Can you multiclass into Paladin? (3.0) [Archive] - Wizards Community

Can you multiclass into Paladin? (3.0) [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Silimaure
07-05-04, 02:21 AM Recently I played a dwarven fighter, and I had the character concept of this fighter being so dedicated to his god and the ways of law and good he gets called later in life. First off, I know you can't just choose to be a paladin, that's why I talked to my dm about it and he oked the calling if I played LG.

Another friend of mine told my dm that since you have to have knightly training (where it says this, I don't know) to be a paladin, and you can't learn how in the downtime between adventures, ergo you can't multiclass into paladin. He claims he found a feat allowing you to in some book (I think that's bull****, if you ask me, he never showed it to me).

So, I'm asking you guys, have you ever encountered a phrase in any books saying you cannot multiclass into Paladin? I've looked throughout my PHB, DMG, etc. Even looked at the FAQ that you can download, and that have questions asking about multiclassed paladins!.......Ok, I'm going to stop before I fill pages of ranting.
BlaineTog
07-05-04, 02:34 AM No. You can freely multiclass into anything. 3e has no such thing as training, but its a fairly popular house rule.
Ssussunriyh
07-05-04, 04:54 AM There is nothing to prevent you from taking paladin as your second class. However, if you have levels in paladin and then multiclass as something else, you may never again advance as a paladin. You retain all paladin abilities that you had, but you cannot take another level of paladin after multiclassing.

So, if you start off as a fighter and then multiclass into paladin, you're more or less locked into paladin advancement from then on. If you want to increase your fighter level afterwards, you'll permanently derail your paladin advancement.

And while the character cannot choose to become a paladin, the player most certainly can make such a choice for his character. In other words, you can do it if you justify the switch through roleplaying, which you have indicated in your character concept. More power to you.
Jaerom Darkwind
07-05-04, 04:22 PM Well, they already gave you the right answer. I'll just second it. If the powers of Good want to Call you, even later in life, who's your friend to stop them?
Darth K'Trava
07-05-04, 08:02 PM It's even said somewhere, I believe, that one can get the "calling" later in life.
K.O.E.G
07-05-04, 08:26 PM or the dwarf didn't understand the calling, and thought he was just supposed to be a warrior for his god, but was actually supposed to be a divine warrior
Silimaure
07-06-04, 11:16 AM Well, it's not the calling that was the problem, a friend told my dm that it takes knightly training that can't be done in the two weeks of downtime or some shi* like that
Egres
07-06-04, 12:00 PM Originally posted by Silimaure
Well, it's not the calling that was the problem, a friend told my dm that it takes knightly training that can't be done in the two weeks of downtime or some shi* like that
Silly argument.
What about multiclassing in a Wizard?
In two weeks you start to cast Magic Missiles all around?.........:rolleyes:
K.O.E.G
07-06-04, 12:52 PM Originally posted by Silimaure
Well, it's not the calling that was the problem, a friend told my dm that it takes knightly training that can't be done in the two weeks of downtime or some shi* like that

Get the PH, have your friend point to the part where it says they need knightly training, then have your friend point to any 3.0 book or errata saying it.
Ssussunriyh
07-06-04, 01:37 PM You don't need knightly training to become a paladin. Either your god accepts you as one of his paladins, or he doesn't.

The only thing you may need knightly training for would be to join a specific knightly order of paladins. But a paladin who doesn't belong to one of these orders is still a paladin, even if the Knights in Shining Armor do look down their noses at you.

BTW, "knight in shining armor" was originally a derisive term, as it implied that one had never actually been in combat. Combat tends to be messy and hard on your equipment, don't you know... ;)
Darth K'Trava
07-06-04, 02:20 PM Originally posted by Silimaure
Well, it's not the calling that was the problem, a friend told my dm that it takes knightly training that can't be done in the two weeks of downtime or some shi* like that

"Knightly training" has nothing to do with being a paladin. He's got a paladin confused with a knight in shining armor from medieval epics. The two aren't one and the same. If that was the case then you couldn't have female paladins as females at that time weren't allowed to become knights; same go for the non-nobility as well.

I have a paladin (pure paladin, no multiclassing) who is both female and from the "middle class" income level. Nowhere in her backstory is the fact that she's a Lady or a Duchess or such. She's from a mercantile background. Far from the "knightly" level that some seem to have to confer onto paladins.
Darth K'Trava
07-06-04, 02:22 PM Originally posted by K.O.E.G
or the dwarf didn't understand the calling, and thought he was just supposed to be a warrior for his god, but was actually supposed to be a divine warrior

::snicker:: My paladin only thinks of herself as a "holy warrior" not a paladin. Even with all the nifty abilities that paladins get, she didn't go around proudly proclaiming, "I'M A PALADIN!!"
Silimaure
07-06-04, 04:09 PM Exactly what I was thinking, thank you guys.
Ranger REG
07-06-04, 05:57 PM Originally posted by Silimaure

So, I'm asking you guys, have you ever encountered a phrase in any books saying you cannot multiclass into Paladin? I've looked throughout my PHB, DMG, etc. Even looked at the FAQ that you can download, and that have questions asking about multiclassed paladins!.......Ok, I'm going to stop before I fill pages of ranting.
First off, your DM is always right, especially when he controls the campaign world you're playing in.

As to multiclassing INTO a paladin class, you shouldn't have a problem (assuming you've already met the lawful good alignment criteria). If the DM wants, he can change the downtime period in between adventures from a month to six months -- may or may not need acceptance fom other players -- for you to complete your basic training and return to the game with a 1st paladin level.

Talk to your DM. State your case. Don't argue with him.
Silimaure
07-08-04, 03:03 AM I was right ^.^

Whether or not you can multiclass from one class to another, is completely up to your DM. There is no rule however, that states you may not multiclass from fighter to paladin. Good Gaming!

And I did ask my dm if the dwarf, who seems to be more faithful than the cleric to Moradin in the group, if he could get the calling soon.
Zelphi
07-08-04, 06:08 AM If some spoony God calls you - it's near instantaneous... seeing as you've already got some of the base features of the Paladin down (Armour and Weapon proficiences) the only difference being skills and cha.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Silimaure 07-05-04, 02:21 AM	Recently I played a dwarven fighter, and I had the character concept of this fighter being so dedicated to his god and the ways of law and good he gets called later in life. First off, I know you can't just choose to be a paladin, that's why I talked to my dm about it and he oked the calling if I played LG. Another friend of mine told my dm that since you have to have knightly training (where it says this, I don't know) to be a paladin, and you can't learn how in the downtime between adventures, ergo you can't multiclass into paladin. He claims he found a feat allowing you to in some book (I think that's bull****, if you ask me, he never showed it to me). So, I'm asking you guys, have you ever encountered a phrase in any books saying you cannot multiclass into Paladin? I've looked throughout my PHB, DMG, etc. Even looked at the FAQ that you can download, and that have questions asking about multiclassed paladins!.......Ok, I'm going to stop before I fill pages of ranting.
BlaineTog 07-05-04, 02:34 AM	No. You can freely multiclass into anything. 3e has no such thing as training, but its a fairly popular house rule.
Ssussunriyh 07-05-04, 04:54 AM	There is nothing to prevent you from taking paladin as your second class. However, if you have levels in paladin and then multiclass as something else, you may never again advance as a paladin. You retain all paladin abilities that you had, but you cannot take another level of paladin after multiclassing. So, if you start off as a fighter and then multiclass into paladin, you're more or less locked into paladin advancement from then on. If you want to increase your fighter level afterwards, you'll permanently derail your paladin advancement. And while the character cannot choose to become a paladin, the player most certainly can make such a choice for his character. In other words, you can do it if you justify the switch through roleplaying, which you have indicated in your character concept. More power to you.
Jaerom Darkwind 07-05-04, 04:22 PM	Well, they already gave you the right answer. I'll just second it. If the powers of Good want to Call you, even later in life, who's your friend to stop them?
Darth K'Trava 07-05-04, 08:02 PM	It's even said somewhere, I believe, that one can get the "calling" later in life.
K.O.E.G 07-05-04, 08:26 PM	or the dwarf didn't understand the calling, and thought he was just supposed to be a warrior for his god, but was actually supposed to be a divine warrior
Silimaure 07-06-04, 11:16 AM	Well, it's not the calling that was the problem, a friend told my dm that it takes knightly training that can't be done in the two weeks of downtime or some shi* like that
Egres 07-06-04, 12:00 PM	Originally posted by Silimaure Well, it's not the calling that was the problem, a friend told my dm that it takes knightly training that can't be done in the two weeks of downtime or some shi* like that Silly argument. What about multiclassing in a Wizard? In two weeks you start to cast Magic Missiles all around?.........:rolleyes:
K.O.E.G 07-06-04, 12:52 PM	Originally posted by Silimaure Well, it's not the calling that was the problem, a friend told my dm that it takes knightly training that can't be done in the two weeks of downtime or some shi* like that Get the PH, have your friend point to the part where it says they need knightly training, then have your friend point to any 3.0 book or errata saying it.
Ssussunriyh 07-06-04, 01:37 PM	You don't need knightly training to become a paladin. Either your god accepts you as one of his paladins, or he doesn't. The only thing you may need knightly training for would be to join a specific knightly order of paladins. But a paladin who doesn't belong to one of these orders is still a paladin, even if the Knights in Shining Armor do look down their noses at you. BTW, "knight in shining armor" was originally a derisive term, as it implied that one had never actually been in combat. Combat tends to be messy and hard on your equipment, don't you know... ;)
Darth K'Trava 07-06-04, 02:20 PM	Originally posted by Silimaure Well, it's not the calling that was the problem, a friend told my dm that it takes knightly training that can't be done in the two weeks of downtime or some shi* like that "Knightly training" has nothing to do with being a paladin. He's got a paladin confused with a knight in shining armor from medieval epics. The two aren't one and the same. If that was the case then you couldn't have female paladins as females at that time weren't allowed to become knights; same go for the non-nobility as well. I have a paladin (pure paladin, no multiclassing) who is both female and from the "middle class" income level. Nowhere in her backstory is the fact that she's a Lady or a Duchess or such. She's from a mercantile background. Far from the "knightly" level that some seem to have to confer onto paladins.
Darth K'Trava 07-06-04, 02:22 PM	Originally posted by K.O.E.G or the dwarf didn't understand the calling, and thought he was just supposed to be a warrior for his god, but was actually supposed to be a divine warrior ::snicker:: My paladin only thinks of herself as a "holy warrior" not a paladin. Even with all the nifty abilities that paladins get, she didn't go around proudly proclaiming, "I'M A PALADIN!!"
Silimaure 07-06-04, 04:09 PM	Exactly what I was thinking, thank you guys.
Ranger REG 07-06-04, 05:57 PM	Originally posted by Silimaure So, I'm asking you guys, have you ever encountered a phrase in any books saying you cannot multiclass into Paladin? I've looked throughout my PHB, DMG, etc. Even looked at the FAQ that you can download, and that have questions asking about multiclassed paladins!.......Ok, I'm going to stop before I fill pages of ranting. First off, your DM is always right, especially when he controls the campaign world you're playing in. As to multiclassing INTO a paladin class, you shouldn't have a problem (assuming you've already met the lawful good alignment criteria). If the DM wants, he can change the downtime period in between adventures from a month to six months -- may or may not need acceptance fom other players -- for you to complete your basic training and return to the game with a 1st paladin level. Talk to your DM. State your case. Don't argue with him.
Silimaure 07-08-04, 03:03 AM	I was right ^.^ Whether or not you can multiclass from one class to another, is completely up to your DM. There is no rule however, that states you may not multiclass from fighter to paladin. Good Gaming! And I did ask my dm if the dwarf, who seems to be more faithful than the cleric to Moradin in the group, if he could get the calling soon.
Zelphi 07-08-04, 06:08 AM	If some spoony God calls you - it's near instantaneous... seeing as you've already got some of the base features of the Paladin down (Armour and Weapon proficiences) the only difference being skills and cha.