1 level dip [Archive] - Wizards Community

1 level dip [Archive] - Wizards Community

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wraithstrike
03-26-08, 10:28 PM I have a drow ninja8(OA)/rogue10 NPC. I want to add one more level, but adding rogue nor ninja will give anything special. The best I have come up with so far is a level of swordsage. Does anyone else have any recommendations. I would prefer something along the lines of a stealth type character, Prc's are welcome, including 3rd edition.
herrdoktor
03-26-08, 11:03 PM beguiler could be alright if you take it early. not really that useful later, but it's still got that sneaky feel and gives you a few more options (anyway, you're prob. right in thinking swordsage. it's a very nice dip)
Jaxgaret
03-26-08, 11:22 PM Levels in Swordsage are going to benefit the character more than pretty much any other option.
BugHunter
03-26-08, 11:59 PM Taking a level in swordsage and taking maneuvers in one discipline will allow you to take up to a fifth level maneuver at first level.
herrdoktor
03-27-08, 12:16 AM Taking a level in swordsage and taking maneuvers in one discipline will allow you to take up to a fifth level maneuver at first level.

yes, but how useful will they really be at 17th level? taking it at 9th for 3rd level maneuvers instead is a pretty good idea
wraithstrike
03-27-08, 12:51 AM str 10-not really needed
dex 18-needed for attacks and AC
con 14-hopefully does not get hit to much, and applies to ninja run speed
int 14-needed for skills and init(ninja class feature)
wis-18-applies to swordsage armor if that class is taken
cha-10-dump stat

These are before any magic items are applied.

I think I will go with the swordsage, and figure out exactly how many levels of each class later, thanks.
Krusk
03-27-08, 01:08 AM grab a level of fighter or barbarian.

the extra hp, bab, and fort save will help you out, and you can get either

rage and fast movement, or a feat of your choice. Either one will greatly help out your combat potential.
herrdoktor
03-27-08, 01:25 AM grab a level of fighter or barbarian.

the extra hp, bab, and fort save will help you out, and you can get either

rage and fast movement, or a feat of your choice. Either one will greatly help out your combat potential.
barbarian if you're small is pretty decent (speed bonus (big), str bonus when raging (useful-ish)); and the con boost is really nice if you expect you'll go into close combat often (is it a TWF ninja/rogue, or a ranged one, or what?)
X0_Lt_0X
03-27-08, 01:51 AM yes, but how useful will they really be at 17th level? taking it at 9th for 3rd level maneuvers instead is a pretty good idea

This is going to be an NPC, so I don't think he'll want to put that SS level at level 9 when it would be better at level 19
wraithstrike
03-27-08, 01:52 AM barbarian if you're small is pretty decent (speed bonus (big), str bonus when raging (useful-ish)); and the con boost is really nice if you expect you'll go into close combat often (is it a TWF ninja/rogue, or a ranged one, or what?)

TWF
X0_Lt_0X
03-27-08, 01:53 AM BTW, You should probably make him level 20 and take 2 Swordsage levels so you can obtain that AC bonus.
Mad_Jack
03-27-08, 02:16 AM You might want to trade one of those ninja levels for a second level of swordsage, and get assassin's stance for an extra 2d6 sneak attack.
wraithstrike
03-27-08, 02:51 AM The ninja has full BAB, and I was trying to get +16 BAB, but it won't work without me taking 10 levels of ninja, and I don't need that many so I will have to look at some of the recommendations on this page to see what I can come up with.

The Barbarian thing might work since my drow is from the jungles of Xendrik, and it would also give me a speed boost. I will have to look into that.
herrdoktor
03-27-08, 02:57 AM This is going to be an NPC, so I don't think he'll want to put that SS level at level 9 when it would be better at level 19

oops, my bad, thought it was a pc

You might want to trade one of those ninja levels for a second level of swordsage, and get assassin's stance for an extra 2d6 sneak attack.
he can easily do that with 1 level of swordsage (just take another shadow hand type as one of the 6 maneuvers)

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wraithstrike 03-26-08, 10:28 PM	I have a drow ninja8(OA)/rogue10 NPC. I want to add one more level, but adding rogue nor ninja will give anything special. The best I have come up with so far is a level of swordsage. Does anyone else have any recommendations. I would prefer something along the lines of a stealth type character, Prc's are welcome, including 3rd edition.
herrdoktor 03-26-08, 11:03 PM	beguiler could be alright if you take it early. not really that useful later, but it's still got that sneaky feel and gives you a few more options (anyway, you're prob. right in thinking swordsage. it's a very nice dip)
Jaxgaret 03-26-08, 11:22 PM	Levels in Swordsage are going to benefit the character more than pretty much any other option.
BugHunter 03-26-08, 11:59 PM	Taking a level in swordsage and taking maneuvers in one discipline will allow you to take up to a fifth level maneuver at first level.
herrdoktor 03-27-08, 12:16 AM	Taking a level in swordsage and taking maneuvers in one discipline will allow you to take up to a fifth level maneuver at first level. yes, but how useful will they really be at 17th level? taking it at 9th for 3rd level maneuvers instead is a pretty good idea
wraithstrike 03-27-08, 12:51 AM	str 10-not really needed dex 18-needed for attacks and AC con 14-hopefully does not get hit to much, and applies to ninja run speed int 14-needed for skills and init(ninja class feature) wis-18-applies to swordsage armor if that class is taken cha-10-dump stat These are before any magic items are applied. I think I will go with the swordsage, and figure out exactly how many levels of each class later, thanks.
Krusk 03-27-08, 01:08 AM	grab a level of fighter or barbarian. the extra hp, bab, and fort save will help you out, and you can get either rage and fast movement, or a feat of your choice. Either one will greatly help out your combat potential.
herrdoktor 03-27-08, 01:25 AM	grab a level of fighter or barbarian. the extra hp, bab, and fort save will help you out, and you can get either rage and fast movement, or a feat of your choice. Either one will greatly help out your combat potential. barbarian if you're small is pretty decent (speed bonus (big), str bonus when raging (useful-ish)); and the con boost is really nice if you expect you'll go into close combat often (is it a TWF ninja/rogue, or a ranged one, or what?)
X0_Lt_0X 03-27-08, 01:51 AM	yes, but how useful will they really be at 17th level? taking it at 9th for 3rd level maneuvers instead is a pretty good idea This is going to be an NPC, so I don't think he'll want to put that SS level at level 9 when it would be better at level 19
wraithstrike 03-27-08, 01:52 AM	barbarian if you're small is pretty decent (speed bonus (big), str bonus when raging (useful-ish)); and the con boost is really nice if you expect you'll go into close combat often (is it a TWF ninja/rogue, or a ranged one, or what?) TWF
X0_Lt_0X 03-27-08, 01:53 AM	BTW, You should probably make him level 20 and take 2 Swordsage levels so you can obtain that AC bonus.
Mad_Jack 03-27-08, 02:16 AM	You might want to trade one of those ninja levels for a second level of swordsage, and get assassin's stance for an extra 2d6 sneak attack.
wraithstrike 03-27-08, 02:51 AM	The ninja has full BAB, and I was trying to get +16 BAB, but it won't work without me taking 10 levels of ninja, and I don't need that many so I will have to look at some of the recommendations on this page to see what I can come up with. The Barbarian thing might work since my drow is from the jungles of Xendrik, and it would also give me a speed boost. I will have to look into that.
herrdoktor 03-27-08, 02:57 AM	This is going to be an NPC, so I don't think he'll want to put that SS level at level 9 when it would be better at level 19 oops, my bad, thought it was a pc You might want to trade one of those ninja levels for a second level of swordsage, and get assassin's stance for an extra 2d6 sneak attack. he can easily do that with 1 level of swordsage (just take another shadow hand type as one of the 6 maneuvers)