? about "+1 to existing class" [Archive] - Wizards Community

? about "+1 to existing class" [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Mystendanian
08-05-06, 01:20 PM I am starting a campaign where I get to make a 4th level character to start. I have been thinking about taking a level of Rogue at 1st level, then a level of wizard at the second level. At 3 and 4 I am going to take 2 levels of Human Paragon from the Unearthed Arcana book. The 2nd level of Human Paragon gives +1 of existing class, which I would take as a wizard. I am unclear, however, what exactly that would give me? Would I take all the stuff from a lvl 2 wizard and just add the stuff from the human paragon?

Also, what happens when I gain another level and chose wizard? Do I then take the 3rd lvl wizard stuff, or what?

Thanks,

Myst
Deper
08-05-06, 01:29 PM It specifically says that the "+1 existing class" is in regards to your spells per day. If you no spellcasting classes, you do not gain that ability. Meanwhile, a Wizard 1/ Human Paragon 2 will cast spells as a Second Level Wizard. You gain no other benefits from the wizard class, such as skills, increase towards bonus feats or improving your familiar, extra hit dice, bab or saves.

If you then become a Wizard 2/Human Paragon 2, you cast your spells as a third level wizard. But when you are looking at the wizard class to determine when you will get your bonus feats (or to determine bab, saves, or familiar bonuses) you are only considered a second level wizard.

Does that make it clearer?
Xavon_Wrentaile
08-05-06, 01:34 PM Stupid table, it should say "+1 level of existing spell casting class".

The text reads as the boiler plate for that. You pick a spellcasting class, and you gain increased spells known, spells per day, and caster level of that class. All other functions of the class do not improve, including (but not limited to) Base Attack Bonus, saving throws, Hit Dice, skill points, and any other class features (i.e. wizard's bonus metamagic feats, cleric's turn undead).
Mystendanian
08-05-06, 01:46 PM so, bonus spells based upon high INT would also increase then, right?
Xavon_Wrentaile
08-05-06, 02:46 PM so, bonus spells based upon high INT would also increase then, right?

If you mean that you gain a new spell level, would you gain the bonus Int spells; then yes.

If you mean what I think you mean, then no, you only get bonu spells once, the first time you gain a spell of that level.

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Mystendanian 08-05-06, 01:20 PM	I am starting a campaign where I get to make a 4th level character to start. I have been thinking about taking a level of Rogue at 1st level, then a level of wizard at the second level. At 3 and 4 I am going to take 2 levels of Human Paragon from the Unearthed Arcana book. The 2nd level of Human Paragon gives +1 of existing class, which I would take as a wizard. I am unclear, however, what exactly that would give me? Would I take all the stuff from a lvl 2 wizard and just add the stuff from the human paragon? Also, what happens when I gain another level and chose wizard? Do I then take the 3rd lvl wizard stuff, or what? Thanks, Myst
Deper 08-05-06, 01:29 PM	It specifically says that the "+1 existing class" is in regards to your spells per day. If you no spellcasting classes, you do not gain that ability. Meanwhile, a Wizard 1/ Human Paragon 2 will cast spells as a Second Level Wizard. You gain no other benefits from the wizard class, such as skills, increase towards bonus feats or improving your familiar, extra hit dice, bab or saves. If you then become a Wizard 2/Human Paragon 2, you cast your spells as a third level wizard. But when you are looking at the wizard class to determine when you will get your bonus feats (or to determine bab, saves, or familiar bonuses) you are only considered a second level wizard. Does that make it clearer?
Xavon_Wrentaile 08-05-06, 01:34 PM	Stupid table, it should say "+1 level of existing spell casting class". The text reads as the boiler plate for that. You pick a spellcasting class, and you gain increased spells known, spells per day, and caster level of that class. All other functions of the class do not improve, including (but not limited to) Base Attack Bonus, saving throws, Hit Dice, skill points, and any other class features (i.e. wizard's bonus metamagic feats, cleric's turn undead).
Mystendanian 08-05-06, 01:46 PM	so, bonus spells based upon high INT would also increase then, right?
Xavon_Wrentaile 08-05-06, 02:46 PM	so, bonus spells based upon high INT would also increase then, right? If you mean that you gain a new spell level, would you gain the bonus Int spells; then yes. If you mean what I think you mean, then no, you only get bonu spells once, the first time you gain a spell of that level.