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ArkhamInmate
12-19-07, 07:27 PM has access to all skills besides the Factotum?
vorpo
12-19-07, 07:32 PM No other base classes. Exemplar, a PrC, gets all skills too though
Kelmourne
12-19-07, 07:43 PM Do you really need all skills? I think your best bet is rouge.
The_Shaman
12-19-07, 07:48 PM has access to all skills besides the Factotum?

There's the expert, but it's a NPC class. Also, a human or doppleganger can get the able learner feat, which iirc pretty much makes any skill a class skill. Are you looking for anything in particular?

P.S.: It's rogue, people.
vorpo
12-19-07, 07:57 PM There's the expert, but it's a NPC class. Also, a human or doppleganger can get the able learner feat, which iirc pretty much makes any skill a class skill. Are you looking for anything in particular?

P.S.: It's rogue, people.

The only downside of Able Learner is that it's still capped as cross-class skills.
ArkhamInmate
12-19-07, 08:02 PM The reason I'm wondering, is because in the campaign world i'm working on, i've made gnomes a culture with an ultra advanced educational system and i was kinda wondering what would be a good favored class for them
vorpo
12-19-07, 08:06 PM The reason I'm wondering, is because in the campaign world i'm working on, i've made gnomes a culture with an ultra advanced educational system and i was kinda wondering what would be a good favored class for them

Make it a racial ability that they can select a number of skills as class skills no matter what and leave the favored class unchanged?
Fireclave
12-19-07, 08:27 PM The reason I'm wondering, is because in the campaign world i'm working on, i've made gnomes a culture with an ultra advanced educational system and i was kinda wondering what would be a good favored class for them
Bards make great sages.
JaronK
12-19-07, 08:38 PM The NPC Expert class can pick one of any 10 class skills. If you allow the Unearthed Arcana version, that might make an interesting favored class.

JaronK
Kelmourne
12-19-07, 09:00 PM The reason I'm wondering, is because in the campaign world i'm working on, i've made gnomes a culture with an ultra advanced educational system and i was kinda wondering what would be a good favored class for them

Wizard
Wih
12-19-07, 09:21 PM NPC Expert and Human Paragon can choose their class skills. Factotum gets all class skills, as does Exemplar. The Able Learner feat makes it so that buying cross-class skills costs only 1 skill point.
But overall, Vorpo's suggestion sounds good. Maybe gives Gnomes the ability to pick a skill or two at character creation that will always be in-class (similar to the class feature of the Human Paragon).
Though I have this odd feeling that I've seen a Gnome variant that did something similar. I think it was from Dragonlance...they either got massive bonuses with a specific skill, but always had to keep it maxed, or they could get any skill, but were limited to cross-class skill ranks...can anyone else verify if my memory is correct?
Bopple
12-19-07, 10:39 PM The only downside of Able Learner is that it's still capped as cross-class skills.
Yeah, but once multiclassed, it's not an issue.
vorpo
12-19-07, 10:46 PM Yeah, but once multiclassed, it's not an issue.

Mostly, yes. As long as all your needed/invested skills are class skills of the classes. If not, they are still capped at half.
Amaril
12-19-07, 11:24 PM has access to all skills besides the Factotum?

Savant from Dragon Compendium.
InkBlot
12-19-07, 11:43 PM The reason I'm wondering, is because in the campaign world i'm working on, i've made gnomes a culture with an ultra advanced educational system and i was kinda wondering what would be a good favored class for them

In areas of the Eberron campaign setting where they have advanced education systems, characters can take a feat called Educated. It makes all Knowledge skills permanent class skills. I suggest making Educated a racial feat for gnomes in your game, or replacing one of their racial abilities with Educated as a bonus feat.
vorpo
12-19-07, 11:59 PM I will second Inkbot's suggestion. Some skills just don't seem like the type you would learn from schooling (such as spot, listen, sense motive etc)
Sinfire Titan
12-20-07, 01:29 AM Savant from Dragon Compendium.

QFT.
vorpo
12-20-07, 01:13 PM QFT.

short for?
Amaril
12-20-07, 01:16 PM short for?

Quoted For Truth
Mercurius
12-20-07, 01:23 PM Yeah, I just give the gnomes in my campaign the Educated feat from Eberron as a racial bonus (part of their newer racial suite, replacing the bonuses against giants and kobolds, neither of which is native to gnome lands).

Educated is a good choice for this. Similarly, bards have all knowledges, and the handy-dandy bardic knowledge ability, both of which are helpful to model the knowledge one can get via a decent educational system.
Sinfire Titan
12-20-07, 02:14 PM Quoted For Truthery

Fixed.
PoorHobo
12-20-07, 08:41 PM Bards make great sages.

Agreed, just make it the Bardic Sage Variant as the favored class

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
ArkhamInmate 12-19-07, 07:27 PM	has access to all skills besides the Factotum?
vorpo 12-19-07, 07:32 PM	No other base classes. Exemplar, a PrC, gets all skills too though
Kelmourne 12-19-07, 07:43 PM	Do you really need all skills? I think your best bet is rouge.
The_Shaman 12-19-07, 07:48 PM	has access to all skills besides the Factotum? There's the expert, but it's a NPC class. Also, a human or doppleganger can get the able learner feat, which iirc pretty much makes any skill a class skill. Are you looking for anything in particular? P.S.: It's rogue, people.
vorpo 12-19-07, 07:57 PM	There's the expert, but it's a NPC class. Also, a human or doppleganger can get the able learner feat, which iirc pretty much makes any skill a class skill. Are you looking for anything in particular? P.S.: It's rogue, people. The only downside of Able Learner is that it's still capped as cross-class skills.
ArkhamInmate 12-19-07, 08:02 PM	The reason I'm wondering, is because in the campaign world i'm working on, i've made gnomes a culture with an ultra advanced educational system and i was kinda wondering what would be a good favored class for them
vorpo 12-19-07, 08:06 PM	The reason I'm wondering, is because in the campaign world i'm working on, i've made gnomes a culture with an ultra advanced educational system and i was kinda wondering what would be a good favored class for them Make it a racial ability that they can select a number of skills as class skills no matter what and leave the favored class unchanged?
Fireclave 12-19-07, 08:27 PM	The reason I'm wondering, is because in the campaign world i'm working on, i've made gnomes a culture with an ultra advanced educational system and i was kinda wondering what would be a good favored class for them Bards make great sages.
JaronK 12-19-07, 08:38 PM	The NPC Expert class can pick one of any 10 class skills. If you allow the Unearthed Arcana version, that might make an interesting favored class. JaronK
Kelmourne 12-19-07, 09:00 PM	The reason I'm wondering, is because in the campaign world i'm working on, i've made gnomes a culture with an ultra advanced educational system and i was kinda wondering what would be a good favored class for them Wizard
Wih 12-19-07, 09:21 PM	NPC Expert and Human Paragon can choose their class skills. Factotum gets all class skills, as does Exemplar. The Able Learner feat makes it so that buying cross-class skills costs only 1 skill point. But overall, Vorpo's suggestion sounds good. Maybe gives Gnomes the ability to pick a skill or two at character creation that will always be in-class (similar to the class feature of the Human Paragon). Though I have this odd feeling that I've seen a Gnome variant that did something similar. I think it was from Dragonlance...they either got massive bonuses with a specific skill, but always had to keep it maxed, or they could get any skill, but were limited to cross-class skill ranks...can anyone else verify if my memory is correct?
Bopple 12-19-07, 10:39 PM	The only downside of Able Learner is that it's still capped as cross-class skills. Yeah, but once multiclassed, it's not an issue.
vorpo 12-19-07, 10:46 PM	Yeah, but once multiclassed, it's not an issue. Mostly, yes. As long as all your needed/invested skills are class skills of the classes. If not, they are still capped at half.
Amaril 12-19-07, 11:24 PM	has access to all skills besides the Factotum? Savant from Dragon Compendium.
InkBlot 12-19-07, 11:43 PM	The reason I'm wondering, is because in the campaign world i'm working on, i've made gnomes a culture with an ultra advanced educational system and i was kinda wondering what would be a good favored class for them In areas of the Eberron campaign setting where they have advanced education systems, characters can take a feat called Educated. It makes all Knowledge skills permanent class skills. I suggest making Educated a racial feat for gnomes in your game, or replacing one of their racial abilities with Educated as a bonus feat.
vorpo 12-19-07, 11:59 PM	I will second Inkbot's suggestion. Some skills just don't seem like the type you would learn from schooling (such as spot, listen, sense motive etc)
Sinfire Titan 12-20-07, 01:29 AM	Savant from Dragon Compendium. QFT.
vorpo 12-20-07, 01:13 PM	QFT. short for?
Amaril 12-20-07, 01:16 PM	short for? Quoted For Truth
Mercurius 12-20-07, 01:23 PM	Yeah, I just give the gnomes in my campaign the Educated feat from Eberron as a racial bonus (part of their newer racial suite, replacing the bonuses against giants and kobolds, neither of which is native to gnome lands). Educated is a good choice for this. Similarly, bards have all knowledges, and the handy-dandy bardic knowledge ability, both of which are helpful to model the knowledge one can get via a decent educational system.
Sinfire Titan 12-20-07, 02:14 PM	Quoted For Truthery Fixed.
PoorHobo 12-20-07, 08:41 PM	Bards make great sages. Agreed, just make it the Bardic Sage Variant as the favored class