Cleric Turning Ability Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

Cleric Turning Ability Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

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jljudd
11-25-06, 02:53 PM When it comes to a clerics turning ability, if a cleric domain grants the ability to turn another creature type, is that in addition to turn undead, or does it replace that ability? The Players Handbook is not very specific, simply stating that some clerics can turn creatures other than undead (Turning Other Creatures, p160).

Our group is planning to start a new gothic Campaign and I am creating a cleric. I thought it would be ideal to take the moon domain to be able to turn lycanthropes, but if I lose the ability to turn undead in exchange, it may not be worth it.
Far_Traveler
11-25-06, 02:59 PM It's in addittion, but you cannot use your turn lycanthrope ability to feul thigns like divine metamagic
jljudd
11-25-06, 09:38 PM Thats exactly what I hoped to hear. Thanks!
jljudd
11-26-06, 07:21 PM Ok, another question:

The Glory domain gives a turn undead bonus of +2 to turn checks and a +1d6 to damage checks as it's granted power. While the descripiton refers specifically to turning undead, the description on turning other monsters indicates I am to use the same turning process as undead.

Therefore, if I take the Glory domain and the Moon Domain, the Glory turning bonuses would apply to both undead and Lycanthrope turning.

Am I right, or did I miss something?
okpokalypse
11-26-06, 07:50 PM Ok, another question:

The Glory domain gives a turn undead bonus of +2 to turn checks and a +1d6 to damage checks as it's granted power. While the descripiton refers specifically to turning undead, the description on turning other monsters indicates I am to use the same turning process as undead.

Therefore, if I take the Glory domain and the Moon Domain, the Glory turning bonuses would apply to both undead and Lycanthrope turning.

Am I right, or did I miss something?

No - the Bonus only applies to Turning Undead, per the verbage in the Spell Compendium: "Granted Power: Turn undead with a +2 bonus on the turning check and +1d6 on the turning damage roll."

I would also say the synergy from Knowledge: Religion does not affect turning that is not undead because of how it's worded.
Azezel
11-26-06, 08:11 PM I would also say the synergy from Knowledge: Religion does not affect turning that is not undead because of how it's worded.

This is true.

However - as a DM I grant a synergy bonus from other Knowledge catagories for turning other creatures. For Instance five ranks in Knowledge (The Planes) would give you a synergy bonus to turn elementals, or five ranks in Knowledge (Arcana) would give you a bonus to turn a Dragon with an elemental sub-type.

Note - this is a house rule, I think it is fair, but it is entirely up to your DM. Ask him nicely if you can have a synergy bonus to turn Lycanthropes (I suggest a bonus from Knowledge (Nature) - but Knowledge (Local) is a possibility - since lycanthropes are humanoid [shapechanger] type.

If he says 'no' don't whinge.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
jljudd 11-25-06, 02:53 PM	When it comes to a clerics turning ability, if a cleric domain grants the ability to turn another creature type, is that in addition to turn undead, or does it replace that ability? The Players Handbook is not very specific, simply stating that some clerics can turn creatures other than undead (Turning Other Creatures, p160). Our group is planning to start a new gothic Campaign and I am creating a cleric. I thought it would be ideal to take the moon domain to be able to turn lycanthropes, but if I lose the ability to turn undead in exchange, it may not be worth it.
Far_Traveler 11-25-06, 02:59 PM	It's in addittion, but you cannot use your turn lycanthrope ability to feul thigns like divine metamagic
jljudd 11-25-06, 09:38 PM	Thats exactly what I hoped to hear. Thanks!
jljudd 11-26-06, 07:21 PM	Ok, another question: The Glory domain gives a turn undead bonus of +2 to turn checks and a +1d6 to damage checks as it's granted power. While the descripiton refers specifically to turning undead, the description on turning other monsters indicates I am to use the same turning process as undead. Therefore, if I take the Glory domain and the Moon Domain, the Glory turning bonuses would apply to both undead and Lycanthrope turning. Am I right, or did I miss something?
okpokalypse 11-26-06, 07:50 PM	Ok, another question: The Glory domain gives a turn undead bonus of +2 to turn checks and a +1d6 to damage checks as it's granted power. While the descripiton refers specifically to turning undead, the description on turning other monsters indicates I am to use the same turning process as undead. Therefore, if I take the Glory domain and the Moon Domain, the Glory turning bonuses would apply to both undead and Lycanthrope turning. Am I right, or did I miss something? No - the Bonus only applies to Turning Undead, per the verbage in the Spell Compendium: "Granted Power: Turn undead with a +2 bonus on the turning check and +1d6 on the turning damage roll." I would also say the synergy from Knowledge: Religion does not affect turning that is not undead because of how it's worded.
Azezel 11-26-06, 08:11 PM	I would also say the synergy from Knowledge: Religion does not affect turning that is not undead because of how it's worded. This is true. However - as a DM I grant a synergy bonus from other Knowledge catagories for turning other creatures. For Instance five ranks in Knowledge (The Planes) would give you a synergy bonus to turn elementals, or five ranks in Knowledge (Arcana) would give you a bonus to turn a Dragon with an elemental sub-type. Note - this is a house rule, I think it is fair, but it is entirely up to your DM. Ask him nicely if you can have a synergy bonus to turn Lycanthropes (I suggest a bonus from Knowledge (Nature) - but Knowledge (Local) is a possibility - since lycanthropes are humanoid [shapechanger] type. If he says 'no' don't whinge.