Barbarian Rage and Combat Stances/Maneuvers [Archive] - Wizards Community

Barbarian Rage and Combat Stances/Maneuvers [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Munz
02-26-07, 01:37 PM Can a barbarian rage while using a combat option from the Book of Nine Swords?
ZiggZagg
02-26-07, 01:38 PM if you mean can he use manuevers while raging, then yes
fatal error
02-26-07, 01:42 PM Although I would say he could not use anything from Diamond Mind that actually uses a Concentration check, since he can't concentrate while raging. In fact, I might expand that to say he can't use anything from Diamond Mind at all, including stances, simply because it is all based off concentration, even if it doesn't require the check.
Munz
02-27-07, 05:13 PM Although I would say he could not use anything from Diamond Mind that actually uses a Concentration check, since he can't concentrate while raging. In fact, I might expand that to say he can't use anything from Diamond Mind at all, including stances, simply because it is all based off concentration, even if it doesn't require the check.

This was the point I was making. I am not too familar with the book, and was having a conversation with my DM and a fellow player. However, since I too run a game that one of my players may be interested in using the book for, I wanted to understand that much at least.

So, to answer my question, some of it they CAN do, and some of it they can't do. Sooooo.... basically it's up for interpretation with a careful read of the manuever or stance in question to see if it would require the use of concentration or focus.

I think I could simply say "no" when it comes to the barbarian using it while in rage. I mean (to me anyways), the very term of rage and it's benefits as it applies to the game seem to imply a reckless assault/attack.

Well, thanks anyways for your imput.
Templario
02-27-07, 06:54 PM Although I would say he could not use anything from Diamond Mind that actually uses a Concentration check, since he can't concentrate while raging. In fact, I might expand that to say he can't use anything from Diamond Mind at all, including stances, simply because it is all based off concentration, even if it doesn't require the check.

What isn't THAT problem, seeing Tiger Claw is much more appropriate for a Barbarian :D

(my point of view, anyway)
theotherdraxen
02-27-07, 07:01 PM Although I would say he could not use anything from Diamond Mind that actually uses a Concentration check, since he can't concentrate while raging. In fact, I might expand that to say he can't use anything from Diamond Mind at all, including stances, simply because it is all based off concentration, even if it doesn't require the check.

Well, this would certainly be a houserule, so by RAW they can use anything aside from the spell-counter maneuvers (since those require a concentration check). Besides, what's wrong with a barbarian using bounding assault? It's iconic reckless charging.

Although I, too, would advise more into tiger claw myself, since it's more fitting.
fatal error
02-27-07, 07:06 PM Besides, what's wrong with a barbarian using bounding assault? It's iconic reckless charging.

Iconic reckless charging is most certainly not Bounding Assault. The maneuver almost replicates a charge, but doesn't have the -2 AC.
theotherdraxen
02-27-07, 07:45 PM Iconic reckless charging is most certainly not Bounding Assault. The maneuver almost replicates a charge, but doesn't have the -2 AC.

Ooh, I missed that one. Anyway, it looks kind of reckless to me, but that's just my opinion. I'd rather not have flavor-text enforced, though, hence why I don't think it necessary to limit them from the Diamond Mind discipline. Heck, if you're treating Rage like a stance as my friend does, there wouldn't be any reason not to be able to use Diamond Mind maneuvers.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Munz 02-26-07, 01:37 PM	Can a barbarian rage while using a combat option from the Book of Nine Swords?
ZiggZagg 02-26-07, 01:38 PM	if you mean can he use manuevers while raging, then yes
fatal error 02-26-07, 01:42 PM	Although I would say he could not use anything from Diamond Mind that actually uses a Concentration check, since he can't concentrate while raging. In fact, I might expand that to say he can't use anything from Diamond Mind at all, including stances, simply because it is all based off concentration, even if it doesn't require the check.
Munz 02-27-07, 05:13 PM	Although I would say he could not use anything from Diamond Mind that actually uses a Concentration check, since he can't concentrate while raging. In fact, I might expand that to say he can't use anything from Diamond Mind at all, including stances, simply because it is all based off concentration, even if it doesn't require the check. This was the point I was making. I am not too familar with the book, and was having a conversation with my DM and a fellow player. However, since I too run a game that one of my players may be interested in using the book for, I wanted to understand that much at least. So, to answer my question, some of it they CAN do, and some of it they can't do. Sooooo.... basically it's up for interpretation with a careful read of the manuever or stance in question to see if it would require the use of concentration or focus. I think I could simply say "no" when it comes to the barbarian using it while in rage. I mean (to me anyways), the very term of rage and it's benefits as it applies to the game seem to imply a reckless assault/attack. Well, thanks anyways for your imput.
Templario 02-27-07, 06:54 PM	Although I would say he could not use anything from Diamond Mind that actually uses a Concentration check, since he can't concentrate while raging. In fact, I might expand that to say he can't use anything from Diamond Mind at all, including stances, simply because it is all based off concentration, even if it doesn't require the check. What isn't THAT problem, seeing Tiger Claw is much more appropriate for a Barbarian :D (my point of view, anyway)
theotherdraxen 02-27-07, 07:01 PM	Although I would say he could not use anything from Diamond Mind that actually uses a Concentration check, since he can't concentrate while raging. In fact, I might expand that to say he can't use anything from Diamond Mind at all, including stances, simply because it is all based off concentration, even if it doesn't require the check. Well, this would certainly be a houserule, so by RAW they can use anything aside from the spell-counter maneuvers (since those require a concentration check). Besides, what's wrong with a barbarian using bounding assault? It's iconic reckless charging. Although I, too, would advise more into tiger claw myself, since it's more fitting.
fatal error 02-27-07, 07:06 PM	Besides, what's wrong with a barbarian using bounding assault? It's iconic reckless charging. Iconic reckless charging is most certainly not Bounding Assault. The maneuver almost replicates a charge, but doesn't have the -2 AC.
theotherdraxen 02-27-07, 07:45 PM	Iconic reckless charging is most certainly not Bounding Assault. The maneuver almost replicates a charge, but doesn't have the -2 AC. Ooh, I missed that one. Anyway, it looks kind of reckless to me, but that's just my opinion. I'd rather not have flavor-text enforced, though, hence why I don't think it necessary to limit them from the Diamond Mind discipline. Heck, if you're treating Rage like a stance as my friend does, there wouldn't be any reason not to be able to use Diamond Mind maneuvers.