Book of Nine Swords PrC Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

Book of Nine Swords PrC Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Jarjaxle
10-31-07, 07:53 PM The base classes introduced in the Book of Nine Swords (Crusader, Swordsage and Warblade) all have the ability to drop an old maneuver and replace it with a newer maneuver during their career. I believe it happens every other level starting at 4th level. I am guessing since I don't have the book in front of me.

It seems that the PrC's in that book do not have that same ability.

Was this intentional or a mistake?

Should the PrC's (Ruby Knight Vindicator in perticular) have the ability to drop maneuvers and replace them with other ones?

Any information would be helpful.
KIDS
10-31-07, 08:48 PM The PrCs never mention anything about swapping maneuvers in their maneuver sections so I'd say that they don't. I bumped into this issue several times and have since then arrived at the conclusion that it is in fact intentional and a point of balance to prevent one from grabbing extra 9th level maneuvers at last (10th) even level of JPM or something like that. Now, that it makes some classes better for entries and toughens planning...yep.

In short I believe you can't swap maneuvers in PrCs and that it's intentional, but the game won't be vastly changed if you do decide that the swapping is possible. It's just not a big issue.
Lokathor
10-31-07, 09:13 PM Really unfortunate that default ToB makes the order you take levels in count as much as it does, but I have to agree with KIDS's assessment.

The PrCs don't give "+1 initiator level" like casters get, so you just get the extra maneuvers known.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Jarjaxle 10-31-07, 07:53 PM	The base classes introduced in the Book of Nine Swords (Crusader, Swordsage and Warblade) all have the ability to drop an old maneuver and replace it with a newer maneuver during their career. I believe it happens every other level starting at 4th level. I am guessing since I don't have the book in front of me. It seems that the PrC's in that book do not have that same ability. Was this intentional or a mistake? Should the PrC's (Ruby Knight Vindicator in perticular) have the ability to drop maneuvers and replace them with other ones? Any information would be helpful.
KIDS 10-31-07, 08:48 PM	The PrCs never mention anything about swapping maneuvers in their maneuver sections so I'd say that they don't. I bumped into this issue several times and have since then arrived at the conclusion that it is in fact intentional and a point of balance to prevent one from grabbing extra 9th level maneuvers at last (10th) even level of JPM or something like that. Now, that it makes some classes better for entries and toughens planning...yep. In short I believe you can't swap maneuvers in PrCs and that it's intentional, but the game won't be vastly changed if you do decide that the swapping is possible. It's just not a big issue.
Lokathor 10-31-07, 09:13 PM	Really unfortunate that default ToB makes the order you take levels in count as much as it does, but I have to agree with KIDS's assessment. The PrCs don't give "+1 initiator level" like casters get, so you just get the extra maneuvers known.