Sorcery and Sixguns (formerly Wild West DND: How?) [Archive] - Wizards Community

Sorcery and Sixguns (formerly Wild West DND: How?) [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
BrokenJade
04-14-07, 05:04 PM Hi every one, I have been wondering how to do a wild west flavored setting, but i just cant seem to find sutible reference material. I was thinking of geting a copy of spell slinger from fantasy flight games, but in the mean time all i got is the main core books. Now i already got the setting of the world mapped out in my head, what i am really looking for is a good reference for wild west era weapons and thinking up some sutible class modifications and the like.
I would really appreciate any help on this.
bloodtalon
04-14-07, 05:28 PM back in the early to mid 80's there was a game called BOOTHILL if you can find it it was a wild west type of d&d
they only made a couple dungeons for it i think was a bit of a flop
BrokenJade
04-14-07, 05:31 PM thanks i see if i can find a copy.
turalisj
04-14-07, 07:03 PM Ouch, I think I pulled something in my brain trying to read those three posts... :eek:
Ishmayl
04-14-07, 07:32 PM Deadlands was good, I seem to remember.
taradusis
04-15-07, 04:12 PM D20 past has some notes on "primitive"weapons that existed before modern era?Mainly you want to determine whether technology or magic is going to underlie your campaign.Consider creating a Rangers organisation similar to the texas rangers or kings Gunslingers.Remember to pay attention to slang?Which races are going to play the role of indians?I suggest scaled-down versions of the sylvan centaurs,a sort of pony centaur if you will.RANDOM THOUGHTS
Prator_the_Legendary
04-15-07, 04:24 PM Let's see... The trickiest thing is the guns, I suspect. Well, Dragon Magazine issue #60 has an article on early firearms, and I think there have been magazines since that contained the same. Let your players know the joy of masterwork rifles with +2 bullets!
Fireclave
04-15-07, 04:56 PM Guns are easy. For guns, make the following changes to your PH:
Replace "light crossbow" with "gun"
Replace "heavy crossbow" with "rifle"
Replace "hand crossbow" with "pistol"
Replace "bolt" with "bullet"

You now have guns in D&D.
cat_god
04-15-07, 07:09 PM I've thought the exact same thing.
PoorHobo
04-15-07, 10:23 PM Deadlands was good, I seem to remember.

I never played it, I have read through it. I suggest to the OP that he pick it up.

Doing everything from scratch is going to be a lot of work.
BrokenJade
04-16-07, 08:08 AM thanks for the imput guys but i think guns need to be a little more deadlier than a crossbow and the like here is what i was thinking

hold out pistol 2d4 x3
light pistol 2d6 x3
heavy pistol 2d8 x3
carbine 2d8 x3
long rifle (sniper rifle) 4d6 x4
Scatter gun 3d6/2d6* or 2d10* x3
* second range incrament
* Slolid slug round

Let me now if you think these are two powerful

Also i was thinking of just making them simple and martial weapons due the common avliability of the weapons in my setting.
taradusis
04-16-07, 02:49 PM The dmg on pg 144-146 has a weapon stats for modern guns,whats wrong with using those?
BrokenJade
04-16-07, 09:14 PM Some are okay but they really didn't float my boat.
taradusis
04-16-07, 11:23 PM There's a tendancy to overpower guns.I would focus on the cultural details of the campaign.Deciding on whether the players start in the fantasy version of Tombstone,Arizona of San Fransico,California might be important.Deciding what race will be the indians might be crucial.You might want to add Yuan-ti as a fantasy version of the chineese tong?Will there be non-human PCs?Is there a gold rush happening?Are there wagon trains?Are there stage coaches?Is there something like the American Civil War?RANDOM THOUGHTS
Fireclave
04-17-07, 02:40 AM thanks for the imput guys but i think guns need to be a little more deadlier than a crossbow and the like here is what i was thinking

hold out pistol 2d4 x3
light pistol 2d6 x3
heavy pistol 2d8 x3
carbine 2d8 x3
long rifle (sniper rifle) 4d6 x4
Scatter gun 3d6/2d6* or 2d10* x3
* second range incrament
* Slolid slug round

Let me now if you think these are two powerful

Also i was thinking of just making them simple and martial weapons due the common avliability of the weapons in my setting.
I would say yes. Definitely. Your light pistol is shooting greatswords. But I state my opinion under the assumption that you are trying to balance out these guns against standard D&D weapons.

However, the true test of whether or not they are "too powerful" depends on the assumptions surrounding your campaign. What type of proficiencies do they require? How long do they take to reload? Compared to other weapons, how common are they? Who has them? How much does your campaign setting differ from a traditional D&D setting (iow, do cowboys wield magic and do dragons tie princesses to the railroad tracks)? How common are they compared to standard issue D&D weapons? What level of technology are you looking at. How expensive will guns and ammo be? How available are they?

If your campaign assumes that fast, and very deadly, ranged combat is a fact of life, they may not be overpowered. But those assumptions should manifest in every aspect of your game world. I pity the party that goes up against a kobold warband armed with with sniper rifles.

Whatever you do, don't try to create accurate representations of RL guns in your campaign. You won't find a consensus. Every gun thread that has tried eventually went up into flames. Instead, settle on stats that make for the best combination of playablity and enjoyment of the game.
High Octane
04-17-07, 06:55 PM Look for a game called Deadlands.
Wyvern76
04-18-07, 12:54 AM You might want to check out a 3rd-party d20 game called Sidewinder. I haven't read it myself, but it got very good reviews when it came out. There are two versions: the original Sidewinder: Wild West Adventure (http://www.enworld.org/reviews.php?do=product&productid=118295) (which I think is OOP now), and Sidewinder: Recoiled (http://www.enworld.org/reviews.php?do=product&productid=118994), which is an adaptation to d20 Modern rules.

If you're talking about Western-flavored D&D, I have a PDF called "Cowboys & Dragons", downloaded from the Internet some years ago, which might interest you. If you want a copy, give me your email address and I'll send it to you.

There was another thread (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=801152) on this topic a few weeks ago, btw.

Wyvern
Thomar_of_Uointer
04-18-07, 02:56 AM Have you seen Firefly? That's a great example of mashing up flavors in a setting to get a varied and different result. I think Eberron, in some regions, is perfectly capable of conveying a Wild West feel without any necessity for guns.

Wands and swords get the point across just as well, but I can understand how they change the feel. D20 Modern guns work great, they tend to force massive damage saves, but D&D characters are so tough that mundane weapons tend not to be scary enough. You could implement D20 Modern-like massive damage rules without too many problems (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/adventuring/massaveDamageThresholdsAndResults.htm#al ternativeThresholdLevels), but this will alter the flow of combat significantly. Fighters are perfectly capable of matching the damage output of wizards, especially when the threshold is so low, but this means that nearly anyone can be felled by an unlucky roll.

I use the same gun stats from my Mario D20 project for D&D. Their usage depends on the setting, but you tend to find them in dense gnomish communities.
http://www.kobolds-keep.net/MD20Rules.pdf
BrokenJade
04-18-07, 08:16 PM Just got the sidewinder today, when i get the time i will check it out. Thanks for the tip.
Wyvern76
04-19-07, 12:25 AM Just got the sidewinder today, when i get the time i will check it out. Thanks for the tip.You're welcome. Hope you find it useful.

Wyvern
BrokenJade
04-21-07, 10:19 AM Started reading the Sidewinder and there is alot of great information it there.

Right now i started working on the terrortories that make up my setting

the Country of Amerigo is made up of 7 terrortories

Arizana:
Small in comparison to the terrortories of Brag and Santerina, Arizana makes up for this fact with its rich deposits of gold and silver. Another reason for it prominence is it boasts the countries largest Arcane College, The Tower in the city of Arcana.
It has minor influence with the rail barons due it being the only usable area between Brag And Santerina.
The poulation is mainly composed of Humans, Sylvan, and several mining camps of dwarves.

Well here is the first territory tell me what you guys think.
turalisj
04-21-07, 10:44 AM I'm thinking apache-like kobolds riding dire weasels :P
krichaiushii
04-21-07, 11:51 AM You might consider contacting the person who has been running and posting these game logs (http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=161261).

I am sure that he can be a wealth of information and advice.
BrokenJade
04-21-07, 01:51 PM Thanks for the link, this guys seems to know his stuff.

The main problems that i am experiencing are the classes and certain weapon types. Some of the classes work well with the setting but others seem some what off and the multitude of weapons in the martial group seem outof place.

My thoughts on it was to offer the players with classes that have access to martial weapon proficiences the chance to sitch them out with personal firearms proficiency. So you could still have your sword swinging warrior, or you could have you gunslinger wandering the arid landscapes of Amerigo. The only one that i would not offer this too is the barbarian they would have to wait to later levels to gain proficiency with firearms.
taradusis
04-21-07, 02:03 PM Yes,have the barbarians be too uncivilised to use firearms till they've been in contact with civilisation for awhile.Not every weapon has to be available in the local shops either.
BrokenJade
04-21-07, 02:12 PM Another problem i think are certain armors, i was just thinking of using the armors out of sidewinder. They have a good selection of armors more fitting to the setting.

That or converting the armor ac bonus to dr vs certain attacks.
taradusis
04-21-07, 02:18 PM I,personally don't like messing with the armor rules.If living in a world with guns and little effective armor bothers the PCs they may have to change their style of play.Learning to seek cover and watch out for owlhoots that are real back-shooters is part of the wild west feel.Consider giving Pcs a higher starting level?Don't know about this one,review what the msrd has to say about firearms?
BrokenJade
04-21-07, 02:26 PM the players would be starting at 4 or 5th lvl.

As the Subtitle for the games goes

Welcome to the Terrortories.
Where a man is Free.
Free to Live And Free to Die
Werral
04-23-07, 07:17 AM Also in a Wild West setting I'd imagine Initiative being one of the most important stats in Game. Combined with high damage guns and low Massive Damage numbers (say= to constitution)

How about giving some characters (Like fighters) initiative bonuses. Rather than the fighter becoming a tank, he becomes "The fastest gun in the West".

There was a legend about an Apache Chief who no bullet could touch. Native American Medicine might be the most effective protection against firearms. Rather than tribes of Native Americans, you could have whole races - Native Elves, Halflings, Gnomes, Humans, Centaurs, Gnolls. The elves could be the revionist good Native Americans while Natvie Gnolls would be like the old Western's Injuns.

Settlers could include Humans, Dwarves, Orcs, Half-Orcs, Ogres and Lycanthropes fleeing persecution in the Old Country.
Thomar_of_Uointer
04-23-07, 04:20 PM There was a legend about an Apache Chief who no bullet could touch. Native American Medicine might be the most effective protection against firearms. Rather than tribes of Native Americans, you could have whole races - Native Elves, Halflings, Gnomes, Humans, Centaurs, Gnolls. The elves could be the revionist good Native Americans while Natvie Gnolls would be like the old Western's Injuns.

*cough, protection from arrows, cough*
Werral
04-23-07, 06:32 PM *cough, protection from arrows, cough*

Protection from bullets + permanancy

Anyway for Gunfights the OA's rules for Iado Duels could work fine, just change the name to "Gunfight" swap the katana's for sixguns and it's perfect. The Pyschic Duels could work too - just change the name to "Stare down"

Think how many Westerns were remakes of samurai films: A Fistful of Dollars, The Magnificient Seven...
jeffepp
04-23-07, 07:31 PM You might look at the older editons download section here on the Wizards site. The Savage Coast / Red Steel sub-setting had a wild west feel to it. The only down side is that it is 2ed.

There was an issue of Dragon that focused on steam-punk. And there are a number of D20 source books for steam-punk. And, for those that don't know, steam-punk includes the old west, after the steam railroad.
EffigyOfFaith
04-25-07, 08:58 AM The more i think about a wild west style dnd the more I think about steven king's Dark Tower series. That series' setting/universe would be awsome for DnD. It has all the right elements.
BrokenJade
04-25-07, 10:00 PM Just finished drawing up the map of the world, i essentialy modeled it after America and most of mexico. I will post a link as soon as i get it scanned and uploaded
bloodtalon
04-26-07, 02:44 PM i was looking at RAVENLOFT and they had firearms there if you wanna use thier stats
jeffepp
04-26-07, 05:22 PM Privater Press has a free download on firearms:

http://privateerpress.com/docs/privateer_firearms.pdf
taradusis
04-27-07, 09:32 PM How about some magic items.Steal wonder womans concept and have a lasso that forces people to tell the truth?A chakra concealed in a hats brim could be thrown like the hat of ODDJOB in Goldfinger.a metallic hat brim.Spin it around your finger and throw it into the air.When it hits the ground it has stretched into a 10 ft diameter protection from evil circle.a gun belt that teleports bullets into your gun,cuts reloading times?Once per day a ten gallon hat can create 10 gallons of watera star shaped badge that provides a deflection bonus to armor.
BrokenJade
04-27-07, 11:22 PM i like them.
Eberik
04-29-07, 03:09 AM Spellslinger was a nice adaptation to a D&D wild west type, but rremade classes and feats so its not exactly like D&D.
BrokenJade
04-30-07, 10:00 PM my copy just came in yesterday, it has some good inspirational matierial, but i was disapointed in the equipment. But i did enjoy the classes and system of magic
taradusis
05-17-07, 01:10 PM They used to be an EC comic featuring ghost tales of the old west.Your characters are about the right level to face some werewolves.I ponder how difficult it would be to introduce horror elements to an old west campaign?Vampires,ghosts,ghouls,lycantho pes have all been around a while.
qstor
05-18-07, 03:55 PM One thing might be to think of Shadowrun circa 1876 and use some of the material from that game. Maybe the magical event happened in 1871 or something and now its five years later.

There was also a Steampunk issue of Dragon a while back. Maybe a steampunk version of Shadowrun set in the USA.

Mike
BrokenJade
05-24-07, 02:42 PM Its been a while, been busy with real life for the most part. Finaly got a hold of a physical copy of the Sidewinder Recoiled. Been looking though it for some inspiration.

But progress is being made, i will post my conversions on weapons and armors on monday.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
BrokenJade 04-14-07, 05:04 PM	Hi every one, I have been wondering how to do a wild west flavored setting, but i just cant seem to find sutible reference material. I was thinking of geting a copy of spell slinger from fantasy flight games, but in the mean time all i got is the main core books. Now i already got the setting of the world mapped out in my head, what i am really looking for is a good reference for wild west era weapons and thinking up some sutible class modifications and the like. I would really appreciate any help on this.
bloodtalon 04-14-07, 05:28 PM	back in the early to mid 80's there was a game called BOOTHILL if you can find it it was a wild west type of d&d they only made a couple dungeons for it i think was a bit of a flop
BrokenJade 04-14-07, 05:31 PM	thanks i see if i can find a copy.
turalisj 04-14-07, 07:03 PM	Ouch, I think I pulled something in my brain trying to read those three posts... :eek:
Ishmayl 04-14-07, 07:32 PM	Deadlands was good, I seem to remember.
taradusis 04-15-07, 04:12 PM	D20 past has some notes on "primitive"weapons that existed before modern era?Mainly you want to determine whether technology or magic is going to underlie your campaign.Consider creating a Rangers organisation similar to the texas rangers or kings Gunslingers.Remember to pay attention to slang?Which races are going to play the role of indians?I suggest scaled-down versions of the sylvan centaurs,a sort of pony centaur if you will.RANDOM THOUGHTS
Prator_the_Legendary 04-15-07, 04:24 PM	Let's see... The trickiest thing is the guns, I suspect. Well, Dragon Magazine issue #60 has an article on early firearms, and I think there have been magazines since that contained the same. Let your players know the joy of masterwork rifles with +2 bullets!
Fireclave 04-15-07, 04:56 PM	Guns are easy. For guns, make the following changes to your PH: Replace "light crossbow" with "gun" Replace "heavy crossbow" with "rifle" Replace "hand crossbow" with "pistol" Replace "bolt" with "bullet" You now have guns in D&D.
cat_god 04-15-07, 07:09 PM	I've thought the exact same thing.
PoorHobo 04-15-07, 10:23 PM	Deadlands was good, I seem to remember. I never played it, I have read through it. I suggest to the OP that he pick it up. Doing everything from scratch is going to be a lot of work.
BrokenJade 04-16-07, 08:08 AM	thanks for the imput guys but i think guns need to be a little more deadlier than a crossbow and the like here is what i was thinking hold out pistol 2d4 x3 light pistol 2d6 x3 heavy pistol 2d8 x3 carbine 2d8 x3 long rifle (sniper rifle) 4d6 x4 Scatter gun 3d6/2d6* or 2d10* x3 * second range incrament * Slolid slug round Let me now if you think these are two powerful Also i was thinking of just making them simple and martial weapons due the common avliability of the weapons in my setting.
taradusis 04-16-07, 02:49 PM	The dmg on pg 144-146 has a weapon stats for modern guns,whats wrong with using those?
BrokenJade 04-16-07, 09:14 PM	Some are okay but they really didn't float my boat.
taradusis 04-16-07, 11:23 PM	There's a tendancy to overpower guns.I would focus on the cultural details of the campaign.Deciding on whether the players start in the fantasy version of Tombstone,Arizona of San Fransico,California might be important.Deciding what race will be the indians might be crucial.You might want to add Yuan-ti as a fantasy version of the chineese tong?Will there be non-human PCs?Is there a gold rush happening?Are there wagon trains?Are there stage coaches?Is there something like the American Civil War?RANDOM THOUGHTS
Fireclave 04-17-07, 02:40 AM	thanks for the imput guys but i think guns need to be a little more deadlier than a crossbow and the like here is what i was thinking hold out pistol 2d4 x3 light pistol 2d6 x3 heavy pistol 2d8 x3 carbine 2d8 x3 long rifle (sniper rifle) 4d6 x4 Scatter gun 3d6/2d6* or 2d10* x3 * second range incrament * Slolid slug round Let me now if you think these are two powerful Also i was thinking of just making them simple and martial weapons due the common avliability of the weapons in my setting. I would say yes. Definitely. Your light pistol is shooting greatswords. But I state my opinion under the assumption that you are trying to balance out these guns against standard D&D weapons. However, the true test of whether or not they are "too powerful" depends on the assumptions surrounding your campaign. What type of proficiencies do they require? How long do they take to reload? Compared to other weapons, how common are they? Who has them? How much does your campaign setting differ from a traditional D&D setting (iow, do cowboys wield magic and do dragons tie princesses to the railroad tracks)? How common are they compared to standard issue D&D weapons? What level of technology are you looking at. How expensive will guns and ammo be? How available are they? If your campaign assumes that fast, and very deadly, ranged combat is a fact of life, they may not be overpowered. But those assumptions should manifest in every aspect of your game world. I pity the party that goes up against a kobold warband armed with with sniper rifles. Whatever you do, don't try to create accurate representations of RL guns in your campaign. You won't find a consensus. Every gun thread that has tried eventually went up into flames. Instead, settle on stats that make for the best combination of playablity and enjoyment of the game.
High Octane 04-17-07, 06:55 PM	Look for a game called Deadlands.
Wyvern76 04-18-07, 12:54 AM	You might want to check out a 3rd-party d20 game called Sidewinder. I haven't read it myself, but it got very good reviews when it came out. There are two versions: the original Sidewinder: Wild West Adventure (http://www.enworld.org/reviews.php?do=product&productid=118295) (which I think is OOP now), and Sidewinder: Recoiled (http://www.enworld.org/reviews.php?do=product&productid=118994), which is an adaptation to d20 Modern rules. If you're talking about Western-flavored D&D, I have a PDF called "Cowboys & Dragons", downloaded from the Internet some years ago, which might interest you. If you want a copy, give me your email address and I'll send it to you. There was another thread (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=801152) on this topic a few weeks ago, btw. Wyvern
Thomar_of_Uointer 04-18-07, 02:56 AM	Have you seen Firefly? That's a great example of mashing up flavors in a setting to get a varied and different result. I think Eberron, in some regions, is perfectly capable of conveying a Wild West feel without any necessity for guns. Wands and swords get the point across just as well, but I can understand how they change the feel. D20 Modern guns work great, they tend to force massive damage saves, but D&D characters are so tough that mundane weapons tend not to be scary enough. You could implement D20 Modern-like massive damage rules without too many problems (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/adventuring/massaveDamageThresholdsAndResults.htm#al ternativeThresholdLevels), but this will alter the flow of combat significantly. Fighters are perfectly capable of matching the damage output of wizards, especially when the threshold is so low, but this means that nearly anyone can be felled by an unlucky roll. I use the same gun stats from my Mario D20 project for D&D. Their usage depends on the setting, but you tend to find them in dense gnomish communities. http://www.kobolds-keep.net/MD20Rules.pdf
BrokenJade 04-18-07, 08:16 PM	Just got the sidewinder today, when i get the time i will check it out. Thanks for the tip.
Wyvern76 04-19-07, 12:25 AM	Just got the sidewinder today, when i get the time i will check it out. Thanks for the tip.You're welcome. Hope you find it useful. Wyvern
BrokenJade 04-21-07, 10:19 AM	Started reading the Sidewinder and there is alot of great information it there. Right now i started working on the terrortories that make up my setting the Country of Amerigo is made up of 7 terrortories Arizana: Small in comparison to the terrortories of Brag and Santerina, Arizana makes up for this fact with its rich deposits of gold and silver. Another reason for it prominence is it boasts the countries largest Arcane College, The Tower in the city of Arcana. It has minor influence with the rail barons due it being the only usable area between Brag And Santerina. The poulation is mainly composed of Humans, Sylvan, and several mining camps of dwarves. Well here is the first territory tell me what you guys think.
turalisj 04-21-07, 10:44 AM	I'm thinking apache-like kobolds riding dire weasels :P
krichaiushii 04-21-07, 11:51 AM	You might consider contacting the person who has been running and posting these game logs (http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=161261). I am sure that he can be a wealth of information and advice.
BrokenJade 04-21-07, 01:51 PM	Thanks for the link, this guys seems to know his stuff. The main problems that i am experiencing are the classes and certain weapon types. Some of the classes work well with the setting but others seem some what off and the multitude of weapons in the martial group seem outof place. My thoughts on it was to offer the players with classes that have access to martial weapon proficiences the chance to sitch them out with personal firearms proficiency. So you could still have your sword swinging warrior, or you could have you gunslinger wandering the arid landscapes of Amerigo. The only one that i would not offer this too is the barbarian they would have to wait to later levels to gain proficiency with firearms.
taradusis 04-21-07, 02:03 PM	Yes,have the barbarians be too uncivilised to use firearms till they've been in contact with civilisation for awhile.Not every weapon has to be available in the local shops either.
BrokenJade 04-21-07, 02:12 PM	Another problem i think are certain armors, i was just thinking of using the armors out of sidewinder. They have a good selection of armors more fitting to the setting. That or converting the armor ac bonus to dr vs certain attacks.
taradusis 04-21-07, 02:18 PM	I,personally don't like messing with the armor rules.If living in a world with guns and little effective armor bothers the PCs they may have to change their style of play.Learning to seek cover and watch out for owlhoots that are real back-shooters is part of the wild west feel.Consider giving Pcs a higher starting level?Don't know about this one,review what the msrd has to say about firearms?
BrokenJade 04-21-07, 02:26 PM	the players would be starting at 4 or 5th lvl. As the Subtitle for the games goes Welcome to the Terrortories. Where a man is Free. Free to Live And Free to Die
Werral 04-23-07, 07:17 AM	Also in a Wild West setting I'd imagine Initiative being one of the most important stats in Game. Combined with high damage guns and low Massive Damage numbers (say= to constitution) How about giving some characters (Like fighters) initiative bonuses. Rather than the fighter becoming a tank, he becomes "The fastest gun in the West". There was a legend about an Apache Chief who no bullet could touch. Native American Medicine might be the most effective protection against firearms. Rather than tribes of Native Americans, you could have whole races - Native Elves, Halflings, Gnomes, Humans, Centaurs, Gnolls. The elves could be the revionist good Native Americans while Natvie Gnolls would be like the old Western's Injuns. Settlers could include Humans, Dwarves, Orcs, Half-Orcs, Ogres and Lycanthropes fleeing persecution in the Old Country.
Thomar_of_Uointer 04-23-07, 04:20 PM	There was a legend about an Apache Chief who no bullet could touch. Native American Medicine might be the most effective protection against firearms. Rather than tribes of Native Americans, you could have whole races - Native Elves, Halflings, Gnomes, Humans, Centaurs, Gnolls. The elves could be the revionist good Native Americans while Natvie Gnolls would be like the old Western's Injuns. cough, protection from arrows, cough
Werral 04-23-07, 06:32 PM	cough, protection from arrows, cough Protection from bullets + permanancy Anyway for Gunfights the OA's rules for Iado Duels could work fine, just change the name to "Gunfight" swap the katana's for sixguns and it's perfect. The Pyschic Duels could work too - just change the name to "Stare down" Think how many Westerns were remakes of samurai films: A Fistful of Dollars, The Magnificient Seven...
jeffepp 04-23-07, 07:31 PM	You might look at the older editons download section here on the Wizards site. The Savage Coast / Red Steel sub-setting had a wild west feel to it. The only down side is that it is 2ed. There was an issue of Dragon that focused on steam-punk. And there are a number of D20 source books for steam-punk. And, for those that don't know, steam-punk includes the old west, after the steam railroad.
EffigyOfFaith 04-25-07, 08:58 AM	The more i think about a wild west style dnd the more I think about steven king's Dark Tower series. That series' setting/universe would be awsome for DnD. It has all the right elements.
BrokenJade 04-25-07, 10:00 PM	Just finished drawing up the map of the world, i essentialy modeled it after America and most of mexico. I will post a link as soon as i get it scanned and uploaded
bloodtalon 04-26-07, 02:44 PM	i was looking at RAVENLOFT and they had firearms there if you wanna use thier stats
jeffepp 04-26-07, 05:22 PM	Privater Press has a free download on firearms: http://privateerpress.com/docs/privateer_firearms.pdf
taradusis 04-27-07, 09:32 PM	How about some magic items.Steal wonder womans concept and have a lasso that forces people to tell the truth?A chakra concealed in a hats brim could be thrown like the hat of ODDJOB in Goldfinger.a metallic hat brim.Spin it around your finger and throw it into the air.When it hits the ground it has stretched into a 10 ft diameter protection from evil circle.a gun belt that teleports bullets into your gun,cuts reloading times?Once per day a ten gallon hat can create 10 gallons of watera star shaped badge that provides a deflection bonus to armor.
BrokenJade 04-27-07, 11:22 PM	i like them.
Eberik 04-29-07, 03:09 AM	Spellslinger was a nice adaptation to a D&D wild west type, but rremade classes and feats so its not exactly like D&D.
BrokenJade 04-30-07, 10:00 PM	my copy just came in yesterday, it has some good inspirational matierial, but i was disapointed in the equipment. But i did enjoy the classes and system of magic
taradusis 05-17-07, 01:10 PM	They used to be an EC comic featuring ghost tales of the old west.Your characters are about the right level to face some werewolves.I ponder how difficult it would be to introduce horror elements to an old west campaign?Vampires,ghosts,ghouls,lycantho pes have all been around a while.
qstor 05-18-07, 03:55 PM	One thing might be to think of Shadowrun circa 1876 and use some of the material from that game. Maybe the magical event happened in 1871 or something and now its five years later. There was also a Steampunk issue of Dragon a while back. Maybe a steampunk version of Shadowrun set in the USA. Mike
BrokenJade 05-24-07, 02:42 PM	Its been a while, been busy with real life for the most part. Finaly got a hold of a physical copy of the Sidewinder Recoiled. Been looking though it for some inspiration. But progress is being made, i will post my conversions on weapons and armors on monday.