A question of balance... [Archive] - Wizards Community

A question of balance... [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Tha Sage
03-16-04, 09:32 PM Would taking the Eldritch Knight from the DMG, and merely replacing all instances of the word Arcane with Divine (or religion in the case of Knowledge) be unbalancing?
If so, are there any ways that you can think of to balance it?

Thanks in advance.
bitnine
03-16-04, 09:46 PM If so, likely not towards the high side.
Tha Sage
03-16-04, 10:55 PM Originally posted by bitnine
If so, likely not towards the high side.

The only reason I could think of would be that Clerics get many more 'buff' spells than an Arcane caster.

Then again, now that I remember Divine Power, such a choice in PrC might seem rather... pointless.
MinusInnocence
03-17-04, 01:53 PM Yeah, you'd be committing class-selection suicide. There are spells on the Cleric list that replace the minor benefits the Eldritch Knight provides, while the PrC negates the benefits of Turning and Spontaneous Curing (or their counterparts). Meanwhile, Wizards and Sorcerers are notoriously underpowered in martial combat, and the only thing they're giving up under normal 3.5 rules are some paltry class skills, the familiar, and the bonus feats (that's only the Wizard, too).
Tha Sage
03-17-04, 03:42 PM Originally posted by MinusInnocence
Yeah, you'd be committing class-selection suicide. There are spells on the Cleric list that replace the minor benefits the Eldritch Knight provides, while the PrC negates the benefits of Turning and Spontaneous Curing (or their counterparts). Meanwhile, Wizards and Sorcerers are notoriously underpowered in martial combat, and the only thing they're giving up under normal 3.5 rules are some paltry class skills, the familiar, and the bonus feats (that's only the Wizard, too).

Yeah, I kinda figured that out after a bit.

Well then... can anyone point me to a good cleric prc for someone who wants to focus on getting more involved in the melee process/summoning?
I was considering going for the Thamurtagist, any opinions or experiences with it?
TheMightyMcClaw
03-17-04, 04:04 PM The Hospitaler from DoF comes to mind. It gets full Spellcasting progression and a 1/1 BAB. I wonder how they pulled that off....

The Warpriest also could work, though it's more of a "leading troops into battle" type.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Tha Sage 03-16-04, 09:32 PM	Would taking the Eldritch Knight from the DMG, and merely replacing all instances of the word Arcane with Divine (or religion in the case of Knowledge) be unbalancing? If so, are there any ways that you can think of to balance it? Thanks in advance.
bitnine 03-16-04, 09:46 PM	If so, likely not towards the high side.
Tha Sage 03-16-04, 10:55 PM	Originally posted by bitnine If so, likely not towards the high side. The only reason I could think of would be that Clerics get many more 'buff' spells than an Arcane caster. Then again, now that I remember Divine Power, such a choice in PrC might seem rather... pointless.
MinusInnocence 03-17-04, 01:53 PM	Yeah, you'd be committing class-selection suicide. There are spells on the Cleric list that replace the minor benefits the Eldritch Knight provides, while the PrC negates the benefits of Turning and Spontaneous Curing (or their counterparts). Meanwhile, Wizards and Sorcerers are notoriously underpowered in martial combat, and the only thing they're giving up under normal 3.5 rules are some paltry class skills, the familiar, and the bonus feats (that's only the Wizard, too).
Tha Sage 03-17-04, 03:42 PM	Originally posted by MinusInnocence Yeah, you'd be committing class-selection suicide. There are spells on the Cleric list that replace the minor benefits the Eldritch Knight provides, while the PrC negates the benefits of Turning and Spontaneous Curing (or their counterparts). Meanwhile, Wizards and Sorcerers are notoriously underpowered in martial combat, and the only thing they're giving up under normal 3.5 rules are some paltry class skills, the familiar, and the bonus feats (that's only the Wizard, too). Yeah, I kinda figured that out after a bit. Well then... can anyone point me to a good cleric prc for someone who wants to focus on getting more involved in the melee process/summoning? I was considering going for the Thamurtagist, any opinions or experiences with it?
TheMightyMcClaw 03-17-04, 04:04 PM	The Hospitaler from DoF comes to mind. It gets full Spellcasting progression and a 1/1 BAB. I wonder how they pulled that off.... The Warpriest also could work, though it's more of a "leading troops into battle" type.