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YamiShinobi 12-18-07, 05:22 PM	Cardmaster a class for all the CCS fans Hit Die: d4 bab: as sorcerer (1/2 hit die) good saves: reflex and will poor saves: fortitude skill points 4+int (x4 at level 1) class skills concentration (con) decipher script (int) diplomacy (cha) escape artist (cha) gather information (cha) heal (wis) hide (dex) knowledge (all) listen (wis) spot (wis) use magic device (cha) tumble (dex) jump (str) climb (str) swim (str) search (int) and move silelently (dex) money at 1st level 5d4x10 (125gp) proficiencies, abilites, dexterity is important for a cardmaster, due to it granting her more ac, due to low hit points, constitution is important for a cardmasters lack of hit points, charisma is important for casting and awakening after exaustion induced sleep. intellegence grants a nice skill set, strength isn't all that important unless you like hard two handed strikes to the targets head. wisdom provides sensory bonuses that help while asleep (Cardmaster) Level BAB Fort Ref Will Special cards readied 1 +0 +0 +2 +2 bedtime clairvoyance 2 2 +1 +0 +3 +3 uncanny dodge 2 3 +1 +1 +4 +4 wand+1 2 4 +2 +1 +4 +4 special 3 5 +2 +1 +5 +5 evasion 3 6 +3 +2 +5 +5 wand+2 3 7 +3 +2 +6 +6 special 4 8 +4 +2 +6 +6 wand+3 4 9 +4 +3 +7 +7 special 4 10 +5 +3 +7 +7 5 11 +5 +3 +8 +8 wand+4 5 12 +6 +4 +8 +8 special 5 13 +6 +4 +9 +9 6 14 +7 +4 +9 +9 wand+5 6 15 +7 +5 +10 +10 special 6 16 +8 +5 +10 +10 7 17 +8 +5 +11 +11 wand+6 7 18 +9 +6 +11 +11 special 7 19 +9 +6 +12 +12 8 20 +10 +6 +12 +12 master of the clow 8 Class features All of the following are class features of the (insert class name here) prestige class. Weapon and Armor Proficiency: a cardmaster is proficicient with the quarterstaff, thier special wand (also a quarterstaff) the dagger, the rapier, and the shortsword, she is also proficient with elemental costumes card invocations, (Su): the cards are essentially usable at will, but must be prepared daily, it takes one hour to prepare, though one cand prepare them as a full round action with as well as swap them if the have the feat "adaptive style" as if they were manuevers, though they are acutally spell like abilities, a cardmaster only has so many cards. though they are in slow progression, these cards can be used at will with no arcane failure., every day, a cardmaster can prepare or ready new cards to be used at will, assuming they are of apporopriate leve to use them, they must still pay any XP costs if neccesary. uncanny dodge (Ex):, see rogue evasion (Ex):, see rogue (Sp): wand+(n) the bonus for using the wand on attack and damage roll (treat as masterwork quarterstaff). The wand can invoke cards at a higher caster level as a full roundaction, this class counts as an arcane caster for entering prestige classes or gaining cards (spells), it also counts as an martial adept for determining intitiator level. this counts as a comepetence bonus bedtime clairvoyance (Su):, a cardmaster when asleep does not get the listen penalty for sleeping, they can get the message at all times, when someone attempts a coup de grace on the cardmaster while she sleeps, the attacker recieves an attack roll penalty equal to the cardmasters' level, as she rolls away in her sleep, tossing and turning master of the clow (Su): , upon gaining this ability, the cardmaster can empower or maximize her attack (evocation) cards at no cost and a +4 caster level (add +10 caster level for the staff instead of +6 caster level as a full round action, a cardmaster has no limit on the maximum damage dice of her evocation cards, they continuaslly progress) all cardmasters start off with a special wand ( a masterwork quarterstaff) and one free elemental costume options level 1 (available upon first level), thunder (as lightning bolt), fire (as fireball), earth (as tremor, 1 d6 per level to all in a 20 foot radius), wind (slicing for d6 per level), water (as control water) light (daylight) dark (darkness) level 2 (available upon 5th level) rain (make rain) cloud (obscuring mist) illusion (as major image) shadow (as phantasmal killer) level 3 (avaialable upon 10th level) wood (as entange) jump ( as the jump spell) dash (expiditious retreat) level 4 (avaiable at 14th level) power (combination of bears endurnace and bulls strength) big (enlarge person) small (reduce person) create (as summon monster VI) sword (gain full bab, a +5 bastard sword and proficiency for 5 minutes per caster level), shield (+5 per four levels deflection bonus to ac) level 5 (available upon 17th level) dream card (wish) frost (20d6 cold damage reflex half) fly (gain flight at twice land speed for 1 hour per level), time (as time stop) a cardmaster requires a 10-12 hour sleep period is (sometimes more), and the caster has to roll a d20 to determine if they wake up on time, adding 1/2 her cardmaster level and her charisma modifier as a bonus to the check. (DC35) each failed check reduces the dc by 5 after another hour spent sleeeping, however she does not get a listen check penalty from sleeping. due to thier bedtime clairvoyance (which gives them the message the people intended, +class level in listen bonus) the process of card invocation, for a simple thumbstroke free action, pull out card standard action, thumbstorke card to activate it improved casting (use of staff or wand) free action, pull out card full round action, toss up card, point staff/wand to it, and activate via visualization (adds +6 caster level, or +10 caster level at 20 and after) choosable special abilities (marked "special") Caster level+2 Wand +2 (add 2 to attack and damage rolls) bonus card (must be usable, gain 1 card of a castable level from the card list) Bonus Feat (must still meet the perequisites) +2 dodge bonus to armor class against all creatures all elemental costumes cost 25 gp and function as light armor, you may choose one of these free at first level raincoat of firey Ac+2 ACP0 special, fire immunity, vunlerability to cold watery getup Ac+2 ACP0 special, cold immunity, vulnerability to fire robe of the tsubasa Ac+2 ACP0 special, fly at will at twice land speed thunder's garb Ac+2 Acp0 special, lightning imunity, vulnerability to force dashing getup Ac+2 Acp0 special, move at twice base land speed shadow getup Ac+2 Acp0 special, +4 competence bonus on hide and move silently windy's robe Ac+02 Acp0 special, force immunity, vulnerability to lightning yue's robe Ac+2 Acp0 special, +6 caster level at night, -3 caster level in daytime (minimum1) special elemetnal costumes (cannot start with a free one, costs 4500 gp) clow reed's robe ac+6 acp0 special, invokes cards at +7 caster level the cardmasters are just that, casters that use cards, about card invocations, they are basically arcane spells, invoked through cards. the most common cardmasters usually use some kind of evocation (usually force) thier powers are indeed scary, even to themselves, most either fear thier power or do not know of it, 2 major people of this class, were clow reed and sakura kinomoto. they invoked the powers of the deck through thier own stamina. sakura as we know slept in late on a regular basis. overusing her cards, sakura was of course an epic cardcaster new feat [Metamagic] school mastery prerequisite: ability to cast arcane or divine spells, or invoke cards benefit, treat all spells or cards in this selected school are treated as 1 level lower than normal for determining slot or cost (minimum 0, turn level 5 evocation's into level 4 evocations special, this feat cannot be taken more than 5 times and no more than twice in the same school of magic, it applies to both divine and arcane. basically a cardcaptor sakura esque spell like ability user, the intent was to replicate sakura kinomoto for all the CCS fans, finally a wand wielding, card using, oversleeping magic user
flaming-zetsu 12-18-07, 05:58 PM	this class is very cool(i saw every episode)but you should have more detail about the card,invocations,background,etc.
YamiShinobi 12-18-07, 11:05 PM	this class is very cool(i saw every episode)but you should have more detail about the card,invocations,background,etc. hopefull some ccs fans will peach this, i hope it's balanced. come on an indestrucatable quarterstaff that raises caster level as a full round action has gotta be good for something, basically i tried to replicate the sheer magical power of cardcaptor sakura while being on par with a wizard/sorcerer the cards are essentially a spellbook that can be activated any time (assuming one has the invocation points to invoke the cards) versitile arcane learning, pretty set power (full round action for +6 caster level, or +10 at levels 20 and higher, it would sure ask for an evoker, sakura kinomoto in a sense was an uber evoker with a few planar/dimensional spells) i said this just to bump this thread
YamiShinobi 12-19-07, 04:50 PM	somebody's gotta enjoy the chance to play cardcaptor sakura in a D&D game. this allows less need to butcher arcane casters. (i bleive it is more sakura esque than a heavily butchered wizard or sorcerer)
dman11235 12-19-07, 05:54 PM	Your wish is my command! I just happen to be taking a break after episode 46, and was thinking of making one myself. But since half the work is already done, I shall get to the PEACHing asap. But I'd say that half of the cards are summoning, and some are transmutation (jump is jump, dash is expeditious retreat), illusion makes it's appearence, and evocation for Li kun's lesser magics. The 'sheer magical power' comes from her being a high level card captor. Besides, did you see how many hits she took in ep 46 against Yue? Okay, I haven't looked at the class yet, but I will say that Sakura is sort of a mix between psionics and sorcerers. Got the mechanics of psionics (sort of) with the flavor of sorcerers. I will look at the class now, and get back to you on what I think.
dman11235 12-19-07, 05:58 PM	Okay, remove that silly dex to certain skills thing. That belongs under class features if anything, and should not be in this class at all anyway. First thing to take care of: get a table! If you need a template, there is one in the PrC forum (PrC builders cheat sheet or something like that) that can be adapted to base classes. [ code]table[ /code] will get you a nice table. You have to align it yourself. Get rid of the spaces between brackets. I can't do much else until there is a table. Also, that's probably why not many people stopped by here.
YamiShinobi 12-19-07, 06:01 PM	Okay, remove that silly dex to certain skills thing. That belongs under class features if anything, and should not be in this class at all anyway. First thing to take care of: get a table! If you need a template, there is one in the PrC forum (PrC builders cheat sheet or something like that) that can be adapted to base classes. [ code]table[ /code] will get you a nice table. You have to align it yourself. Get rid of the spaces between brackets. I can't do much else until there is a table. Also, that's probably why not many people stopped by here. sakura never needed a strength score
dman11235 12-19-07, 06:12 PM	She took the feat. It has nothing to do with the class, she just took that feat which alows dex to be used for climb, jump, and something else. Also, she had a not bad str score. About 10. EDIT: feat is Agile Athlete from RotW.
vorpo 12-19-07, 06:16 PM	sakura never needed a strength score That may be, but you can't adopt everything exactly when you turn it into a playable DND class. Remember most movie/anime/etc characters are basically a one-person-vs-many type that doesn't exist in DND. Even if CCS is a one-person-vs-one-enemy-per-day-only type most of the time, the scenario hardly exists in DND either. Also, I can even argue Sakura never needed to use her constitution either since she at most fights once a day (doesn't get tired or short on hp etc) and so on and so on.
YamiShinobi 12-19-07, 11:27 PM	That may be, but you can't adopt everything exactly when you turn it into a playable DND class. Remember most movie/anime/etc characters are basically a one-person-vs-many type that doesn't exist in DND. Even if CCS is a one-person-vs-one-enemy-per-day-only type most of the time, the scenario hardly exists in DND either. Also, I can even argue Sakura never needed to use her constitution either since she at most fights once a day (doesn't get tired or short on hp etc) and so on and so on. what about the scuffles with syaoron and meiling, oh wait, they also had a low hit die,, meiling was the equivelant of a chaotic monk with a d4 hit die, syaoran was a duskblade with a d6 hit die specialized in evocation. Tomoyo Daidouji would probably be a d4 rogue with no sneak attack, no trap finding, and max ranks in profession (cook), craft (sewing), profession (photographer), craft (toymaking), craft (leatherworking), appraise, escape artist, knowledge (fads), perform (sing), knowledge (arcana) (she spent time with sakura) craft (metalworking) (the titanium/rubber hybrid dress for catpuring the thunder card) knowledge (local), listen, spot, profession (student) perform (dance), perform, (weapon drill,) (jugglling kitchen knives anyone?) sleight of hand ( to bring said kitchen knives to class for the sake of juggling) and endless other utilitatrian skills as well as weapon proficiency (kitchen knife) weapon proficiency (frying pan) and weapon proficiency (mathbook)
runestar 12-19-07, 11:38 PM	Tomoyo Daidouji would probably be a d4 rogue with no sneak attack It is called expert.;) She apparently also has excellent ranks in sense motive and spot checks, as mentioned by Eriol at the end of the manga (where Tomoyo noted how she knew that he never meant any harm due to that kind look in his eyes). Sakura is apparently able to use any card she wants at-will, and this seems tricky to implement in dnd. I am thinking some sort of warlock, recharge-magic or ToB maneuver system style of "casting", since she rarely appears to use the same spell more than once at any sitting either, and generally no more than 2-3 spells at 1 stretch. For example, in the final battle (according to the manga), she would have readied jump, shield, watery, fly, windy, dark and light. Whoa...but 52 maneuvers...:eek: At least the manga was a tad more sane with just slightly over 20 cards...
YamiShinobi 12-20-07, 12:07 AM	It is called expert.;) She apparently also has excellent ranks in sense motive and spot checks, as mentioned by Eriol at the end of the manga (where Tomoyo noted how she knew that he never meant any harm due to that kind look in his eyes). Sakura is apparently able to use any card she wants at-will, and this seems tricky to implement in dnd. I am thinking some sort of warlock, recharge-magic or ToB maneuver system style of "casting", since she rarely appears to use the same spell more than once at any sitting either, and generally no more than 2-3 spells at 1 stretch. For example, in the final battle (according to the manga), she would have readied jump, shield, watery, fly, windy, dark and light. Whoa...but 52 maneuvers...:eek: At least the manga was a tad more sane with just slightly over 20 cards... how does tome of battle work?
runestar 12-20-07, 01:06 AM	how does tome of battle work? It is hard to describe properly if you have never seen the book before, but I will try my best. Basically, your PC has a list of special attacks, called maneuvers. During combat (or any encounter), you can ready a certain number of them (basically selecting which you want to use). Each maneuver can be used once for a certain effect, and you can refresh them by performing some special actions (varies from class to class). In a way, it is something like Magic: The Gathering. You draw X cards, play them from your hand, and get new cards/refresh old ones over time. Go here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20061225a) and here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060802a) for a very general idea of how it works.:)
YamiShinobi 12-20-07, 01:07 AM	It is called expert.;) She apparently also has excellent ranks in sense motive and spot checks, as mentioned by Eriol at the end of the manga (where Tomoyo noted how she knew that he never meant any harm due to that kind look in his eyes). Sakura is apparently able to use any card she wants at-will, and this seems tricky to implement in dnd. I am thinking some sort of warlock, recharge-magic or ToB maneuver system style of "casting", since she rarely appears to use the same spell more than once at any sitting either, and generally no more than 2-3 spells at 1 stretch. For example, in the final battle (according to the manga), she would have readied jump, shield, watery, fly, windy, dark and light. Whoa...but 52 maneuvers...:eek: At least the manga was a tad more sane with just slightly over 20 cards... expert has a d6 hit die. again the proficiency with the kitchen knife sounds very intriguing. rogue gets more skill points, and a lot more class skills. yeah, most of tomoyo's skills are utilitarian (profiency with the kitchen knife, treat as a broadblade shortsword that costs as much as a dagger, this is what perfrom weapon drill was meant for, juggling kitchen knives)
YamiShinobi 12-20-07, 01:10 AM	also how does the warlock work? i need to compare both.
runestar 12-20-07, 01:22 AM	Warlocks get invocations (basically SLAs) which they can use at-will, and an eldritch blast, which is basically a ranged touch attack which deals damage (think something like a lantern archon's eye ray).
YamiShinobi 12-20-07, 01:26 AM	oh, that should be simple.
dman11235 12-20-07, 09:36 AM	But I think it would have a per day point system. They do get drained if they use too much magic. At will mechanics don't have this. Oh, and Tomoyo is an expert with good int. Also, not max ranks in everything, just most of those things you mentioned. And only one perform. She has that perform feat that lets you use your ranks in one perform as your ranks in a bunch of of others.
runestar 12-20-07, 09:45 AM	I do recall her being very fatigued from converting the clow cards to sakura cards, but that seemed like a physical condition (more like a plot hook), and not a literal "spell point drain" which should not convey any drawbacks in the dnd context. The 2nd movie does suggest that her magic supply is limited (and as such, can be depleted, just that she normally does not reach such a threshold). In retrospect, I suppose some sort of sorc with spell points could work. The cards represent her repertoire of spells known, which she can cast spontaneously using spell points (like psionics). What about that winged lion familiar of her? :P
Mercurius 12-20-07, 01:56 PM	I'm confused. Since when did Tomoyo ever use a knife, frying pan, or book as a weapon? Tomoyo was the epitome of noncombatant, and never did much of anything aside from provide support (much of it in the form of morale bonuses, making Bard the most obvious class for her, D&D-wise). I mean, I love the show to death, and own all of it and the manga, having watched it several times over. I cannot for the life of me recall Tomoyo doing anything in combat aside from bull-rushing Syaoran in the third season (which destroyed her camera, btw). As for the class, can't comment on it thoroughly. I love the idea of incorporating CCS into a D&D game, but I'm leary of actually how they mesh. Someone with access to Clow or Sakura cards is incredibly rare (as in, only one person in the world). Spreading that out is fine enough, but not really a perfect representation. I'll have to get a look at this later on in order to get a better handle on it and maybe give some feedback.
dman11235 12-20-07, 02:04 PM	But Clow created the cards, in a world where magic isn't all that prevalent. So it is reasonable to assume that more people where able to make cards in D&D, therefore increasing the possibility of a card master. Also, I believe that those instances Tomoyo used a knife/pan/etc. you are referring to are not used as a weapon, but as a perform, is what they are trying to say.
YamiShinobi 12-20-07, 02:34 PM	But Clow created the cards, in a world where magic isn't all that prevalent. So it is reasonable to assume that more people where able to make cards in D&D, therefore increasing the possibility of a card master. Also, I believe that those instances Tomoyo used a knife/pan/etc. you are referring to are not used as a weapon, but as a perform, is what they are trying to say. yeah, she occasionally juggles kitchen knives, perform (weapon drill)
Mercurius 12-20-07, 02:46 PM	When? I cannot for the life of me recall seeing Tomoyo "juggle" kitchen knives, either in the anime or manga. Do some fancy kitchen moves during home-ec, maybe, but certainly not juggle them. If someone can cite an episode for me, I'd be more than glad to watch it when I get home. Even if she is juggling them, or doing something else that's showy, that doesn't mean she has Weapon Focus with a knife, or that it's even an actual weapon which she could wield with proficiency.
dman11235 12-20-07, 02:57 PM	How'd we get here? This has no bearing on this class what so ever. Speaking of which, the sooner you clean it up, the sooner I can PEACH.
YamiShinobi 12-20-07, 06:01 PM	How'd we get here? This has no bearing on this class what so ever. Speaking of which, the sooner you clean it up, the sooner I can PEACH. how do you make a table?
dman11235 12-20-07, 06:05 PM	I told you how in my second post. {code}table{/code} replacing the {} with []. There is a PrC builder's cheat sheet in the PrC forum, which you can quote and works well for base classes too, you just need to adapt it. Since I'm such a nice guy I'll link the thread (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=933189) for you.
Eragon_seer 12-20-07, 06:32 PM	well I have never seen the anime or read the manga but I have to say this class is hugely overpowered at low levels and the card progression seems messed up. you have third level spells like fireball available at first level as a card, but 1st level spells like jump and Expeditous retreat not available till much higher levels. and then their is the elemental costumes which are also way overpowered, I mean elemental immunity and flight at first level, come on. oh and a weapon can not have an enhancement bonus higher than +5 without going into epic territory. so the wand thingie has to be either changed or explained
dman11235 12-20-07, 06:49 PM	We'll take care of every thing later. I already have, like, 15 things that need to be touched on right away, to bring it down to overpowered.
YamiShinobi 12-20-07, 07:07 PM	I told you how in my second post. {code}table{/code} replacing the {} with []. There is a PrC builder's cheat sheet in the PrC forum, which you can quote and works well for base classes too, you just need to adapt it. Since I'm such a nice guy I'll link the thread (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=933189) for you. i tried the table and it is now a mess
dman11235 12-20-07, 07:25 PM	Copy a template from the PrC cheat sheet. Fill in BAB, saves, and special there. You have to align it yourself, but overall it becomes much cleaner. You know what? I'll make it for you after dinner.
YamiShinobi 12-21-07, 12:20 AM	Copy a template from the PrC cheat sheet. Fill in BAB, saves, and special there. You have to align it yourself, but overall it becomes much cleaner. You know what? I'll make it for you after dinner. kay.
dman11235 12-21-07, 10:26 AM	And by after dinner I mean today, as I completely forgot. Thanks, family.
dman11235 12-21-07, 10:41 AM	(Cardmaster) Level BAB Fort Ref Will Special cards readied 1 +0 +0 +2 +2 bedtime clairvoyance 2 2 +1 +0 +3 +3 uncanny dodge 2 3 +1 +1 +4 +4 wand+1 2 4 +2 +1 +4 +4 special 3 5 +2 +1 +5 +5 evasion 3 6 +3 +2 +5 +5 wand+2 3 7 +3 +2 +6 +6 special 4 8 +4 +2 +6 +6 wand+3 4 9 +4 +3 +7 +7 special 4 10 +5 +3 +7 +7 5 11 +5 +3 +8 +8 wand+4 5 12 +6 +4 +8 +8 special 5 13 +6 +4 +9 +9 6 14 +7 +4 +9 +9 wand+5 6 15 +7 +5 +10 +10 special 6 16 +8 +5 +10 +10 7 17 +8 +5 +11 +11 wand+6 7 18 +9 +6 +11 +11 special 7 19 +9 +6 +12 +12 8 20 +10 +6 +12 +12 master of the clow 8
Mercurius 12-21-07, 10:43 AM	One thing that crossed my mind is that something similar to the Erudite might be a good mechanical choice to deal with a book of cards. Basically, though the Card Captor might wind up with 52 cards to choose from (and remember, some of them are nigh-useless, like the Bubble), they can only use so many per day. But, rather than preparing them, they have a limit of "unique cards per day" or something. They always have all 52, but in one day, they can only use 5 cards. Any number of times (to a limit, maybe paid with points). Once they use a card, it takes up one of their daily uniques. So if "Sakuya" the gnome card captor has a deck of 17 cards, and three unique cards per day, then the first three cards she uses are the only ones she can use for the rest of the day, up to a limit of her card points or whatever. The Erudite (which explains it a lot better than I can in a quick paragraph) can be found in Complete Psionic, but there's a lot of discussion about it in the Psionics board, so that might help flesh out your understanding.
dman11235 12-21-07, 10:44 AM	You need to measure out the characters you put into it, that's how it gets aligned. An "l" is equal to a " ", as is an "A". So if you want to change a column, you need to get rid or add on an equal number of characters in each row. EDIT (ninja post): That might be a good mechanic.
Mercurius 12-21-07, 11:28 AM	Yeah, it feels more natural. It's not like Sakura walked into the final battle with Light and Dark actually prepared - she had no idea she'd be needing them, and she certainly hadn't ever used them before. She just realized she needed them and pulled 'em out. Basically, it works pretty well as a choice. You've got all the awesome diversity that the cards provide, allowing you to react to whatever it is that's happening in a given episode/adventure, but you're not just going to blow through all 52 cards. That's just not how it should work. I didn't get much of a chance to look at the mechanics last night (sadly), so I just want to throw a potential class feature out there: IF you need your wand to use the cards, it stands to reason that a particularly high level Card Captor can forgoe it entirely. Clow never used a wand/staff, back when he was alive. In season three, you see him simply ask the Flower to activate, and she does. It makes sense for a thematic high level power, that probably isn't even that powerful an ability except in fringe circumstances.
YamiShinobi 12-22-07, 05:54 PM	(Cardmaster) Level BAB Fort Ref Will Special cards readied 1 +0 +0 +2 +2 bedtime clairvoyance 2 2 +1 +0 +3 +3 uncanny dodge 2 3 +1 +1 +4 +4 wand+1 2 4 +2 +1 +4 +4 special 3 5 +2 +1 +5 +5 evasion 3 6 +3 +2 +5 +5 wand+2 3 7 +3 +2 +6 +6 special 4 8 +4 +2 +6 +6 wand+3 4 9 +4 +3 +7 +7 special 4 10 +5 +3 +7 +7 5 11 +5 +3 +8 +8 wand+4 5 12 +6 +4 +8 +8 special 5 13 +6 +4 +9 +9 6 14 +7 +4 +9 +9 wand+5 6 15 +7 +5 +10 +10 special 6 16 +8 +5 +10 +10 7 17 +8 +5 +11 +11 wand+6 7 18 +9 +6 +11 +11 special 7 19 +9 +6 +12 +12 8 20 +10 +6 +12 +12 master of the clow 8 thanks
runestar 12-22-07, 10:33 PM	Come to think of it, the erudite does go about fleshing out the various abilities in a most interesting manner... For those interested, Erudite (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20060406b&page=1) is available for free viewing here. It's not like Sakura walked into the final battle with Light and Dark actually prepared - she had no idea she'd be needing them, and she certainly hadn't ever used them before. She just realized she needed them and pulled 'em out. In game terms, that could have simply meant that she spent 1 round changing her repertoire of cards readied...:D