Class with good skill points and +1 Arcane Caster Level [Archive] - Wizards Community

Class with good skill points and +1 Arcane Caster Level [Archive] - Wizards Community

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WalkenDude
09-17-06, 01:56 PM I'm going for Daggerspell Mage and I don't know where to go after that. I don't like Arcane Trickster because that's more of a ranged class and I'm going for melee. Anybody know another class with +1 Arcane Caster Level, 4 or more skill points per level and d6 hp or better each level? I can use anything WoTC. Thanks.
dnddreamer
09-17-06, 02:01 PM I'm not sure what the Daggerspell mage is...but if you want 6 skill points plus arcane spellcasting look at the Beguiler in the PHII.
WalkenDude
09-17-06, 02:05 PM Daggerspell Mage is in the Complete Adventure. Beguiler isn't what I'm looking for because it has it's own spell list, not +1 Caster Level.
frasmage
09-17-06, 03:43 PM -fohclucan lyrist, but that is for bards, so probably not what you were looking for

nothing else is coming to mind, maybe I'll check my books later
Comfort_in_Insanity
09-17-06, 03:55 PM Are you looking for a base class or a PrC?
AZNsupermarket
09-17-06, 07:53 PM Are you looking for a base class or a PrC?
It seems pretty obvious IMO opinion that he's looking for a PrC
WalkenDude
09-17-06, 07:57 PM If you can find me a PC that has what I'm looking for I'm down like a clown Charlie Brah. Down like a clown Charlie Brah. Down like a clown Charlie Brown.
frasmage
09-17-06, 08:05 PM well, the beguiler is a base class (PHB2), that has 9 levels of spellcasting (mostly enchantment and illusion) and has 6+int skill points per level
WalkenDude
09-17-06, 08:56 PM Everybody keeps coming back to beguiler which is 100% not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a class that has this in it's description:

"Spells per Day

When a new ********** level is gained, the character gains new spells per day as if he had also gained a level in a spellcasting class he belonged to before adding the prestige class. He does not, however, gain any other benefit a character of that class would have gained, except for an increased effective level of spellcasting. If a character had more than one spellcasting class before becoming an ***********, he must decide to which class he adds the new level for purposes of determining spells per day. "

Amd this:

+1 level of existing class

Along with 4 or more skill points, 6 or better hit die.

Sorry if I wasn't specific enough.
StevenO
09-17-06, 09:34 PM I'd still say Arcane Trickster. You may see a ranged character but the only thing I see that it lets you do at range is use some skills. Your sneak attack is just a personal as ever.
WalkenDude
09-17-06, 10:42 PM I'd still say Arcane Trickster. You may see a ranged character but the only thing I see that it lets you do at range is use some skills. Your sneak attack is just a personal as ever.

The d4 hp screams ranged to me.
Salla
09-17-06, 11:15 PM The d4 hp screams ranged to me.

I can't really argue with that. :)
Puca
09-18-06, 10:15 AM Empowered False Life.
Ghstwynd
09-18-06, 11:15 AM I'd like to say ahead of time, I know this is cheese. My appolgies in advance. Also, if your already playing your character, it's worthless since it's based on race. That said, here it goes...

:::Cheese Alert:::

You could go Changeling rouge/caster/daggerspell/warshaper/arcane trickster... With 2 lvls of war shaper, you get 100% Fortification, a bump to strength which would help in mele, for extra damage if nothing else, and a bump in con that would basically make the tricksters d4's into d8's... Not to mention the hit dice from your other classes... It would make it hurt less to take the trickster levels, but the down side is it would still cost you 2 caster levels to pull it off...
Mort_Q
09-18-06, 11:17 AM The d4 hp screams ranged to me.

True.

How about Eldritch Knight (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/prestigeClasses/eldritchKnight.htm)? It's only d6 but has full BAB and good Fort saves.

edit: nevermind... doesn't have the skills you want.
Pyke_Moonshadow
09-18-06, 11:50 AM I couldn't think of anything exactly as you wanted but.. the sublime chord is pretty close. True you need bardic music but you can grab a level of virtuoso for that.

Otherwise you might try a Harper Agent (if on the FR) or the Ruathar from Races of the Wild.

There may be more in Dragon Mag but I wouldn't know them.
Orchomenos
09-18-06, 12:17 PM Loremaster gets 4+Int modifier skill points each level, and +1 casting level each level. It's only d4 HP, but you can have +3 HP is you select Secret Health, which for something like 4 remaining levels, isn't that bad...

Everaskan Tomb Guardian: +1 Arcane spellcasting, 4 skill points, d4, but you need to be an elf.

Green Star Adept keeps half the spell progression, but full caster level. Only 2 skill points each level, but D8 HD and Damage Reduction/Adamantine...

Are you wizard or sorcerer? If sorcerer, Dragon Disciple might be interresting. Not really what you're looking for, but still interresting...

In short, it'll be difficult to have average skill points, average HD, and good spellcasting... Checking in Crystal Keep, I find many PrC with 2 out of 3, but neither with all 3.
WalkenDude
09-18-06, 01:02 PM In short, it'll be difficult to have average skill points, average HD, and good spellcasting... Checking in Crystal Keep, I find many PrC with 2 out of 3, but neither with all 3.

Daggerspell Mage(CA) is the sweet spot with all three. Here's what I have so far.
Human

1Rogue TWF Able Learner
2Fighter WF:D
3Wizard Practiced Spellcaster
4Rogue
5Rogue
6DSM WF
7DSM
8DSM
9DSM ITWF
10Spell Sword
11DSM
12DSM Arcane Strike
13DSM
14DSM
15DSM F
16DSM

17-20 I just don't know

He is more roguey then Wizzy.

Lore Master looks alot better then I remember her from 3.0, she looked as ugly as Paris Hilton back then but now she's got this pre-Star Wars Natile Portman thing going on.
Harper Agent might do it too, I checked it on crystalkeep but I gotta dig out that book and take a look, thanks.
Puca
09-18-06, 01:18 PM I know youre opposed to this, but Arcane Trickster seems to be everything you want for this guy: Skill-points, SA-dice, full casting? Whats not to love? Impromptu Sneak Attack and Ranged Legerdemain are just some gravy.

Over these 4 levels, you'll average four fewer hit-points than if you took a clas that offered a d6. At that level, 4 hit-points isnt going to kill you.
Manic Man
09-18-06, 10:01 PM Ardent Dilentte.
Except the first level has no spellcasting increase.
Qualifying for level 4 and above is hard as well
WalkenDude
09-19-06, 12:34 AM Ardent Dilentte.
Except the first level has no spellcasting increase.
Qualifying for level 4 and above is hard as well

What book is that in?
Manic Man
09-19-06, 01:20 AM What book is that in?
The Planar Handbook

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
WalkenDude 09-17-06, 01:56 PM	I'm going for Daggerspell Mage and I don't know where to go after that. I don't like Arcane Trickster because that's more of a ranged class and I'm going for melee. Anybody know another class with +1 Arcane Caster Level, 4 or more skill points per level and d6 hp or better each level? I can use anything WoTC. Thanks.
dnddreamer 09-17-06, 02:01 PM	I'm not sure what the Daggerspell mage is...but if you want 6 skill points plus arcane spellcasting look at the Beguiler in the PHII.
WalkenDude 09-17-06, 02:05 PM	Daggerspell Mage is in the Complete Adventure. Beguiler isn't what I'm looking for because it has it's own spell list, not +1 Caster Level.
frasmage 09-17-06, 03:43 PM	-fohclucan lyrist, but that is for bards, so probably not what you were looking for nothing else is coming to mind, maybe I'll check my books later
Comfort_in_Insanity 09-17-06, 03:55 PM	Are you looking for a base class or a PrC?
AZNsupermarket 09-17-06, 07:53 PM	Are you looking for a base class or a PrC? It seems pretty obvious IMO opinion that he's looking for a PrC
WalkenDude 09-17-06, 07:57 PM	If you can find me a PC that has what I'm looking for I'm down like a clown Charlie Brah. Down like a clown Charlie Brah. Down like a clown Charlie Brown.
frasmage 09-17-06, 08:05 PM	well, the beguiler is a base class (PHB2), that has 9 levels of spellcasting (mostly enchantment and illusion) and has 6+int skill points per level
WalkenDude 09-17-06, 08:56 PM	Everybody keeps coming back to beguiler which is 100% not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a class that has this in it's description: "Spells per Day When a new ******** level is gained, the character gains new spells per day as if he had also gained a level in a spellcasting class he belonged to before adding the prestige class. He does not, however, gain any other benefit a character of that class would have gained, except for an increased effective level of spellcasting. If a character had more than one spellcasting class before becoming an *********, he must decide to which class he adds the new level for purposes of determining spells per day. " Amd this: +1 level of existing class Along with 4 or more skill points, 6 or better hit die. Sorry if I wasn't specific enough.
StevenO 09-17-06, 09:34 PM	I'd still say Arcane Trickster. You may see a ranged character but the only thing I see that it lets you do at range is use some skills. Your sneak attack is just a personal as ever.
WalkenDude 09-17-06, 10:42 PM	I'd still say Arcane Trickster. You may see a ranged character but the only thing I see that it lets you do at range is use some skills. Your sneak attack is just a personal as ever. The d4 hp screams ranged to me.
Salla 09-17-06, 11:15 PM	The d4 hp screams ranged to me. I can't really argue with that. :)
Puca 09-18-06, 10:15 AM	Empowered False Life.
Ghstwynd 09-18-06, 11:15 AM	I'd like to say ahead of time, I know this is cheese. My appolgies in advance. Also, if your already playing your character, it's worthless since it's based on race. That said, here it goes... :::Cheese Alert::: You could go Changeling rouge/caster/daggerspell/warshaper/arcane trickster... With 2 lvls of war shaper, you get 100% Fortification, a bump to strength which would help in mele, for extra damage if nothing else, and a bump in con that would basically make the tricksters d4's into d8's... Not to mention the hit dice from your other classes... It would make it hurt less to take the trickster levels, but the down side is it would still cost you 2 caster levels to pull it off...
Mort_Q 09-18-06, 11:17 AM	The d4 hp screams ranged to me. True. How about Eldritch Knight (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/prestigeClasses/eldritchKnight.htm)? It's only d6 but has full BAB and good Fort saves. edit: nevermind... doesn't have the skills you want.
Pyke_Moonshadow 09-18-06, 11:50 AM	I couldn't think of anything exactly as you wanted but.. the sublime chord is pretty close. True you need bardic music but you can grab a level of virtuoso for that. Otherwise you might try a Harper Agent (if on the FR) or the Ruathar from Races of the Wild. There may be more in Dragon Mag but I wouldn't know them.
Orchomenos 09-18-06, 12:17 PM	Loremaster gets 4+Int modifier skill points each level, and +1 casting level each level. It's only d4 HP, but you can have +3 HP is you select Secret Health, which for something like 4 remaining levels, isn't that bad... Everaskan Tomb Guardian: +1 Arcane spellcasting, 4 skill points, d4, but you need to be an elf. Green Star Adept keeps half the spell progression, but full caster level. Only 2 skill points each level, but D8 HD and Damage Reduction/Adamantine... Are you wizard or sorcerer? If sorcerer, Dragon Disciple might be interresting. Not really what you're looking for, but still interresting... In short, it'll be difficult to have average skill points, average HD, and good spellcasting... Checking in Crystal Keep, I find many PrC with 2 out of 3, but neither with all 3.
WalkenDude 09-18-06, 01:02 PM	In short, it'll be difficult to have average skill points, average HD, and good spellcasting... Checking in Crystal Keep, I find many PrC with 2 out of 3, but neither with all 3. Daggerspell Mage(CA) is the sweet spot with all three. Here's what I have so far. Human 1Rogue TWF Able Learner 2Fighter WF:D 3Wizard Practiced Spellcaster 4Rogue 5Rogue 6DSM WF 7DSM 8DSM 9DSM ITWF 10Spell Sword 11DSM 12DSM Arcane Strike 13DSM 14DSM 15DSM F 16DSM 17-20 I just don't know He is more roguey then Wizzy. Lore Master looks alot better then I remember her from 3.0, she looked as ugly as Paris Hilton back then but now she's got this pre-Star Wars Natile Portman thing going on. Harper Agent might do it too, I checked it on crystalkeep but I gotta dig out that book and take a look, thanks.
Puca 09-18-06, 01:18 PM	I know youre opposed to this, but Arcane Trickster seems to be everything you want for this guy: Skill-points, SA-dice, full casting? Whats not to love? Impromptu Sneak Attack and Ranged Legerdemain are just some gravy. Over these 4 levels, you'll average four fewer hit-points than if you took a clas that offered a d6. At that level, 4 hit-points isnt going to kill you.
Manic Man 09-18-06, 10:01 PM	Ardent Dilentte. Except the first level has no spellcasting increase. Qualifying for level 4 and above is hard as well
WalkenDude 09-19-06, 12:34 AM	Ardent Dilentte. Except the first level has no spellcasting increase. Qualifying for level 4 and above is hard as well What book is that in?
Manic Man 09-19-06, 01:20 AM	What book is that in? The Planar Handbook