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| Caterane05-09-04, 06:21 PM | The Core Coliseum Senate |
| Pitlords05-09-04, 06:25 PM | This thread is for Elder Pitlords only! Please take up one and only one post which you edit just like with the old polls thread. Perhaps even take on your own color. Then save this thread under 'favorites' because it will vanish over time due to no new posts coming up. Any new poll will be announced in the Tavern because you won`t get notified by the board. The Elder Pitlords Moherajikuyx Caterane Jindl Tellish of Ket Ethendril Motherbast Council Rules The polls: The next thread contains all polls. A poll will be opened as long as there is one Elder Pitlord's voice missing (exception: if a poll has already 5 voices in favor of one side then it may be considered 'closed' and the rule enacted but will stay open until everyone has voted) Voices: Every Elder Pitlord has one voice. Attitude: Most of the times polls will be voted as 'Yes', 'No', or 'Abstain'. Please put one of these words at the beginning of your vote. You may explain the reason behind this in a short description (optional). In some cases the voices is required to be more specific (example: "Do you want a green, red or blue background") in which case the various voice options will by included in the poll question (e.g. "Green", "Red", "Blue") Discussion: This board is for the votes only. Any discussion will be held in the Elder Pitlord's Forum (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=192897&goto=newpost) Decision: A poll is enacted as soon as a simple majority is reached. As soon as 5 Elder Pitlords voted in favor of one side (abolute majority) the poll is enacted, no matter if there are still votes missing. In case of a draw, the poll goes to the open poll system which includes every member of the CoCo. If the poll has other choices than the ordinary ones (e.g. 'green', 'red', 'blue'), a majority of 2 wins. Deadline: Every poll has a deadline by when it is closed. Any Elder's voice not put to vote by then is considered abstain. The default poll time is two weeks, but it may be prolonged if difficult and/or decisions with severe consequences are to be made. Overview: Please post your votes so that they are easily recognizable; a list would be best. Please keep your seat clean of other statements; I might miss a vote. |
| Pitlords05-09-04, 06:26 PM | New homepage: Do you wish to move the character sheets from the gladiators' thread to sloisel's site? http://slavy.dyndns.org/arena/ [closed: the answer is no] Repair items: What do you think about broken/disenchanted items, shall they be repaired for free? [closed: the answer is yes] Partially charged items: Would you like partially charged items to be sold? [closed: the answer is no] NPC spellcasters: Would you allow the Spellcasting part of Equipment, to have spellcasters casting spells for money on the gladiators? [closed: the answer is no] 4a. Would you allow it only for Permanency + Buff? [closed: the answer is yes] ECL>2 characters: Would you allow ECL 3 characters with racial HDs in the arena, provided that who owns them is a moderator willing to run more fights (Jindl's proposal)? [closed: the answer is yes] 5a. Would you prefer everyone to start at ECL 2, and begin with 1 racial hd only, having to grow the racial HDs first? [closed: the answer is no] We later modified this to: moderators may pay x credits to put in a ECL x character that couldn't otherwise come into play. Bonus gold: Would you give a 5%*cha bonus increase on the winner treasure? [closed: the answer is no] MEtamagic scrolls: Would you allow the sale of metamagiked scrolls? (they're in the rules, but not in the lists) [closed: the answer is yes] 7a. Would you allow the sale of scrolls at different CLs than default? (they're in the rules, but not in the lists) [closed: the answer is yes] Undead:Skeletons/Zombies: please reply to all the questions below. Would you allow these undead? [closed: the answer is yes] 8a. If poll 8 is closed as yes, indipendently from your vote, would you limit skeletons/zombies to the ones listed in the MM as examples for the template? [closed: the answer is yes] 8b. If poll 8 is closed as yes, would you allow them for just the 25 gps/HD of the animate undead spell? [closed: the answer is no] 8aa. Would you allow custom undead (not only examples, see 8a), if templated (ex. half-dragon) or advanced (ex. Wolf with more than 2 HD) creatures were banned? [closed: the answer is yes] 8c. If poll 8b is closed as no, what price would you give? - alpha*CR^2, alpha =100 or 200 usually - alpha*d^2, d=CR skeleton - CR glad (min 0) - ... [closed: the answer is alpha*CR^2, alpha mostly 100] Note: we now have the monster fight rule, buying stuff without a listed price was sent where FR is. ;) Error points: do you agree with LLMadCow's proposal (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1982110#post1982110)? [closed: the answer is yes] Delay tactics: Do you wish to do something to prevent "delay-too-much" tactics? Also post a suggestion, see Caterane's gladiatorial rules (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=2017751#post2017751). [closed: the answer is yes] The majority seems to prefer a wider approach than Caterane's: the moderators shall be free to penalize players who wait too much. Don't forget there's a 10 rounds max for planeshifting. Initiative: Do you wish to prohibit tactics that make a difference on init win or lost? [closed: the answer is no] Arena shape: Would you prefer a cylinder arena to a dome? [closed: the answer is yes] Leadership: Would you like the leadership feat? (it will not change the 1 ally max thing) [closed: the answer is yes] Initiative: Would you do anything to try to make initiative less important? [closed: the answer is no] Bumps: Would you like the house rule "three consecutive losses is a free win"? [closed: the answer is yes] Hitpoints: Would you like to change the way we calculate hps? [closed: the answer is yes] 16a. If 16 is closed as yes, even if you voted as no: how would you do it? From lowest to highest: a- DMG method: 1/2 max HD. D4: 2 per level, d6: 3 per level, d8: 4, d10: 5, d12: 6 b- MM method: 1/2 (min hd + max hd). D4: 2.5 per lvl, d6: 3.5, d8: 4.5, d10: 5.5, d12: 6.5 c- d12: 8 per lvl, d10: 7, d8: 5, d6: 4, d4:3 d- other, make a suggestion [closed: the answer is b] ECL>2 characters: Would you allow moderators to have the chance of beginning with higher level characters, at a cost of 3 credits for 1 ECL? (This would be used only for higher LA or racial hit dices, not to bump normal pcs) [closed: the answer is yes] Gaining allies: Do you think that allowing only druids and paladins to find animals for free is correct? [closed: the answer is yes] Note: now the others have to fight for the pets/corpses. Polymorph any object: do you think that the spell should have an HD limit = target's HDs, be it a house rule or the real meaning of the spell description? Notice that the spell is hardly permanent, already. Possible answers: yes, no, ban. [closed: the answer is yes] Advanced monsters: Do you think that avdanced monsters are balanced enough with the monster fights, as to allow them for cohorts, corpses, handleds or other allies? If you wish you may separate the answer in 20a: leadership cohorts [closed: the answer is yes] 20b: handle animal allies [closed: the answer is no] 20c: animate dead corpses [closed: the answer is no] Cohorts: Would you like to have classed cohorts, even if this makes life harder to moderators who will have to check both the character and the cohort? [closed: the answer is yes] Cohorts: Would you like the cohorts to have point-buy ability scores? The other option is elite NPC stats from the DMG for classed cohorts, and MM default stats for unclassed cohorts. [closed: the answer is yes] Horseshoes of speed: Do you think that the horseshoes of speed are race specific or type specific? Possible answers: race (horses only), type (animals only), no. [closed: the answer is hooved animals] Ressurect allies: Would you allow the free fix of dead allies, treating them as equipment, or you prefer that they're paid back again/fought again in a monster fight/...? (yes/no) [closed: the answer is no] |
| Pitlords05-09-04, 06:30 PM | [list=1] Masterwork Tools: How should we handle [Ma]tools which give you a +2 circumstance bonus to a single skill? (a) Disallow them altogether (b) Allow only tools related to skills that impose a penalty without tools? [Craft and Ride] (c) Allow only tools related to trade skills? [Craft, Profession, Perform, and Handle animal] (d) Allow them altogether but every [Ma]tool takes up one of the various slots? [and a logical one at that!] (e) Allow them without restriction? (1) Motherbast: B; (2) Snark: B; (3) Jindl: C; (4) Magagumo: C; (5) Caterane: B; (6) LLMadCow: C; (7) Moherajikuyx: C; (8) Tellish: C Result: B = 3 votes; C = 5 votes Masterwork Tools: Should we add Ride to the list of skills with [Ma]tools? (a) Yes (b) No (c) Abstain (1) Caterane: Yes; (2) Moherajikuyx: Yes; (3) LLMadCow: Yes; (4) Motherbast: No; (5) Snark: Abstain; (6) Tellish: Yes; (7) Jindl: No Result: Yes: 4 votes; Abstain: 1 vote; No: 2 votes Improved natural attack: Do you think a monk's unarmed strike qualifies for Improved natural attack? (a) Yes (b) No (c) Abstain (1) Caterane: No; (2) LLMadCow: Yes; (3) Motherbast: Yes; (4) Magagumo: No; (5) Tellish: No; (6) Jindl: Yes; (7) Moherajikuyx: No; (8) Snark: Yes Result: 4:4 draw. The poll goes in the open: link (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=197368) --> 13:7 Yes Copying spells: Should wizards be allowed to copy spells for a fee of 50gp/lvl from another wizard's spellbook, as described in the PHB? (a) Yes (b) No (c) Abstain (1) Caterane: Yes; (2) Snark: Yes; (3) LLMadCow: Yes; (4) Jindl: No; (5) Motherbast: No; (6) Tellish: No; (7) Magagumo: Yes; (8) Moherajikuyx: No Result: 4:4 draw. The poll goes in the open: link (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=203629) --> 17:12 No Wilded Armor: Do you think a druid wearing a wilded armor gets the armor bonus to AC but is still considered unarmored? (a) Yes (b) No (c) Abstain (1) Caterane: No; (2) Magagumo: No; (3) Motherbast: Abstain; (4) Tellish: No; (5) Snark: Abstain; (6) LLMadCow: No; (7) Jindl: Yes; (8) Moherajikuyx: No Result: Yes = 1 vote, Abstain = 2 votes, No = 5 votes Red Wizards: Do you think we should allow the Red Wizard Prestige Class (including Tattoo focus)? (a) Yes (b) No (c) Abstain (1) Snark: Yes; (2) LLMadCow: Yes; (3) Tellish: No; (4) Jindl: No; (5) Magagumo: Abstain; (6) Motherbast: Yes; (7) Caterane: Yes Result: Yes = 4 votes, Abstain = 1 vote, No = 2 votes The Lich: Do you think we should allow the lich without the 120k gp aswell as the casterlevel requirement? ...go to debate (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=227046) (a) Yes, allow the lich without requirements, or as a template class (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20031212a) (b) No, do not allow the lich without requirements (c) Abstain (1) Caterane: Yes; (2) Motherbast: Abstain; (3) Snark: Yes; (4) LLMadCow: Yes; (5) Magagumo: Yes Result: Yes = 4 votes, No = 0 votes, Abstain = 1 vote Psionics: Should the updated Psionics section of the SRD be allowed into the CoCo? (a) Yes (b) No (c) Abstain (1) Caterane: Yes; (2) Jindl: Yes; (3) Tellish_of_Ket: Abstain; (4) MotherBast: Abstain; (5) Ethendril: Yes Result: Yes = 3 votes, No = 0 votes, Abstain = 2 votes Stackable Prebuffs: Should multiple uses of an ability, whose total duration meets the 16 hour requirment, be allowed as a prebuff? (a) Yes (b) No (c) Abstain (1) Caterane: No; (2) Jindl: Yes; (3) Tellish_of_Ket: No; (4) MotherBast: No; (5) Ethendril: No Result: Yes = 1 votes, No = 4 votes, Abstain = 0 votes Inherited Templates: Should PC's be allowed to gain an inherited template after character creation? (a) Yes (b) No (c) Abstain (1) Caterane: Abstain; (2) Jindl: No; (3) Tellish_of_Ket: No; (4) MotherBast: No; (5) Ethendril: No Result: Yes = 0 votes, No = 4 votes, Abstain = 1 votes Templates After Creation Cost: If a PC gains a template after character creation, how many credits should the template cost per level that it raises the PC? (a) 3 per level (b) 4 per level (c) PC's cannot gain any templates after character creation, regardless of whether it is an acquired template or an inherited template. (d) Abstain (1) Caterane: (b); (2) Jindl: (b); (3) Tellish_of_Ket: (b); (4) MotherBast: (a); (5) Ethendril: (b) Result: (a) = 1 votes, (b) = 4 votes, (c) = 0 votes (d) = 0 votes Refundable items: Should the gladiator get one-shot items (potions, scrolls, charges, etc) refunded if he doesn't level? (a) Yes (b) No (c) Abstain (1) Caterane: Yes; (2) Jindl: No; (3) Ethendril: No; (4) Tellish: No; (5) Motherbast: No Result: Yes = 1 vote; No = 4 votes Ressurected allies: Should we ressurect allies for free? (a) Yes (b) No (c) Abstain (1) Caterane: Yes; (2) Motherbast: No; (3) Tellish: No; (4) Ethendril: Yes; (5) Jindl: No Result: Yes = 2 votes; No = 3 votes Prememorized spells How should we handle the prememorizing of spells? (a) Leave it as it is (half spells rounded down) (b) Half spells rounded up (c) Reveil all spells (d) Abstain (1) Caterane: C; (2) Jindl: B; (3) Ethendril: B; (4) Tellish: C; (5) Motherbast: C Result: C = 3 votes; B = 2 votes Caster level of bought scrolls: Should we implement a ECL+2 cap on scrolls to prevent fireballed@lvl2? (a) Yes (b) No (c) Abstain (1) Caterane: Yes; (2) Jindl: No; (3) Ethendril: No; (4) Tellish: No; (5) Motherbast: No Result: Yes = 1 vote; No = 4 votes Wild Armor check penalties: When a druid is wildshaped, does his Wild armor/shield retain any of the penalties of wearing armor, such as max dex, armor check penalty, weight, encumbrance, arcane spell failure, or the -2 to attacks from a tower shield? Note: The earlier ruling that the druid is considered "armored" would still apply as far as the monk's bonus to AC is concerned. (a) Yes (b) No (c) Abstain (1) Caterane: ?; (2) Jindl: No; (3) Ethendril: No; (4) Tellish: ?; (5) Motherbast: No Result: Yes = 0 vote; No = 3 votes [/list=1] |
| Caterane05-09-04, 07:15 PM | [list=1] Masterwork tools: B, including Ride Improved natural attack: No Copying spells: Yes Wilded Armor: No Red Wizards: Yes The Lich: Yes Psionics: Yes Inherited templates: Abstain, but exception for Clio! Stackable Prebuffs: No After creation costs: B Refund items: Yes Ressurect Allies: Yes Prememorized Spells: C (reveil all spells!) Scrolls level cap: Yes Wilded armor 2: Yes [/list=1] |
| Jindl05-09-04, 07:22 PM | 1. Masterwork tools: B, not including Ride 2. Improved natural attack: Yes 3. Copying spells: Yes 4. Wilded Armor: Yes 5. Red Wizards: No 6. The Lich: Yes, but keep the caster level requirement and all non-monetary requirements of crafting the phylactery. 7. Psionics: Yes 8. Stackable Prebuffs: Yes 9. Inherited Templates: No 10. Templates After Creation Cost: (b) Originally posted by Ethendril 10. Templates After Creation Cost: (d)...I wish there were another vote option here. I would vote that you could not acquire a template except by leveling up (after winning a fight), in which case I would say it costs 0 credits. @Eth - How would you handle templates that have a LA > +1? It doesn't seem right that a person could add a vampire template (LA +8) advancing 8 levels on the roster by only winning 1 fight. 11. No. Winners don't care how much they spent since they just received a big reward. The balancing factor is that if you lose you don't want to have no resources left. Replacing one-shots for losers is a bad idea because it will encourage even more use of high powered one-shots, because if you lose they'll be refunded. 12. No, the allies must be reacquired the same way they were originally gained. This means that animal companions, special mounts, and cohorts are free. All other allies have their own listed costs to acquire, which equals the cost to reacquire. 13. reluctantly I will agree with b. 14. No. 15. No, the Wild enhancement only allows the armor to retain its bonus to AC. The equipment still melds into form and is therefore without weight, encumbrance, max dex, armor check penalty, arcane spell failure, or the -2 to attacks from the tower shields unweildy size. Otherwise, how could a druid in wild armor use wildshape to become something like an eagle? The weight/encumbrance would be much to great. |
| Ethendril05-11-04, 05:35 PM | 6: The Lich: Do you think we should allow the lich without the 120k gp aswell as the casterlevel requirement? ...go to debate VOTE: (a) Yes, allow the lich without requirements, or as a template class [I also think we should possibly allow other templated classes as an easier way of becoming high ECL creatures.] 7: Psionics VOTE: Yes, psionics should be allowed, because more diversity, if balanced, is good for the arena. 8. Stackable Prebuffs: No. This gives a significant advantage to casters that other characters can't effectively duplicate. 16 potions? That's not an option. Also, the fact that casters can scribed scrolls means this would cost much less for casters (specifically wizards) than for other classes. If we allow this, we will start to see casters entering with 10-12 prebuffs, which is very bad for balance. 9. Inherited Templates: No (although I'd like to have an exception for Cliodhna, who I know wants to add this template strictly for RP reasons, I think that the first levels are much harder for templated characters. To maintain the balance, I vote no (except for Cliodhna:D ) 10. Templates After Creation Cost: (d)...I wish there were another vote option here. I would vote that you could not acquire a template except by leveling up (after winning a fight), in which case I would say it costs 0 credits. EDIT: Jindl: I think that rather than allowing people to bump many levels, it would be better to allow the savage progressions on the wizards website. We could link to it from the FAQ so people could find it. I think it's pretty balanced, and will be more fun watching someone transform into a lycanthrope than just immediately gaining the template. If that's not the way we go, then my vote is for 4 credits, since I'm not sure I like the idea of someone jumping 6 or 8 levels...it should be more expensive. 11. Refundable items: Should the gladiator get one-shot items (potions, scrolls, charges, etc) refunded if he doesn't level? B. No. This would lead to unrestrained potion and scroll use. 12. Ressurected allies: Should we ressurect allies for free? A. Yes. You should not be able to permanently harm your adversary. Furthermore, we should do away with monster fights. I have two gladiators I'd currently like to obtain an ally for, but unless I sit everyone out for a monster fight with a foregone conclusion, I can't do it unless I take more fights than I can handle. 13. Prememorized spells How should we handle the prememorizing of spells? B. Half spells rounded up. This is a small change, but I think it creates more balance. This should be sufficient, and I don't think much more would ever be required. 14. Caster level of bought scrolls: Should we implement a ECL+2 cap on scrolls to prevent fireballed@lvl2? B. No. Buy a potion of resist energy (fire) instead. 15. Druids and wild armor: No. The armor melds, but retains its armor and enhancement bonus. All other weight, encumbrance, etc. are gone. This is a very expensive enhancement for armor, and should provide a nice benefit. No monk's belts, though. |
| Tellish_of_Ket05-15-04, 12:59 PM | G'day All, #11: No. This makes wands and other charged items completely useless (almost). Why would i buy a wand of fireballs, or cure light wounds, when i could just buy a stack of 10 scrolls of either and have them replaced for free after the fight? This doesn't make sense to me. #12: No. Allies are an inherent cost to the gladiator. Once dead, it's dead and must be reacquired as per the rules. (exception would be those gained by leadership feat...heck you spent a fight and didn't a.affin/animate cheese it). #13: (C) reveal all #14: (b) no. If you're worried about being fireballed at level two, buy a scroll of resist energy. #15: No. After exhaustive research and reading, it's very inconclusive. However, gun to my head, i would say it's exactly as stated. AC and enhancement only. No shields, no monk's belt, no wis to ac for mnk/drd. "Properties" of said armor are also lost through melding (ie. fortification etc...). -ToK |
| MotherBast05-16-04, 08:15 AM | 11- NO, for reasons already mentioned by Tellish and Jindil. 12- NO, regain through same method used to attain the first time. Of course, this is "free" for most allies, but Purchased allies would be rebought, and Undead reanimated. Allies who do EXP damage when they die would convert the EXP into gold damage. 13- C, reveal all. 14- NO, unless you plan to forbid melees to buy warhorses, and sneaks from getting feather token wips. Everyone has a "trick" to win the low levels. Scrolls arn't the worst of them. 15- NO, of course not, its silly to even think it would |