Become a Dragon by 11th level?? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Become a Dragon by 11th level?? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Pezix
02-22-07, 02:47 AM ..So I have the complete adventure, and I was cruising the new prestige classes, when I came across Master of Many Forms, and I was looking at the cool new feats it gets and what not, and then I saw at 10th level it gains Wild Shape Gargantuan Dragon,.. and which with its Extrodinary wild shape(at least thats what I think it is) it gains at 7th level which grants he/she is gains the Special/Spell-like abilities of the form it takes,... so a 10th level master of many forms and turn into a Great Wrym Dragon and fly around, use magic, fire its breathe weapon, you know slaughter the villiage type thing,.. So I thought Oo wow the prerequisites for the class must be crazy, and so I took a look,..all you need is Wild shape Class FEATURE ok so every other book I have read(as far as i know) for other shape shifter classes says must have Wild shape ABILITY... so when the book says wild shape class feature, to me it just says you need to be a class(Druid) that has access to the Wild Shape Feature and not actually have to have the ability. So I could be like ok I'm 1st level Druid, and as a Druid I have the Wild shape class feature and now I will just take Master of many Forms and by 11th level become and Dragon and kill Ogres and Villiagers and stuff like that,... but I just wanted to pose the question to you guys and see what the populus has to say about the issue... THANKS!:D
unusualsuspect
02-22-07, 02:56 AM 1. Neither the spellcasting nor the Breath Weapon are (ex) abilities - rather, they are (su), and thus you'd need Shapechange or similar magic.

2. You need to actually possess the feature in question to gain access to the PrC - that is, you actually have to have achieved Druid 5 and gained "Wild Shape 1/day" before you actually qualify for MoMF.

3. Take a look at the HD cap for your Wild Shape ability, then check out the HD of the dragon forms available. The earliest a Large-sized dragon is available is 10 HD (Red Dragon). The earliest Gargantuan-sized dragon is available at 28 HD (Also Red Dragon).

Suffice to say that there are better forms to use the MoMF's shapechanging abilities for.
Pezix
02-22-07, 03:08 AM Yeah I know about the HD cap, all the abilities,.. I just got really confused about the whole, Must have Class Feature VS Must have Ability,... but thanks for the input!:D
The_Shaman
02-22-07, 03:55 AM If you want to shift to a dracon, the Draconomicon has a feat that anyone with a wildshape can take - and imo it's better than the MoMF's draconic form in many ways.

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Pezix 02-22-07, 02:47 AM	..So I have the complete adventure, and I was cruising the new prestige classes, when I came across Master of Many Forms, and I was looking at the cool new feats it gets and what not, and then I saw at 10th level it gains Wild Shape Gargantuan Dragon,.. and which with its Extrodinary wild shape(at least thats what I think it is) it gains at 7th level which grants he/she is gains the Special/Spell-like abilities of the form it takes,... so a 10th level master of many forms and turn into a Great Wrym Dragon and fly around, use magic, fire its breathe weapon, you know slaughter the villiage type thing,.. So I thought Oo wow the prerequisites for the class must be crazy, and so I took a look,..all you need is Wild shape Class FEATURE ok so every other book I have read(as far as i know) for other shape shifter classes says must have Wild shape ABILITY... so when the book says wild shape class feature, to me it just says you need to be a class(Druid) that has access to the Wild Shape Feature and not actually have to have the ability. So I could be like ok I'm 1st level Druid, and as a Druid I have the Wild shape class feature and now I will just take Master of many Forms and by 11th level become and Dragon and kill Ogres and Villiagers and stuff like that,... but I just wanted to pose the question to you guys and see what the populus has to say about the issue... THANKS!:D
unusualsuspect 02-22-07, 02:56 AM	1. Neither the spellcasting nor the Breath Weapon are (ex) abilities - rather, they are (su), and thus you'd need Shapechange or similar magic. 2. You need to actually possess the feature in question to gain access to the PrC - that is, you actually have to have achieved Druid 5 and gained "Wild Shape 1/day" before you actually qualify for MoMF. 3. Take a look at the HD cap for your Wild Shape ability, then check out the HD of the dragon forms available. The earliest a Large-sized dragon is available is 10 HD (Red Dragon). The earliest Gargantuan-sized dragon is available at 28 HD (Also Red Dragon). Suffice to say that there are better forms to use the MoMF's shapechanging abilities for.
Pezix 02-22-07, 03:08 AM	Yeah I know about the HD cap, all the abilities,.. I just got really confused about the whole, Must have Class Feature VS Must have Ability,... but thanks for the input!:D
The_Shaman 02-22-07, 03:55 AM	If you want to shift to a dracon, the Draconomicon has a feat that anyone with a wildshape can take - and imo it's better than the MoMF's draconic form in many ways.