Any classes w/ divine & arcane spell lists? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Any classes w/ divine & arcane spell lists? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Lafarallin
08-07-06, 02:47 PM Are there any classes or even prestige classes that grant base spells out of arcane and divine? I'm not talking about +1 to existing levels either. Just a base class with divine and arcane spell options.....
Pyke_Moonshadow
08-07-06, 02:52 PM Nope, they count as one or the other for spellcasting purposes. I have not seen a divine/arcane caster class.
shadow_kras
08-07-06, 03:16 PM isnt mystic theurge a arcane & divine spellcaster?

Same goes for the true necromancer (revisioned in libris mortis).
Lafarallin
08-07-06, 03:18 PM Thanks for the response. I was thinking about playing an arcane/divine mix and was wondering if there were any core classes out there that fit the mold.
Pyke_Moonshadow
08-07-06, 03:18 PM No, they get a +1 to existing spellcaster class levels.

I have no clue about the True Necromancer.
goawayugh
08-07-06, 03:18 PM those are "+1 to existing arcane/divine caster level", thats not what OP wants.
DM Zoc
08-07-06, 03:37 PM The answer you are looking for would have been the bard, if they had decided to give it two separate casting abilities rather than just making the otherwise wholly "divine" spells into arcane equivalents. As such, you should not be able to find what you are seeking until they change their mind on how things "should be."
pita
08-07-06, 03:45 PM The adept in the DMG has both, but it's a weak class. I've seen something similiar but stronger in the forums about a year ago.
DM Zoc
08-07-06, 04:10 PM The adept in the DMG has both, but it's a weak class. I've seen something similiar but stronger in the forums about a year ago.
Actually, the adept is purely a divine caster.
Lafarallin
08-07-06, 04:23 PM Yeah just checked Adept myself. I'll check out the True Necromancer but I'm guessing that is going to be a prestige class.
shadow_kras
08-07-06, 04:27 PM the true necromancer have +1 arcane spellcasting/ +1 divine spellcasting.
I understand that as he get lvs in both spellcasters table when get a lv, same for the mystic theurge. He has weak hit dice, weak BAB, weak saves and weak skill points, you telling me that class is worth less than a base class or what?

Btw, the true necromancer firstly came in tome&blood for 3.0, he had both spellcasters lv advancement, but had weak abilities besides the spellcasting for divine AND arcane. And the requeriments were huge, 5 lvs in cleric and mage basically (lv10 character, 11 if made using a sorcerer).
In libris mortis the true necromancer, the pale master and the master of shrouds got revised to 3.5 and got way better than they were back in 3.0.
The pale master loses only 1 spellcaster lv now, before he lost 5 in his 10 class lvs...
fearthedwarves
08-07-06, 05:14 PM Well if you don’t mind a homebrew base class then you definitely need to look up Aramek's Blue Mage (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=137596). It is without a doubt one of the best-balanced classes I have ever seen. You can learn divine and arcane spells, although they are always cast as arcane spells.
CzarGarrett
08-08-06, 08:02 AM I believe the Archivist uses both spell lists in their entirety.

To a minor degree, Bards have a few divine spells cast as arcane.
Milo HoBo
08-08-06, 08:09 AM Shujenja has quite a few 'arcane' spells that are cast as divine spells. Really neat class, but I haven't played or studied it.
Morka
08-08-06, 09:51 AM Going gestalt, perhaps?

Or perhaps the Chameleon (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20041210b&page=1). It allows you to cast either divine or arcane spells, but not in the same time. At least, not before level 7!

I wonder why you want a class with base spellcasting both arcane & divine, but not a class with +1 level in each?
HaikenEdge
08-08-06, 10:12 AM If I remember right, the Spellcaster from Unearthed Arcana can be either a divine or arcane spellcasting class; however, you get access to spells on both lists.
forwardxmotion
08-08-06, 01:26 PM maybe you aren't looking for prestige classes, but if you are check out mystic theurge and arcane hierophant (races of the wild). Theurge would be great if you plan on playing a cleric or dread necromancer type, but arcane hierophant is a phenomenal class for druids... you could wildshape and spell cast both divine and arcane spells (assuming you take natural spell as a feat) and the prestige class even lets you channel spells through animals and plants. just a thought...
DM Zoc
08-08-06, 01:31 PM If I may hazard a guess, it sounds to me as though the original poster wants a single class that grants both casting abilities for the purpose of pursuing an otherwise weak prestige class, such as the geomancer.
Pyke_Moonshadow
08-08-06, 01:45 PM I think what the OP wants is a class that counts as both an arcane caster and a divine caster. Several classes can pull spells from various lists but they cast them only one way. The archivist I believe is a divine caster, the bard - arcane, the shugenja - divine, adept - divine.
Rerednaw
08-08-06, 03:15 PM If I may hazard a guess, it sounds to me as though the original poster wants a single class that grants both casting abilities for the purpose of pursuing an otherwise weak prestige class, such as the geomancer.

That was my line of reasoning as well...the issue is then combining this base class with a not-so weak prestige class.

*sniff* Cheese? :D
Orchomenos
08-08-06, 04:28 PM On a side note, a Wizard 5/Ur Priest 1 would cast spells as a 5th level wizard and 3rd level cleric, still better than Wizard 3/Cleric 3. Note: this build doesn't work, it's just for the sake of the caster levels.
Dheran
08-09-06, 02:50 AM There's always straight cleric. Careful choice of domains will add a small number of otherwise arcane spells to their spell lists. Casting domain spells is very restricted without feats or prestige classes, though.
JulesCARV
08-09-06, 03:09 AM Chameleon (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20041210b&page=1), but the Aptitude Focus can't be used to meet feat or prestige class prerequisites if that's what you wanted.
stsword
08-09-06, 03:42 AM There's the Savant from Dragon Compendium by Paizo, which isn't particularly impressive spellcasting wise though. I like the Sha'ir better from the same book, it can cast all sorcerer/wizard spells as well as some domain spells as well.

The idea of a sha'ir/enlightened fist/sacred fist has occured to me in idle thought. :)

Otherwise the closest thing I can find is the Rainbow servant from complete divine, which requires arcane casting but at tenth level gives full access to the complete cleric list of spells. That option might be two high level for you though, since you need to be able to cast 3rd level spells to qualify for it in the first place.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Lafarallin 08-07-06, 02:47 PM	Are there any classes or even prestige classes that grant base spells out of arcane and divine? I'm not talking about +1 to existing levels either. Just a base class with divine and arcane spell options.....
Pyke_Moonshadow 08-07-06, 02:52 PM	Nope, they count as one or the other for spellcasting purposes. I have not seen a divine/arcane caster class.
shadow_kras 08-07-06, 03:16 PM	isnt mystic theurge a arcane & divine spellcaster? Same goes for the true necromancer (revisioned in libris mortis).
Lafarallin 08-07-06, 03:18 PM	Thanks for the response. I was thinking about playing an arcane/divine mix and was wondering if there were any core classes out there that fit the mold.
Pyke_Moonshadow 08-07-06, 03:18 PM	No, they get a +1 to existing spellcaster class levels. I have no clue about the True Necromancer.
goawayugh 08-07-06, 03:18 PM	those are "+1 to existing arcane/divine caster level", thats not what OP wants.
DM Zoc 08-07-06, 03:37 PM	The answer you are looking for would have been the bard, if they had decided to give it two separate casting abilities rather than just making the otherwise wholly "divine" spells into arcane equivalents. As such, you should not be able to find what you are seeking until they change their mind on how things "should be."
pita 08-07-06, 03:45 PM	The adept in the DMG has both, but it's a weak class. I've seen something similiar but stronger in the forums about a year ago.
DM Zoc 08-07-06, 04:10 PM	The adept in the DMG has both, but it's a weak class. I've seen something similiar but stronger in the forums about a year ago. Actually, the adept is purely a divine caster.
Lafarallin 08-07-06, 04:23 PM	Yeah just checked Adept myself. I'll check out the True Necromancer but I'm guessing that is going to be a prestige class.
shadow_kras 08-07-06, 04:27 PM	the true necromancer have +1 arcane spellcasting/ +1 divine spellcasting. I understand that as he get lvs in both spellcasters table when get a lv, same for the mystic theurge. He has weak hit dice, weak BAB, weak saves and weak skill points, you telling me that class is worth less than a base class or what? Btw, the true necromancer firstly came in tome&blood for 3.0, he had both spellcasters lv advancement, but had weak abilities besides the spellcasting for divine AND arcane. And the requeriments were huge, 5 lvs in cleric and mage basically (lv10 character, 11 if made using a sorcerer). In libris mortis the true necromancer, the pale master and the master of shrouds got revised to 3.5 and got way better than they were back in 3.0. The pale master loses only 1 spellcaster lv now, before he lost 5 in his 10 class lvs...
fearthedwarves 08-07-06, 05:14 PM	Well if you don’t mind a homebrew base class then you definitely need to look up Aramek's Blue Mage (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=137596). It is without a doubt one of the best-balanced classes I have ever seen. You can learn divine and arcane spells, although they are always cast as arcane spells.
CzarGarrett 08-08-06, 08:02 AM	I believe the Archivist uses both spell lists in their entirety. To a minor degree, Bards have a few divine spells cast as arcane.
Milo HoBo 08-08-06, 08:09 AM	Shujenja has quite a few 'arcane' spells that are cast as divine spells. Really neat class, but I haven't played or studied it.
Morka 08-08-06, 09:51 AM	Going gestalt, perhaps? Or perhaps the Chameleon (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20041210b&page=1). It allows you to cast either divine or arcane spells, but not in the same time. At least, not before level 7! I wonder why you want a class with base spellcasting both arcane & divine, but not a class with +1 level in each?
HaikenEdge 08-08-06, 10:12 AM	If I remember right, the Spellcaster from Unearthed Arcana can be either a divine or arcane spellcasting class; however, you get access to spells on both lists.
forwardxmotion 08-08-06, 01:26 PM	maybe you aren't looking for prestige classes, but if you are check out mystic theurge and arcane hierophant (races of the wild). Theurge would be great if you plan on playing a cleric or dread necromancer type, but arcane hierophant is a phenomenal class for druids... you could wildshape and spell cast both divine and arcane spells (assuming you take natural spell as a feat) and the prestige class even lets you channel spells through animals and plants. just a thought...
DM Zoc 08-08-06, 01:31 PM	If I may hazard a guess, it sounds to me as though the original poster wants a single class that grants both casting abilities for the purpose of pursuing an otherwise weak prestige class, such as the geomancer.
Pyke_Moonshadow 08-08-06, 01:45 PM	I think what the OP wants is a class that counts as both an arcane caster and a divine caster. Several classes can pull spells from various lists but they cast them only one way. The archivist I believe is a divine caster, the bard - arcane, the shugenja - divine, adept - divine.
Rerednaw 08-08-06, 03:15 PM	If I may hazard a guess, it sounds to me as though the original poster wants a single class that grants both casting abilities for the purpose of pursuing an otherwise weak prestige class, such as the geomancer. That was my line of reasoning as well...the issue is then combining this base class with a not-so weak prestige class. sniff Cheese? :D
Orchomenos 08-08-06, 04:28 PM	On a side note, a Wizard 5/Ur Priest 1 would cast spells as a 5th level wizard and 3rd level cleric, still better than Wizard 3/Cleric 3. Note: this build doesn't work, it's just for the sake of the caster levels.
Dheran 08-09-06, 02:50 AM	There's always straight cleric. Careful choice of domains will add a small number of otherwise arcane spells to their spell lists. Casting domain spells is very restricted without feats or prestige classes, though.
JulesCARV 08-09-06, 03:09 AM	Chameleon (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20041210b&page=1), but the Aptitude Focus can't be used to meet feat or prestige class prerequisites if that's what you wanted.
stsword 08-09-06, 03:42 AM	There's the Savant from Dragon Compendium by Paizo, which isn't particularly impressive spellcasting wise though. I like the Sha'ir better from the same book, it can cast all sorcerer/wizard spells as well as some domain spells as well. The idea of a sha'ir/enlightened fist/sacred fist has occured to me in idle thought. :) Otherwise the closest thing I can find is the Rainbow servant from complete divine, which requires arcane casting but at tenth level gives full access to the complete cleric list of spells. That option might be two high level for you though, since you need to be able to cast 3rd level spells to qualify for it in the first place.