Blessing of the Spirits [Archive] - Wizards Community

Blessing of the Spirits [Archive] - Wizards Community

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babysamurai
10-27-06, 05:19 AM In this ability description of the Spirit Shaman class, it says it functions just like protection from evil, but against spirits.

Does that mean it also protects against any summoned creatures, like protection from evil, or only summoned spirits?

Or does it not protect against summoned creatures, period?
Loki5654
10-27-06, 05:48 AM I believe in the same book that the Spirit Shaman is in (Complete Divine?) includes a sidebar that defines what is considered a "spirit" for the purposes of the Shaman's abilities.

I can't remember if summoned creatures are on that list or not.
babysamurai
10-27-06, 05:54 AM I believe in the same book that the Spirit Shaman is in (Complete Divine?) includes a sidebar that defines what is considered a "spirit" for the purposes of the Shaman's abilities.

I can't remember if summoned creatures are on that list or not.

No they are not.

Spirits:

Fey
Elementals
Incorporeal Undead
Any creature with the spirit subtype (OA)

My question is on Blessing of the Spirits, not what constitutes a spirit.

Basically, I want to know if Blessing of the Spirits protects you against any summoned creature, like protection from evil does.
Loki5654
10-27-06, 06:56 AM Well, since the spell acts like protection from evil, but only against spirits, I'd say no. Because summoned creatures aren't considered spirits.

Seems simple enough.
babysamurai
10-27-06, 07:07 AM Well, since the spell acts like protection from evil, but only against spirits, I'd say no. Because summoned creatures aren't considered spirits.

But would it still hedge them out like protection from evil does against summoned creatures?
Loki5654
10-27-06, 07:25 AM But would it still hedge them out like protection from evil does against summoned creatures?
No, because they aren't spirits. The ability only works against spirits.

Now, if they were incorporeal summoned creatures, or fey summoned creatures, then it would work.
babysamurai
10-27-06, 07:31 AM No, because they aren't spirits. The ability only works against spirits.

Now, if they were incorporeal summoned creatures, or fey summoned creatures, then it would work.

I appreciate the help so far, but I don’t think you quite get what I mean.

Go and read the description of protection from evil, if you feel like it, thoroughly, and get back to me.

Ta.
aotrscommander
10-27-06, 07:47 AM I appreciate the help so far, but I don’t think you quite get what I mean.

Go and read the description of protection from evil, if you feel like it, thoroughly, and get back to me.

Ta.

Protection from Evil doesn't protect you against all summons; Good summoned creatures are immune. So, working on that basis, whatever is the diametrical oppsite of 'spirits' would be immune (I would personally say the 'opposite' of spirits would be 'not spirits'; and I'd say there was no 'neutral' equivilent in this case).

So then it would follow Protection From Spirits only protects you against summoned spirits and summoned non-spirits are immune to this effect (in the same way Prot from Evil only works on summoned evil (and neutral) creatures and summon good creature are immune.)
babysamurai
10-27-06, 07:55 AM Protection from Evil doesn't protect you against all summons; Good summoned creatures are immune. So, working on that basis, whatever is the diametrical oppsite of 'spirits' would be immune (I would personally say the 'opposite' of spirits would be 'not spirits'; and I'd say there was no 'neutral' equivilent in this case).

So then it would follow Protection From Spirits only protects you against summoned spirits and summoned non-spirits are immune to this effect (in the same way Prot from Evil only works on summoned evil (and neutral) creatures and summon good creature are immune.)

I agree.

Now to convince my players.
babysamurai
10-27-06, 09:07 AM Do they still get the protection against mental control/possession?
aotrscommander
10-27-06, 03:15 PM As that section of Prot from Evil doesn't mention alignments at all, so it applies to all mental control/possesion attempts. Thus, I think it's fair to say that it applies to Prot from Spirits unilaterally too.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
babysamurai 10-27-06, 05:19 AM	In this ability description of the Spirit Shaman class, it says it functions just like protection from evil, but against spirits. Does that mean it also protects against any summoned creatures, like protection from evil, or only summoned spirits? Or does it not protect against summoned creatures, period?
Loki5654 10-27-06, 05:48 AM	I believe in the same book that the Spirit Shaman is in (Complete Divine?) includes a sidebar that defines what is considered a "spirit" for the purposes of the Shaman's abilities. I can't remember if summoned creatures are on that list or not.
babysamurai 10-27-06, 05:54 AM	I believe in the same book that the Spirit Shaman is in (Complete Divine?) includes a sidebar that defines what is considered a "spirit" for the purposes of the Shaman's abilities. I can't remember if summoned creatures are on that list or not. No they are not. Spirits: Fey Elementals Incorporeal Undead Any creature with the spirit subtype (OA) My question is on Blessing of the Spirits, not what constitutes a spirit. Basically, I want to know if Blessing of the Spirits protects you against any summoned creature, like protection from evil does.
Loki5654 10-27-06, 06:56 AM	Well, since the spell acts like protection from evil, but only against spirits, I'd say no. Because summoned creatures aren't considered spirits. Seems simple enough.
babysamurai 10-27-06, 07:07 AM	Well, since the spell acts like protection from evil, but only against spirits, I'd say no. Because summoned creatures aren't considered spirits. But would it still hedge them out like protection from evil does against summoned creatures?
Loki5654 10-27-06, 07:25 AM	But would it still hedge them out like protection from evil does against summoned creatures? No, because they aren't spirits. The ability only works against spirits. Now, if they were incorporeal summoned creatures, or fey summoned creatures, then it would work.
babysamurai 10-27-06, 07:31 AM	No, because they aren't spirits. The ability only works against spirits. Now, if they were incorporeal summoned creatures, or fey summoned creatures, then it would work. I appreciate the help so far, but I don’t think you quite get what I mean. Go and read the description of protection from evil, if you feel like it, thoroughly, and get back to me. Ta.
aotrscommander 10-27-06, 07:47 AM	I appreciate the help so far, but I don’t think you quite get what I mean. Go and read the description of protection from evil, if you feel like it, thoroughly, and get back to me. Ta. Protection from Evil doesn't protect you against all summons; Good summoned creatures are immune. So, working on that basis, whatever is the diametrical oppsite of 'spirits' would be immune (I would personally say the 'opposite' of spirits would be 'not spirits'; and I'd say there was no 'neutral' equivilent in this case). So then it would follow Protection From Spirits only protects you against summoned spirits and summoned non-spirits are immune to this effect (in the same way Prot from Evil only works on summoned evil (and neutral) creatures and summon good creature are immune.)
babysamurai 10-27-06, 07:55 AM	Protection from Evil doesn't protect you against all summons; Good summoned creatures are immune. So, working on that basis, whatever is the diametrical oppsite of 'spirits' would be immune (I would personally say the 'opposite' of spirits would be 'not spirits'; and I'd say there was no 'neutral' equivilent in this case). So then it would follow Protection From Spirits only protects you against summoned spirits and summoned non-spirits are immune to this effect (in the same way Prot from Evil only works on summoned evil (and neutral) creatures and summon good creature are immune.) I agree. Now to convince my players.
babysamurai 10-27-06, 09:07 AM	Do they still get the protection against mental control/possession?
aotrscommander 10-27-06, 03:15 PM	As that section of Prot from Evil doesn't mention alignments at all, so it applies to all mental control/possesion attempts. Thus, I think it's fair to say that it applies to Prot from Spirits unilaterally too.