Archivists are better scholars than wizards? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Archivists are better scholars than wizards? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Rechan
03-06-06, 07:29 PM I'd like to preface this with Archivists are my favorite class. I love their occult feel and flavor and potential.

But I've always thought that The Wizard was the bookish, learned, scholarly class. But look at the Archivist, which not only receives more skill points for knowledge skills, but also gets to apply that knowledge to their teammates for bonuses.

That seems to make the archivists a better representation of the "scholar" role, right?
JulesCARV
03-06-06, 08:03 PM Quick query: does your logic also imply that bards are a more scholarly class than wizards, because they get higher skill points while still having all knowledge skills as in-class, and getting a special knowledge-based class feature (bardic lore)?

It's possible, but it's certainly counterintuitive relative to the "Elan" stereotype of the bard as being lighthearted and slightly silly compared to dour, scholarly classes like wizard, cleric, or archivist.
psychic_infinity
03-06-06, 08:03 PM Yeah, Archivists are great...

I think the reason they get more knowledge bonuses is that wizards learn through research and experimentation (which doesn't always produce expected results), whilst Archivists are more likely to "aquire" their information from other sources, be they willing to relinquish it or otherwise... :cool:
Rechan
03-06-06, 08:08 PM Quick query: does your logic also imply that bards are a more scholarly class than wizards, because they get higher skill points while still having all knowledge skills as in-class, and getting a special knowledge-based class feature (bardic lore)?

It's possible, but it's certainly counterintuitive relative to the "Elan" stereotype of the bard as being lighthearted and slightly silly compared to dour, scholarly classes like wizard, cleric, or archivist.

Well... it really depends. After all, Rogues are variable; you can have the sneak rogue, the social rogue, the acrobat rogue, etc. So you could have the scholar bard as well as the stereotypical minstrel bard.

Another point for bards being more scholarly, or at least more learn-ed, is their "langauges are a class skill" aspect.

Yeah, Archivists are great...

I think the reason they get more knowledge bonuses is that wizards learn through research and experimentation (which doesn't always produce expected results), whilst Archivists are more likely to "aquire" their information from other sources, be they willing to relinquish it or otherwise... :cool:

That's a good point. :) I'd be tempted to say, tear out the wizards' bonus metamagic feats, take the Archivist's abilities and their skill points, and drop it on a Wizard. I wonder if that'd be balanced...

But still, I like the archivist a lot as is. :)

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Rechan 03-06-06, 07:29 PM	I'd like to preface this with Archivists are my favorite class. I love their occult feel and flavor and potential. But I've always thought that The Wizard was the bookish, learned, scholarly class. But look at the Archivist, which not only receives more skill points for knowledge skills, but also gets to apply that knowledge to their teammates for bonuses. That seems to make the archivists a better representation of the "scholar" role, right?
JulesCARV 03-06-06, 08:03 PM	Quick query: does your logic also imply that bards are a more scholarly class than wizards, because they get higher skill points while still having all knowledge skills as in-class, and getting a special knowledge-based class feature (bardic lore)? It's possible, but it's certainly counterintuitive relative to the "Elan" stereotype of the bard as being lighthearted and slightly silly compared to dour, scholarly classes like wizard, cleric, or archivist.
psychic_infinity 03-06-06, 08:03 PM	Yeah, Archivists are great... I think the reason they get more knowledge bonuses is that wizards learn through research and experimentation (which doesn't always produce expected results), whilst Archivists are more likely to "aquire" their information from other sources, be they willing to relinquish it or otherwise... :cool:
Rechan 03-06-06, 08:08 PM	Quick query: does your logic also imply that bards are a more scholarly class than wizards, because they get higher skill points while still having all knowledge skills as in-class, and getting a special knowledge-based class feature (bardic lore)? It's possible, but it's certainly counterintuitive relative to the "Elan" stereotype of the bard as being lighthearted and slightly silly compared to dour, scholarly classes like wizard, cleric, or archivist. Well... it really depends. After all, Rogues are variable; you can have the sneak rogue, the social rogue, the acrobat rogue, etc. So you could have the scholar bard as well as the stereotypical minstrel bard. Another point for bards being more scholarly, or at least more learn-ed, is their "langauges are a class skill" aspect. Yeah, Archivists are great... I think the reason they get more knowledge bonuses is that wizards learn through research and experimentation (which doesn't always produce expected results), whilst Archivists are more likely to "aquire" their information from other sources, be they willing to relinquish it or otherwise... :cool: That's a good point. :) I'd be tempted to say, tear out the wizards' bonus metamagic feats, take the Archivist's abilities and their skill points, and drop it on a Wizard. I wonder if that'd be balanced... But still, I like the archivist a lot as is. :)