am i a power gamer? [Archive] - Wizards Community

am i a power gamer? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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kirsdarke
08-31-04, 07:05 PM uh, im taking a level in barbarian before my levels in fighter because im building a character based on mobility and speed, and i needed the fast movement ability. is this considerd "power gaming"?

thx
Xeven the Mighty
08-31-04, 07:09 PM Yes. It is. Why not just ask your DM if you can take Fast Movement as a feat instead? Just explain what you are trying to do, and he might like it enough to help you.
bitnine
08-31-04, 07:20 PM There's also a feat called "Dash" in CW. Granted it only grants +5 to movement in light/no armor, but it is a movement-boosting option.
kirsdarke
08-31-04, 07:26 PM hmm i'll try... but then if he says yes and lets it stack withbarb ability ill be tempted to take the level again. i doubt id do rage much because i do not like the fatigue with my somewhat low con score

heres what my speeds looking like at how im planned (joining party level 8)

Base speed: 30 ft.
Barb Fast movement: 10 ft.
Boots of striding & sprinining 10 ft.
Chain shirt of quickness 5 ft.
==========================
total speed 55 ft.

next level it'll be the dash feat for 5 more feet of speed. wonder what i'll do then. fun would be x-classing into barbarian seriously. now thatd be some fun stuff. chain shirt of quickness is from the psionics handbook, i'm assuming he wouldn't let me have what i'd call lightning greaves for extra speed
the Horc
08-31-04, 07:33 PM There is no shame in powergaming. Embrace it. Love it.

Cheating, however, deserves to be beaten with a stick, then shot with the hammer.
kirsdarke
08-31-04, 09:08 PM noooooooo i play the game for fun, and have fun. id rather have a straightforward class such as 8 levels in something and then work on a prestige class or a multiclass. i guess im gonna go barbarian straight after this, it looks to be a fun class. cool thing is i dont forget how to read! :whatsthis

thanks
the Horc
08-31-04, 09:42 PM Do what you want. My friends are all powergamers, but they will also stay with the flavor of what they are.
Endarire
09-01-04, 03:33 AM 3 and 3.5 encourage multiclassing among non-casters. For example, going Rogue2/Barbarian1/Fighter1 probably nets more benefit than 4 levels in one of those classes. Having fun and being powerful aren't mutually exclusive. If you care significantly about your stats, significantly consider your power level; otherwise, don't.

-EE
LoneTear
09-01-04, 04:46 AM Powergaming and MinMaxing are only other faces of the same medal.
Someone love to roleplay free from the rules, eventually creating new feats on the fly, new PrCs etc etc.
Others like to roleplay having a perfectly minmaxed character (All people minmax themself even in real life, why a character should not do the same?) within the boundaries of what WotC gives you in official releases.
I think you have chosen a nice path. Go and try the great magic of multiclass, which opens you a great number of options and class features to customize you character as you like it.

Good luck.
shirasaya25
09-01-04, 07:50 AM uh, im taking a level in barbarian before my levels in fighter because im building a character based on mobility and speed, and i needed the fast movement ability. is this considerd "power gaming"?

I would say that choosing to multi-class into a particular character class merely to pick up their abilities would be considered "power gaming". However, if there was a valid roleplaying reason for multi-classing into barbarian in order to fit the image of the character you are creating then I believe it would not be considered "power gaming".

Bear in mind that I do not think there is anything wrong with min/maxing or powergaming, if that is the style of play that you and your group are choosing. These terms are often used in a very derogative manner, but they are merely another way to play the exact same game that the "roleplayers" are playing, just in a different manner. Sometimes it gets easy to foget that everyone is here to have fun and if you and your group have fun by "power gaming", that is just as valid as a "deep imersion" group that does not even play with dice.
der_gogo
09-01-04, 07:54 AM Well, this is NOT powergaming, this is making a flavourful character. Why not have a guy that was raised in a barbarian tribe as a warrior (1 lvl Barb) and then began training as a professional Fighter after leaving his clan, relying on the things he learned there?

Powergaming is a very different thing imho....
der_gogo
09-01-04, 08:01 AM .... (All people minmax themself even in real life, why a character should not do the same?) ...

Do they? I don't think so. Me, for example. I tend to eat more than I need when a meal is really good. I drink alcohol. My friends smoke, and so I sometimes smoke passivly. So I am not min/maxing. I also could do a lot more sports in my freetime... etc. etc.
LoneTear
09-01-04, 08:11 AM Do you like something more than other? Do you know something more than other? Do you practice something more than other? You are minmaxing. Are you an expert in D&D or music or something other (and you like to know more about those thing(s))? You are minmaxing those fields.

Almost every person tend to specialize in one or more fields. That is "self-minmaxing". This is not only a physical or "body/muscle" matter. You can MinMax your mind too.
markhaus
09-01-04, 09:25 AM Taking a level of barbarian at 1st level is REALLY nice. Fighters are shafted on skills, those bonus 8 from 1st level barb will really help. If you REALLY want to avoid the problems inherent in multiclassing ask the DM for +10 movement from a feat. Either way explain the character concept to your DM and he might think it is neat. (take spring attack and your character will really shine)

A lawful barbarian cant rage. If you want to purposely reduce power make your character lawful, or just never rage (a personal decision. he doesnt want to lose control in combat)
kirsdarke
09-01-04, 10:26 AM Why not have a guy that was raised in a barbarian tribe as a warrior (1 lvl Barb) and then began training as a professional Fighter after leaving his clan, relying on the things he learned there?

stupid psychic, that was my justification! thief! :D lol gogo

YOu can see the item i made that might fix my dilemma HERE (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=4276597#post4276597)

Its a wood elf character, and i always assumed to myself that wood elves were somewhat primitive and tribal (-2 to intell), but thats just me, so barb as first level would be natural, even though dfavored class is ranger o.O
MattD121
09-01-04, 10:34 AM I never thought of wood elves as tribal or stupid... wild elves perhaps but I always thought wood elves were just... woodsy.
kirsdarke
09-01-04, 07:28 PM woodsy...

i just figured they'd not be tribal because for osme reason i ogt scottish clans stuck in my head when io read up on them.
Jaerom Darkwind
09-01-04, 10:37 PM There is no shame in powergaming. Embrace it. Love it.

Cheating, however, deserves to be beaten with a stick, then shot with the hammer.Something I've been meaning to ask for a while: How do you shoot someone with a hammer? (Or how did someone attempt to do so once?)
BlaineTog
09-01-04, 11:08 PM Something I've been meaning to ask for a while: How do you shoot someone with a hammer?Well, its really quite simple: Take a hammer.
Shoot them with it.See? :D
Jaerom Darkwind
09-01-04, 11:10 PM Well, its really quite simple: Take a hammer.
Shoot them with it.See? :DAhhh... I still don't get it. Seriously, is this based on an actual incident in someone's game?
king_of_evil007
09-01-04, 11:12 PM That's a good question.
I remember, long ago, somebody said "... needs to be shot with a hammer". I don't remember what was said before that, or who said it, but it's become a classic quote on these boards. It's been in so many sigs, quoted so often, etc. I wish I could meet who said it originally and give that guy a medal.
TO shoot somebody with a hammer, you need a gnome hammer launcher, obviously. ;) :D

Ontopic...
It could be considered powergaming, but your guy isn't going to be destroying the planet.
What you need to be worried about is if you can destroy the planet. (I believe somebody did the Earth's HP once)
In all seriousness, you are powergaming, but you aren't ridiculously powergaming. If you're trying to find ways around rules and doing things that are definitely wrong (like making your own unbalanced PrC and using it) it would be bad, but right now, you're just making yourself better the smart way. You aren't a really bad powergamer.
I'd be careful though of those multiclassing penalties...
Jaerom Darkwind
09-01-04, 11:16 PM That's a good question.
I remember, long ago, somebody said "... needs to be shot with a hammer". I don't remember what was said before that, or who said it, but it's become a classic quote on these boards. It's been in so many sigs, quoted so often, etc. I wish I could meet who said it originally and give that guy a medal.
TO shoot somebody with a hammer, you need a gnome hammer launcher, obviously. ;) :DI remember that wuote too. Something like "Your DM needs to be shot. With a hammer." But I never found out what it referred to. I imagined that the DM had invented some dumb rule involving hammers or bludgeoning weapons.
Ipsissimus
09-01-04, 11:54 PM We are all guilty of some level of power gaming...just different levels of it, why? Because we want to be affective and have fun at the same time.

You want to class dip, go for it. If you want to take 9 different classes before you reach 20? You are the uber power gamer, but so long as you're having fun and your DM allows it...go for it.
Ma'ElKoth
09-02-04, 12:17 AM IMO barbarian is a hard class to justify dipping into. It seems like something you need to be born to, rather than trained for. Maybe that's just the name though. That was a musing, rahter than a direct response to your character's background. I've always thought that a character coming from a barbaric culture would probably end up with a few fighter levels. Especially the neutral ones that aren't completely attatched to the power of their anger.

When it enhances flavor, powergaming is a good thing. Also, I have found that a person who knows how to powergame is going to be a person who doesn't need to have the damn rules explained to them every five seconds (I could really do without one of my players.)

Oh, and I always figured that Wood elves were a little tribal and dumb. I miss the 3.0 wood elf though. (Take a moon elf, cross him with an orc, combine the stat bonuses and penalties, and what do you get? The wood elf.)
darkwing_bmf
09-02-04, 01:23 AM I think as long as you're sticking to Player's Handbook only and not all kinds of weird prestiege cross dressing class combinations from other sources, you're doing ok.
amethal
09-03-04, 09:50 PM If you want a fast character, then barbarian is the easiest way to do it.

It'll also give you semi decent skills (unlike fighter) so you'll have more to keep you occupied in the game - surely its more fun to roleplay what your barbarian does when he hears the evil clerics conspiring at the back of the tavern than to roleplay the fighter who remains oblivious to everything because he has hardly any skill points and a poor list of class skills to choose from.

Its also hard to roleplay a character who is dead because he didn't have enough hit points as a result of the player wanting to make sure everyone knew he wasn't a powergamer!

If you don't want to play a higher level barbarian, then its a perfectly valid roleplaying choice to have him switch to more civilised combat techniques once he has left his tribe.

Its not like you are contemplating advancing as a fighter to 4th level to get weapon specialisation as fast as possible, then switching to barbarian for the rage, then switching back to fighter to get greater weapon focus as soon as you can. Even then, if your fourth level fighter had been adventuring amongst the barbarian tribes for months before getting enough XP for 5th level, then it makes sense to take a barbarian level, just as his barbarian friends may take a level in fighter to reflect the techniques he has been teaching them.
king_of_evil007
09-03-04, 10:49 PM Well, it depends what you view the class as. If you view the class not only as your statistics, but also a description of who you are, then there's no reason to multiclass from something to a Barbarian. Or not many reasons.

But if (like me) you view the Barbarian as a style of combat I can easliy see somebody deciding to give in to their inner rage and begin ripping things up, while honing his body to levels not even a Fighter can achieve. Change the name to Berserker or Rager and the whole cultural thing just falls away.

As for being a Fighter for specialization, being a Barb for a few levels, then getting GWF... why not? So Hal begins his life as a Fighter, training hard to learn how to use his sword as best his can. When he reaches his peak (at that time) he begins putting his body through more rigorous tests to become tougher (better HD), faster, more skillful and attentive (skills) and being capable of temprarily breaking the limit. Then, after a bit of that, he realizes that he hasn't reached his peak with the sword, and begins taking levels in Fighter. Since the training is more in swordplay than actual physical hardship, his HP doesn't go up as fast and he gets less skill points, but the extra feats (and eventually GWF) represent his specialized training.
Makes sense to e.
trapspringer
09-03-04, 11:47 PM My advice is that you should do what ever you want. Your DM will respond by doing what ever he wants. You choose to create your character focusing around a concept. Do you like the idea? Good. I think it is neat, too.

Now your DM chooses how to view this. It might be, "Hey, that's novel and unique." It might be, "That stinkin' power gamer, I hate his guts! I hope he dies! Painfully!!!" But ultimately, should you care?

If you do what you think is the right thing to do in a given situation, then you should not fear the results. If you choose to focus on speed with this character because you like the idea, but your enjoyment is hendered by some aspect of your group, then you should switch groups any way.

The worst thing your DM can do is kick you out.

This philosophy can readily be applied to life.
amethal
09-04-04, 06:09 PM My advice is that you should do what ever you want. Your DM will respond by doing what ever he wants. You choose to create your character focusing around a concept. Do you like the idea? Good. I think it is neat, too.

Now your DM chooses how to view this. It might be, "Hey, that's novel and unique." It might be, "That stinkin' power gamer, I hate his guts! I hope he dies! Painfully!!!" But ultimately, should you care?

If you do what you think is the right thing to do in a given situation, then you should not fear the results. If you choose to focus on speed with this character because you like the idea, but your enjoyment is hendered by some aspect of your group, then you should switch groups any way.

The worst thing your DM can do is kick you out.

This philosophy can readily be applied to life.
This is all good stuff.

I have no experience of a DM kicking out a player, but if it happens hopefully it wasn't the only game in town.

As the quote said, play your character how you want. The whole point of roleplaying is that it gives you an opportunity to say "Who cares what anyone else thinks" without running the risk of being kicked to death in some alley somewhere (in real life) whilst giving plenty of opportunities to save the planet (during the game).
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht
09-04-04, 07:03 PM Ahhh... I still don't get it. Seriously, is this based on an actual incident in someone's game?

It was based on something green_yawgmoth said a while back. The full quote was: "This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Your DM needs to be shot. With a hammer."

It was humorous because the solution made no sense whatsoever either.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
kirsdarke 08-31-04, 07:05 PM	uh, im taking a level in barbarian before my levels in fighter because im building a character based on mobility and speed, and i needed the fast movement ability. is this considerd "power gaming"? thx
Xeven the Mighty 08-31-04, 07:09 PM	Yes. It is. Why not just ask your DM if you can take Fast Movement as a feat instead? Just explain what you are trying to do, and he might like it enough to help you.
bitnine 08-31-04, 07:20 PM	There's also a feat called "Dash" in CW. Granted it only grants +5 to movement in light/no armor, but it is a movement-boosting option.
kirsdarke 08-31-04, 07:26 PM	hmm i'll try... but then if he says yes and lets it stack withbarb ability ill be tempted to take the level again. i doubt id do rage much because i do not like the fatigue with my somewhat low con score heres what my speeds looking like at how im planned (joining party level 8) Base speed: 30 ft. Barb Fast movement: 10 ft. Boots of striding & sprinining 10 ft. Chain shirt of quickness 5 ft. ========================== total speed 55 ft. next level it'll be the dash feat for 5 more feet of speed. wonder what i'll do then. fun would be x-classing into barbarian seriously. now thatd be some fun stuff. chain shirt of quickness is from the psionics handbook, i'm assuming he wouldn't let me have what i'd call lightning greaves for extra speed
the Horc 08-31-04, 07:33 PM	There is no shame in powergaming. Embrace it. Love it. Cheating, however, deserves to be beaten with a stick, then shot with the hammer.
kirsdarke 08-31-04, 09:08 PM	noooooooo i play the game for fun, and have fun. id rather have a straightforward class such as 8 levels in something and then work on a prestige class or a multiclass. i guess im gonna go barbarian straight after this, it looks to be a fun class. cool thing is i dont forget how to read! :whatsthis thanks
the Horc 08-31-04, 09:42 PM	Do what you want. My friends are all powergamers, but they will also stay with the flavor of what they are.
Endarire 09-01-04, 03:33 AM	3 and 3.5 encourage multiclassing among non-casters. For example, going Rogue2/Barbarian1/Fighter1 probably nets more benefit than 4 levels in one of those classes. Having fun and being powerful aren't mutually exclusive. If you care significantly about your stats, significantly consider your power level; otherwise, don't. -EE
LoneTear 09-01-04, 04:46 AM	Powergaming and MinMaxing are only other faces of the same medal. Someone love to roleplay free from the rules, eventually creating new feats on the fly, new PrCs etc etc. Others like to roleplay having a perfectly minmaxed character (All people minmax themself even in real life, why a character should not do the same?) within the boundaries of what WotC gives you in official releases. I think you have chosen a nice path. Go and try the great magic of multiclass, which opens you a great number of options and class features to customize you character as you like it. Good luck.
shirasaya25 09-01-04, 07:50 AM	uh, im taking a level in barbarian before my levels in fighter because im building a character based on mobility and speed, and i needed the fast movement ability. is this considerd "power gaming"? I would say that choosing to multi-class into a particular character class merely to pick up their abilities would be considered "power gaming". However, if there was a valid roleplaying reason for multi-classing into barbarian in order to fit the image of the character you are creating then I believe it would not be considered "power gaming". Bear in mind that I do not think there is anything wrong with min/maxing or powergaming, if that is the style of play that you and your group are choosing. These terms are often used in a very derogative manner, but they are merely another way to play the exact same game that the "roleplayers" are playing, just in a different manner. Sometimes it gets easy to foget that everyone is here to have fun and if you and your group have fun by "power gaming", that is just as valid as a "deep imersion" group that does not even play with dice.
der_gogo 09-01-04, 07:54 AM	Well, this is NOT powergaming, this is making a flavourful character. Why not have a guy that was raised in a barbarian tribe as a warrior (1 lvl Barb) and then began training as a professional Fighter after leaving his clan, relying on the things he learned there? Powergaming is a very different thing imho....
der_gogo 09-01-04, 08:01 AM	.... (All people minmax themself even in real life, why a character should not do the same?) ... Do they? I don't think so. Me, for example. I tend to eat more than I need when a meal is really good. I drink alcohol. My friends smoke, and so I sometimes smoke passivly. So I am not min/maxing. I also could do a lot more sports in my freetime... etc. etc.
LoneTear 09-01-04, 08:11 AM	Do you like something more than other? Do you know something more than other? Do you practice something more than other? You are minmaxing. Are you an expert in D&D or music or something other (and you like to know more about those thing(s))? You are minmaxing those fields. Almost every person tend to specialize in one or more fields. That is "self-minmaxing". This is not only a physical or "body/muscle" matter. You can MinMax your mind too.
markhaus 09-01-04, 09:25 AM	Taking a level of barbarian at 1st level is REALLY nice. Fighters are shafted on skills, those bonus 8 from 1st level barb will really help. If you REALLY want to avoid the problems inherent in multiclassing ask the DM for +10 movement from a feat. Either way explain the character concept to your DM and he might think it is neat. (take spring attack and your character will really shine) A lawful barbarian cant rage. If you want to purposely reduce power make your character lawful, or just never rage (a personal decision. he doesnt want to lose control in combat)
kirsdarke 09-01-04, 10:26 AM	Why not have a guy that was raised in a barbarian tribe as a warrior (1 lvl Barb) and then began training as a professional Fighter after leaving his clan, relying on the things he learned there? stupid psychic, that was my justification! thief! :D lol gogo YOu can see the item i made that might fix my dilemma HERE (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=4276597#post4276597) Its a wood elf character, and i always assumed to myself that wood elves were somewhat primitive and tribal (-2 to intell), but thats just me, so barb as first level would be natural, even though dfavored class is ranger o.O
MattD121 09-01-04, 10:34 AM	I never thought of wood elves as tribal or stupid... wild elves perhaps but I always thought wood elves were just... woodsy.
kirsdarke 09-01-04, 07:28 PM	woodsy... i just figured they'd not be tribal because for osme reason i ogt scottish clans stuck in my head when io read up on them.
Jaerom Darkwind 09-01-04, 10:37 PM	There is no shame in powergaming. Embrace it. Love it. Cheating, however, deserves to be beaten with a stick, then shot with the hammer.Something I've been meaning to ask for a while: How do you shoot someone with a hammer? (Or how did someone attempt to do so once?)
BlaineTog 09-01-04, 11:08 PM	Something I've been meaning to ask for a while: How do you shoot someone with a hammer?Well, its really quite simple: Take a hammer. Shoot them with it.See? :D
Jaerom Darkwind 09-01-04, 11:10 PM	Well, its really quite simple: Take a hammer. Shoot them with it.See? :DAhhh... I still don't get it. Seriously, is this based on an actual incident in someone's game?
king_of_evil007 09-01-04, 11:12 PM	That's a good question. I remember, long ago, somebody said "... needs to be shot with a hammer". I don't remember what was said before that, or who said it, but it's become a classic quote on these boards. It's been in so many sigs, quoted so often, etc. I wish I could meet who said it originally and give that guy a medal. TO shoot somebody with a hammer, you need a gnome hammer launcher, obviously. ;) :D Ontopic... It could be considered powergaming, but your guy isn't going to be destroying the planet. What you need to be worried about is if you can destroy the planet. (I believe somebody did the Earth's HP once) In all seriousness, you are powergaming, but you aren't ridiculously powergaming. If you're trying to find ways around rules and doing things that are definitely wrong (like making your own unbalanced PrC and using it) it would be bad, but right now, you're just making yourself better the smart way. You aren't a really bad powergamer. I'd be careful though of those multiclassing penalties...
Jaerom Darkwind 09-01-04, 11:16 PM	That's a good question. I remember, long ago, somebody said "... needs to be shot with a hammer". I don't remember what was said before that, or who said it, but it's become a classic quote on these boards. It's been in so many sigs, quoted so often, etc. I wish I could meet who said it originally and give that guy a medal. TO shoot somebody with a hammer, you need a gnome hammer launcher, obviously. ;) :DI remember that wuote too. Something like "Your DM needs to be shot. With a hammer." But I never found out what it referred to. I imagined that the DM had invented some dumb rule involving hammers or bludgeoning weapons.
Ipsissimus 09-01-04, 11:54 PM	We are all guilty of some level of power gaming...just different levels of it, why? Because we want to be affective and have fun at the same time. You want to class dip, go for it. If you want to take 9 different classes before you reach 20? You are the uber power gamer, but so long as you're having fun and your DM allows it...go for it.
Ma'ElKoth 09-02-04, 12:17 AM	IMO barbarian is a hard class to justify dipping into. It seems like something you need to be born to, rather than trained for. Maybe that's just the name though. That was a musing, rahter than a direct response to your character's background. I've always thought that a character coming from a barbaric culture would probably end up with a few fighter levels. Especially the neutral ones that aren't completely attatched to the power of their anger. When it enhances flavor, powergaming is a good thing. Also, I have found that a person who knows how to powergame is going to be a person who doesn't need to have the damn rules explained to them every five seconds (I could really do without one of my players.) Oh, and I always figured that Wood elves were a little tribal and dumb. I miss the 3.0 wood elf though. (Take a moon elf, cross him with an orc, combine the stat bonuses and penalties, and what do you get? The wood elf.)
darkwing_bmf 09-02-04, 01:23 AM	I think as long as you're sticking to Player's Handbook only and not all kinds of weird prestiege cross dressing class combinations from other sources, you're doing ok.
amethal 09-03-04, 09:50 PM	If you want a fast character, then barbarian is the easiest way to do it. It'll also give you semi decent skills (unlike fighter) so you'll have more to keep you occupied in the game - surely its more fun to roleplay what your barbarian does when he hears the evil clerics conspiring at the back of the tavern than to roleplay the fighter who remains oblivious to everything because he has hardly any skill points and a poor list of class skills to choose from. Its also hard to roleplay a character who is dead because he didn't have enough hit points as a result of the player wanting to make sure everyone knew he wasn't a powergamer! If you don't want to play a higher level barbarian, then its a perfectly valid roleplaying choice to have him switch to more civilised combat techniques once he has left his tribe. Its not like you are contemplating advancing as a fighter to 4th level to get weapon specialisation as fast as possible, then switching to barbarian for the rage, then switching back to fighter to get greater weapon focus as soon as you can. Even then, if your fourth level fighter had been adventuring amongst the barbarian tribes for months before getting enough XP for 5th level, then it makes sense to take a barbarian level, just as his barbarian friends may take a level in fighter to reflect the techniques he has been teaching them.
king_of_evil007 09-03-04, 10:49 PM	Well, it depends what you view the class as. If you view the class not only as your statistics, but also a description of who you are, then there's no reason to multiclass from something to a Barbarian. Or not many reasons. But if (like me) you view the Barbarian as a style of combat I can easliy see somebody deciding to give in to their inner rage and begin ripping things up, while honing his body to levels not even a Fighter can achieve. Change the name to Berserker or Rager and the whole cultural thing just falls away. As for being a Fighter for specialization, being a Barb for a few levels, then getting GWF... why not? So Hal begins his life as a Fighter, training hard to learn how to use his sword as best his can. When he reaches his peak (at that time) he begins putting his body through more rigorous tests to become tougher (better HD), faster, more skillful and attentive (skills) and being capable of temprarily breaking the limit. Then, after a bit of that, he realizes that he hasn't reached his peak with the sword, and begins taking levels in Fighter. Since the training is more in swordplay than actual physical hardship, his HP doesn't go up as fast and he gets less skill points, but the extra feats (and eventually GWF) represent his specialized training. Makes sense to e.
trapspringer 09-03-04, 11:47 PM	My advice is that you should do what ever you want. Your DM will respond by doing what ever he wants. You choose to create your character focusing around a concept. Do you like the idea? Good. I think it is neat, too. Now your DM chooses how to view this. It might be, "Hey, that's novel and unique." It might be, "That stinkin' power gamer, I hate his guts! I hope he dies! Painfully!!!" But ultimately, should you care? If you do what you think is the right thing to do in a given situation, then you should not fear the results. If you choose to focus on speed with this character because you like the idea, but your enjoyment is hendered by some aspect of your group, then you should switch groups any way. The worst thing your DM can do is kick you out. This philosophy can readily be applied to life.
amethal 09-04-04, 06:09 PM	My advice is that you should do what ever you want. Your DM will respond by doing what ever he wants. You choose to create your character focusing around a concept. Do you like the idea? Good. I think it is neat, too. Now your DM chooses how to view this. It might be, "Hey, that's novel and unique." It might be, "That stinkin' power gamer, I hate his guts! I hope he dies! Painfully!!!" But ultimately, should you care? If you do what you think is the right thing to do in a given situation, then you should not fear the results. If you choose to focus on speed with this character because you like the idea, but your enjoyment is hendered by some aspect of your group, then you should switch groups any way. The worst thing your DM can do is kick you out. This philosophy can readily be applied to life. This is all good stuff. I have no experience of a DM kicking out a player, but if it happens hopefully it wasn't the only game in town. As the quote said, play your character how you want. The whole point of roleplaying is that it gives you an opportunity to say "Who cares what anyone else thinks" without running the risk of being kicked to death in some alley somewhere (in real life) whilst giving plenty of opportunities to save the planet (during the game).
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 09-04-04, 07:03 PM	Ahhh... I still don't get it. Seriously, is this based on an actual incident in someone's game? It was based on something green_yawgmoth said a while back. The full quote was: "This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Your DM needs to be shot. With a hammer." It was humorous because the solution made no sense whatsoever either.