Balanced? Virtuoso (S&S) and Swashbuckler (CW) [Archive] - Wizards Community

Balanced? Virtuoso (S&S) and Swashbuckler (CW) [Archive] - Wizards Community

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kSquared
11-09-04, 03:50 PM In a new campaign, I have two different players presenting a problem that I'd like some input on. One wants to play a Virtuoso from S&S; the other wants to play a Swashbuckler from CW. I've never used material from either book. What's the consensus opinion on the balance or broken-ness of these classes?

Thanks!
DwarvinJedi
11-09-04, 04:54 PM Virtuoso is only balanced if you Roleplay, if even slightly powerful, and I love the swashbuckler and hate it when people only take 3 levels of the class to get the Int to damage thing, so I actually say, change the Int to damage to first level, with a cap based on your swashbuckler level., but if you are not worried about dipping with the swashbuckler, it is fine
AngryMonkey
11-09-04, 09:24 PM The revamp that bardic music got under 3.5 has rendered Virtuoso inconpatable with the the current edition of the rules. Specifically, all of the bardic music options are now level dependent rather than "ranks in perform" dependent now.

I would expect Virtuoso to be one of the reprinted PrC's in Complete Adventurer.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
kSquared 11-09-04, 03:50 PM	In a new campaign, I have two different players presenting a problem that I'd like some input on. One wants to play a Virtuoso from S&S; the other wants to play a Swashbuckler from CW. I've never used material from either book. What's the consensus opinion on the balance or broken-ness of these classes? Thanks!
DwarvinJedi 11-09-04, 04:54 PM	Virtuoso is only balanced if you Roleplay, if even slightly powerful, and I love the swashbuckler and hate it when people only take 3 levels of the class to get the Int to damage thing, so I actually say, change the Int to damage to first level, with a cap based on your swashbuckler level., but if you are not worried about dipping with the swashbuckler, it is fine
AngryMonkey 11-09-04, 09:24 PM	The revamp that bardic music got under 3.5 has rendered Virtuoso inconpatable with the the current edition of the rules. Specifically, all of the bardic music options are now level dependent rather than "ranks in perform" dependent now. I would expect Virtuoso to be one of the reprinted PrC's in Complete Adventurer.