scion of the Emperor. Did that cover what you asked? If not, just let me know and I will try better. Rhineglade: Those are some good ideas that I will have to look into. While holy wars were something that was bound to happen given how I included the deities into my world, strangely I was ignoring the fact that there would be religious persecution and even some rivalry among clergy of the same faith. I now have several adventures just waiting to be put to paper now. :)