2 Q about the druidic shapeshift variant [Archive] - Wizards Community

2 Q about the druidic shapeshift variant [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Efim
12-29-07, 10:53 AM Hey all.

there are issues i need help with.

I am playing a druid with the shapeshift variant from the PH2

Now- i play a halfling --a small creature-- however i also have a spell named wild runner from the spell compandium that changes me into a centaur allowing me to retain all my abilities, cast spells etc.

Now: Q1 say i am in a centaur form (large creature) and i use a swift action to change into a forest avanger (which changes my size by one category up) do i become huge (large to huge) or medium (small as a halfling to medium)

Q 2: no matter in what size i start- do i get any size bonuses and penalties from becoming bigger- or do i simply get the mentioned str /natural armor/reach bonuses (from the shapeshift itself) without any other benefits and drawbacks?

thanks all
DiceGolem
12-29-07, 01:15 PM A1: Actually, neither.

Even in Forest Avenger form you're still a viable target for your Wild Runner effect. "While under the effect of the spell..." is the key line here, meaning that even if your base form is altered by the shapeshifting, you still end up a Large Centaur.

It's easiest to think of the shapeshift changing your halfling form first, then applying the Wild Runner spell. You keep the slam attack, saves/natural armor bonus, and DR, but your speed is overridden by Wild Runner (thankfully). Your Str/Dex/Con are set by Wild Runner, though, meaning that huge boost to Strength from your Forest Avenger form is lost.

A2: Here (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/movementPositionAndDistance.htm#bigandLi ttleCreaturesInCombat) is the table for what size gives you what bonuses and penalties.

Hope that helps!
LoneFlame
12-29-07, 01:21 PM Whenever you use the Shapeshift ability, any size adjustments are based off of your original/base form, not any other forms you pick up(such as with a spell or some sort of racial ability).
Efim
12-30-07, 09:40 AM Seems the two version contradict one another. i would love to hear more opinions

Efim
Talisman
12-30-07, 10:39 AM Your Str/Dex/Con are set by Wild Runner, though, meaning that huge boost to Strength from your Forest Avenger form is lost.

Actually, the bonus from Forest Avenger form is an enhancement bonus, while the wild runner spell literally resets your base stats. By the RAW, they stack. Wild runner alters your stats, while forest avenger form (indeed, any of the shapeshifter forms) gives you a bonus on top of whatever your Strength happens to be at the moment.
DiceGolem
01-01-08, 09:06 AM Actually, the bonus from Forest Avenger form is an enhancement bonus, while the wild runner spell literally resets your base stats. By the RAW, they stack. Wild runner alters your stats, while forest avenger form (indeed, any of the shapeshifter forms) gives you a bonus on top of whatever your Strength happens to be at the moment.

Ow wow, I must have skipped right over that. Thanks!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Efim 12-29-07, 10:53 AM	Hey all. there are issues i need help with. I am playing a druid with the shapeshift variant from the PH2 Now- i play a halfling --a small creature-- however i also have a spell named wild runner from the spell compandium that changes me into a centaur allowing me to retain all my abilities, cast spells etc. Now: Q1 say i am in a centaur form (large creature) and i use a swift action to change into a forest avanger (which changes my size by one category up) do i become huge (large to huge) or medium (small as a halfling to medium) Q 2: no matter in what size i start- do i get any size bonuses and penalties from becoming bigger- or do i simply get the mentioned str /natural armor/reach bonuses (from the shapeshift itself) without any other benefits and drawbacks? thanks all
DiceGolem 12-29-07, 01:15 PM	A1: Actually, neither. Even in Forest Avenger form you're still a viable target for your Wild Runner effect. "While under the effect of the spell..." is the key line here, meaning that even if your base form is altered by the shapeshifting, you still end up a Large Centaur. It's easiest to think of the shapeshift changing your halfling form first, then applying the Wild Runner spell. You keep the slam attack, saves/natural armor bonus, and DR, but your speed is overridden by Wild Runner (thankfully). Your Str/Dex/Con are set by Wild Runner, though, meaning that huge boost to Strength from your Forest Avenger form is lost. A2: Here (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/movementPositionAndDistance.htm#bigandLi ttleCreaturesInCombat) is the table for what size gives you what bonuses and penalties. Hope that helps!
LoneFlame 12-29-07, 01:21 PM	Whenever you use the Shapeshift ability, any size adjustments are based off of your original/base form, not any other forms you pick up(such as with a spell or some sort of racial ability).
Efim 12-30-07, 09:40 AM	Seems the two version contradict one another. i would love to hear more opinions Efim
Talisman 12-30-07, 10:39 AM	Your Str/Dex/Con are set by Wild Runner, though, meaning that huge boost to Strength from your Forest Avenger form is lost. Actually, the bonus from Forest Avenger form is an enhancement bonus, while the wild runner spell literally resets your base stats. By the RAW, they stack. Wild runner alters your stats, while forest avenger form (indeed, any of the shapeshifter forms) gives you a bonus on top of whatever your Strength happens to be at the moment.
DiceGolem 01-01-08, 09:06 AM	Actually, the bonus from Forest Avenger form is an enhancement bonus, while the wild runner spell literally resets your base stats. By the RAW, they stack. Wild runner alters your stats, while forest avenger form (indeed, any of the shapeshifter forms) gives you a bonus on top of whatever your Strength happens to be at the moment. Ow wow, I must have skipped right over that. Thanks!