3.5 Psionics [Archive] - Wizards Community

3.5 Psionics [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Caterane
05-15-04, 03:38 AM The time has come that we will eventually expand the Core Coliseum. Polls are normally held in the Senate but I realize that this isn`t just a minor thing where a minority should decide about the outcome but a great thing that will affect the arena to a level never seen before. Note that Psionics are 'Core' and they are in the SRD.

And we are talking about 3.5 psionics!!!
The Expanded Psionics Handbook is out since one week.

Rules:
After you have voted make a post in this thread. Only votes with a post belonging to it counts!
Only members listed below are allowed to make a vote.
Do not post anything other than your comfirmative post!

Electoral list:
Daemones (yes)
Sindorin
Kaigan (yes)
MysticMonk2005 (yes)
Boldrift-Mattock (no)
Anouilh Lyn
TaggIIV (yes)
Kedi (yes)
Aramil Dunskar (yes)
Cellardweller (yes)
Freemoody (no)
Battousai2005 (yes)
Beldin (abstain)
Captain Mutilate (yes)
^Rayne^ (yes)
Smergel
Jindl (yes)
Kazzaroth Pan'theon
Limit (no)
Tellish_of_Ket (abstain)
Alterlat (yes)
Ethendril (yes)
Myrridin (abstain)
Mercy (yes)
Kattattack22 (yes)
Arstimis (yes)
Hatzinger (yes)
Market_share
Caterane (yes)
LLMadCow (yes)
Pittbull (yes)
Druid Roxors
Jonah Black
Magagumo (yes)
KerlanRayne (yes)
Motherbast (no)
Barrel_master (yes)
Snarkhunter (yes)
Moherajikuyx
Rosella

Current Result:
[list=1]
Yes:.........24
No:..........4
Abstain:.....3
[/list=1]

The Poll will be closed on sunday, may 23!
Caterane
05-15-04, 03:40 AM Yes, of course. To all that want to vote against it please read on:

IMO the Psionics Handbook is a great addition to the CoCo. Builds are repeating itself so it would be the perfect time to open up new options.

The Arena is a place to test builds and what better a place to test the new psionics than here?

All that still have doubts should note that we have strong options in balancing things out and even if the worst comes to the worst we can always remove it again. Though this might be a complicated process we`ll only do this once if it comes to that.

Pitlords will get acustomed slowly since the psionic characters level slowly; they`ll need about 8 weeks to reach more complicated levels - if they win most of the time, more if they lose some of their fights. Additionally, psinic characters only have a handful of powers (even at higher levels) so it shouldn`t be a problem to learn them over time. Some of the powers are even very similar to existing spells.

Adding Psionics is a great thing, and many people will be having fun with all these new options. So by all means, give it a try!

Cat

Edit: I promise you one thing: the arena will get old over time. The newbie influx is already towards zero, and the 2nd level roster has only 2 characters. Without new options the arena will get bored over time and starve out, or at least be an old men home for a handful of hardcore players who play the 150th druid for the 20th time.
kedi
05-15-04, 03:48 AM hate the psionics idea, but I'd like to see CoCo expanded. Yes is my vote.
Limit
05-15-04, 03:51 AM No.
MotherBast
05-15-04, 08:10 AM No
freemoody
05-15-04, 10:02 AM No
Captain Mutilate
05-15-04, 10:51 AM Yes! Why not, I say. Psionics are just another facet to the Coliseum. After quickly overviewing the SRD, you have to take levels in a class to have psionic powers, and they seem pretty balanced to me. Plus, it would be so damn cool! This would add so much to the arena, and would be a great oppurtunity for roleplaying.
SnarkHunter
05-15-04, 11:03 AM Yes of course.
Tellish_of_Ket
05-15-04, 11:34 AM No.

I simply don't own any books other than basic core. I, and others, would be seriously disadvantaged by psionics.

Besides that, psionics are completely broken. If you think the arena gets out of control now with loop-hole finders and people jindlizing vocabulary, you just wait until psionics are in and the infinite loops are brought into play.

Not my idea of fun, or improvement.

-ToK
Captain Mutilate
05-15-04, 01:04 PM This, to my knowledge, is 3.5 psionics - it's not broken, to my knowledge, and not owning the book isn't that really that good of a reason to vote against. I don't have any dnd book, really - I borrow the PHB on a regular basis from my local library, and plan to buy the DMG, so most of what I use here comes from various SRDs.

And the system isn't blind to loop holes. A pitlord moderating a fight doesn't have to allow an infinite loop to happen, especially if it is as broken as you say, Tellish.
Magagumo
05-15-04, 01:07 PM Psionics in on the SRD, that's why we're considering allowing it in, everyone willl eb able to consult the "book" in order to understand how races, classes, feats, and powers work. Also, there are several nice feats that are "anti-psionics" and can only be taken by non psionic races and classes.

I definetely vote yes.
Caterane
05-15-04, 01:11 PM Wait Tellish, we`re talking about the EXPANDED psionics handbook (not the old one) which is out for a week now. How can you know abuot the brokeness of it all? Or even the RPGA. I`ve bought the book, made several characters with my friends and each time we thought to have detected a loophole or something unnaturally powerful we were disappointed in the end - and delighted that the system obviously works. The WotC designers did a good job here.

Jindlers are always present. You have to strip them of everything but commoners to neutralize them but then, where`s our fun? I`d give it rather a try then never knowing if we not barred an interesting new option.

TO ALL: DISCUSSIONS ARE NOT HELD HERE! GO TO THE PSIONICS QUERY!
^Rayne^
05-15-04, 01:20 PM YES
barrel_master
05-15-04, 01:31 PM Yes, to some degree, I don't buy the arguement that all the builds are being used up... but many in the arena want the psions and to be honest I wouldn't mind seeing them around too.
Tellish_of_Ket
05-15-04, 02:36 PM How do i change my Vote on the Poll?

I would like to change it to abstain. Maybe if the poll-creator can edit it. That way as an abstainee, i don't affect the overal results.

-ToK
Caterane
05-15-04, 02:39 PM No problem Tellish. For exactly that reason I am going to track all votes. Your vote will be changed to abstain. Good choice. Yes would be even better :)
Battousai2005
05-15-04, 03:03 PM Voted no. I'd like to see it too, but I just think that its a bit off core rules.
Kaigan
05-15-04, 03:09 PM Yes
Battousai2005
05-15-04, 08:43 PM *Mutters to himself
Ok, after a heated discussion with Caterane, changes vote to yes. Dunno how to do this...
Arstimis
05-15-04, 08:48 PM I vote YES under a few conditions.
Me, and if other Pitlords want, can request not to mod a fight of a Psionic Character. The reason being is that i do not know anything about Psionics. I dont mind fighting on at all, because i can see its character sheet, and easily look up what it specifically does. this might even get me to slowly learn the rules, and be able to mod thier fights.
But I will refuse to mod a Psionics fight for the time being, but i will fight them, and think a bit more variety need to be implemented into the arena.
kattattack22
05-15-04, 09:52 PM While I still think there are more builds yet to be tried from the Core Rules and don't pitlords to have to learn a bunch of new rules.

I voted yes just to keep as an option b/c I don't think too many are really going to be making that many psionic characters and in the end all the reasons against won't be a huge deal.
TaggIIV
05-15-04, 09:55 PM Yes
daemones
05-15-04, 11:27 PM Yes; The changes have been added to the SRD, and are therefore core.
Ethendril
05-16-04, 12:11 AM Voted yes.
cellardweller
05-16-04, 01:04 AM yep
KerlanRayne
05-17-04, 12:15 AM Yes!
Hatzinger
05-17-04, 05:16 AM yes
LLMadCow
05-18-04, 01:18 AM One more vote of yes.
Myrridin
05-18-04, 08:32 AM I voted to abstain. I have no interest in purchasing the book, and I believe not having it will hurt some people in the long run, regardless of it being in the SRD. That said, I'd like the arena to continue to grow.
Beldin
05-18-04, 08:36 AM abstain, see myrridin's post
Pittbull
05-18-04, 11:34 AM Yes, it's in the SRD, so use it!
Alterlat
05-18-04, 08:56 PM Voted in favour of psionics (but still Core only).
Mercy
05-22-04, 11:15 AM Yes
Jindl
05-22-04, 11:38 AM As part of the SRD, psionics can be considered to be Core. So, I vote yes.

-Jindl
Boldrift-Mattock
05-22-04, 11:50 AM I think bringing in the psionics would not be fair to the people who dont have the books.

Boldrift
MysticMonk2005
05-23-04, 01:09 PM Yes, I'm always open to new stuff.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Caterane 05-15-04, 03:38 AM	The time has come that we will eventually expand the Core Coliseum. Polls are normally held in the Senate but I realize that this isn`t just a minor thing where a minority should decide about the outcome but a great thing that will affect the arena to a level never seen before. Note that Psionics are 'Core' and they are in the SRD. And we are talking about 3.5 psionics!!! The Expanded Psionics Handbook is out since one week. Rules: After you have voted make a post in this thread. Only votes with a post belonging to it counts! Only members listed below are allowed to make a vote. Do not post anything other than your comfirmative post! Electoral list: Daemones (yes) Sindorin Kaigan (yes) MysticMonk2005 (yes) Boldrift-Mattock (no) Anouilh Lyn TaggIIV (yes) Kedi (yes) Aramil Dunskar (yes) Cellardweller (yes) Freemoody (no) Battousai2005 (yes) Beldin (abstain) Captain Mutilate (yes) ^Rayne^ (yes) Smergel Jindl (yes) Kazzaroth Pan'theon Limit (no) Tellish_of_Ket (abstain) Alterlat (yes) Ethendril (yes) Myrridin (abstain) Mercy (yes) Kattattack22 (yes) Arstimis (yes) Hatzinger (yes) Market_share Caterane (yes) LLMadCow (yes) Pittbull (yes) Druid Roxors Jonah Black Magagumo (yes) KerlanRayne (yes) Motherbast (no) Barrel_master (yes) Snarkhunter (yes) Moherajikuyx Rosella Current Result: [list=1] Yes:.........24 No:..........4 Abstain:.....3 [/list=1] The Poll will be closed on sunday, may 23!
Caterane 05-15-04, 03:40 AM	Yes, of course. To all that want to vote against it please read on: IMO the Psionics Handbook is a great addition to the CoCo. Builds are repeating itself so it would be the perfect time to open up new options. The Arena is a place to test builds and what better a place to test the new psionics than here? All that still have doubts should note that we have strong options in balancing things out and even if the worst comes to the worst we can always remove it again. Though this might be a complicated process we`ll only do this once if it comes to that. Pitlords will get acustomed slowly since the psionic characters level slowly; they`ll need about 8 weeks to reach more complicated levels - if they win most of the time, more if they lose some of their fights. Additionally, psinic characters only have a handful of powers (even at higher levels) so it shouldn`t be a problem to learn them over time. Some of the powers are even very similar to existing spells. Adding Psionics is a great thing, and many people will be having fun with all these new options. So by all means, give it a try! Cat Edit: I promise you one thing: the arena will get old over time. The newbie influx is already towards zero, and the 2nd level roster has only 2 characters. Without new options the arena will get bored over time and starve out, or at least be an old men home for a handful of hardcore players who play the 150th druid for the 20th time.
kedi 05-15-04, 03:48 AM	hate the psionics idea, but I'd like to see CoCo expanded. Yes is my vote.
Limit 05-15-04, 03:51 AM	No.
MotherBast 05-15-04, 08:10 AM	No
freemoody 05-15-04, 10:02 AM	No
Captain Mutilate 05-15-04, 10:51 AM	Yes! Why not, I say. Psionics are just another facet to the Coliseum. After quickly overviewing the SRD, you have to take levels in a class to have psionic powers, and they seem pretty balanced to me. Plus, it would be so damn cool! This would add so much to the arena, and would be a great oppurtunity for roleplaying.
SnarkHunter 05-15-04, 11:03 AM	Yes of course.
Tellish_of_Ket 05-15-04, 11:34 AM	No. I simply don't own any books other than basic core. I, and others, would be seriously disadvantaged by psionics. Besides that, psionics are completely broken. If you think the arena gets out of control now with loop-hole finders and people jindlizing vocabulary, you just wait until psionics are in and the infinite loops are brought into play. Not my idea of fun, or improvement. -ToK
Captain Mutilate 05-15-04, 01:04 PM	This, to my knowledge, is 3.5 psionics - it's not broken, to my knowledge, and not owning the book isn't that really that good of a reason to vote against. I don't have any dnd book, really - I borrow the PHB on a regular basis from my local library, and plan to buy the DMG, so most of what I use here comes from various SRDs. And the system isn't blind to loop holes. A pitlord moderating a fight doesn't have to allow an infinite loop to happen, especially if it is as broken as you say, Tellish.
Magagumo 05-15-04, 01:07 PM	Psionics in on the SRD, that's why we're considering allowing it in, everyone willl eb able to consult the "book" in order to understand how races, classes, feats, and powers work. Also, there are several nice feats that are "anti-psionics" and can only be taken by non psionic races and classes. I definetely vote yes.
Caterane 05-15-04, 01:11 PM	Wait Tellish, we`re talking about the EXPANDED psionics handbook (not the old one) which is out for a week now. How can you know abuot the brokeness of it all? Or even the RPGA. I`ve bought the book, made several characters with my friends and each time we thought to have detected a loophole or something unnaturally powerful we were disappointed in the end - and delighted that the system obviously works. The WotC designers did a good job here. Jindlers are always present. You have to strip them of everything but commoners to neutralize them but then, where`s our fun? I`d give it rather a try then never knowing if we not barred an interesting new option. TO ALL: DISCUSSIONS ARE NOT HELD HERE! GO TO THE PSIONICS QUERY!
^Rayne^ 05-15-04, 01:20 PM	YES
barrel_master 05-15-04, 01:31 PM	Yes, to some degree, I don't buy the arguement that all the builds are being used up... but many in the arena want the psions and to be honest I wouldn't mind seeing them around too.
Tellish_of_Ket 05-15-04, 02:36 PM	How do i change my Vote on the Poll? I would like to change it to abstain. Maybe if the poll-creator can edit it. That way as an abstainee, i don't affect the overal results. -ToK
Caterane 05-15-04, 02:39 PM	No problem Tellish. For exactly that reason I am going to track all votes. Your vote will be changed to abstain. Good choice. Yes would be even better :)
Battousai2005 05-15-04, 03:03 PM	Voted no. I'd like to see it too, but I just think that its a bit off core rules.
Kaigan 05-15-04, 03:09 PM	Yes
Battousai2005 05-15-04, 08:43 PM	*Mutters to himself Ok, after a heated discussion with Caterane, changes vote to yes. Dunno how to do this...
Arstimis 05-15-04, 08:48 PM	I vote YES under a few conditions. Me, and if other Pitlords want, can request not to mod a fight of a Psionic Character. The reason being is that i do not know anything about Psionics. I dont mind fighting on at all, because i can see its character sheet, and easily look up what it specifically does. this might even get me to slowly learn the rules, and be able to mod thier fights. But I will refuse to mod a Psionics fight for the time being, but i will fight them, and think a bit more variety need to be implemented into the arena.
kattattack22 05-15-04, 09:52 PM	While I still think there are more builds yet to be tried from the Core Rules and don't pitlords to have to learn a bunch of new rules. I voted yes just to keep as an option b/c I don't think too many are really going to be making that many psionic characters and in the end all the reasons against won't be a huge deal.
TaggIIV 05-15-04, 09:55 PM	Yes
daemones 05-15-04, 11:27 PM	Yes; The changes have been added to the SRD, and are therefore core.
Ethendril 05-16-04, 12:11 AM	Voted yes.
cellardweller 05-16-04, 01:04 AM	yep
KerlanRayne 05-17-04, 12:15 AM	Yes!
Hatzinger 05-17-04, 05:16 AM	yes
LLMadCow 05-18-04, 01:18 AM	One more vote of yes.
Myrridin 05-18-04, 08:32 AM	I voted to abstain. I have no interest in purchasing the book, and I believe not having it will hurt some people in the long run, regardless of it being in the SRD. That said, I'd like the arena to continue to grow.
Beldin 05-18-04, 08:36 AM	abstain, see myrridin's post
Pittbull 05-18-04, 11:34 AM	Yes, it's in the SRD, so use it!
Alterlat 05-18-04, 08:56 PM	Voted in favour of psionics (but still Core only).
Mercy 05-22-04, 11:15 AM	Yes
Jindl 05-22-04, 11:38 AM	As part of the SRD, psionics can be considered to be Core. So, I vote yes. -Jindl
Boldrift-Mattock 05-22-04, 11:50 AM	I think bringing in the psionics would not be fair to the people who dont have the books. Boldrift
MysticMonk2005 05-23-04, 01:09 PM	Yes, I'm always open to new stuff.