Class ability replacement features for barbarians and rangers [Archive] - Wizards Community

Class ability replacement features for barbarians and rangers [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Shadowfax7
02-22-07, 02:15 PM Is there a class ability replacement feature to give barbarians and rangers trapfinding, such as in UA for some of their other abilities ?
Shadowfax7
02-23-07, 02:38 PM Did I imagine this . . . I thought I saw talk about this on these boards ??

Anyone know what class abilities are replaced and what book its from ??
EntropicShadow
02-23-07, 02:43 PM Dungeonscape has what you are looking for. Rangers can pick up trapfinding and Barbarians get a way to smash traps. I forget offhand what they give up.
SCMrks
02-23-07, 03:15 PM Rangers give up Track for Trapfinding
Shadowfax7
02-23-07, 04:06 PM Rangers give up Track for TrapfindingTrack is a very useful feat for a Ranger . . . plus I am not sure I see the flavor of a Ranger finding traps in a dungeon.
Rulebook
02-23-07, 05:36 PM play a Scout.
The_Shaman
02-23-07, 08:59 PM It would be great if trapfinding were a feat. As it is, a ranger may just need to take this substitution and then select track as one of his bonus feats.
Shadowfax7
02-23-07, 09:18 PM bonus feats. Do you mean the regular feats you get every 3 levels ??

Is the Trapfinding replacement ability the Ranger can get the same as a Rogue's, meaning usable anywhere, not restricted to natural terrain or something??
Marcotic
02-23-07, 11:47 PM well there is an iteresting UA variant for rage, instead of +4 to con, you gain +2 dodge bonus on AC, you gain evasion (whilst raging) eventually, you gain buffs to reflex whilst raging, you gain an extra attack (all attack take a -2 for that round) it grows as a regular barbarian does, and over all its' pretty good, maybe even better then a regular rage
The_Shaman
02-24-07, 04:19 AM Do you mean the regular feats you get every 3 levels ??

Yes, even then it's imo quite good when the party doesn't have a trapfinder already.
Shadowfax7
02-24-07, 09:28 AM Well my thinking goes like this . . .

Trapfinding = class ability
Track = feat

Class ability > feat (usually and according to popular board opinion)

Trapfinding = Track with restrictions ?? (such as usable only in natural terrain)

OR is the opinion that trading in Track (a feat w/o prereqs) for Trapfinding is equal ??
The_Shaman
02-24-07, 07:18 PM Not always. Some class abilities are way worse than the feats (see familiar as feature vs Obtain familiar feat). It's just what your concept for a character is. I expect rangers to be as skilled trappers as they are trackers, if anything. It could be solved with a scout dip, but I see no reasons why scouts should be that better at it than rangers are.

Bottom line: it could make a decent feat. It's quite different from track though, so I'd rather it were not related.
Shadowfax7
02-25-07, 02:21 PM Not always. Some class abilities are way worse than the feats (see familiar as feature vs Obtain familiar feat).I was always under teh impression that the Familiar class feature was better than the Obtain Familiar feat which can only be taken at 3rd level +.

However, I understand your point.

BTW is the Ranger replacement ability of trapfinding for track not restricted to natural terrain ??

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Shadowfax7 02-22-07, 02:15 PM	Is there a class ability replacement feature to give barbarians and rangers trapfinding, such as in UA for some of their other abilities ?
Shadowfax7 02-23-07, 02:38 PM	Did I imagine this . . . I thought I saw talk about this on these boards ?? Anyone know what class abilities are replaced and what book its from ??
EntropicShadow 02-23-07, 02:43 PM	Dungeonscape has what you are looking for. Rangers can pick up trapfinding and Barbarians get a way to smash traps. I forget offhand what they give up.
SCMrks 02-23-07, 03:15 PM	Rangers give up Track for Trapfinding
Shadowfax7 02-23-07, 04:06 PM	Rangers give up Track for TrapfindingTrack is a very useful feat for a Ranger . . . plus I am not sure I see the flavor of a Ranger finding traps in a dungeon.
Rulebook 02-23-07, 05:36 PM	play a Scout.
The_Shaman 02-23-07, 08:59 PM	It would be great if trapfinding were a feat. As it is, a ranger may just need to take this substitution and then select track as one of his bonus feats.
Shadowfax7 02-23-07, 09:18 PM	bonus feats. Do you mean the regular feats you get every 3 levels ?? Is the Trapfinding replacement ability the Ranger can get the same as a Rogue's, meaning usable anywhere, not restricted to natural terrain or something??
Marcotic 02-23-07, 11:47 PM	well there is an iteresting UA variant for rage, instead of +4 to con, you gain +2 dodge bonus on AC, you gain evasion (whilst raging) eventually, you gain buffs to reflex whilst raging, you gain an extra attack (all attack take a -2 for that round) it grows as a regular barbarian does, and over all its' pretty good, maybe even better then a regular rage
The_Shaman 02-24-07, 04:19 AM	Do you mean the regular feats you get every 3 levels ?? Yes, even then it's imo quite good when the party doesn't have a trapfinder already.
Shadowfax7 02-24-07, 09:28 AM	Well my thinking goes like this . . . Trapfinding = class ability Track = feat Class ability > feat (usually and according to popular board opinion) Trapfinding = Track with restrictions ?? (such as usable only in natural terrain) OR is the opinion that trading in Track (a feat w/o prereqs) for Trapfinding is equal ??
The_Shaman 02-24-07, 07:18 PM	Not always. Some class abilities are way worse than the feats (see familiar as feature vs Obtain familiar feat). It's just what your concept for a character is. I expect rangers to be as skilled trappers as they are trackers, if anything. It could be solved with a scout dip, but I see no reasons why scouts should be that better at it than rangers are. Bottom line: it could make a decent feat. It's quite different from track though, so I'd rather it were not related.
Shadowfax7 02-25-07, 02:21 PM	Not always. Some class abilities are way worse than the feats (see familiar as feature vs Obtain familiar feat).I was always under teh impression that the Familiar class feature was better than the Obtain Familiar feat which can only be taken at 3rd level +. However, I understand your point. BTW is the Ranger replacement ability of trapfinding for track not restricted to natural terrain ??