Abjurant Champion's spell list. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Abjurant Champion's spell list. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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xpochian
11-26-06, 12:53 AM Yes, I realize they do not have one per se, but I was wondering (if it has not already been done) if anyone has written up a list of spells that qualify for their abjuration-based special class abilities.

One of the only 1st level ones I could think of was shield. If anyone could reccomend the 'best' choices of abjuration spells based on any level, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Note: if this has already been done, just point me in the direction.
WarDragon
11-26-06, 01:03 AM The only others that qualify at all are Repelling Shield in CM, and Luminous Armor and Greater Luminous Armor in BoED.
Ainamacar
11-26-06, 01:30 AM Nezram's Sapphire Screen of Shielding from Lost Empires of Faerun also applies...but a bit pointlessly.

Ainamacar
nastynate
11-26-06, 02:41 AM IIRC, deflect and lesser deflect from the PHB2 also provide shield bonuses to AC (though I could be mistaken).
frasmage
11-26-06, 10:00 AM If you play an abjurant champion, in addition to your choice of shield and armor, you MUST take dispel magic and possibly also arcane turmoil (CMg). When your dispel magic spells are automatically quickened, jump for joy.
VonRichthofen
11-26-06, 11:20 AM ... jump for joy.

Dispel Magic becomes nigh useless at high levels...
Kyuketsukiouji
11-26-06, 11:23 AM You'd be surprised by how low the caster level on some of those critical magic items are.

Being able to turn one off a round can have nice advantages. Like turning off an enemy wizard's Headband of Intellect...
Osedox
11-26-06, 11:28 AM Dispel Magic becomes nigh useless at high levels...You must have missed something, let me highlight it for you.
If you play an abjurant champion, in addition to your choice of shield and armor, you MUST take dispel magic and possibly also arcane turmoil (CMg). When your dispel magic spells are automatically quickened, jump for joy.
VonRichthofen
11-26-06, 12:01 PM You must have missed something, let me highlight it for you.

Sorry Sir, but no, I didn't miss it.

What good is to have a nigh useless spell auto-quickened at high levels?
I stand by my word, at high levels, this is a crappy ability - unless, of course, this should account for Greater Dispel Magic as well.
Osedox
11-26-06, 12:05 PM Its not useless, its use impared:) . Even so, auto-quickened (and lets not forget extended) Protection from Evil and Resist Energy are nothing to sneeze at.
Jaxgaret
11-26-06, 12:11 PM A Quickened Dispel Magic followed up by a Twinned Dispel Magic ain't bad against a heavily enchanted BBEG.
VonRichthofen
11-26-06, 12:47 PM Its not useless, its use impared:) . Even so, auto-quickened (and lets not forget extended) Protection from Evil and Resist Energy are nothing to sneeze at.

Please note: I did not write useless, only nigh so. ;)
I'd consider the latter ones better at high levels.
Apart from that, the AC is a pretty good PrC, just in case somebody thought me questioning this.
frasmage
11-26-06, 12:52 PM sure, at 20th level it may be a little less useful, but this build is an optimized gish at around 11th level - right when dispel is at its peak.

Its great on a gish -> dispel their armor and beat 'em silly. I suggest you check how low the caster level of straight enhancement bonuses are - you aren't very likely to fail against that.

It also makes the atomic rune combo (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10681003&postcount=321) a sinch to get off.
Xylem
11-26-06, 05:03 PM IIRC, deflect and lesser deflect from the PHB2 also provide shield bonuses to AC (though I could be mistaken).
Logically enough given its name, Lessor Deflect gives you a deflection bonus; however, oddly, the 2nd level Deflect does indeed give you a sheild bonus (of 1/2 caster level), which makes Abjurant Champion's bonus applicable.

I have also been told (but have not confirmed) that Ectoplasmic Armor is another abjuration spell from the Spell Compendium that provides an armor bonus, although only vs incorporeal touch attacks.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
xpochian 11-26-06, 12:53 AM	Yes, I realize they do not have one per se, but I was wondering (if it has not already been done) if anyone has written up a list of spells that qualify for their abjuration-based special class abilities. One of the only 1st level ones I could think of was shield. If anyone could reccomend the 'best' choices of abjuration spells based on any level, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. Note: if this has already been done, just point me in the direction.
WarDragon 11-26-06, 01:03 AM	The only others that qualify at all are Repelling Shield in CM, and Luminous Armor and Greater Luminous Armor in BoED.
Ainamacar 11-26-06, 01:30 AM	Nezram's Sapphire Screen of Shielding from Lost Empires of Faerun also applies...but a bit pointlessly. Ainamacar
nastynate 11-26-06, 02:41 AM	IIRC, deflect and lesser deflect from the PHB2 also provide shield bonuses to AC (though I could be mistaken).
frasmage 11-26-06, 10:00 AM	If you play an abjurant champion, in addition to your choice of shield and armor, you MUST take dispel magic and possibly also arcane turmoil (CMg). When your dispel magic spells are automatically quickened, jump for joy.
VonRichthofen 11-26-06, 11:20 AM	... jump for joy. Dispel Magic becomes nigh useless at high levels...
Kyuketsukiouji 11-26-06, 11:23 AM	You'd be surprised by how low the caster level on some of those critical magic items are. Being able to turn one off a round can have nice advantages. Like turning off an enemy wizard's Headband of Intellect...
Osedox 11-26-06, 11:28 AM	Dispel Magic becomes nigh useless at high levels...You must have missed something, let me highlight it for you. If you play an abjurant champion, in addition to your choice of shield and armor, you MUST take dispel magic and possibly also arcane turmoil (CMg). When your dispel magic spells are automatically quickened, jump for joy.
VonRichthofen 11-26-06, 12:01 PM	You must have missed something, let me highlight it for you. Sorry Sir, but no, I didn't miss it. What good is to have a nigh useless spell auto-quickened at high levels? I stand by my word, at high levels, this is a crappy ability - unless, of course, this should account for Greater Dispel Magic as well.
Osedox 11-26-06, 12:05 PM	Its not useless, its use impared:) . Even so, auto-quickened (and lets not forget extended) Protection from Evil and Resist Energy are nothing to sneeze at.
Jaxgaret 11-26-06, 12:11 PM	A Quickened Dispel Magic followed up by a Twinned Dispel Magic ain't bad against a heavily enchanted BBEG.
VonRichthofen 11-26-06, 12:47 PM	Its not useless, its use impared:) . Even so, auto-quickened (and lets not forget extended) Protection from Evil and Resist Energy are nothing to sneeze at. Please note: I did not write useless, only nigh so. ;) I'd consider the latter ones better at high levels. Apart from that, the AC is a pretty good PrC, just in case somebody thought me questioning this.
frasmage 11-26-06, 12:52 PM	sure, at 20th level it may be a little less useful, but this build is an optimized gish at around 11th level - right when dispel is at its peak. Its great on a gish -> dispel their armor and beat 'em silly. I suggest you check how low the caster level of straight enhancement bonuses are - you aren't very likely to fail against that. It also makes the atomic rune combo (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10681003&postcount=321) a sinch to get off.
Xylem 11-26-06, 05:03 PM	IIRC, deflect and lesser deflect from the PHB2 also provide shield bonuses to AC (though I could be mistaken). Logically enough given its name, Lessor Deflect gives you a deflection bonus; however, oddly, the 2nd level Deflect does indeed give you a sheild bonus (of 1/2 caster level), which makes Abjurant Champion's bonus applicable. I have also been told (but have not confirmed) that Ectoplasmic Armor is another abjuration spell from the Spell Compendium that provides an armor bonus, although only vs incorporeal touch attacks.