Can i do this? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Can i do this? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Pyriel
08-17-04, 07:58 PM i was looking in the MM2 and i saw the death knight concept, and since im gonna remake a character in an evil campaign i was thinking and got to wondering if i could apply it to a vampire. I didnt know if being a vampire made me unable to combine the two or what. Also, they didnt have a LA on it so i was wondering if there is one or i should just assume its a la 1.

thanks in advance.
Thorak
08-17-04, 08:17 PM I'm assuming the death knights are the same as they were in 2nd edition; the undead knights similar to Lord Soth of Dragonlance (and some Ravenloft) fame.

If so, they're incompatible with vampires. They're one embodiment of powerful undead, vampires are another. Impossible for the same reason, say, a mummy zombie is impossible.

Of course, you could figure something out with templates. IIRC, there's a half-vampire template. It might be possible to apply that to a death knight, to reflect that they were half-vampiric before the change. Or make a vampire who wears armor and uses a big sword, and has some levels in Spellsword, so can cast in armor as death knights (at least in 2nd edition in a limited way) can.
Egres
08-17-04, 08:37 PM Half-Vampire template?!?

Where?:confused:
Masamune
08-18-04, 07:20 AM well, the death knight, i would say is about +4 la and the vamp is another +4 la, making a total +8 ECL so far. this doesn't even include the base creature's la. so unless you are playing in a ECL 10 or higher campaign, don't add the death knight template
kasthevampire
08-18-04, 11:59 AM i thought it was 5 for the death knight and 5 for the vamp for a total of 10 and since you have to be at least 6th to take death knight that is you need to be 16th level
MesaCraft
08-18-04, 06:56 PM Cant be done. You would have to be a Death Knight first and no way can a Death Knight be DRAINED by a Vamp to become a Vamp. Sorry guys, no go.
kasthevampire
08-18-04, 07:05 PM you are correct to become a death knight it says you must first be humanoid. although a vamp death knight would be cool you can't do it
MesaCraft
08-18-04, 08:16 PM Better and cooler then a Vamp Death Knight would be a Troll Vamp. Regenertaion AND Fast Healing? WAHOO. I actually put one on paper and he was down right MEAN...one problem though...Trolls are giants and to be affected with Vapirism you must be humanoid or monstrous humanoid. LOL, my players were very glad when they heard this cuz I had talked up the Dreaded Troll Vampyr for a while.
kasthevampire
08-18-04, 08:41 PM i think there is a template somewhere for monsterus vamps. that would be good though
Morka
08-18-04, 08:49 PM You just have to be a Vampire Blackguard. I was currently thinking about a paladin killed by a vampire, raising himself as a vampire. Naturally, he is now LE and no longer paladin. For some reason (perhaps to fight demons or other CE creatures), he swear allegiance to a LE god, and become a Blackguard. Quite terrific, no? The only problem is the vampire template is +8 ECL!
kasthevampire
08-18-04, 09:11 PM it is alot a bit too much in 3.0 it was only 5 which is ok. now this is what i don't get vamp +2 to cr death knight +3 to cr. vamp la 8 death knight only 5

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Pyriel 08-17-04, 07:58 PM	i was looking in the MM2 and i saw the death knight concept, and since im gonna remake a character in an evil campaign i was thinking and got to wondering if i could apply it to a vampire. I didnt know if being a vampire made me unable to combine the two or what. Also, they didnt have a LA on it so i was wondering if there is one or i should just assume its a la 1. thanks in advance.
Thorak 08-17-04, 08:17 PM	I'm assuming the death knights are the same as they were in 2nd edition; the undead knights similar to Lord Soth of Dragonlance (and some Ravenloft) fame. If so, they're incompatible with vampires. They're one embodiment of powerful undead, vampires are another. Impossible for the same reason, say, a mummy zombie is impossible. Of course, you could figure something out with templates. IIRC, there's a half-vampire template. It might be possible to apply that to a death knight, to reflect that they were half-vampiric before the change. Or make a vampire who wears armor and uses a big sword, and has some levels in Spellsword, so can cast in armor as death knights (at least in 2nd edition in a limited way) can.
Egres 08-17-04, 08:37 PM	Half-Vampire template?!? Where?:confused:
Masamune 08-18-04, 07:20 AM	well, the death knight, i would say is about +4 la and the vamp is another +4 la, making a total +8 ECL so far. this doesn't even include the base creature's la. so unless you are playing in a ECL 10 or higher campaign, don't add the death knight template
kasthevampire 08-18-04, 11:59 AM	i thought it was 5 for the death knight and 5 for the vamp for a total of 10 and since you have to be at least 6th to take death knight that is you need to be 16th level
MesaCraft 08-18-04, 06:56 PM	Cant be done. You would have to be a Death Knight first and no way can a Death Knight be DRAINED by a Vamp to become a Vamp. Sorry guys, no go.
kasthevampire 08-18-04, 07:05 PM	you are correct to become a death knight it says you must first be humanoid. although a vamp death knight would be cool you can't do it
MesaCraft 08-18-04, 08:16 PM	Better and cooler then a Vamp Death Knight would be a Troll Vamp. Regenertaion AND Fast Healing? WAHOO. I actually put one on paper and he was down right MEAN...one problem though...Trolls are giants and to be affected with Vapirism you must be humanoid or monstrous humanoid. LOL, my players were very glad when they heard this cuz I had talked up the Dreaded Troll Vampyr for a while.
kasthevampire 08-18-04, 08:41 PM	i think there is a template somewhere for monsterus vamps. that would be good though
Morka 08-18-04, 08:49 PM	You just have to be a Vampire Blackguard. I was currently thinking about a paladin killed by a vampire, raising himself as a vampire. Naturally, he is now LE and no longer paladin. For some reason (perhaps to fight demons or other CE creatures), he swear allegiance to a LE god, and become a Blackguard. Quite terrific, no? The only problem is the vampire template is +8 ECL!
kasthevampire 08-18-04, 09:11 PM	it is alot a bit too much in 3.0 it was only 5 which is ok. now this is what i don't get vamp +2 to cr death knight +3 to cr. vamp la 8 death knight only 5