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takis
08-30-07, 12:33 PM I' m playing a 9 level ranger. His combat style is for swords. So could anyone suggest me a prestige class??? I have something on my mind but i would like to hear someones else opinion......
The_Shaman
08-30-07, 12:56 PM Well, it depends on the ability and fluff you want to keep. The first thing that comes to mind, strangely enough, is a rogue-ish PrC, the Nightsong enforcer - you get no spells, but a good number of SA dice (great for TWFers) rogue abilities, and other decent benefits. Of course, anything from Lion of Talisid to Animal lord can work... what do you want your character to excel in?
RobbyPants
08-30-07, 01:19 PM Ranger? Swords? Two weapon fighting (I'm assuming)?

Sounds like Tempest to me. I can't remember if it's in the Complete Adventurer or the Complete Warrior, but the tempest is a PrC that focuses exclusively on TWF.
The_Shaman
08-30-07, 01:39 PM Adventurer I think, but I'm a bit wary of it for rangers due to the feat prerequisites. Still, if you want to go the Spring Attack route anyway, it can help.
peteyrock
08-30-07, 05:51 PM I found that Horizon Walker worked well for my ranger. He got the skills boost he needed and a decent dose of Fort.
usemagicdevice
08-30-07, 05:57 PM Dervish maybe: crazy strong abilities with two slashing blades (complete warrior)
EpicEvokerElf
08-30-07, 06:35 PM If you can get the feats, I like Xx 5/Dervish 3/ Tempest 5/Dervish 7.
takis
08-30-07, 07:17 PM thnks everyone.
i' ll see the Prc that you have suggested....
:) :) :)
dman11235
08-30-07, 07:19 PM Both are CW.
Nephlite
08-30-07, 07:25 PM I' m playing a 9 level ranger. His combat style is for swords. So could anyone suggest me a prestige class??? I have something on my mind but i would like to hear someones else opinion......

Focusing on Animal Companion=Beastmaster: add in +3 from Complete Adventurer feat boosting animakl companion: you get better than a straight Druid at AC feature.
Nightshade
08-30-07, 07:38 PM Tempest is a mediocre prc for a Ranger. You really have to be a fighter to gain the really good bonuses from Two Weapon Versatility because Weapon Specialization is a fighter only feat. You could pick up Improved Crit for your primary weapon and weapon focus and still have them apply, but it's not optimal. And it has very heavy feat requirements for entrance.

You can only do it well if a human and you'll never be as good as a fighter doing the same thing.
1 Dodge
H Weapon Focus
2 Two Weapon Fighting
3 Endurance, Mobility
6 Improved Two Weapon Fighting, Spring Attack
9 Improved Crit

If you go this route, take 4 class levels of fighter to pick up Weapon Specialization. The other 2 feats won't hurt either.
danielinthewolvesden
08-30-07, 07:39 PM There's a great one in Races of Stone, but I think you have to be a dwarf.
zenlike
08-30-07, 08:35 PM The Wildrunner from Races of the Wild is pretty fun to play. You have to be Elf or Half-Elf.
takis
08-31-07, 01:35 PM Well I can tell u now the prestige class. Actually are 2. It's a bit crazy but i think it's good. Well the prestiges are: Wildrunner and Tempest.
Thanks everybody 4 your suggestions.....
What's your opinion???
Treantmonklvl20
08-31-07, 02:14 PM If your ranger is good - there is a great PrC for rangers in Book of Exalted Deeds. Off the top of my head I think it's called Servant of Karesh?

Gets Evil as favored enemy!
Despot_Arrow
08-31-07, 02:43 PM I like the Dread Commando. It is from the Hero's of Battle.

Full BA and Sudden Attack, add you DrC level to you and allies intiative. This will also lends its self to Tempest or Dervish.
Khadmus
08-31-07, 02:47 PM There's a great one in Races of Stone, but I think you have to be a dwarf.

You do.
Despot_Arrow
08-31-07, 03:33 PM Quote:
Originally Posted by danielinthewolvesden
There's a great one in Races of Stone, but I think you have to be a dwarf.
Originally by Posted Khadmus
You do.Assuming they mean Deepwarden.
Dog_O_War
08-31-07, 04:09 PM If you had prepared for it, then shadowdancer. I know, it may not be the most awesome of choices, but with certain changes (with the DM's approval) you could have a caudre (probably didn't spell that correctly) of shadow compainions (like an animal companion with the dark template from ToM) while still gaining things like evasion. It gives you alot of unique abilities that the ranger could often really use (like uncanny dodge) with a relatively small sacrifice of 3 points of base attack (and if you're human, you finally get to see in the dark!). I did this with a ranger character of mine and am not disappointed with my choice (though having to diverge skill points into perform was abit of a drag; luckly rangers get alot of them).
imakuni67
08-31-07, 04:38 PM Weapon Master is great if you are fighting with two of the same weapons (the classic 2 scimitars for example). If you are fighting lots of dragons, dragon hunter isn't bad.
RobbyPants
08-31-07, 08:18 PM Tempest is a mediocre prc for a Ranger. You really have to be a fighter to gain the really good bonuses from Two Weapon Versatility because Weapon Specialization is a fighter only feat. You could pick up Improved Crit for your primary weapon and weapon focus and still have them apply, but it's not optimal. And it has very heavy feat requirements for entrance.
Well, I wouldn't call it an optimal PrC, but I don't think it's hard for a Ranger, nor do I feel a fighter would be necessarily better at it. If you plan from it at level 1, you can easiliy meet the 5 feat prereqs. Two of them (TWF and ITWF) you get for free for being a Ranger. The other three can be taken at levels 1, 3, and 6.

As for the Two Weapon Versatility ability, I have a tendancy to use two of the same weapon anyway. For the first nine levels of your career you won't have its benifit. Granted, if you're a Fighter, you can get the Specialization feats to increase your per-attack damage; however, a Ranger can increase their per-attack damage with favored enemy. It's all fairly situational.
Nephlite
08-31-07, 10:19 PM Assuming they mean Deepwarden.

Just take 3 levels in Stone blessed: you vount as Dawarf, Gnome, or goliath (your choice) at end and gain +2 Con as a bonus.

Than you can take Deepwarden.
derpderp
09-09-07, 07:21 AM any suggestions for a bow-ranger?
Hellsbells
09-09-07, 02:27 PM So what theme/fluff did the thread starter say he was working on?
The_Shaman
09-09-07, 06:02 PM any suggestions for a bow-ranger?

A few. Aside from the usual versatile ones (nightsong enforcer - often underestimated for rangers, horizon walker for the dim-door, etc) a master archer wanting to specialize may benefit from any of the following:

- Peerless Archer (Silver Marches, feat-heavy and imo fighter-oriented) - probably my personal choice if you have the feats to meet its prerequisites or dip into fighter a bit.
- Deepwood sniper (Masters of the Wild, 3.0 - needs minimal update),
- Justice of Weald and Woe (Champions of Ruin, does not list any race/alignment prerequisites, but imo needs both, medium BAB)
- Kensai (Cwarrior, lawful only) - while more appropriate for melee warriors, it could work as it allows enhancement of bows as well.

However, with the spells from a few splatbooks (CoRuin deserves special mention, but CAdv and whichever book had the original Hunter's Mercy spell are quite good too) a pure ranger gets some nice trick-shot spells that might just be worth it. Oh, btw, if you are thinking of Beastmaster, it makes little sense past lvl 1. After the AComp boost, Animal Lord works much better.
zenlike
09-10-07, 02:25 AM The Peerless Archer is nice but it is also 3.0. However, it needs only a few minor tweaks and it works fine.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
takis 08-30-07, 12:33 PM	I' m playing a 9 level ranger. His combat style is for swords. So could anyone suggest me a prestige class??? I have something on my mind but i would like to hear someones else opinion......
The_Shaman 08-30-07, 12:56 PM	Well, it depends on the ability and fluff you want to keep. The first thing that comes to mind, strangely enough, is a rogue-ish PrC, the Nightsong enforcer - you get no spells, but a good number of SA dice (great for TWFers) rogue abilities, and other decent benefits. Of course, anything from Lion of Talisid to Animal lord can work... what do you want your character to excel in?
RobbyPants 08-30-07, 01:19 PM	Ranger? Swords? Two weapon fighting (I'm assuming)? Sounds like Tempest to me. I can't remember if it's in the Complete Adventurer or the Complete Warrior, but the tempest is a PrC that focuses exclusively on TWF.
The_Shaman 08-30-07, 01:39 PM	Adventurer I think, but I'm a bit wary of it for rangers due to the feat prerequisites. Still, if you want to go the Spring Attack route anyway, it can help.
peteyrock 08-30-07, 05:51 PM	I found that Horizon Walker worked well for my ranger. He got the skills boost he needed and a decent dose of Fort.
usemagicdevice 08-30-07, 05:57 PM	Dervish maybe: crazy strong abilities with two slashing blades (complete warrior)
EpicEvokerElf 08-30-07, 06:35 PM	If you can get the feats, I like Xx 5/Dervish 3/ Tempest 5/Dervish 7.
takis 08-30-07, 07:17 PM	thnks everyone. i' ll see the Prc that you have suggested.... :) :) :)
dman11235 08-30-07, 07:19 PM	Both are CW.
Nephlite 08-30-07, 07:25 PM	I' m playing a 9 level ranger. His combat style is for swords. So could anyone suggest me a prestige class??? I have something on my mind but i would like to hear someones else opinion...... Focusing on Animal Companion=Beastmaster: add in +3 from Complete Adventurer feat boosting animakl companion: you get better than a straight Druid at AC feature.
Nightshade 08-30-07, 07:38 PM	Tempest is a mediocre prc for a Ranger. You really have to be a fighter to gain the really good bonuses from Two Weapon Versatility because Weapon Specialization is a fighter only feat. You could pick up Improved Crit for your primary weapon and weapon focus and still have them apply, but it's not optimal. And it has very heavy feat requirements for entrance. You can only do it well if a human and you'll never be as good as a fighter doing the same thing. 1 Dodge H Weapon Focus 2 Two Weapon Fighting 3 Endurance, Mobility 6 Improved Two Weapon Fighting, Spring Attack 9 Improved Crit If you go this route, take 4 class levels of fighter to pick up Weapon Specialization. The other 2 feats won't hurt either.
danielinthewolvesden 08-30-07, 07:39 PM	There's a great one in Races of Stone, but I think you have to be a dwarf.
zenlike 08-30-07, 08:35 PM	The Wildrunner from Races of the Wild is pretty fun to play. You have to be Elf or Half-Elf.
takis 08-31-07, 01:35 PM	Well I can tell u now the prestige class. Actually are 2. It's a bit crazy but i think it's good. Well the prestiges are: Wildrunner and Tempest. Thanks everybody 4 your suggestions..... What's your opinion???
Treantmonklvl20 08-31-07, 02:14 PM	If your ranger is good - there is a great PrC for rangers in Book of Exalted Deeds. Off the top of my head I think it's called Servant of Karesh? Gets Evil as favored enemy!
Despot_Arrow 08-31-07, 02:43 PM	I like the Dread Commando. It is from the Hero's of Battle. Full BA and Sudden Attack, add you DrC level to you and allies intiative. This will also lends its self to Tempest or Dervish.
Khadmus 08-31-07, 02:47 PM	There's a great one in Races of Stone, but I think you have to be a dwarf. You do.
Despot_Arrow 08-31-07, 03:33 PM	Quote: Originally Posted by danielinthewolvesden There's a great one in Races of Stone, but I think you have to be a dwarf. Originally by Posted Khadmus You do.Assuming they mean Deepwarden.
Dog_O_War 08-31-07, 04:09 PM	If you had prepared for it, then shadowdancer. I know, it may not be the most awesome of choices, but with certain changes (with the DM's approval) you could have a caudre (probably didn't spell that correctly) of shadow compainions (like an animal companion with the dark template from ToM) while still gaining things like evasion. It gives you alot of unique abilities that the ranger could often really use (like uncanny dodge) with a relatively small sacrifice of 3 points of base attack (and if you're human, you finally get to see in the dark!). I did this with a ranger character of mine and am not disappointed with my choice (though having to diverge skill points into perform was abit of a drag; luckly rangers get alot of them).
imakuni67 08-31-07, 04:38 PM	Weapon Master is great if you are fighting with two of the same weapons (the classic 2 scimitars for example). If you are fighting lots of dragons, dragon hunter isn't bad.
RobbyPants 08-31-07, 08:18 PM	Tempest is a mediocre prc for a Ranger. You really have to be a fighter to gain the really good bonuses from Two Weapon Versatility because Weapon Specialization is a fighter only feat. You could pick up Improved Crit for your primary weapon and weapon focus and still have them apply, but it's not optimal. And it has very heavy feat requirements for entrance. Well, I wouldn't call it an optimal PrC, but I don't think it's hard for a Ranger, nor do I feel a fighter would be necessarily better at it. If you plan from it at level 1, you can easiliy meet the 5 feat prereqs. Two of them (TWF and ITWF) you get for free for being a Ranger. The other three can be taken at levels 1, 3, and 6. As for the Two Weapon Versatility ability, I have a tendancy to use two of the same weapon anyway. For the first nine levels of your career you won't have its benifit. Granted, if you're a Fighter, you can get the Specialization feats to increase your per-attack damage; however, a Ranger can increase their per-attack damage with favored enemy. It's all fairly situational.
Nephlite 08-31-07, 10:19 PM	Assuming they mean Deepwarden. Just take 3 levels in Stone blessed: you vount as Dawarf, Gnome, or goliath (your choice) at end and gain +2 Con as a bonus. Than you can take Deepwarden.
derpderp 09-09-07, 07:21 AM	any suggestions for a bow-ranger?
Hellsbells 09-09-07, 02:27 PM	So what theme/fluff did the thread starter say he was working on?
The_Shaman 09-09-07, 06:02 PM	any suggestions for a bow-ranger? A few. Aside from the usual versatile ones (nightsong enforcer - often underestimated for rangers, horizon walker for the dim-door, etc) a master archer wanting to specialize may benefit from any of the following: - Peerless Archer (Silver Marches, feat-heavy and imo fighter-oriented) - probably my personal choice if you have the feats to meet its prerequisites or dip into fighter a bit. - Deepwood sniper (Masters of the Wild, 3.0 - needs minimal update), - Justice of Weald and Woe (Champions of Ruin, does not list any race/alignment prerequisites, but imo needs both, medium BAB) - Kensai (Cwarrior, lawful only) - while more appropriate for melee warriors, it could work as it allows enhancement of bows as well. However, with the spells from a few splatbooks (CoRuin deserves special mention, but CAdv and whichever book had the original Hunter's Mercy spell are quite good too) a pure ranger gets some nice trick-shot spells that might just be worth it. Oh, btw, if you are thinking of Beastmaster, it makes little sense past lvl 1. After the AComp boost, Animal Lord works much better.
zenlike 09-10-07, 02:25 AM	The Peerless Archer is nice but it is also 3.0. However, it needs only a few minor tweaks and it works fine.