About the Cerics of Eilistaee... [Archive] - Wizards Community

About the Cerics of Eilistaee... [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
NeoDarke
11-25-03, 12:52 AM can a Male Drow or Half-Drow become a Ceric of Eilistaee?
Sorceror
11-25-03, 03:41 AM By the 3.0/3.5 rules no. Houserule yes.
AramTheDM
11-26-03, 08:47 AM why not? I see no restriction? even the prestige class is open to half-elves?
Ithilorien
11-26-03, 09:12 AM Well, there are no cerics of Eilistraee in D&D, but as for clerics of Eilistraee, they may be of any race or gender.

A member of the Sword Dancer prestige class (specialty priest of Eilistraee) must be elf or half-elf and female.

Thus males and half-drow may be clerics of Eilistraee, but only a female half-elf (or half drow) or elf (or drow) could become a Sword Dancer.

Of course your DM could always rule away the gender restriction (which given Eilistraee's all-embracing dogma is kind of silly).
Shadowfax7
11-26-03, 10:27 AM In Faerun (Forgotten Realms campaign world), where Elistraee is officially a goddess, it is specifically required that her clerics be female elves (or Drow).

This is stated under her description in the Faiths of Faerun.
NeoDarke
11-30-03, 10:41 PM you know...now that i think about the Ceric's of Eilistaee...i wonder how well a meting between a Ceric of Eilistaee and a Ceric of Corellon Larethian would go over?
Ithilorien
11-30-03, 11:28 PM Should go over fine as Eilistraee is Corellon's beloved daughter who shares very similar portfolios and alignment.

Also, it's cleric, ceric is a word related only to chemicals containing cerium. It could just be me, but I believe people tend to take you much more seriously when you spell the class of your character correctly.
Ithilorien
11-30-03, 11:57 PM Originally posted by Shadowfax7
In Faerun (Forgotten Realms campaign world), where Elistraee is officially a goddess, it is specifically required that her clerics be female elves (or Drow).

This is stated under her description in the Faiths of Faerun.

Is it possible you are confusing Eilistraee with Lolth? In Faiths and Pantheons Lolth's entry mentions that her clerics must be female, but I can find no such text in regard to Eilistraee.

This is also true of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting book.

Therefore I stand by my post that males of any race may become clerics of Eilistraee, though only female elves and half-elves may be sword dancers.
Shadowfax7
12-01-03, 11:26 AM Ithilorien . . . I could of sworn that I read it in 3rd ed FR under Elistraee also.

However, I might be mistaken . . . what I am SURE of is that both in 1st and 2nd ed. FR, Lolth could have male and female clerics (males being severely level restricted) and Elistraee could ONLY have female clerics.

Could the books have gotten them mixed up or even worse, reversed them for their misbegotten ideas of flavor ?

:eek:
Ithilorien
12-01-03, 11:29 AM You're right, it is rather odd. I remember 2e enforcing the idea that only females could be clerics of Eilistraee, as well (drow of the underdark, was it?), and I also recall a male cleric of Lolth in the 2e Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting . . .

As I said, however, I can't seem to locate any mention of a gender requirement for Eilistraeen clerics in either the 3e FaP or FRCS, though it's possible I'm missing it somewhere. While the entries for Lolth do specify a female-only clergy.
darranz
12-01-03, 08:03 PM Highly unlikely I think. In the first place, no matriarch would ever allow this situation to occur, and Lloth is unlikely to grant males such "favour". To give a male clerical powers is to put him on an equal standing as a female.

I do recall that male drow can become wizards, and with the exception of the Head of the Academy of Wizardry, none of them can rise above 10th level. However I may be wrong.

Can anyone verify?

Regards,
Darren
NeoDarke
12-01-03, 09:21 PM Originally posted by Ithilorien
Also, it's cleric, ceric is a word related only to chemicals containing cerium. It could just be me, but I believe people tend to take you much more seriously when you spell the class of your character correctly.

no one has every taken me seriously so why should i try now?
Bladesinger Boy
12-01-03, 09:46 PM "you know...now that i think about the Ceric's of Eilistaee...i wonder how well a meting between a Ceric of Eilistaee and a Ceric of Corellon Larethian would go over?" - NeoDarke

Heh, good idea. Imagine a male Elven Bladesinger (of Corellon) in love with a female Drow Cleric of Eilistaee; you got your hacking and your healing covered. What an interesting liason...
AramTheDM
12-02-03, 03:07 AM Males don't have to be Clerics of Lolth. They will be welcomed at the Temple of Selvetarm, where they can achieve great prestige without constantly fighting an uphill battle.

Darranz, there are no level caps anymore. None. Wizards can rise above level 90 for all WotC cares. Even drow males. And they can become clerics. And paladins, even. By core.

It is painful to see the ancient notions still implanted in your mind by second edition: damn you, you damn dirty apes for making second edition!

<crazy mode off> So, no. Wizards=no level max.
NeoDarke
12-02-03, 06:38 PM Originally posted by AramTheDM
<crazy mode off> So, no. Wizards=no level max.

there is to a level max! if one Drow kill another Drow at this one level then you can't really go higher then that Level...
AramTheDM
12-03-03, 02:18 AM You're not really making sense. Rather, you are making sense, but in a quite nonsensical way.:confused:
Serene Selene
12-03-03, 09:19 AM I don't remember seeing such a restriction either. Being a chaotic good deity, I doubt Eilistraee would oppress males as Lloth does.
NeoDarke
12-03-03, 03:23 PM Originally posted by AramTheDM
You're not really making sense. Rather, you are making sense, but in a quite nonsensical way.:confused:

heeheeheee...
Frostbite_Ravenheart
12-03-03, 05:37 PM heh its interesting to see how many people confuse lolth with her most "beloved daughter" ;) ;). Anyways Eli places no restrictions and the only reason sword dancers are female only is beacuse there supposed to be like the "anti-lolths" rather then part-drow freedome fighter part-male drow rights movment part-drow priest whatever. There orginization was specificly made to combat lolth and her minions...lolth has only females so eli decided just to have females be sword dancers beacuse

1) Most femals were orginally priestess under lolth so they know whats going on.

and

2) Eli wanted her (human) anti-female drow to be female drow just to be like "Fear the power of the light...your drow and my drow are the same gender and race and we beat the darkness outta you.

Ok maby thats a little bit simple but thats how it went :P.

-Lord Frostbite Ravenheart.
NeoDarke
12-04-03, 01:42 PM ok...well here's a meeting that i don't think well go over very well...

a Cleric of Eilistaee and a Cleric of Shevarash

if the Clerics of those two deities ever meet...it would be very safe to say that there well be alot blood on the ground...

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
NeoDarke 11-25-03, 12:52 AM	can a Male Drow or Half-Drow become a Ceric of Eilistaee?
Sorceror 11-25-03, 03:41 AM	By the 3.0/3.5 rules no. Houserule yes.
AramTheDM 11-26-03, 08:47 AM	why not? I see no restriction? even the prestige class is open to half-elves?
Ithilorien 11-26-03, 09:12 AM	Well, there are no cerics of Eilistraee in D&D, but as for clerics of Eilistraee, they may be of any race or gender. A member of the Sword Dancer prestige class (specialty priest of Eilistraee) must be elf or half-elf and female. Thus males and half-drow may be clerics of Eilistraee, but only a female half-elf (or half drow) or elf (or drow) could become a Sword Dancer. Of course your DM could always rule away the gender restriction (which given Eilistraee's all-embracing dogma is kind of silly).
Shadowfax7 11-26-03, 10:27 AM	In Faerun (Forgotten Realms campaign world), where Elistraee is officially a goddess, it is specifically required that her clerics be female elves (or Drow). This is stated under her description in the Faiths of Faerun.
NeoDarke 11-30-03, 10:41 PM	you know...now that i think about the Ceric's of Eilistaee...i wonder how well a meting between a Ceric of Eilistaee and a Ceric of Corellon Larethian would go over?
Ithilorien 11-30-03, 11:28 PM	Should go over fine as Eilistraee is Corellon's beloved daughter who shares very similar portfolios and alignment. Also, it's cleric, ceric is a word related only to chemicals containing cerium. It could just be me, but I believe people tend to take you much more seriously when you spell the class of your character correctly.
Ithilorien 11-30-03, 11:57 PM	Originally posted by Shadowfax7 In Faerun (Forgotten Realms campaign world), where Elistraee is officially a goddess, it is specifically required that her clerics be female elves (or Drow). This is stated under her description in the Faiths of Faerun. Is it possible you are confusing Eilistraee with Lolth? In Faiths and Pantheons Lolth's entry mentions that her clerics must be female, but I can find no such text in regard to Eilistraee. This is also true of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting book. Therefore I stand by my post that males of any race may become clerics of Eilistraee, though only female elves and half-elves may be sword dancers.
Shadowfax7 12-01-03, 11:26 AM	Ithilorien . . . I could of sworn that I read it in 3rd ed FR under Elistraee also. However, I might be mistaken . . . what I am SURE of is that both in 1st and 2nd ed. FR, Lolth could have male and female clerics (males being severely level restricted) and Elistraee could ONLY have female clerics. Could the books have gotten them mixed up or even worse, reversed them for their misbegotten ideas of flavor ? :eek:
Ithilorien 12-01-03, 11:29 AM	You're right, it is rather odd. I remember 2e enforcing the idea that only females could be clerics of Eilistraee, as well (drow of the underdark, was it?), and I also recall a male cleric of Lolth in the 2e Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting . . . As I said, however, I can't seem to locate any mention of a gender requirement for Eilistraeen clerics in either the 3e FaP or FRCS, though it's possible I'm missing it somewhere. While the entries for Lolth do specify a female-only clergy.
darranz 12-01-03, 08:03 PM	Highly unlikely I think. In the first place, no matriarch would ever allow this situation to occur, and Lloth is unlikely to grant males such "favour". To give a male clerical powers is to put him on an equal standing as a female. I do recall that male drow can become wizards, and with the exception of the Head of the Academy of Wizardry, none of them can rise above 10th level. However I may be wrong. Can anyone verify? Regards, Darren
NeoDarke 12-01-03, 09:21 PM	Originally posted by Ithilorien Also, it's cleric, ceric is a word related only to chemicals containing cerium. It could just be me, but I believe people tend to take you much more seriously when you spell the class of your character correctly. no one has every taken me seriously so why should i try now?
Bladesinger Boy 12-01-03, 09:46 PM	"you know...now that i think about the Ceric's of Eilistaee...i wonder how well a meting between a Ceric of Eilistaee and a Ceric of Corellon Larethian would go over?" - NeoDarke Heh, good idea. Imagine a male Elven Bladesinger (of Corellon) in love with a female Drow Cleric of Eilistaee; you got your hacking and your healing covered. What an interesting liason...
AramTheDM 12-02-03, 03:07 AM	Males don't have to be Clerics of Lolth. They will be welcomed at the Temple of Selvetarm, where they can achieve great prestige without constantly fighting an uphill battle. Darranz, there are no level caps anymore. None. Wizards can rise above level 90 for all WotC cares. Even drow males. And they can become clerics. And paladins, even. By core. It is painful to see the ancient notions still implanted in your mind by second edition: damn you, you damn dirty apes for making second edition! <crazy mode off> So, no. Wizards=no level max.
NeoDarke 12-02-03, 06:38 PM	Originally posted by AramTheDM <crazy mode off> So, no. Wizards=no level max. there is to a level max! if one Drow kill another Drow at this one level then you can't really go higher then that Level...
AramTheDM 12-03-03, 02:18 AM	You're not really making sense. Rather, you are making sense, but in a quite nonsensical way.:confused:
Serene Selene 12-03-03, 09:19 AM	I don't remember seeing such a restriction either. Being a chaotic good deity, I doubt Eilistraee would oppress males as Lloth does.
NeoDarke 12-03-03, 03:23 PM	Originally posted by AramTheDM You're not really making sense. Rather, you are making sense, but in a quite nonsensical way.:confused: heeheeheee...
Frostbite_Ravenheart 12-03-03, 05:37 PM	heh its interesting to see how many people confuse lolth with her most "beloved daughter" ;) ;). Anyways Eli places no restrictions and the only reason sword dancers are female only is beacuse there supposed to be like the "anti-lolths" rather then part-drow freedome fighter part-male drow rights movment part-drow priest whatever. There orginization was specificly made to combat lolth and her minions...lolth has only females so eli decided just to have females be sword dancers beacuse 1) Most femals were orginally priestess under lolth so they know whats going on. and 2) Eli wanted her (human) anti-female drow to be female drow just to be like "Fear the power of the light...your drow and my drow are the same gender and race and we beat the darkness outta you. Ok maby thats a little bit simple but thats how it went :P. -Lord Frostbite Ravenheart.
NeoDarke 12-04-03, 01:42 PM	ok...well here's a meeting that i don't think well go over very well... a Cleric of Eilistaee and a Cleric of Shevarash if the Clerics of those two deities ever meet...it would be very safe to say that there well be alot blood on the ground...