Chaos monk and flailing strike. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Chaos monk and flailing strike. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
klode_me
12-03-05, 01:37 PM in the dragon issue #335 there is a variant monk called chaos monk, it has an ability called flailing strike.
i have a question for that ability:
is it extra attacks of max. bab or least bab or neither?
Rabid Dire Wolverine
12-03-05, 02:43 PM Max, but there's a small penalty to attack.
klode_me
12-03-05, 05:16 PM Max, but there's a small penalty to attack.
at 17th level, it is a great ability.
if you are lucky and roll a 6, the you have +12/+12/+12/+12/+12/+12/+12/+7/+2 + str modi. (dex if weapon finesse).
and if you have empty hand and improved nat. attack 6d8 but if only imp. nat. att. 4d8(?). the last is best, more free feats.
Rabid Dire Wolverine
12-03-05, 07:42 PM Does improved natural attack work on monks fists? I suppose it does, doesn't it? Huh.
Von Crown
12-03-05, 07:52 PM No. It works on Natural Weapons. Monks use Unarmed Strikes. As odd as this may seem, these are not the same. I've even seen official rulings that monks with natural weapons can't use them more than the listed times with flurry of blows. Nattural attacks are kinda added on to your other attacks if you have them.
klode_me
12-04-05, 07:00 AM No. It works on Natural Weapons. Monks use Unarmed Strikes. As odd as this may seem, these are not the same. I've even seen official rulings that monks with natural weapons can't use them more than the listed times with flurry of blows. Nattural attacks are kinda added on to your other attacks if you have them.

it works, WoC have declared it in the FAQ.
Bob Loblaw
12-04-05, 12:02 PM Does improved natural attack work on monks fists? I suppose it does, doesn't it? Huh.

You are going to find that the answer is about a 50/50 split on this one. You are also going to find legitimate arguments for both sides. Personally, I think that you may be well served by allowing it as a test to see if it is unbalanced or not for your game. A few points to keep in mind:

1) Monks cannot normally enchant their unarmed attacks to make them more potent
2) The unarmed strike is not necessarily a natural attack by the rules
3) The average damage is only increased by 1 point
4) The feat is normally reserved only for monsters (it is in the MM and it clearly states that, but it also states that the feats can be used by PCs if the DM allows).

I allow it. I have found that monks are not overpowered with this feat. However, some DMs find that the monk can be, so I suggest testing it in the games you run or play in.

Good luck.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
klode_me 12-03-05, 01:37 PM	in the dragon issue #335 there is a variant monk called chaos monk, it has an ability called flailing strike. i have a question for that ability: is it extra attacks of max. bab or least bab or neither?
Rabid Dire Wolverine 12-03-05, 02:43 PM	Max, but there's a small penalty to attack.
klode_me 12-03-05, 05:16 PM	Max, but there's a small penalty to attack. at 17th level, it is a great ability. if you are lucky and roll a 6, the you have +12/+12/+12/+12/+12/+12/+12/+7/+2 + str modi. (dex if weapon finesse). and if you have empty hand and improved nat. attack 6d8 but if only imp. nat. att. 4d8(?). the last is best, more free feats.
Rabid Dire Wolverine 12-03-05, 07:42 PM	Does improved natural attack work on monks fists? I suppose it does, doesn't it? Huh.
Von Crown 12-03-05, 07:52 PM	No. It works on Natural Weapons. Monks use Unarmed Strikes. As odd as this may seem, these are not the same. I've even seen official rulings that monks with natural weapons can't use them more than the listed times with flurry of blows. Nattural attacks are kinda added on to your other attacks if you have them.
klode_me 12-04-05, 07:00 AM	No. It works on Natural Weapons. Monks use Unarmed Strikes. As odd as this may seem, these are not the same. I've even seen official rulings that monks with natural weapons can't use them more than the listed times with flurry of blows. Nattural attacks are kinda added on to your other attacks if you have them. it works, WoC have declared it in the FAQ.
Bob Loblaw 12-04-05, 12:02 PM	Does improved natural attack work on monks fists? I suppose it does, doesn't it? Huh. You are going to find that the answer is about a 50/50 split on this one. You are also going to find legitimate arguments for both sides. Personally, I think that you may be well served by allowing it as a test to see if it is unbalanced or not for your game. A few points to keep in mind: 1) Monks cannot normally enchant their unarmed attacks to make them more potent 2) The unarmed strike is not necessarily a natural attack by the rules 3) The average damage is only increased by 1 point 4) The feat is normally reserved only for monsters (it is in the MM and it clearly states that, but it also states that the feats can be used by PCs if the DM allows). I allow it. I have found that monks are not overpowered with this feat. However, some DMs find that the monk can be, so I suggest testing it in the games you run or play in. Good luck.