can you apply metamagic to invocations? [Archive] - Wizards Community

can you apply metamagic to invocations? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Ethandrul
05-25-07, 11:44 AM I don't have any books handy- and i was thinking about building a spellthief/warlock ( i know it isn't optimized)as a npc with the idea being to take 5 levels of warlock and use split ray on them. i know there is a evocation that splits the eldricht blast- but i don't want that one. If i can, I assume it would lower the damage dice the blast does accordingly. I don't have any books handy. is there any way to make make this work?
strenoth
05-25-07, 11:46 AM Well, if you get your DM to approve a home-made feat, you could make up a meta-spell like ability feat that allows you to do Split Ray 3/day, just liek the empower spell like ability, maximise spell like ability, and quicken spell like ability feats.
Tempest Stormwind
05-25-07, 11:47 AM They're not spells, they're spell-like abilities. So no.

You'd need to apply the meta-spell-like-ability feats, such as those in the back of the monster manual.
Ethandrul
05-25-07, 12:04 PM thanks! I am the Dm, so- I think I will allow that. any idea how to make him extra nasty?
Pentar
05-25-07, 02:33 PM thanks! I am the Dm, so- I think I will allow that. any idea how to make him extra nasty?

I just used a Warlock for a BBEG and he was quite nasty. If you give him a one or two Rods of Eldritch Power (or whatever they're called), it really broadens his range of shaped or modifying invocations. Add the Ability Focus (Eldritch Blast) or Empower Spell-Like Ability feats and he becomes really strong.

I particularly liked the Invocations that caused Blindness, Sickness or Nausea, rather than additional damage.

Don't discount the Chain Eldritch Blast ability. Even though it only does 1/2 damage to chained targets, it still hits them with the invocation effect; like blindness/sickness, etc.
Ethandrul
05-25-07, 02:40 PM i'm not discounting that ability- but the buid i want to use only allows for 1 power of that level- and I was thinking invisibility. that way, he can chain his blast, while making it sneak attacks and steal 2 spells- which he could use to channel arcane strikes
Oliver D'Argent
05-25-07, 06:47 PM The only metamagic feats that are officially legal to use with invocations and other spell-like abilities are the Sudden metamagic feats found in the Miniatures Handbook and Complete Arcane. Those can only be used once per day, so they are rather more limited than the meta spell-like feats.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Ethandrul 05-25-07, 11:44 AM	I don't have any books handy- and i was thinking about building a spellthief/warlock ( i know it isn't optimized)as a npc with the idea being to take 5 levels of warlock and use split ray on them. i know there is a evocation that splits the eldricht blast- but i don't want that one. If i can, I assume it would lower the damage dice the blast does accordingly. I don't have any books handy. is there any way to make make this work?
strenoth 05-25-07, 11:46 AM	Well, if you get your DM to approve a home-made feat, you could make up a meta-spell like ability feat that allows you to do Split Ray 3/day, just liek the empower spell like ability, maximise spell like ability, and quicken spell like ability feats.
Tempest Stormwind 05-25-07, 11:47 AM	They're not spells, they're spell-like abilities. So no. You'd need to apply the meta-spell-like-ability feats, such as those in the back of the monster manual.
Ethandrul 05-25-07, 12:04 PM	thanks! I am the Dm, so- I think I will allow that. any idea how to make him extra nasty?
Pentar 05-25-07, 02:33 PM	thanks! I am the Dm, so- I think I will allow that. any idea how to make him extra nasty? I just used a Warlock for a BBEG and he was quite nasty. If you give him a one or two Rods of Eldritch Power (or whatever they're called), it really broadens his range of shaped or modifying invocations. Add the Ability Focus (Eldritch Blast) or Empower Spell-Like Ability feats and he becomes really strong. I particularly liked the Invocations that caused Blindness, Sickness or Nausea, rather than additional damage. Don't discount the Chain Eldritch Blast ability. Even though it only does 1/2 damage to chained targets, it still hits them with the invocation effect; like blindness/sickness, etc.
Ethandrul 05-25-07, 02:40 PM	i'm not discounting that ability- but the buid i want to use only allows for 1 power of that level- and I was thinking invisibility. that way, he can chain his blast, while making it sneak attacks and steal 2 spells- which he could use to channel arcane strikes
Oliver D'Argent 05-25-07, 06:47 PM	The only metamagic feats that are officially legal to use with invocations and other spell-like abilities are the Sudden metamagic feats found in the Miniatures Handbook and Complete Arcane. Those can only be used once per day, so they are rather more limited than the meta spell-like feats.