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Xantel 02-28-05, 09:41 PM	im making a VERY epic character for a wierd campaign that me and my DM are doing, and i need some good arcane non-component-casting core or prc classes for him. so far i have 40 sorcerer/20 fighter...and i have 40 levels left to use, so i need some really good ones... (dont ask about the epic EPIC level that were using...^_^;)
al29902 02-28-05, 09:47 PM	Holy Crap! Level 100! That just flat doesn't sound fun! Anyway, since you don't get any class abilities past Level 20, you should probably just focus on your Sorcerer levels to boost that caster level or the Fighter levels for the buttload of bonus feats. Either way, get metamagic out the wazoo. Really, you should probably consider being a wizard instead. You'll have way more spells than a sorcerer at hundredth level. Or, if you want to take it all the way in the opposite direction as an epic warlock. That's got to be interesting... :P
Kaboth 02-28-05, 09:53 PM	Warlocks keep going hell 40 levels of Warlock could do tons...If you can use them, they are in the new Complete Arcane. The Eldritch Blast would be like 20D6 and you would have just about all the Invocations they have not to mention taking stuff to boost DC's, and if he allowed you to take Supernatural Transformation you could blast to hell and back with no SR resistance.
Xantel 02-28-05, 10:34 PM	i wish i had the complete arcane, ive been searchin for someone who can just tell me the stuff i would need to put levels of warlock into him (like the SRD or soemthin along the lines of that). thats why im askin this, to see if anything that could be as good or betetr than putting in a buncha warlock levels.
SuperThread 02-28-05, 10:53 PM	The Eldritch Blast would be like 20D6 and you would have just about all the Invocations they have not to mention taking stuff to boost DC's, and if he allowed you to take Supernatural Transformation you could blast to hell and back with no SR resistance. 20d6 isn't all that great at *20th* level, let alone 100th. Seriously, Epic Warlock is next to worthless. A Warlock 100 deals 50d6 (49d6, actually, IIRC) points of damage every round with, or about 150 on average. A Wizard 100 does 720 with each of the ten or so Quickened Intensified Twinned Enhanced Horrid Wiltings he slings each round (thanks to Multispell, of course)–and of course, he has the option of switching to a couple of Prismatic Sprays or Finger of Deaths or what-have-you, while most of the Warlock's invocations were made obsolete 75 levels ago. Which is better, 150 points of damage each round as a standard action or more than 7000 points of damage each round as ten swift actions? To the original guy: I'd suggest dropping the Fighter levels and going straight Wizard or Sorcerer 100. If you need the BAB, pick up Eldritch Knight. The loss of feats and caster level is nowhere near compensated for by the bennies given by the Fighter.
Kaboth 02-28-05, 11:25 PM	I still think a 100 Warlock could still give a 100 Wizard (or Sorc) a run for their money. Their invocations would be no more obsolete than their spells and warlocks can take feats as well, the wizard and sorc classes are just quite a bit more explored classes.
slade_caizer 02-28-05, 11:31 PM	The only problem is that, like every other epic spellcaster I'm presently aware of, Warlocks get no more invocations beyond 20th. Of course you could be referring to the Extra Invocation feat, but there is only one thing I don't like. You could have most invocations, but never more than 3 Dark. If your DM has homebrewed an epic feat to let you get Dark invocations, then more power to you. In such a case I might just go Warlock 100 as well. No, 49d6 may not be great by then, but saying "ok everyone reflex vs 49d6 and fort vs 2 neg levels" is pretty fun. Not to mention a Cloak of Epic Charisma or something in that spirit could make the DC a real *****.
Kaboth 02-28-05, 11:41 PM	I was refering to the extra invocations feat and yes you are correct about the dark ones. well, its not the greatest thing, but in a combat with a wizard or sorc I would sit there and counterspell everything, consindering they can do it at will. Lest not forget one of their greatest abilities, Decieve Item! They can do wizard scrolls and wands all day long not to mention cleric or any other spells they need. More than likely, the fight would end in a draw with one or the other retreating, in a dual that is.
slade_caizer 02-28-05, 11:47 PM	Lest not forget one of their greatest abilities, Decieve Item! They can do wizard scrolls and wands all day long not to mention cleric or any other spells they need. :D Three words: Craft Epic Staff One Warlock :schemes: Becomes any spellcaster :invasion: So yeah, epic isn't so bad for them as one may think at first....or second.
Kaboth 03-01-05, 12:04 AM	LOL at level 100, they could probably decieve the Wand of Orcus with Ease... "Hey! Listen to me Wand, you are my b!@tch!"
slade_caizer 03-01-05, 12:21 AM	LOL at level 100, they could probably decieve the Wand of Orcus with Ease... "Hey! Listen to me Wand, you are my b!@tch!" Rofl Omg...a warlock mixing and matching the regalia of good/evil. UMD the alignment forever... jeez...my vision is of the party imprisoning Asmodius after spanking him with his own rod.
ArochanoX 03-01-05, 02:47 AM	Maybe elven high mage helps you to develop even more cheaper epic spells. And archmage is always fun. That's +15 levels, otherwise I recommend you to stick to one class to gain caster level benefits.