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groveborn

06-11-07, 04:36 PM		I'm sure it's been done somewhere, in some system, but here's what I propose.

Instead of picking a Class, pick class features. Boil each class feature into a certain number of points, and let a player choose them as they level.

1d4 hit points...Free (take one per level only)
1d12 hit points... 4 points (take one per level only)
Bonus Fighter Feat.... 2 points
Bonus Blah blah.... blah points

Some should stack, while others should not. Some should be able to be taken more than once per level, others should not. Spell casting is chancy, since there's a near infinite number of ways to do it. Say, wizard casting is cheaper than sorcerer casting, but the number of spells per day included in the package is what ultimately defines how much it would cost. And should these class points be allowed to be saved? I'm of two minds on that.

It could be interesting what we can come up with. This could easily rework the entire system into something that allows real muliclassing, without upending a campaign. After all, what use is some of the default class features if you simply never have a chance to use them?
groveborn

06-11-07, 06:45 PM		I've estimated this: (Copy and past in Notepad, then open in browser)

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<td class=xl25>Bardic Music, Suggestion</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Medium Armor Proficiency</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Light Armor Proficiency</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Mighty Rage</td>
<td align=right x:num>3</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Greater Rage, Rage +6</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Must Be (alignment)</td>
<td align=right x:num>-3</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Nature Sense</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Outsider (natural outsider)</td>
<td align=right x:num>4</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>level 15</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Paladin Spells +1</td>
<td align=right x:num>5</td>
<td class=xl25>1/level</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td>Caster level = 1/2</td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Rage +1/day</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Unlimited</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Ranger Casting +1</td>
<td align=right x:num>15</td>
<td class=xl25>1/level</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td>Caster level = 1/2</td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Resist Nature's Lure</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Revmove Disease +1/Week</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Unlimited</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Rogue Special Ability</td>
<td align=right x:num>2</td>
<td class=xl25>Unlimited</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Save + 1</td>
<td align=right x:num>3</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>School Specialization</td>
<td align=right x:num>0</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Wizard Casting 1</td>
<td>Can be taken only when you first take Wizard Casting</td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Scribe Scroll</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Self Healing</td>
<td align=right x:num>3</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Shield Proficiency (No Tower)</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Simple Weapons Proficiency</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Skill Points</td>
<td align=right x:num>0.25</td>
<td class=xl25>Unlimited</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Slow Fall (20ft)</td>
<td align=right x:num>2</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Slow Fall +10ft</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Unlimited</td>
<td class=xl25>Slow Fall (any)</td>
<td>Becomes unlimited feet after 100 feet</td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Smite Chaos +1/day</td>
<td align=right x:num>3</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Non Chaotic</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Smite Evil +1/day</td>
<td align=right x:num>3</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Non Evil</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Smite Good +1/day</td>
<td align=right x:num>3</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Non Good</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Smite Law +1/day</td>
<td align=right x:num>3</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Non Lawful</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Sneak Attack +1d6</td>
<td align=right x:num>4</td>
<td class=xl25>1/level</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Song of Freedom</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Bardic Music</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Sorcerer Casting +1</td>
<td align=right x:num>15</td>
<td class=xl25>1/level</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Special Mount</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Starting Gold 2d4X10</td>
<td align=right x:num>2</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td rowspan=6 class=xl24 width=378 style='width:284pt'>Only one can be taken,
and one MUST be taken at first level</td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Starting Gold 3d4X10</td>
<td align=right x:num>3</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Staring Gold 4d4X10</td>
<td align=right x:num>4</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Starting Gold 5d4</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Starting Gold 5d4X10</td>
<td align=right x:num>5</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Starting Gold 6d4X10</td>
<td align=right x:num>6</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Still Mind</td>
<td align=right x:num>2</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Summon Familiar</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Arcane Spell Casting</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Swift Tracker</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Timeless Body</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Tireless Rage</td>
<td align=right x:num>3</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Rage +3</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Tongues</td>
<td align=right x:num>3</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Tower Shield Proficiency</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Trackless Step</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Trap Sense +1</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Unlimited</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Trapfinding</td>
<td align=right x:num>3</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Turn or Rebuke Undead</td>
<td align=right x:num>3</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td>1/2 cost for 1/2 level</td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Unarmed Strike</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Uncanny Dodge</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Wild Empathy</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Wild Shape (Elemental)</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Wild Shape 6/day</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Wild Shape (Huge)</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Wild Shape 3/day</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Wild Shape (Large)</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Wild Shape 2/day</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Wild Shape (Plant)</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Wild Shape 3/day</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Wild Shape (Tiny)</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25>Wild Shape 3/day</td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Wild Shape +1/day</td>
<td align=right x:num>3</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Wizard Casting +1</td>
<td align=right x:num>15</td>
<td class=xl25>1/level</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>
<td height=17 style='height:12.75pt'>Woodland Stride</td>
<td align=right x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25 x:num>1</td>
<td class=xl25></td>
<td></td>
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Using this I've determined that with 30 points per level, you can make the base classes without any problem...though you end up with about 2 points left over in some. I didn't test all classes, just Wiz, sorc, paladin, fighter, and monk.
DM Denubis

06-11-07, 06:51 PM		Numerical systems tend not to work very well. You're basically making your own system, and it stops being D&D. There are, however, plenty of other systems that do use such a system. I recommend checking them out.