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philippe willaume 01-27-05, 08:29 AM	Few days a go someone wrote on how to make the fighter more attractive. Unfortunately in cannot find the thread again (it was about making the feat level dependant) This what I have come up with, this is a rough draft how I see things (I can not put too much detail other wise it will end up being war and peace) We could have the feat level dependant and linked in a chain. Basically instead of having a feat you buy into a feat chain. Coupled with that I propose the following option for a more generic yet more focus fighter or combatant class/prestige Class I would base it all on the fighter This what I propose you could chose either a strength or a dexterity fighter When you start you can pick up 3 feat chains. You would get feat allocation as normal character (and not as the actuall fighter) but every five level you get a bonus feat. With to feat allocation you can start new feat chains. So a human fighter would start with 5 feat chains. You can chose a feat chain twice it will improve twice as fast. You start knowing one weapon, one shield/and other weapon. As you improve in level you will be able to use more weapons (may be on new weapon per level or weapon type every 4level. (The bonus due to chain feats applies to the weapon you know and are not weapon specific) Strength fighter Use physical power to fight Use strength bonus to attack and damage You can use any Armour; any buckler any martial and normal weapon. You can not use two weapon fighting offensively you can hold two weapon and deliver attack with either of then without penalties but it does not increase your number of attack. You get the power attack feat chain Hit dice D10 fighter save Or Monk/athletic training D8, monk save Dext fighter Uses precise and nimble move. Use dexterity bonus to BaB and damage. You can use only light Armour, and any weapon one handed weapon, you can fight with two weapon offensively (extra attack) You get two-weapon fighting feart chain to start with Hit dice D10 reflexes best save Or Monk/athletic training D8, monk save Feat chain: Combat (every two level) Close combat (strength or dex) (improved trip wrestle and so on as a chain) Hand to hand (strength or dex) (mobility and expertise) Shooting (strengh or dext) armour Armour bonus to AC or malus reduction Un-armored (strengh or dext) Armour light(strengh or dext) Armour medium (strengh) Armour heavy (strengh) General Generic combat (feat like improved initiative, blind fighting, iron will, improved reflexes and so on as one feat chain each) High education: (you get 4+ Intel mod skill) Scouting: (you can use the ranger or the barbarian skill progression) Mounted fighting(strengh or dext) Bonus to fight in an against monted troups and defensive strike when fighting from a mount Infantry fighting (strengh or dext) Bonus to fight in and against formation Airborne fighting (strengh or dext) As mounted fighting Sea born fighting (strengh or dext) Bonus when fighting on a boat or an unstable surface (like the spell grease) Underground fighting (strengh or dext) Bonus when fighting unbdrgroind Urban fighting (strengh or dext) Bonus when fighting in town or and building Healer Bonus in administering treatment Public fighting (strengh or dext) Bonus when fighting in front of a crowd/gladiator trick War Engine (strengh or dext): bonus usage of siege engine or heave projectile launcher and siege warcraft Mage fighter (strengh or dext) 5 level after taking the feat arcane spell with ranger progression Magic hater (strengh or dext) :restrict the use of magical object but enable to hit monster that can only be hit by magical weapon) Monster slayer (strengh or dext): like the ranger favored enemy Body guard (strengh or dext) As per prestige class Weapon master you limit your weapon knowledge to a single weapon or a group of weapon (one every 5 level) and you get bonus to hit and damage to those particular weapon This formula could be used for paladin, cleric and ranger, they keep their save and hit dice (or –2 to the hit dice if you want to take mont/atheletic training) And we could consider their special abilities as 1 feat chain and the spell progression as and other one for the ranger and paladin. For the cleric we could say that the clearic abilities cost one feat chain and his spell progression 2. Obviously the feats chains need to be fleshed out but the feat as they are now are not too hard to chain or to transform into level relted. -Either the benefit improve level/(3or 4) or it is a mix of feats one new feat every 3 or 4 level) any opinions ?
Lina_Inverse 01-27-05, 09:08 AM	dex fighter=rogue. we have one,why do people complain?
Sunrider 01-27-05, 09:13 AM	I'd be happy with dex fighter=rogue if I could swap out the Sneak Attack for a full BAB and a couple of feats (+/- fighter-only feats, since it is a fighter). OTOH a high-level rogue sneak-attacking with a Wand of Enervation is nothing to sneeze at...
philippe willaume 01-28-05, 05:24 AM	dex fighter=rogue. we have one,why do people complain? hello lina i would think a rogue is a thief (not a the same bab, hit point, some skill that have nothing to do with warrior and a sneak attack so i think it can not fill the role of a dex fighter, I agree that there is one though, its the swashbucler but I though it could really be integrated straight to te fighter class to start with. I am not especially in favour of dex fighter per se. which i think is your point, conceptually fighter are supposed to use strengh and const. that being said i think the swas bucler prestige class fills a need as well.And may be someone would like to play the equivalent of a velites or hobillard. so why not philippe what i really tried to do is have some sort of fighter kit. as i said before i do not think the fighter is especially unbalanced it is just that the feat are sort of too narrow and are sort of dead end in a sense that ok you what to be a mobility fighter you just have the possibility for 4 feats and that is. of course you can take something else but that kill the impression of development (ie getting better ar what you do) if i make kind of sense.