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Kalor11 11-07-06, 06:25 PM	I had an idea that, if legal, I think would make a pretty potent arcane caster. My question is: is it legal? There's something telling me it's not, but let me lay it out for you and see what you all think. Everything I'm about to describe fits within a literal reading of the rules as contained in the PHB. But they might not fit within the spirit of the rules. You be the judge. I'd like to know what you all think. My idea is simple: Start out as a wizard, but when you reach level 2 (and from there on out) take Sorcerer levels. Why mix the two in one character? Well, it is probably stretching the rules (possibly beyond the point of breaking), but the rules seem to say that a wizard/sorcerer would be the most potent of arcane spell casters. Why? The PHB says that a Wizard can add any spell to their spellbook that they find (via scrolls or other spell books), so long as they can cast a spell of that level. (A wizard that can cast up to level 3 spells, for instance, can add any level 3 or lower spell that they find to their spell book). Fine. That's the big advantage of a wizard over a sorcerer, of course: they can learn more spells. The PHB says that a Sorcerer can spontaneously cast any spell they know, so long as they have remaining unused spell slots of that level for that day. That's the strength of the sorcerer, of course: they don't have to prepare their spells, and have more spell slots per day. So... as the sorcerer adventures and encounters arcane scrolls, they could add those scroll spells to their spellbook. Even though they only have 1 level of wizard, if they can cast level 3 spells (as a sorcerer), then they could add any level 3 or lower spell they find to their spell book -- because it doesn't say "they can add any spell that they can cast as a wizard to their spellbook". It just says that they can add any spell of a level that they can cast, to their spellbook. And as a sorcerer, they could cast any spell they know without preparation. That includes whatever's in their spellbook, because a spellbook is, by definition, included in the list of spells that they know. Right? Would you consider that breaking the rules? If a player brought a character like that to your campaign, would you allow it? I'm curious to hear what others think. Thanks, Kalor11 dlt1@pacbell.net
Crimson_Concerto 11-07-06, 06:36 PM	Doesn't work. Just like all casting classes, the way you cast does not reach outside spells gained from your class, and spells gained from your class don't translate into spells known for another class. It doesn't work even by RAW.
ReverendBSB 11-07-06, 06:41 PM	Yeah, it does not work like that. The only spells you can cast spontaneously are your Sorcerer spells, you cannot mix and match with your Wizard spells. check out Complete Mage for a prestige class called Ultimate Magus (I think) that mixes Sorcerer and Wizard for some of the benefits you want.
Kalor11 11-07-06, 06:50 PM	Thanks, guys. I appreciate the feedback. Something told me it wouldn't work, but the idea was just too attractive to abandon without at least looking into it. regards Kalor11
Crimson_Concerto 11-07-06, 06:52 PM	I actually agree that the idea is cool, and so does WotC, as evidence by the Ultimate Magus already mentioned to be in Complete Mage. I recommend you check it out. I plan on playing on emyself some time tin the future .:D
Vaelan 11-07-06, 08:40 PM	You keep track of spells known and spells per day separately for all of your spellcasting classes. I'm not sure if that is a direct quote from the PHB, but I do know that it is extremely close and can be found in the Classes chapter, near the end I believe.