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Kergan
02-01-05, 08:01 PM Variant Ranger

Alignment: any but lawfull
BAB: As Ranger
Saves: As Ranger
Skills: As Ranger plus Tumble, Balance
Hit Dice: As Ranger

1st - bonus feat, wild empathy, fast movement(+10 ft), Nature's Senses
2nd - woodland stride, uncanny dodge
3rd - trackless step
4th - Resist nature's lure
5th - bonus feat
6th - evasion
7th - Resist Nature's Moods
8th - improved uncanny dodge
9th - flawless stride
10th- bonus feat, One with the nature (Skill Mastery)
11th- camouflage
12th- improved evasion
13th- fast movement (+20ft)
14th- Defensive Roll
15th- bonus feat
16th- hide in plain sight
17th-
18th-
19th- free movement
20th- bonus feat

Resist Nature's Moods: the strider is under the permanent effect of the spell endure elements

Nature's Senses : +1 to Survival, Knowledge(Nature), Knowledge(Geography). the bonus improves another +1 per 5 additional levels. (5th,10th,15th,20th)

the bonus feats may be chosen from the following list:
Acrobatic, Agile, Alertness, Athletic, Blind Fight, Brachiation, Combat Expertise, Combat Reflexes, Danger sense, Dodge, Endurance, Great Fortidue, Hear the Unseen, Improved Initiative, iron will, lightning reflexes, Mobility, Quickdraw, Quick Reconnoiter, Track
in order to take the feats, the requirements for the feats must still be fullfilded.

One with the nature (Skill Mastery): chose 3+ Int-Bonus skills from his list of skills. with that skills he may "take 10" even if under a stressfull situation.

Spells:
S/day 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
1st -----0----/-----/-----/-----
2nd-----0----/-----/-----/-----
3rd -----1----/-----/-----/-----
4th -----1----0-----/-----/-----
5th -----1----0-----/-----/-----
6th -----1----1-----/-----/-----
7th -----2----1-----0-----/-----
8th -----2----1-----0-----/-----
9th -----2----1-----1-----/-----
10. -----2----2-----1-----0-----
11. -----3----2-----1-----0-----
12. -----3----2-----1-----1-----
13. -----3----2-----2-----1-----
14. -----3----3-----2-----1-----
15. -----4----3-----2-----1-----
16. -----4----3-----2-----2-----
17. -----4----3-----3-----2-----
18. -----4----4-----3-----2-----
19. -----5----4-----3-----3-----
20. -----5----4-----4-----4-----

I decided to create a class thats based on the Ranger/scout and I took those abilties of both classes that are related to movement and defense because I didn't like the idea of the Ranger as an offensive hunter - imho favored enemey su...s!
I used the Ranger variant of the Dragon 324 found on page 95 as a guideline for this class. I wanted to create a Ranger that is more like an elven-ranger. One, that moves with the nature not just through it. all in all I would say I've created a class that has a lot of class-abilities but all of them are defensive and thus the class - I think - is not unbalanced.

But in the end I want your opinion so that's why I'm posting the class.
What do you think of it?
Thanks,

Kergan

P.S.: :embarrass if you write some comments, please don't write something like "this class sucks" but more like "this class sucks, because... and I'd suggest to change... ". Thanks!
Kergan
02-02-05, 02:01 PM :eek: I'm a little bit astonished that nobody, absolutely nobody got anything to say weather he like's the class or not... and I'm badly disappointed that noone feels the need to help me in some way with this class... :rant:

ah! wathever... :waits:
gribnit
02-02-05, 02:11 PM exactly what was swapped out for what? I see that favored enemy is gone.. could you post the exact swaps you made and the rationale?
Kergan
02-02-05, 02:32 PM @gribnit
The problem is that I can't tell you exactly what was swapped out for what. I took a lot of abilities (that seemed appropriate) because of the fact that this variant doesn't get any offensive abilities - not even very powerfull spells. So, all in all it isn't a very powerfull class - the idea was to build a cool class - and that's the whole story why the class got so many (especially defensive and movement related) abilities...

I wrote that this is a variant ranger and I was inspired by the Scout/Ranger/Wild Defender of the Dragon 324 but in the end you have to look at this class as a whole new class.

do you think it's balanced? would you consider playing this class?
Arthias
02-02-05, 03:10 PM Well, i like the idea because ALL of my rangers seem to die because the real brute in the group runs into the fray and dies right away leaving me and the pisonic/spellcaster to fend off the enemy, and usally i get ruined in the melee as the pisonic/spellcaster runs away.
Note:The people I play with don't like Clerics :mad:
dnddansorc
02-02-05, 03:20 PM The idea is a good one! It would be interesting to play sometime since I enjoy the Ranger Class best of all. Good job on creating a fair ballance of stats. I think that it would take lots of stratagy to do well with this character, but if used correctly i could be quiet powerfull.
Grigori
02-02-05, 03:24 PM Seems like a scout (not from the complete adventurer). Someone who's good at laying low and surviving on his own. But, capable of doing alright in a fight. I'd seriously look into the favored terrain variant from the UA. It might give you some good ideas to work with. Or look at the 'Ultimate ranger'.
gribnit
02-02-05, 04:20 PM well, I can't tell if it's balanced without seeing several played, of course. Estimating balance would require me to figure out the differences, assign values to them, and compare the totals, and that's more work than I feel like doing. However, you've removed 2 very powerful abilities of the ranger, arguably the two most powerful, Combat Style and Favored Enemy, so at a first glance, it seems fine to pile on the defensive abilities. I can't say anything more as to balance.

As for whether I'd play one, well, it's not my style, I'm more into full spellcasters or idiotic fighter-types. But, it certainly seems playable.
Kergan
02-05-05, 06:49 AM Thanks,
I'm glad to see that there are some people out there that like this class as much as I do. Thanks for your statements - I'll test this class as soon as possible in our campagne. I'll let you know if it does well...

Thanks,

Kergan
Nyferto
02-05-05, 07:57 AM You basically seem to have taken the Ranger, dropped Favoured Enemy and given it a bunch of extra's without taking anything real away.

I thought the class was powerful when I though they had no spells, then I saw the spell chart at the end. Are spells the same as the Rangers as well?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Kergan 02-01-05, 08:01 PM	Variant Ranger Alignment: any but lawfull BAB: As Ranger Saves: As Ranger Skills: As Ranger plus Tumble, Balance Hit Dice: As Ranger 1st - bonus feat, wild empathy, fast movement(+10 ft), Nature's Senses 2nd - woodland stride, uncanny dodge 3rd - trackless step 4th - Resist nature's lure 5th - bonus feat 6th - evasion 7th - Resist Nature's Moods 8th - improved uncanny dodge 9th - flawless stride 10th- bonus feat, One with the nature (Skill Mastery) 11th- camouflage 12th- improved evasion 13th- fast movement (+20ft) 14th- Defensive Roll 15th- bonus feat 16th- hide in plain sight 17th- 18th- 19th- free movement 20th- bonus feat Resist Nature's Moods: the strider is under the permanent effect of the spell endure elements Nature's Senses : +1 to Survival, Knowledge(Nature), Knowledge(Geography). the bonus improves another +1 per 5 additional levels. (5th,10th,15th,20th) the bonus feats may be chosen from the following list: Acrobatic, Agile, Alertness, Athletic, Blind Fight, Brachiation, Combat Expertise, Combat Reflexes, Danger sense, Dodge, Endurance, Great Fortidue, Hear the Unseen, Improved Initiative, iron will, lightning reflexes, Mobility, Quickdraw, Quick Reconnoiter, Track in order to take the feats, the requirements for the feats must still be fullfilded. One with the nature (Skill Mastery): chose 3+ Int-Bonus skills from his list of skills. with that skills he may "take 10" even if under a stressfull situation. Spells: S/day 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 1st -----0----/-----/-----/----- 2nd-----0----/-----/-----/----- 3rd -----1----/-----/-----/----- 4th -----1----0-----/-----/----- 5th -----1----0-----/-----/----- 6th -----1----1-----/-----/----- 7th -----2----1-----0-----/----- 8th -----2----1-----0-----/----- 9th -----2----1-----1-----/----- 10. -----2----2-----1-----0----- 11. -----3----2-----1-----0----- 12. -----3----2-----1-----1----- 13. -----3----2-----2-----1----- 14. -----3----3-----2-----1----- 15. -----4----3-----2-----1----- 16. -----4----3-----2-----2----- 17. -----4----3-----3-----2----- 18. -----4----4-----3-----2----- 19. -----5----4-----3-----3----- 20. -----5----4-----4-----4----- I decided to create a class thats based on the Ranger/scout and I took those abilties of both classes that are related to movement and defense because I didn't like the idea of the Ranger as an offensive hunter - imho favored enemey su...s! I used the Ranger variant of the Dragon 324 found on page 95 as a guideline for this class. I wanted to create a Ranger that is more like an elven-ranger. One, that moves with the nature not just through it. all in all I would say I've created a class that has a lot of class-abilities but all of them are defensive and thus the class - I think - is not unbalanced. But in the end I want your opinion so that's why I'm posting the class. What do you think of it? Thanks, Kergan P.S.: :embarrass if you write some comments, please don't write something like "this class sucks" but more like "this class sucks, because... and I'd suggest to change... ". Thanks!
Kergan 02-02-05, 02:01 PM	:eek: I'm a little bit astonished that nobody, absolutely nobody got anything to say weather he like's the class or not... and I'm badly disappointed that noone feels the need to help me in some way with this class... :rant: ah! wathever... :waits:
gribnit 02-02-05, 02:11 PM	exactly what was swapped out for what? I see that favored enemy is gone.. could you post the exact swaps you made and the rationale?
Kergan 02-02-05, 02:32 PM	@gribnit The problem is that I can't tell you exactly what was swapped out for what. I took a lot of abilities (that seemed appropriate) because of the fact that this variant doesn't get any offensive abilities - not even very powerfull spells. So, all in all it isn't a very powerfull class - the idea was to build a cool class - and that's the whole story why the class got so many (especially defensive and movement related) abilities... I wrote that this is a variant ranger and I was inspired by the Scout/Ranger/Wild Defender of the Dragon 324 but in the end you have to look at this class as a whole new class. do you think it's balanced? would you consider playing this class?
Arthias 02-02-05, 03:10 PM	Well, i like the idea because ALL of my rangers seem to die because the real brute in the group runs into the fray and dies right away leaving me and the pisonic/spellcaster to fend off the enemy, and usally i get ruined in the melee as the pisonic/spellcaster runs away. Note:The people I play with don't like Clerics :mad:
dnddansorc 02-02-05, 03:20 PM	The idea is a good one! It would be interesting to play sometime since I enjoy the Ranger Class best of all. Good job on creating a fair ballance of stats. I think that it would take lots of stratagy to do well with this character, but if used correctly i could be quiet powerfull.
Grigori 02-02-05, 03:24 PM	Seems like a scout (not from the complete adventurer). Someone who's good at laying low and surviving on his own. But, capable of doing alright in a fight. I'd seriously look into the favored terrain variant from the UA. It might give you some good ideas to work with. Or look at the 'Ultimate ranger'.
gribnit 02-02-05, 04:20 PM	well, I can't tell if it's balanced without seeing several played, of course. Estimating balance would require me to figure out the differences, assign values to them, and compare the totals, and that's more work than I feel like doing. However, you've removed 2 very powerful abilities of the ranger, arguably the two most powerful, Combat Style and Favored Enemy, so at a first glance, it seems fine to pile on the defensive abilities. I can't say anything more as to balance. As for whether I'd play one, well, it's not my style, I'm more into full spellcasters or idiotic fighter-types. But, it certainly seems playable.
Kergan 02-05-05, 06:49 AM	Thanks, I'm glad to see that there are some people out there that like this class as much as I do. Thanks for your statements - I'll test this class as soon as possible in our campagne. I'll let you know if it does well... Thanks, Kergan
Nyferto 02-05-05, 07:57 AM	You basically seem to have taken the Ranger, dropped Favoured Enemy and given it a bunch of extra's without taking anything real away. I thought the class was powerful when I though they had no spells, then I saw the spell chart at the end. Are spells the same as the Rangers as well?