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reese 03-28-05, 11:40 PM	I realize that this may seem incredibly overpowered but i though i was justified by making the requirements so high. Even then this may jusy be a really fun prestige class for DM's only. I've left the race at elf for now but the more i look at it the more it seems unfair to limit it only to elves. I could just rename the elven court sword into a war sword and leave it at an exotic weapon. I've been working on this for about a month but there are still plenty of bugs to be worked out :rolleyes: for this i am sorry. Just take a look and comment freely. Any questions about anything please ask them here or try me at epic_ranger30@hotmail.com. BLADESINGER Great warriors and swordmasters are the bladesingers. Few can conquer them and no one ever has. These warriors must be born and raised for this as there is no other way to gain access to this path. A bladesinger singing his song of death is a sight to behold and a nigh unstoppable enemy. The only way to access this class is Fighter 4/Bard 2 character with all the requirements. HD- d8 REQUIREMENTS: Race: Elf Base Attack Bonus: +5 Skill Ranks: Perform (dance) 4, Perform (sing) 4, Balance 4, Tumble 4, Jump 6, Craft (weaponsmithing) 6, Diplomacy 4, Bluff 4, Knowledge (history) 4 Feats: Expertise, Combat Reflexes, Dodge, Mobility, Racial Weapon Proficiency (Elf), Weapon Focus (elven court sword), Weapon Finesse (elven court sword) Attributes: Dexterity 16, Constitution 12, Intelligence 14, Charisma 14 Special: Bardic Music ability CLASS SKILLS Balance, Bluff, Craft, Diplomacy, Jump, Knowledge (history), Listen, Perform, Tumble Skill Points at Each Level: 4 + Int modifier The Bladesinger Level Base Attack Fort Ref Will Special Spells Per Day 1 +1 +0 +1 +1 Bladesong (+2), Perform (bladesong) 2 +2 +0 +2 +2 Elegant Defense 3 +3 +1 +3 +3 Song of Sharpening 4 +4 +1 +4 +4 Passing Cut 1 level of bard 5 +5 +2 +5 +5 Warrior Bladesong (+4), Song of Celerity 6 +6 +2 +6 +6 Spiral Cut 7 +7 +3 +7 +7 Twin Song 8 +8 +3 +8 +8 Elegant Strike 1 level of bard 9 +9 +4 +9 +9 Song of Shielding 10 +10 +4 +10 +10 Master Bladesong (+6), Perfect Cut 11 +11 +5 +11 +11 Perfect Song 12 +12 +5 +12 +12 Elegant Parry 1 level of bard CLASS FEATURES Weapon and Armor Proficiency: Bladesingers gain no extra weapon or armor proficiencies. Spells per Day: Starting at 4th level and every four levels afterwards the bladesinger gains an additional level of bard spells. Bladesong: Training in the song and dance of the bladesong allows a user another outlet for his bardic music ability, the bladesong. Add your bladesinger levels to your bard levels to find out how many bardic music uses you have each day. To use the bladesong expends two uses of bardic music per day. The user can activate the bladesong as many times as he has bardic music uses (so a 2nd level bard/ 4th level bladesinger will have 3 uses of the bladesong per day. To activate the bladesong the user must have at least 8 ranks in Perform (bladesong). The bladesong can only be used when the user is wearing light or no armor and carrying less than a medium load and when wielding a court sword. At 1st level the bladesong gives the user a +2 bonus that can be allocated to the users attack bonus, damage, or AC for the length of the song. The option is picked at the beginning of the song and cannot be changed. The user cannot have more than one bladesong going at one time until higher levels. The song lasts for 2 rounds + 1 per Constitution modifier. (Minimum of three rounds at first level). The bladesinger becomes fatigued after using the bladesong for the next three rounds or until the encounter ends. Perform (bladesong): At 1st level the user combines his ranks in Perform (dance) and Perform (sing) into the single art of the bladesong. Bladesinger abilities are tied directly with the user’s ranks in Perform (bladesong). Perform (dance and sing) are still purchased rank by rank as normal when your character advances and are only counted together for use of Bladesinger abilities. Elegant Defense: At 2nd level the bladesinger can add his Intelligence bonus to his armor Class as long as he is wearing light or no armor and carrying less than a medium load. Song of Sharpening: At 3rd level when the user activates a bladesong and has at least 12 ranks in Perform (bladesong) they can in addition to the bonus to attack bonus, damage and AC, the users court sword increases it’s critical range is adjusted as if the user had the appropriate Improved Critical feat. This only applies for the duration of the song. If the user already has the Improved Critical (court sword) feat the bonus stacks but again only during the song. Passing Cut: At 4th level the user is treated as having the Spring Attack feat. Warrior Bladesong: At 5th level your bladesong bonus increases to +4 and the length goes to 2 rounds + 1 per Constitution modifier + 1 per Intelligence modifier. Song of Celerity: At 5th level when the user activates a bladesong and has at least 16 ranks in Perform (bladesong) they can in addition to the bonus to attack bonus, damage and AC, the user gains +10 feet/per four bladesinger levels (+10 at 5th, +20 at 8th, +30 at 12th) to their speed for the duration of the bladesong. Spiral Cut: At 6th level the user is treated as having the Whirlwind Attack feat. Twin Song: At 7th level if the user has at least 20 ranks in Perform (bladesong) the user can now hold two simultaneous bladesongs at the same time. Each song costs a use of but you can’t apply bonuses to the same thing in each song. (No +8 bonuses to damage, +4 from one song and +4 from the other.) Elegant Strike: At 8th level the bladesinger can add his Dexterity bonus to his damage. Song of Shielding: At 9th level when the user activates his bladesong and has at least 24 ranks in Perform (bladesong) he gains 25% cover and the Deflect Arrows feat in any round he does not attack during the duration of his bladesong. This ability only works during a bladesong. Master Bladesong: At 10th level your bladesong bonus increases to +6 and the length goes to 2 rounds + 1 per Constitution modifier + 1 per Intelligence modifier + 1 per Strength modifier. Perfect Cut: At 10th level the user is treated as having the Great Cleave feat. Perfect Song: At 11th level the user is no longer fatigued after using the bladesong. Elegant Parry: At 12th level the bladesinger can make an attack of opportunity against any foe who tries to hit him in melee while he is fighting defensively. Sorry for the graph, made it in Excell then transfered to Word and then here.
Vahenir 03-29-05, 12:31 AM	Just curious - what do you have against the Bladesinger from Races of Faerun? That one's balanced. ;)
scwolf 03-29-05, 12:42 AM	Just curious - what do you have against the Bladesinger from Races of Faerun? I was going to make a comment that since the title of the thread was "A Bladesinger for all races" that the original poster didn't like that it was an Elf only PrC, but then I saw that the original poster included "Race: Elf:" as a requirement. What's up with that? [Edit: I just saw the explanation, but still, if you want to drop the race requirement, just drop the thing. Don't be wishy-washy about it.]
flxbraden 03-29-05, 08:41 AM	You dont know the history of the bladesong do you... it has nothing to do with bardic music... its the mix of magic and swordplay.. the reason it is call the bladesong and the user the bladesinger.. as the bladesinger fights he hums and swings his sword fast enough to make it whistle at least thats the 2 edit reasoning. the reason it was only an elf class because it takes a life time to learn the style. it was started because of the elves love for both magic and sword play only the best of the best could master it. I dont remember all of it but to watch a master bladesinger in combat was amazing.. it looks more like a dance than a real fight as they apear to lazly block and strike and mix spells. My point its all about the mix of magic and sword play..... :)
reese 03-29-05, 10:50 AM	First, I don't have anything on Faerun and i didn't even think to look... Second, about dropping the race requirement, read flxbraden's peice below yours... it does make sense that only elves have the lifespan to learn the bladesong... Thirdly, this was just an idea, because i never liked having to balance spells with swordplay it was just to time consuming. Don't get me wrong it was great fun, there's nothing like dropping a fireball on somebody and then finishing them off with a thrust to the heart with the same character. But look at the word bladesinger... Blade= sword, singer= spells? If you are a "bladesinger" I think your music should have an impact on your swordplay, not spells. This class was thought up in an attempt to create a really cool swordfighting prestige class using a sword like the elf warriors in LORTT. I'd always thought the idea of the bladesinger in CW was a little strange, perfectly all right just not my thing. Then Races of the Wilds came out with stats for the Elven Court Sword, and the Champion of Corellon prestige class (elven swordsman capable in fighting with heavier armor) and so i mixed some of the Champion sword tricks with my idea of the Bladesong and a few homebrewed ways to use it. By the way the AL restrictment on the class would be CG for right now.
Manyfist 03-29-05, 12:37 PM	Elan and Warforged Have Longer Lifespans than all the Elves combined. I do belive that Warforged is Immortal(age wise), but why not have Elves, Elan, Warforged as Req.? Long lived is nothing, it's tradition Elves developed how to make the Bladesinger, and kept it to them selves. They made it so that only one with the correct racial idenity could ever get it. If you want a Bladesinger for All races you really haven't looked at the SpellSword.
reese 03-29-05, 01:33 PM	my only problem with the spellsword is that it mixes swordplay and direct magic usage together which is what i am trying to avoid. I wanted this class to focus more on combat than magic. the using elan and warforged as well makes sense but neither of them have the same sense of style that the elves do. Not saying they couldn't learn it or master it, i was considering dropping the race requirement to allow any race (a storm giant bladesinger would rock!) to partake in this class and re-naming the elven court sword a "war sword" leaving it an exotic weapon which requires the feat spot for Racial Weapon Proficiency. :) As i said before this class is pretty cool to me and it seems unfair to limit it to only elves. Ad if anyone reading this thread has any questions on technical details or ideas on how to implement this class please chime in. (As well as if you like it and understand where i'm coming from with this...)
flxbraden 03-29-05, 02:27 PM	my first character was a bladesinger in 2nd edit...(ad&d)... i converted him... the bladesinger class was in the complete elf i think that was the name of the book. like i said its a 2nd edit book... you should look it up and read about the bladesong style... i fell in love with it and have played it ever since.. also when i first started it could be learned with any weapon but most used the longsword to learn the bladesong you had to make it in to the school and each weapon had its own tatoo.... if you want to mix swordplay and magic with more swordplay than magic try duelist and just alternate between duelist and wizard (or which ever spellcaster you like) the duelist gets the bonus to ac like a bladesinger, they cant wear armour but they get bonus to initiative, extra damage.. alot of good stuff that stacks really well if you want to cast some spells. the duelist is in the 3.5 dmg check it out... as for not far only for elf paladins are only supposed to be human.....
RogerWilco 03-29-05, 02:54 PM	This is from the Complete book of Elves TSR 2127 I don't know if this is against the CoC, but I think it's relevant in the light of this post. Bladesong Fighting Style Dedicated elf warriors take their craft seriously enough to have created a uniquely elven fighting style. Unlike the martial arts of other races, the elven fighting style, also known as the bladesong, emphasizes beauty and economy of movement over sheer destructive power. However, the elven bladesong is deceptively dangerous, for all its seeming gentleness and apparent grace. There are two types of bladesingers: those who learn it as an additional skill (described below), and those who have made it their lives. Those in this second category are known as Bladesingers, and they are described in Chapter Ten. Bladesong is so named for several reasons. The first and most obvious is because of the whistling of the blade as it slices through the air when this style of fighting is used. The second is for the haunting, wordless tune many of its practitioners sing as they fight. Those who practice the bladesong appear as if they are dancing when they fight. Their movements seem misleadingly slow and elegant, deflecting opponents' blades while lazily drifting back to score hits themselves. The technique requires, above all, misdirection and subtlety. The bladesingers do not believe in smashing blows or strong and crushing offense, but rather in guiding their opponents to anticipate a different attack entirely, thus overbalancing the foe and making him seem clumsy. Bladesinging can be done with any Small- or Medium-sized melee weapon, although the majority of practitioners practice their art with the sword. Due to the awkwardness of polearms and two-handed weapons, there are no known students of bladesinging proficient in these weapons. To take advantage of the bladesinging technical benefits, the character (who must be a member of the warrior, priest, rogue, or warrior/mage classes) must devote at least two weapon proficiency slots to the style. Otherwise, the character can gain no benefits from the technique. This cost does not include the initial slot devoted to learning rudimentary use of the weapon, so the total cost is three weapon slots. Obviously, rogues and priests cannot pick up this technique until they reach the 4th level or higher, since they start out with only two weapon proficiency slots and don't acquire a third until having progressed in levels. (As noted above, mages cannot learn this style at all.) Even if rogues and priests devote all their initial slots to a weapon and the first half of the bladesong proficiency, they must take a significant amount of time away from adventuring to learn the second half. Unless their companions are remarkably understanding and willing to wait some years, this could cause party friction. Thus, the style is usually practiced only by warriors and warrior/mages. Please note: Elves never teach this style to non-elves, including half-elves and drow (the latter of whom have their own teachers and their own style anyway). Elves make no exceptions to this rule, even for those who have proven themselves eternal friends to the elves or even those who have married into the elven life. Elves have several reasons for not doing so. The first is that this style could be a terrible weapon against the elves should any non-elf students choose to use it that way. Though they may trust someone with their lives, the teaching of the bladesong is most definitely a racial secret—a secret that will not be revealed even under pain of death. The only conceivable way for a non-elf to gain this knowledge is by using powerful magicks to force it from a practitioner. In such a case, elves would swear the blood oath and doggedly hunt the thief until he or she is destroyed. They would not hesitate to use every trick at their command. The second is that there are so few teachers of bladesinging that they have no desire to devote the time required to any other than elves. Although this is biased against non-elves, bladesinging masters are adamant about not teaching any other than elves. While a few other creatures might have the grace necessary for the intricacies of the bladesong, they certainly do not have the judgment and discernment most elves possess. Finally, and most compellingly, few other beings have the time necessary to properly learn bladesinging. In the years it takes to master even the rudiments of the bladesong, a human could raise a family, build a successful business, and retire a wealthy man. There are numerous other ways to become a fierce fighter, all of which demand less time than learning the bladesong. Even most elves are not willing to take the time necessary to learn this technique. Only the most fiercely devoted will spend the decades required for this fighting style. Advantages Although the cost is rather steep to learn bladesinging, its practitioners swear by it. Its wide versatility often astounds those who are not familiar with its intricacies. The things even an amateur bladesinger can do with one blade echo tricks that accomplished warriors can do with two, or with a weapon and shield. Those elves willing to devote two slots to learning the rudiments of bladesinging gain the use of the following benefits: 1. They may gain a +1 bonus to their AC or, if they wish to spend an extra slot, may boost this bonus to +2 to their AC. That is the highest bonus those who choose blade-singing as an additional skill can attain. or 2. They may gain a +1 to hit or, if they wish to spend an extra slot, may boost this to a +2 to attack. As with the AC bonus, +2 is the best they can hope for. or 3. They may attack and parry in that same round, without wasting any additional attacks. Note that these three benefits are not cumulative; that is, practitioners cannot use all three at once. However, they do have the option of varying between these three options during the course of a combat. EXAMPLE: Amaranth Silversword, a 6th-level fighter fully proficient in the bladesinging weapon style with three slots, encounters a band of 20 orcs while he is walking well ahead of his party. He immediately shifts into a defensive posture, giving himself a +2 bonus to his AC so that he may gauge the orc band's capability. When they fail to hurt him appreciably in the first exchange of attacks, Amaranth places his back to a tree so that fewer of them can approach. He shifts to a slightly offensive stance, going with one attack and one parry. He dispatches an orc, and the rest still have failed to harm him severely. Now that he has fully learned their measure, he goes totally on the offensive and whirls through their midst with deadly capability. When the rest of his party finally catches up with him, hurried by the sound of clashing blades, they find Amaranth standing atop several dead orc bodies, calling elaborate and inventive insults after those who have fled. Disadvantages The most obvious disadvantage to acquiring the bladesinging weapon style is that a character cannot carry a shield and practice the style at the same time. This technique requires far too much concentration on movement and flow, and the shield gets in the way of the grace and balance necessary to successfully use the style. A more esoteric disadvantage is that this style is most often used by loners—solitary individuals who have no desire to be part of a group. Rarely, this technique may be practiced by someone whose companions will part company with the PC for a decade. Since bladesinging is a very demanding style, the training is intense, difficult, and, above all, long. Therefore, a PC would be well advised to study this style in his or her early years before joining up with a group of adventurers—or else develop some long-lived and understanding friends. BLADESINGER Of the roving elves, there are few as deadly as the Bladesinger. They are masters of their weapons and have spent their lives in the study of their chosen weapons. They have also learned to cast spells while engaged in combat, and thus they double their might. To be a Bladesinger, a character needs at least a 13 Strength and Constitution, as well as a 15 Dexterity and Intelligence. Role. While some characters may stay at home to defend the elven way, Bladesingers go out and actively promote it. They do this by seeking out their race's foes and eliminating them, either through words or actions. Acting as both diplomats and one-elf armies, they insure the safety of the elf race. * Secondary Skills. Hunter, Trader/Barterer, Trapper/Furrier. * Weapon Proficiencies. Bonus: None. Recommended: One-weapon style for use in combat and spells; two-handed style for use when spells run out. * Bonus Nonweapon Proficiencies. Blind-Fighting, Dancing. * Recommended Nonweapon Proficiencies. Etiquette, Juggling, Singing, Tumbling, Weaponsmithing. * Equipment. The Bladesinger is always identifiable by his weapon of choice. Such an item is always ornate and beautiful, enhancing the Bladesinger's appearance in battle. * Distinctive Appearance. Not only are they easily identifiable by their weapon of choice and catlike grace, Bladesingers are decorated with their weapon guild's distinctive tattoo. Each guild has a separate and unique tattoo depicting its style of weapon through an animal representation. Long swords are often represented by great cats such as lions or panthers, a whip would be shown as a striking snake, and so forth. Special Benefits. There are four special benefits to the Bladesinger kit, as follows: 1. The Bladesinger chooses one weapon and practices with it extensively, to the exclusion of most other weapons. If practice makes perfect, the Bladesingers are very well practiced in their weapon of choice—for they are virtually perfect. The poised steps of the bladesong (the act of attack by a Bladesinger) not only reveals the Bladesinger to be a creature of beauty even during battle, but the steps also carry him into advantageous positions for either offense or defense. He can instinctively grasp the flow of the battle around him, and his feet will carry him through the intricate maneuvers necessary to optimize his attack. Such is the intensive training of the Bladesinger that he gains an automatic +1 to attack rolls as well as a +1 for damage. This is in addition to the normal elven +1 for use of the long or short sword (if applicable). Despite any additional, further training, this is as high as the bonus can be. 2. Bladesingers receive a special bonus when they wish to try an unusual maneuver with their blade. This bonus is equal to +1 for every four levels the Bladesinger has attained. The bonus only serves to cancel the penalties normally applied for such a maneuver. All other penalties and bonuses still apply. EXAMPLE: Vilana Pyreen, a 5th-level Bladesinger proficient in the long sword, attempts to disarm her opponent (a special maneuver). Normally, this gives her a +1 to initiative and a –4 to attack rolls. Since she is a 5th-level Bladesinger, however, her bladesinging ability gains her a +1 on her disarm maneuver. Since she is an elf, she gains an additional +1 because she is using her sword. Finally, she gains a +1 for her blade-singing ability with her sword. Her total is only a –1 to disarm her foe. If she were 12th level, she would have a +1 on her disarming attack. 3. Bladesingers have been taught from an early age to grasp the flow of magic around them and to turn it to their advantage. They can cast spells even while in the front lines. Although they cannot actually attack while casting their spells, they may defend themselves against incoming melee attacks. Their defense is equal to their level divided by 2, plus 1. All fractions are rounded down. Thus, a 6th-level Bladesinger gains a +4 to AC (6th level/2=3+1=+4 AC). The same goes for 7th-level Bladesingers (7/2=3.5 –.5=3+1=+4 AC). This does not apply to rear or missile attacks, for it is nearly impossible to defend against those while casting a spell. Bladesingers have practiced the somatic portion of their spells well enough that they may cast their spells one-handed, suffering only a slight penalty. It adds +2 to their casting times, making it easier to disrupt their spells. Like any other spellcaster, if they are hit they lose the concentration necessary for maintaining their spells; they lose the spell. Their spells are, therefore, usually of an offensive nature with very short casting times. 4. The training is hard enough that only a 3rd-level Bladesinger can begin to teach even the rudiments of the bladesong. If another elf wishes to learn the bladesong, he must seek one of the masters of the blade. Bladesingers charge a high price for sharing their skills. Special Hindrances. To offset their abilities, Bladesingers suffer some severe penalties. Not only must they attempt to advance the cause of elvendom somehow at all times, they must also lend aid to any elf in need. Unless the elf is proven to be an enemy of the elven way of life, the Bladesinger must sacrifice life and limb to save that elf's life. Of course, the Bladesinger is free to determine whether there is, in fact, an elf in danger. Too many times other races have tried to eliminate the Bladesinger menace through illusion and trickery. The Bladesingers have grown wary and have, unfortunately, allowed fellow elves to perish while trying to determine the truth of the threat. Thus, most Bladesingers carry at least one detect magic spell in order to avoid possible errors. Bladesingers are so devoted to their chosen weapon that they can never learn another one. Unlike other elves, they do not gain a +1 to attack rolls with a bow. With all other weapons, they suffer a –1 penalty to attack rolls, even if they have taken it as a proficiency. If they have not devoted the slot to learn the weapon, the Bladesinger suffers the ordinary nonproficiency in addition to the –1 penalty. If the player is using The Complete Fighter's Handbook, he may not allow his character to specialize in weapon groups. The Bladesinger focuses on a single weapon only. Bladesingers may wear no armor heavier than elven chain or studded leather. Bulkier armor restricts the Bladesingers' movement enough that they have at least a –2 penalty to attacks if they try to use their bladesinging ability while wearing such armor. The penalty is greater for heavier armor, although this is at the DM's discretion. Bladesingers rarely use weapons other than swords. With only rare exceptions, they never learn two-handed fighting styles. They may not use shields or two-handed weapons, for these interfere with the bladesong. Even when they have run out of spells, Bladesingers will fight one-handed or with both hands on their single-handed weapon. To do otherwise negates all bladesinging bonuses. Wealth Options. Bladesingers start their adventuring lives with 30 to 180 gp (3d6x10), and only one restriction: They must purchase their weapon of choice. Any monies left after buying their initial equipment must be returned to the Bladesinger's Guild. Later in their adventures, they must take opportunities to upgrade their weapons. Other than these restrictions, they are free to do as they wish with their money. Suggested Elf Subraces. Grey elf, high elf.
flxbraden 03-29-05, 02:58 PM	Thank you rogerwilco... i couldnt remember all of that.....
reese 03-29-05, 03:04 PM	thats a pretty good idea, i try that and see... but personally i like using the bardic music to enhance swordplay... obviously i can't drop this into a set campaign because of, as you've been saying, there is a history to the bladesong that is parallel to elves and their skills. the historical bladesong combines swordplay and magic to a greater degree, this is just a different view of how things could work and make more sense to me.
reese 03-29-05, 03:19 PM	To rogerwilco... in your first quote the description brings to mind the elf warriors from LOR and there fighting style which was an idea i based this off of also with the length of time to learn the bladesong, transfering the wizard levels to bard would possibly make up for that as it would take less time to learn bardic music and the few spells that bards have by 2nd level than learning all of these extra wizard spells (that don't really fit with this type of bladesinger) opening this class to more or all races. Also the tatoo markings where something i have not added in yet. If i leave the race at elf than the quest requirement may come into affect as well as the CoC. The longsword is being moved out in favor off the court sword because if you can't use a shield put two hands on your weapon and do more damage, as well as the fact it is Finessable. The numerous sites that all hold the same material you have quoted i also looked at and they played a part in the shaping of this. Also, the complete elves book, was that by Mongoose Publishing or does someone else have one? And this class was modeled for 3.5 ed.
Vahenir 03-29-05, 03:50 PM	Okay.. I just have one question... what the hell is LoRTT or LOR? By the way, your Song of Sharpening is messed up. No 3rd level character is going to have 12 ranks in anything. Your maximum allowable ranks is your character level +3. A 3rd Level character can have no more than 6 ranks in Perform (bladesong) and you're asking for twice that number.
reese 03-29-05, 04:39 PM	LORTT= Lord Of the Rings the Two Towers LOR= Lord Of the Rings And this is a prestige class, You need to have 4 levels of fighter and 2 levels of bard to get in and thats how you have enough ranks. And for bladesong abilities you combine Perform (dance) and Perform (sing) ranks together to have enough ranks in Perform (bladesong). :)
Vahenir 03-29-05, 06:33 PM	Where did those abbreviations come from? It's usually LotR for Lord of the Rings and LotR-TT for the Two Towers. But uh... there are no bladesingers in Middle-earth. Not in the books and not in the movies.
reese 03-30-05, 12:13 AM	i'm not saying there are bladesingers in middle earth i'm saying i liked the look/feel/style of the elf warriors in the movie and mixed that look/feel/style into this class... sorry for the abbreviations i was going fast and took a wild guess...
Vahenir 03-30-05, 12:24 AM	Ah.. I understand what you're saying now. You want something that looks similar to the weapons used - not the style. Got'cha. The weapon is statted already in D&D by the way, it's a nagamaki - Oriental Adventures.
Manyfist 03-30-05, 12:37 AM	For Drow all you would have to do is rename the PRC, StingingBlade. Ok I read the thing above and all, it strikes me that Half-Elves can learn to Bladesing, since they qualify as elf thx to Elven Blood. That's like telling some one they can write this certin word just because you're Mullato(sp?)..etc. Hmm, is it really only Limited to Elves or can Half-Elves join as well even though it says in the text they can't?
Vahenir 03-30-05, 01:39 AM	Also depends on if the Bladesong is something you can just... sort of create for yourself, or if you have to learn it from someone. If it's the latter.. it's possible Elves will only teach full-blooded Elves.
Ellone 03-30-05, 05:03 AM	Bladesinger prc is described in complete warior (3.5) and tome and blood (3.0, consult errata for complete description). So you should choose another name for your prc, if not in your world, at least here to avoid any confusion. Next, prc requirment should never be an excuse for an overpowered prc, simpler way to express it, being a munchkin shouldn't be a requirment to access munchkin material (sory but that's exactly what your ability requirment are) Finaly, if you want to define prc, please try to follow the base rule all prc do respect: ->use standard save chart: that's good, +2 first then +1 per 2 level or bad, +1 per 3 level, not an ultimatly overpowered +1 per level save progression ->make it at beast 10 level long.
Vahenir 03-30-05, 06:55 AM	->make it at beast 10 level long. Actually.. there are 12 and 15 level PrCs that are quite balanced. But those should be reserved for PrCs with low Prerequs.
Ellone 03-30-05, 07:11 AM	well, there's really few official one. And it would be far easier to evaluate and compare one build with 10 level
reese 03-30-05, 11:00 AM	i'm still not to sure on the half elf thing because i may open this up to other/all races as an option... as for another name if you read my past posts, you'll see that bladesinger is Blade+Singer which should equal a sword and singing (not magic)... but if anyone has any other decent ideas for an alternate name please let me know... and Ellone, if you had any ideas for the requirement and how to fix them please post or pm me... it's possible that this class may not be as powerful as i had thought/hoped/dreamed and if not than i can change some things... i mostly just want to know if anyone thinks it can work and would possibly use it.
reese 03-30-05, 11:49 PM	anybody at all interested? even poke holes if you want so i can try to close them... :) i'm also still looking for an alternate name... :confused:
reese 03-31-05, 06:08 PM	i am a selfish, selfish man :( ... this is a bump