A Simple Fighter Remake [Archive] - Wizards Community

A Simple Fighter Remake [Archive] - Wizards Community

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LoneFlame
08-07-07, 03:53 PM This one's a lot simpler than my other one (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=887674), though I think it might be able to get the job done about as well. It addresses the skills issue and the limited amount of abilities. It doesn't give out anything too grand or powerful, other than what the various D&D books gives out as fighter feats and variants. I did tweak some feats, but not to the point where they're broken. I also added a couple of optional alternate class features you can pick up in place of feats, but again, not anything that's broken. Not gonna popular among some of the other Fighter remakers, but the full feat progression should add enough legos to the pile to make this version of the Fighter able to hold it's own in the long run and still let players built up their Fighter Character as they see fit.

The Simple Fighter Remake
Lv Base Attack Fort Ref Will Special
1 1 2 0 0 Bonus Feat
2 2 3 0 0 Bonus Feat
3 3 3 1 1 Bonus Feat
4 4 4 1 1 Bonus Feat
5 5 4 1 1 Bonus Feat
6 6/1 5 2 2 Bonus Feat
7 7/2 5 2 2 Bonus Feat
8 8/3 6 2 2 Bonus Feat
9 9/4 6 3 3 Bonus Feat
10 10/5 7 3 3 Bonus Feat
11 11/6/1 7 3 3 Bonus Feat
12 12/7/2 8 4 4 Bonus Feat
13 13/8/3 8 4 4 Bonus Feat
14 14/9/4 9 4 4 Bonus Feat
15 15/10/5 9 5 5 Bonus Feat
16 16/11/6/1 10 5 5 Bonus Feat
17 17/12/7/2 10 5 5 Bonus Feat
18 18/13/8/3 11 6 6 Bonus Feat
19 19/14/9/4 11 6 6 Bonus Feat
20 20/15/10/5 12 6 6 Bonus Feat

Hit Dice: d10
Skill Points: 4 + Int Mod
Class Skills: Craft +8 of Player's Choice(within reason)
Weapons: All Simple & Martial Weapons
Armor: Light, Medium, & Heavy Armor, All Shields including Tower

Bonus Feat: Pick a character feat that is a Fighter Feat(or Fighter variant class feature).
Must meet requirements

Adjusted Feats

Stunning Fist(lv 6): you gain 1 use of stunning fist per Fighter lv, rather that 1 every 4 lvs

Lightning Reflexes(lv 6 min): Can pick up the Lightning Reflexes Feat

Iron Will(lv 6 min): Can pick up the Iron Will Feat

Improved Natural Attack(lv 8 min): counts as a fighter feat(provided of course you have a natural attack or unarmed strike)

Martial Study: Fighter lvs count as full Intiator lvs for picking up martial Maneuvers. Can take this feat up to +3 more times than normal. Can spend a full-round action to recover one expended maneuver. Total number of readied maneuvers equals number of times the Fighter has taken the Martial Study feat.

Martial Stance: Fighter lvs count as full Intiator lvs for picking up martial Stances.

Tactical Feats: Any Tactical Feat that a Fighter meets the requirements for is considered a Fighter Feat, regardless of whether or not it says it is.

Melee Weapon Master: Lower base attack requirement to 6.

Slashing Fury, Crushing Strike, Driving Attack: Lower base attack requirement to 10.

Weapon Supremacy: Lower required Fighter Lv to 14.

Penetrating Shot: Lower Base Attack requirement to 8

New Alternative Class Features(as in, to take take these you trade off a Fighter Feat)

Increased Physical Stat(lv 10 min): Raises Strength, Dexterity, or Constitution by 1 point.

Evasion(min lv 8, requires lightning reflexes): Gains Evasion in Medium, Light, or No Armor

Uncanny Dodge(min lv 6): Gains Uncanny Dodge

Mettle(min lv 10, requires Iron Will): Gains Mettle(as the Hexblade ability)

Sidenotes

Some good Fighter Variant Abilities can be found in PHB2, Dungeonscape, and Complete Champion.

Some good Fighter Feats can be found in Book of Nine Swords(aka, Tome of Battle), Complete Warrior, Player's Handbook, Player's Handbook 2, Complete Adventurer, Heroes of Battle, and Complete Arcane.

Some good Tactical Feats can be found in Player's Handbook 2, Cityscape, Complete Warrior.
LoneFlame
08-08-07, 03:00 PM If anyone knows of some more good sources for Fighter Feats and/or Variants please post them.
RobbyPants
08-08-07, 04:52 PM The only real problem I have with it is the boost fighters get at the lower levels (when they really shine). I don't feel they need much before level 5 or 6. Other than that, this certainly is an easy implementation. The nice thing about counting their initiator levels higher is that it helps with the fighter's versitilty.

Still, I'm not sure if a bonus feat every level is the answer. Perhaps swap some of the class features out for the Bonus Feats at the odd numbered levels, and come up with some filler for the odd levels below 10th.
aelryinth
08-08-07, 08:15 PM This is a very, very standard Fighter fix which most people should find agreeable, with some Feat Fixing thrown in on top of it, which most people should also find agreeable.

Nothing spectactular, but quite common sensical:) I'd probably restrict his skill list to that of the Warblade, with the addition of Ride and Handle animal, but that's me.

===Aelryinth
LoneFlame
08-09-07, 12:11 PM Nothing spectactular, but quite common sensical:) I'd probably restrict his skill list to that of the Warblade, with the addition of Ride and Handle animal, but that's me.
Sounds acceptable.

I just went with any skill(within reason) because there are a lot of different skills in the game that go well with certain Fighter concepts(such as Spellcraft for a Mageslayer Fighter or Spot & Listen for any Fighter). There weren't many skills that I couldn't find a suitable Fighter application for(although Appraise really should be left to the Rogue or Artificer). Then again, that could be said for almost any class.

Now, under my 'within reason' clause, the Player has to be able to justify each class skill choice to the DM, so a reason alternative could be that the DM comes up with a set list of class skills for the Fighter and from their, the Players can negotiate adjustments with the DM on an case by case basis. Either way, the end result should be about the same.
LoneFlame
08-10-07, 02:16 PM Update: Added a few feats to the Adjusted Feats section.

Perhaps swap some of the class features out for the Bonus Feats at the odd numbered levels, and come up with some filler for the odd levels below 10th.
Just about every other Fighter Remake comes up with various filler stuff for odd lvs. Having already done one of those (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=887674) myself already, I decided to try a more simplified approach with this Fighter remake.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
LoneFlame 08-07-07, 03:53 PM	This one's a lot simpler than my other one (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=887674), though I think it might be able to get the job done about as well. It addresses the skills issue and the limited amount of abilities. It doesn't give out anything too grand or powerful, other than what the various D&D books gives out as fighter feats and variants. I did tweak some feats, but not to the point where they're broken. I also added a couple of optional alternate class features you can pick up in place of feats, but again, not anything that's broken. Not gonna popular among some of the other Fighter remakers, but the full feat progression should add enough legos to the pile to make this version of the Fighter able to hold it's own in the long run and still let players built up their Fighter Character as they see fit. The Simple Fighter Remake Lv Base Attack Fort Ref Will Special 1 1 2 0 0 Bonus Feat 2 2 3 0 0 Bonus Feat 3 3 3 1 1 Bonus Feat 4 4 4 1 1 Bonus Feat 5 5 4 1 1 Bonus Feat 6 6/1 5 2 2 Bonus Feat 7 7/2 5 2 2 Bonus Feat 8 8/3 6 2 2 Bonus Feat 9 9/4 6 3 3 Bonus Feat 10 10/5 7 3 3 Bonus Feat 11 11/6/1 7 3 3 Bonus Feat 12 12/7/2 8 4 4 Bonus Feat 13 13/8/3 8 4 4 Bonus Feat 14 14/9/4 9 4 4 Bonus Feat 15 15/10/5 9 5 5 Bonus Feat 16 16/11/6/1 10 5 5 Bonus Feat 17 17/12/7/2 10 5 5 Bonus Feat 18 18/13/8/3 11 6 6 Bonus Feat 19 19/14/9/4 11 6 6 Bonus Feat 20 20/15/10/5 12 6 6 Bonus Feat Hit Dice: d10 Skill Points: 4 + Int Mod Class Skills: Craft +8 of Player's Choice(within reason) Weapons: All Simple & Martial Weapons Armor: Light, Medium, & Heavy Armor, All Shields including Tower Bonus Feat: Pick a character feat that is a Fighter Feat(or Fighter variant class feature). Must meet requirements Adjusted Feats Stunning Fist(lv 6): you gain 1 use of stunning fist per Fighter lv, rather that 1 every 4 lvs Lightning Reflexes(lv 6 min): Can pick up the Lightning Reflexes Feat Iron Will(lv 6 min): Can pick up the Iron Will Feat Improved Natural Attack(lv 8 min): counts as a fighter feat(provided of course you have a natural attack or unarmed strike) Martial Study: Fighter lvs count as full Intiator lvs for picking up martial Maneuvers. Can take this feat up to +3 more times than normal. Can spend a full-round action to recover one expended maneuver. Total number of readied maneuvers equals number of times the Fighter has taken the Martial Study feat. Martial Stance: Fighter lvs count as full Intiator lvs for picking up martial Stances. Tactical Feats: Any Tactical Feat that a Fighter meets the requirements for is considered a Fighter Feat, regardless of whether or not it says it is. Melee Weapon Master: Lower base attack requirement to 6. Slashing Fury, Crushing Strike, Driving Attack: Lower base attack requirement to 10. Weapon Supremacy: Lower required Fighter Lv to 14. Penetrating Shot: Lower Base Attack requirement to 8 New Alternative Class Features(as in, to take take these you trade off a Fighter Feat) Increased Physical Stat(lv 10 min): Raises Strength, Dexterity, or Constitution by 1 point. Evasion(min lv 8, requires lightning reflexes): Gains Evasion in Medium, Light, or No Armor Uncanny Dodge(min lv 6): Gains Uncanny Dodge Mettle(min lv 10, requires Iron Will): Gains Mettle(as the Hexblade ability) Sidenotes Some good Fighter Variant Abilities can be found in PHB2, Dungeonscape, and Complete Champion. Some good Fighter Feats can be found in Book of Nine Swords(aka, Tome of Battle), Complete Warrior, Player's Handbook, Player's Handbook 2, Complete Adventurer, Heroes of Battle, and Complete Arcane. Some good Tactical Feats can be found in Player's Handbook 2, Cityscape, Complete Warrior.
LoneFlame 08-08-07, 03:00 PM	If anyone knows of some more good sources for Fighter Feats and/or Variants please post them.
RobbyPants 08-08-07, 04:52 PM	The only real problem I have with it is the boost fighters get at the lower levels (when they really shine). I don't feel they need much before level 5 or 6. Other than that, this certainly is an easy implementation. The nice thing about counting their initiator levels higher is that it helps with the fighter's versitilty. Still, I'm not sure if a bonus feat every level is the answer. Perhaps swap some of the class features out for the Bonus Feats at the odd numbered levels, and come up with some filler for the odd levels below 10th.
aelryinth 08-08-07, 08:15 PM	This is a very, very standard Fighter fix which most people should find agreeable, with some Feat Fixing thrown in on top of it, which most people should also find agreeable. Nothing spectactular, but quite common sensical:) I'd probably restrict his skill list to that of the Warblade, with the addition of Ride and Handle animal, but that's me. ===Aelryinth
LoneFlame 08-09-07, 12:11 PM	Nothing spectactular, but quite common sensical:) I'd probably restrict his skill list to that of the Warblade, with the addition of Ride and Handle animal, but that's me. Sounds acceptable. I just went with any skill(within reason) because there are a lot of different skills in the game that go well with certain Fighter concepts(such as Spellcraft for a Mageslayer Fighter or Spot & Listen for any Fighter). There weren't many skills that I couldn't find a suitable Fighter application for(although Appraise really should be left to the Rogue or Artificer). Then again, that could be said for almost any class. Now, under my 'within reason' clause, the Player has to be able to justify each class skill choice to the DM, so a reason alternative could be that the DM comes up with a set list of class skills for the Fighter and from their, the Players can negotiate adjustments with the DM on an case by case basis. Either way, the end result should be about the same.
LoneFlame 08-10-07, 02:16 PM	Update: Added a few feats to the Adjusted Feats section. Perhaps swap some of the class features out for the Bonus Feats at the odd numbered levels, and come up with some filler for the odd levels below 10th. Just about every other Fighter Remake comes up with various filler stuff for odd lvs. Having already done one of those (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=887674) myself already, I decided to try a more simplified approach with this Fighter remake.