Animate Dead and multiple classes [Archive] - Wizards Community

Animate Dead and multiple classes [Archive] - Wizards Community

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baelzemon_2200
12-05-07, 08:43 PM I am trying to work out an interesting problem I have gotten myself into.
I want to make a character using the Ultimate Adventurer (from the Ultimate Classes that are on these boards) with my base classes for it being Ultimate Necromancer and Dread Necromancer

Dread Necromancer possesses an ability that reads: "Undead Mastery: All undead creatures created by the Dread Necromancer gain ... ... ... In addition, when a Dread Necromancer uses the animate dead spell to create undead she may control 4 + her charisma bonus worth of hit die of undead per caster level ..."
Ultimate Necromancer possess 2 abilities, which read: "Lord of the Dead (Ex): All undead created by the necromancer fall automatically under his control, unless that would make him control more undead than he can. He also controls undead as if he had 2 more necromancer levels." and "Army of the Dead (Su): At 16th level, as long as the legion is concentrating, he can control ten times the number of undead he otherwise could."

Now my problem is, I dont know how they work together for the purposes of determining the amount of undead that can be controlled. I believe the Dread Necromancer's ability only works when you cast Animate Dead as a Dread Necromancer, and that the same type of thing applies for Lord of the Dead as an Ultimate Necromancer.
However, Army of the Dead says nothing about casting the spell, just that the number you can control is increased by a factor of 10. A similar problem arrises with Rod of Undead Control. They dont say anything about what occurs you have multiple forms of access to the spell.

Does anyone want to offer some clarification for me?

For those requesting, here is link to the Ultimate Necromancer - http://www.liquidmateria.info/wiki/Ultimate_Necromancer
vorpo
12-05-07, 10:15 PM Can you link to ultimate necro?
Nick Kahoshi
12-06-07, 10:30 AM What level are you? Thats a somewhat important detail, but basically treat each class separately, find out how much HD they would control individually and then add them together.
katarl
12-07-07, 06:08 AM Ultimate Adventurer? Aside from the flavour issues of this, your dm let you play this? The ultimate classes were an attempt at rebalancing, they are significantly more powerful than their non-ultimate counterparts.

Since this is one class, you don't have to take them seperately, the RAW allows you to keep them. Here's how i would do it:

Undead mastery allows you (4+charisma) times caster level
Lord of the dead increases caster level by two
Army of the dead increases this to (40+charisma) times (caster level +2)

You don't multiply the charisma, because you don't do that with the rod of undead mastery, you multiply the base number.

Though if you used the rod, it would increase to (44+charisma), not 80 plus cha.

Regardless, that's a lot of undead. Did your dm really think this through?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
baelzemon_2200 12-05-07, 08:43 PM	I am trying to work out an interesting problem I have gotten myself into. I want to make a character using the Ultimate Adventurer (from the Ultimate Classes that are on these boards) with my base classes for it being Ultimate Necromancer and Dread Necromancer Dread Necromancer possesses an ability that reads: "Undead Mastery: All undead creatures created by the Dread Necromancer gain ... ... ... In addition, when a Dread Necromancer uses the animate dead spell to create undead she may control 4 + her charisma bonus worth of hit die of undead per caster level ..." Ultimate Necromancer possess 2 abilities, which read: "Lord of the Dead (Ex): All undead created by the necromancer fall automatically under his control, unless that would make him control more undead than he can. He also controls undead as if he had 2 more necromancer levels." and "Army of the Dead (Su): At 16th level, as long as the legion is concentrating, he can control ten times the number of undead he otherwise could." Now my problem is, I dont know how they work together for the purposes of determining the amount of undead that can be controlled. I believe the Dread Necromancer's ability only works when you cast Animate Dead as a Dread Necromancer, and that the same type of thing applies for Lord of the Dead as an Ultimate Necromancer. However, Army of the Dead says nothing about casting the spell, just that the number you can control is increased by a factor of 10. A similar problem arrises with Rod of Undead Control. They dont say anything about what occurs you have multiple forms of access to the spell. Does anyone want to offer some clarification for me? For those requesting, here is link to the Ultimate Necromancer - http://www.liquidmateria.info/wiki/Ultimate_Necromancer
vorpo 12-05-07, 10:15 PM	Can you link to ultimate necro?
Nick Kahoshi 12-06-07, 10:30 AM	What level are you? Thats a somewhat important detail, but basically treat each class separately, find out how much HD they would control individually and then add them together.
katarl 12-07-07, 06:08 AM	Ultimate Adventurer? Aside from the flavour issues of this, your dm let you play this? The ultimate classes were an attempt at rebalancing, they are significantly more powerful than their non-ultimate counterparts. Since this is one class, you don't have to take them seperately, the RAW allows you to keep them. Here's how i would do it: Undead mastery allows you (4+charisma) times caster level Lord of the dead increases caster level by two Army of the dead increases this to (40+charisma) times (caster level +2) You don't multiply the charisma, because you don't do that with the rod of undead mastery, you multiply the base number. Though if you used the rod, it would increase to (44+charisma), not 80 plus cha. Regardless, that's a lot of undead. Did your dm really think this through?