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Dusken
10-09-07, 03:06 PM I'm looking to make a villian for a RPG run through of a short story I'm running. In a nutshell I am interested in who would win comparing the hero and the villian based on 3.5 rules.

The guidelines:

1) The character must have monk and enlightened fist levels. Enough enlightened fist levels to use touch spells with his attacks. (level 4?) No more than two base classes, prefer to keep things at one prestige class. 15 total levels, 200k weath by level (DMG pg 135)

2) No divine classes, no wizard, no sorceror. NO sword sages

3) The character is evil, no classes requiring good alignment ever.

4) Options are limited to the core books, complete books, race books, spell compendium, and Dragonlance campaign setting. No Tome of Battle, Tome of Magic, Book of Vile Darkness, Book of Exhalted Deeds, or any psionic sourcebook.

5) Human, no templates.

6) Would like to have access to Mirror Image and Touch of Idiocy either through spell, ability, or item use.

I have faith that many of you would like the challenge. I hope that "This class/race/build sucks" posts will be kept to a minimum. Keep in mind that the story is already written, but I will post the round by round as it unfolds if there is interest.
Nephlite
10-09-07, 03:53 PM I'm looking to make a villian for a RPG run through of a short story I'm running. In a nutshell I am interested in who would win comparing the hero and the villian based on 3.5 rules.

The guidelines:

1) The character must have monk and enlightened fist levels. Enough enlightened fist levels to use touch spells with his attacks. (level 4?) No more than two base classes, prefer to keep things at one prestige class. 15 total levels, 200k weath by level (DMG pg 135)

Why Monk? Enlightened Fist is gained by other classes...
Btw: arcane Fist is 3rd level.

2) No divine classes, no wizard, no sorceror. NO sword sages

4) Options are limited to the core books, complete books, race books, spell compendium, and Dragonlance campaign setting. No Tome of Battle, Tome of Magic, Book of Vile Darkness, Book of Exhalted Deeds, or any psionic sourcebook.

I'm confused: you banned Tome of Battle; why mention no Swordsage...thet is ToB...

Why no Psionics?

What spellcasting classes are left?
Warmage, Wu Jen (hardly any touch spells), Bard,

6) Would like to have access to Mirror Image and Touch of Idiocy either through spell, ability, or item use.

You mean: needs or can have?

I have faith that many of you would like the challenge. I hope that "This class/race/build sucks" posts will be kept to a minimum. Keep in mind that the story is already written, but I will post the round by round as it unfolds if there is interest.

Strange rules.

One question: what point buy?
bkdubs123
10-09-07, 04:33 PM A Monk 2 Duskblade 3 would be an interesting entry into Enlightened Fist although the armor allowances of the Duskblade don't do anything for the character and Arcane Channeling is a little redundant with Arcane Fist.

Another interesting choice would be Monk 2 Warlock 3. Once you got Hold Ray you could make a full unarmed attack while hitting someone with an Eldritch Blast (modified with essenses and shapes even!). The Warlock doesn't have a great deal of touch invocations however (unless new ones have come out) so the returns on this build may take a while to see although Hold Ray is certainly worth it!

I immediately like the idea of a Monk/Wu Jen, although as brought up earlier they have few touch spells. Let's go into more depth. Elemental Burst is touch (although not a great one), Kiss of the Toad is their only 2nd level touch spell though it is good, NO 3rd level touches (looking very grim), Rusting Grasp comes in at 4th which is quite nice, Yeesh nothing 5th or 6th, at 7th you get Withering Palm which is excellent, nothing again in 8th, but in 9th you can pick up Imprisonment which is quite nasty.

I quite like the existing spell list of the Wu Jen, but I wouldn't be averse to adding some touch spells to it. There are several fitting touch spells in the Spell Compendium that you could adapt for the Wu Jen's spell list, and the Spell Compendium actually says that you can do this for your game should you feel the need to bring other arcane casters up to speed.

My final recommedation: If you can find other Warlock invocations that require touch attacks other than Curse of Despair and Devour Magic (both quite good however) go with Monk 2/Warlock 3/Enlightened Fist 10. Make sure to pick up Practiced Spellcaster and Superior Unarmed Strike and you are ready to knock people senseless!

If you cannot find any worthwhile Warlock invocations to take then appropriate some touch spells for the Wu Jen class and go with Monk 2/Wu Jen 3/Enlightened Fist 7 and pick up either a few more Monk levels, maybe some Paladin levels (going with the Paladin of Tyranny from Unearthed Arcana) or go with 3 levels in Abjurant Champion to round out your BAB and boost the Wu Jen's large amount of buffs.
Dusken
10-09-07, 04:41 PM Why Monk? Enlightened Fist is gained by other classes...
Btw: arcane Fist is 3rd level.

Didn't have the book with me, was going from memory. If the build is good enough I could be swayed from monk. The villian's tribe teaches all able-bodied youths to fight without weapons until they are considered an adult. Dipping into monk seems better than grabbing a feat.

I'm confused: you banned Tome of Battle; why mention no Swordsage...thet is ToB...

I know it's from ToB, but just the mere mention of Swordsage vs. Monk makes me twitch.

Why no Psionics?

The villian and hero are from a nomadic tribe that has no history of psionic talent. The tribe also believes that they do not have arcane casters among them, stemming from casting them out generations ago. Divine magic is explained by miracles worked by ancestor spirits to guard the living. The villian breaks tradition by discovering arcane talent within himself.

What spellcasting classes are left?
Warmage, Wu Jen (hardly any touch spells), Bard,

Duskblade, Beguiler, Spellthief, Warlock, Hexblade....

Again, no books available at the moment, so this is from memory. I would consider sorceror but there are a few monk/sorceror/enlightened fist build out there already. I was hoping for something different.

You mean: needs or can have?

Those two spells are mentioned in the story. I can take poetic license and write them out, hence the like to have.

Strange rules.

Just trying to keep the flavor of the story. And I figure the challenge would peak some people's interest.

One question: what point buy?

Don't worry too much about attributes, if necessary consider minimum for all feats, maximum 17 (+3 mod) at first level. If you require a point buy, then 32 points.
Nephlite
10-09-07, 06:54 PM Monk 1/Bard 9/Enlightened Fist 5
Human
Alignment: NE (started LE, but took up Bardship so NE)
Str 16
Dex 18
Con 18
Int 14
Wis 12
Cha 21

Hp: 122
AC: 27 [10 (+3 Mithral Breastplate) +8 +2 ring +1 Insight +4 Dex, +2 NA]
Speed: 30 feet
BAB: +10/5
Init: 4+3=+7
Saves: Fort: 14/ Ref: 20/ Will: 17

Skills: Rank: Total
Concentration: 14 (14+4=18)
Balance: 5 (5+4+2 -1=10)
Escape Artist: 12 (12+4 -1=15)
Hide: 13 (13+4 -1=16)
Move Silent: 9 (9+4 -1=12)
Listen: 5 (5+1=6)
Perform (Dance): 16 (16+5=21)
Sense Motive: 5 (5+1=6)
Spot: 14 (14+1=15)
Tumble: 12 (12+2+4 -1=17)
Swim: 4 (4+3-2=5)
Jump: 5 (5+3+2 -1=9)
Knowledge Arcana: 5 (5+2=7)
Spellcraft: 5 (5+2=7))
Sleight of Hand: 8 (8+4 -1=11)

Skill Tricks Useable 1/encounter:
1) Spot the Weak Point: Standard action, Spot check DC = AC of opponent. Next attack touch attack.
2) Escape Attack: Escape Grapple, single melee attack light weapon as swift action
3) Conceal Spellcasting: Sleight of hand check to conceal it
4) Nimble Charge: No balance when run/charge difficult surface
5) Shrouded Dance: move action, DC 20 Hide, concealment until start of next turn.

Feat:
Human: Improved Initiative
Monk: Unarmed Strike/Stunning Fist: 6+1 +3=10/day
Bard: Music: 9+4=13/day
Inspire Courage: +2
Inspire Greatness: 1 target
1) Combat Casting
3) Weapon Focus: unarmed
6) Extra Stunning: +3
9) Arcane Strike
12) Lyric Spell: Cast spells using Bardic Music: 1 + Spell level to cast.
15) Extra Music: +4 Music

Enlighten Fist Bonus:
Fist of Energy: 1/round, free action, Deal fire or elec +1d6 in exchange for 1 stun attempt
Arcane Fist: 1 stun attempt, cast +deliver 1 touch spell as part of unarmed full attack.
Arcane Rejuvenation: Heal =Spell level hp as standard action.
Weapons:
Unarmed +2: Hit +16/+11 (1d10 +5)
Whip: Hit +13/+8, (1d6 +3)
Club (priceless): Hit +13/+8 (1d6+3)
Arcane strike adds as free action: +1 hit per spell level, +1d4 per spell level

Gear:
+4 Gloves Dex/Arrow Snaring (16 K+(1.5) 4) 22K gp,
Ioun of Dusty Rose 5 K gp,
+2 ring Protection 8 K gp,
Mighty Fist/ +2 NA/+4 Amulet Health (24+ (1.5) 16K + (1.5) 8K) 60 K gp,
+3 Mithral Breastplate 13.2K gp,
Cloak of Charisma +4/Resistance +4 (16 K + (1.5) 16) 48 K gp,
Belt of Giant Str (+4)/Monk (16 K + (1.5) 13 k) 35.5 K gp
Heward’s Handy Haversack 2K
Whip (1gp)
Spell Component Pouch: x2 (10 gp)
Spent: 193, 689

Spells Known:
6 0th :
Minor Disguise
Flare
Prestigidation
Read Magic
Open/close

4 1st:
Grease
Targeting Ray
Improvisation: 2 x caster points: can add to attack, skill, or ability check.
Inspirational Boost
4 2nd:
Cloud of Bewilderment
Sting Ray
Know Vulnerabilities
Lively Step
4 3rd:
Curse of Impending Blades, Mass
Dolorous Blow
Ray of Dizziness
G’elsewhere Chant
4 4th
Spectral Weapon
CCW
Ray Deflection
Cacophonic Shield
2 5th
Blink, greater
Shadow Evocation

Spells/day:
0: 3
1: 3+2=5
2: 3 +1=4
3: 3+1=4
4: 2 +1=3
5: 0 +1=1

Has few Touch spells, but lots of buffing spells.
Improvisation alone gives up to 4 attack a +6 bonus.
bkdubs123
10-09-07, 08:21 PM Well, alright, alright. I guess I'll give this the college try:

Monk 2/Wu Jen 3/Paladin of Tyranny 3/Enlightened Fist 7

Elf
Alignment: Lawful Evil
Str 10
Dex 18
Con 14
Int 22
Wis 8
Cha 16

HP 105
AC 29 [10 +4Dex +6from Monk AC +9 Deflection]
Speed: 30ft
Base Attack: +10/+5
Initiative: +3
Saves: Fort 14 Ref 15 Will 15

Skills: Total (Ranks)
Escape Artist: 19 (15)
Hide: 23 (15) (+5 from Cloak)
Move Silently: 22 (18)
Concentration: 20 (18)
Diplomacy: 12 (9)
Listen: 14 (15)
Knowledge (arcana): 11 (5)
Knowledge (religion): 11 (5)
Knowledge (nobility): 11 (5)
Spellcraft: 11 (5)
Tumble: 16 (12)

Feats:
Monk Feats: Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist 10/day (1 from Monk's Belt)
1st level: Kung Fu Genius
3rd level: Combat Casting, Extend Spell (Wu Jen bonus feat)
6th level: Versatile Unarmed Strike
9th level: Practiced Spellcaster
12th level: Fiery Fist
15th level: Fiery Ki Defense

Class Features:
Unarmed Strike 2d6
Flurry of Blows
AC Bonus (Intelligence, +1, +1 more from Monk's Belt)
Evasion
Watchful Spirit (1/day reroll initiative)
Spell Secret (accept a quirk and permanently effect a spell with a metamagic - Extended Protection from Good or Cat's Grace)
Aura of Evil
Detect Good
Smite Good 1/day (+3 to attack roll, +3 to damage)
Deadly Touch (reverse of Lay on Hands, 9 negative energy damage per day)
Aura of Despair (foes within 10ft get -2 to all saves)
Divine Grace (Charisma bonus to saving throws)
Ki Strike (magic)
Fist of Energy (Burst)
Arcane Fist
Arcane Rejuvenation
Hold Ray

Gear:
Bracers of Armor +5, 25,000gp
Ring of Protection +4, 32,000gp
Headband of Intellect +6, 36,000gp
Manual of Quickness in Action +2, 55,000gp
Elvenkind Cloak of Charisma (+5 to Hide, +2 to Charisma), 6,500gp
Periapt of Health +4, 16,000gp
Monk's Belt of Battle, 25,000gp
Spell Component Pouch x2, 10gp
Spellbook, 15gp
(Gold spent - 194, 525)

Spells per Day: (Bonus spells included)
0: 4
1: 6
2: 6
3: 5
4: 4
5: 3
6: 2

Again has few touch spells, but lots of buffs, but the Wu Jen can learn other arcane spells from scrolls and of course you can adapt some other spells from spell compendium if you'd like. The Aura of Despair works wonders to help your spells and you have a myriad of offensive and defensive boosts through Stunning Fists, Energy Fist, Fiery Fist, Deadly Touch, Fiery Ki Defense and the several self buffs available to Wu Jen's. Use your Belt of Battle to gain extra actions to buff yourself if need be, activate your Ki Defense and tear into opponents with your powerfully enhanced attacks.
Dusken
10-10-07, 12:21 PM I like the two options listed here. Kinda hoped that I'd get more of a response, but that's alright.

I was thumbing through the complete warrior and thought that maybe a hexblade 8/monk 2/enlightened fist 5 might be interesting, using the dark companion option out of PHB2. Taking anything with an armor proficiency seems a bit of a waste though. Not sure, depends on if a higher wisdom was used for not. Low wisdom would counter some MAD and make armor a bit more useful. It's not like Stunning Fist is terribly useful at that level besides fueling EFist abilities and feats.
bkdubs123
10-10-07, 01:41 PM You should note that with Kung Fu Genius on my build I eliminate MAD by shifting anything Monk related that relied on Wisdom to Intelligence this means AC bonus, but also Stunning Fist save DC, along with boosting the save DCs of the Wu Jen's spells. Couple that with the Aura of Despair and Stunning Fist can easily be useful.

Also, if you can get Gauntlets of Dexterity and Ogre Power (a bit of a stretch) swap that tome out, I just couldn't afford to get both so I chose an inherent bonus rather than a magical one.

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Dusken 10-09-07, 03:06 PM	I'm looking to make a villian for a RPG run through of a short story I'm running. In a nutshell I am interested in who would win comparing the hero and the villian based on 3.5 rules. The guidelines: 1) The character must have monk and enlightened fist levels. Enough enlightened fist levels to use touch spells with his attacks. (level 4?) No more than two base classes, prefer to keep things at one prestige class. 15 total levels, 200k weath by level (DMG pg 135) 2) No divine classes, no wizard, no sorceror. NO sword sages 3) The character is evil, no classes requiring good alignment ever. 4) Options are limited to the core books, complete books, race books, spell compendium, and Dragonlance campaign setting. No Tome of Battle, Tome of Magic, Book of Vile Darkness, Book of Exhalted Deeds, or any psionic sourcebook. 5) Human, no templates. 6) Would like to have access to Mirror Image and Touch of Idiocy either through spell, ability, or item use. I have faith that many of you would like the challenge. I hope that "This class/race/build sucks" posts will be kept to a minimum. Keep in mind that the story is already written, but I will post the round by round as it unfolds if there is interest.
Nephlite 10-09-07, 03:53 PM	I'm looking to make a villian for a RPG run through of a short story I'm running. In a nutshell I am interested in who would win comparing the hero and the villian based on 3.5 rules. The guidelines: 1) The character must have monk and enlightened fist levels. Enough enlightened fist levels to use touch spells with his attacks. (level 4?) No more than two base classes, prefer to keep things at one prestige class. 15 total levels, 200k weath by level (DMG pg 135) Why Monk? Enlightened Fist is gained by other classes... Btw: arcane Fist is 3rd level. 2) No divine classes, no wizard, no sorceror. NO sword sages 4) Options are limited to the core books, complete books, race books, spell compendium, and Dragonlance campaign setting. No Tome of Battle, Tome of Magic, Book of Vile Darkness, Book of Exhalted Deeds, or any psionic sourcebook. I'm confused: you banned Tome of Battle; why mention no Swordsage...thet is ToB... Why no Psionics? What spellcasting classes are left? Warmage, Wu Jen (hardly any touch spells), Bard, 6) Would like to have access to Mirror Image and Touch of Idiocy either through spell, ability, or item use. You mean: needs or can have? I have faith that many of you would like the challenge. I hope that "This class/race/build sucks" posts will be kept to a minimum. Keep in mind that the story is already written, but I will post the round by round as it unfolds if there is interest. Strange rules. One question: what point buy?
bkdubs123 10-09-07, 04:33 PM	A Monk 2 Duskblade 3 would be an interesting entry into Enlightened Fist although the armor allowances of the Duskblade don't do anything for the character and Arcane Channeling is a little redundant with Arcane Fist. Another interesting choice would be Monk 2 Warlock 3. Once you got Hold Ray you could make a full unarmed attack while hitting someone with an Eldritch Blast (modified with essenses and shapes even!). The Warlock doesn't have a great deal of touch invocations however (unless new ones have come out) so the returns on this build may take a while to see although Hold Ray is certainly worth it! I immediately like the idea of a Monk/Wu Jen, although as brought up earlier they have few touch spells. Let's go into more depth. Elemental Burst is touch (although not a great one), Kiss of the Toad is their only 2nd level touch spell though it is good, NO 3rd level touches (looking very grim), Rusting Grasp comes in at 4th which is quite nice, Yeesh nothing 5th or 6th, at 7th you get Withering Palm which is excellent, nothing again in 8th, but in 9th you can pick up Imprisonment which is quite nasty. I quite like the existing spell list of the Wu Jen, but I wouldn't be averse to adding some touch spells to it. There are several fitting touch spells in the Spell Compendium that you could adapt for the Wu Jen's spell list, and the Spell Compendium actually says that you can do this for your game should you feel the need to bring other arcane casters up to speed. My final recommedation: If you can find other Warlock invocations that require touch attacks other than Curse of Despair and Devour Magic (both quite good however) go with Monk 2/Warlock 3/Enlightened Fist 10. Make sure to pick up Practiced Spellcaster and Superior Unarmed Strike and you are ready to knock people senseless! If you cannot find any worthwhile Warlock invocations to take then appropriate some touch spells for the Wu Jen class and go with Monk 2/Wu Jen 3/Enlightened Fist 7 and pick up either a few more Monk levels, maybe some Paladin levels (going with the Paladin of Tyranny from Unearthed Arcana) or go with 3 levels in Abjurant Champion to round out your BAB and boost the Wu Jen's large amount of buffs.
Dusken 10-09-07, 04:41 PM	Why Monk? Enlightened Fist is gained by other classes... Btw: arcane Fist is 3rd level. Didn't have the book with me, was going from memory. If the build is good enough I could be swayed from monk. The villian's tribe teaches all able-bodied youths to fight without weapons until they are considered an adult. Dipping into monk seems better than grabbing a feat. I'm confused: you banned Tome of Battle; why mention no Swordsage...thet is ToB... I know it's from ToB, but just the mere mention of Swordsage vs. Monk makes me twitch. Why no Psionics? The villian and hero are from a nomadic tribe that has no history of psionic talent. The tribe also believes that they do not have arcane casters among them, stemming from casting them out generations ago. Divine magic is explained by miracles worked by ancestor spirits to guard the living. The villian breaks tradition by discovering arcane talent within himself. What spellcasting classes are left? Warmage, Wu Jen (hardly any touch spells), Bard, Duskblade, Beguiler, Spellthief, Warlock, Hexblade.... Again, no books available at the moment, so this is from memory. I would consider sorceror but there are a few monk/sorceror/enlightened fist build out there already. I was hoping for something different. You mean: needs or can have? Those two spells are mentioned in the story. I can take poetic license and write them out, hence the like to have. Strange rules. Just trying to keep the flavor of the story. And I figure the challenge would peak some people's interest. One question: what point buy? Don't worry too much about attributes, if necessary consider minimum for all feats, maximum 17 (+3 mod) at first level. If you require a point buy, then 32 points.
Nephlite 10-09-07, 06:54 PM	Monk 1/Bard 9/Enlightened Fist 5 Human Alignment: NE (started LE, but took up Bardship so NE) Str 16 Dex 18 Con 18 Int 14 Wis 12 Cha 21 Hp: 122 AC: 27 [10 (+3 Mithral Breastplate) +8 +2 ring +1 Insight +4 Dex, +2 NA] Speed: 30 feet BAB: +10/5 Init: 4+3=+7 Saves: Fort: 14/ Ref: 20/ Will: 17 Skills: Rank: Total Concentration: 14 (14+4=18) Balance: 5 (5+4+2 -1=10) Escape Artist: 12 (12+4 -1=15) Hide: 13 (13+4 -1=16) Move Silent: 9 (9+4 -1=12) Listen: 5 (5+1=6) Perform (Dance): 16 (16+5=21) Sense Motive: 5 (5+1=6) Spot: 14 (14+1=15) Tumble: 12 (12+2+4 -1=17) Swim: 4 (4+3-2=5) Jump: 5 (5+3+2 -1=9) Knowledge Arcana: 5 (5+2=7) Spellcraft: 5 (5+2=7)) Sleight of Hand: 8 (8+4 -1=11) Skill Tricks Useable 1/encounter: 1) Spot the Weak Point: Standard action, Spot check DC = AC of opponent. Next attack touch attack. 2) Escape Attack: Escape Grapple, single melee attack light weapon as swift action 3) Conceal Spellcasting: Sleight of hand check to conceal it 4) Nimble Charge: No balance when run/charge difficult surface 5) Shrouded Dance: move action, DC 20 Hide, concealment until start of next turn. Feat: Human: Improved Initiative Monk: Unarmed Strike/Stunning Fist: 6+1 +3=10/day Bard: Music: 9+4=13/day Inspire Courage: +2 Inspire Greatness: 1 target 1) Combat Casting 3) Weapon Focus: unarmed 6) Extra Stunning: +3 9) Arcane Strike 12) Lyric Spell: Cast spells using Bardic Music: 1 + Spell level to cast. 15) Extra Music: +4 Music Enlighten Fist Bonus: Fist of Energy: 1/round, free action, Deal fire or elec +1d6 in exchange for 1 stun attempt Arcane Fist: 1 stun attempt, cast +deliver 1 touch spell as part of unarmed full attack. Arcane Rejuvenation: Heal =Spell level hp as standard action. Weapons: Unarmed +2: Hit +16/+11 (1d10 +5) Whip: Hit +13/+8, (1d6 +3) Club (priceless): Hit +13/+8 (1d6+3) Arcane strike adds as free action: +1 hit per spell level, +1d4 per spell level Gear: +4 Gloves Dex/Arrow Snaring (16 K+(1.5) 4) 22K gp, Ioun of Dusty Rose 5 K gp, +2 ring Protection 8 K gp, Mighty Fist/ +2 NA/+4 Amulet Health (24+ (1.5) 16K + (1.5) 8K) 60 K gp, +3 Mithral Breastplate 13.2K gp, Cloak of Charisma +4/Resistance +4 (16 K + (1.5) 16) 48 K gp, Belt of Giant Str (+4)/Monk (16 K + (1.5) 13 k) 35.5 K gp Heward’s Handy Haversack 2K Whip (1gp) Spell Component Pouch: x2 (10 gp) Spent: 193, 689 Spells Known: 6 0th : Minor Disguise Flare Prestigidation Read Magic Open/close 4 1st: Grease Targeting Ray Improvisation: 2 x caster points: can add to attack, skill, or ability check. Inspirational Boost 4 2nd: Cloud of Bewilderment Sting Ray Know Vulnerabilities Lively Step 4 3rd: Curse of Impending Blades, Mass Dolorous Blow Ray of Dizziness G’elsewhere Chant 4 4th Spectral Weapon CCW Ray Deflection Cacophonic Shield 2 5th Blink, greater Shadow Evocation Spells/day: 0: 3 1: 3+2=5 2: 3 +1=4 3: 3+1=4 4: 2 +1=3 5: 0 +1=1 Has few Touch spells, but lots of buffing spells. Improvisation alone gives up to 4 attack a +6 bonus.
bkdubs123 10-09-07, 08:21 PM	Well, alright, alright. I guess I'll give this the college try: Monk 2/Wu Jen 3/Paladin of Tyranny 3/Enlightened Fist 7 Elf Alignment: Lawful Evil Str 10 Dex 18 Con 14 Int 22 Wis 8 Cha 16 HP 105 AC 29 [10 +4Dex +6from Monk AC +9 Deflection] Speed: 30ft Base Attack: +10/+5 Initiative: +3 Saves: Fort 14 Ref 15 Will 15 Skills: Total (Ranks) Escape Artist: 19 (15) Hide: 23 (15) (+5 from Cloak) Move Silently: 22 (18) Concentration: 20 (18) Diplomacy: 12 (9) Listen: 14 (15) Knowledge (arcana): 11 (5) Knowledge (religion): 11 (5) Knowledge (nobility): 11 (5) Spellcraft: 11 (5) Tumble: 16 (12) Feats: Monk Feats: Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist 10/day (1 from Monk's Belt) 1st level: Kung Fu Genius 3rd level: Combat Casting, Extend Spell (Wu Jen bonus feat) 6th level: Versatile Unarmed Strike 9th level: Practiced Spellcaster 12th level: Fiery Fist 15th level: Fiery Ki Defense Class Features: Unarmed Strike 2d6 Flurry of Blows AC Bonus (Intelligence, +1, +1 more from Monk's Belt) Evasion Watchful Spirit (1/day reroll initiative) Spell Secret (accept a quirk and permanently effect a spell with a metamagic - Extended Protection from Good or Cat's Grace) Aura of Evil Detect Good Smite Good 1/day (+3 to attack roll, +3 to damage) Deadly Touch (reverse of Lay on Hands, 9 negative energy damage per day) Aura of Despair (foes within 10ft get -2 to all saves) Divine Grace (Charisma bonus to saving throws) Ki Strike (magic) Fist of Energy (Burst) Arcane Fist Arcane Rejuvenation Hold Ray Gear: Bracers of Armor +5, 25,000gp Ring of Protection +4, 32,000gp Headband of Intellect +6, 36,000gp Manual of Quickness in Action +2, 55,000gp Elvenkind Cloak of Charisma (+5 to Hide, +2 to Charisma), 6,500gp Periapt of Health +4, 16,000gp Monk's Belt of Battle, 25,000gp Spell Component Pouch x2, 10gp Spellbook, 15gp (Gold spent - 194, 525) Spells per Day: (Bonus spells included) 0: 4 1: 6 2: 6 3: 5 4: 4 5: 3 6: 2 Again has few touch spells, but lots of buffs, but the Wu Jen can learn other arcane spells from scrolls and of course you can adapt some other spells from spell compendium if you'd like. The Aura of Despair works wonders to help your spells and you have a myriad of offensive and defensive boosts through Stunning Fists, Energy Fist, Fiery Fist, Deadly Touch, Fiery Ki Defense and the several self buffs available to Wu Jen's. Use your Belt of Battle to gain extra actions to buff yourself if need be, activate your Ki Defense and tear into opponents with your powerfully enhanced attacks.
Dusken 10-10-07, 12:21 PM	I like the two options listed here. Kinda hoped that I'd get more of a response, but that's alright. I was thumbing through the complete warrior and thought that maybe a hexblade 8/monk 2/enlightened fist 5 might be interesting, using the dark companion option out of PHB2. Taking anything with an armor proficiency seems a bit of a waste though. Not sure, depends on if a higher wisdom was used for not. Low wisdom would counter some MAD and make armor a bit more useful. It's not like Stunning Fist is terribly useful at that level besides fueling EFist abilities and feats.
bkdubs123 10-10-07, 01:41 PM	You should note that with Kung Fu Genius on my build I eliminate MAD by shifting anything Monk related that relied on Wisdom to Intelligence this means AC bonus, but also Stunning Fist save DC, along with boosting the save DCs of the Wu Jen's spells. Couple that with the Aura of Despair and Stunning Fist can easily be useful. Also, if you can get Gauntlets of Dexterity and Ogre Power (a bit of a stretch) swap that tome out, I just couldn't afford to get both so I chose an inherent bonus rather than a magical one.