Fight of the week 15/12/04 Comments and Concerns [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTimePost
Sindorin

12-15-04, 04:02 PM
Ding! Time's up! The brownies are done!

STOP EDITING YO' SHEETS, HOMIES!!!
T'Var

12-15-04, 04:11 PM
Ding! Time's up! The brownies are done!

STOP EDITING YO' SHEETS, HOMIES!!!

Man...you got balls on your hat....haha....*eats another brownie*
Sindorin

12-15-04, 04:32 PM
heh, and I am also wearing makeup :)
Einzelgaenger

12-15-04, 05:39 PM
Well, I guess I'm out this week, so I'll just upgrade my character, and I have a whole week to do it this time.
Pitlords

12-15-04, 06:48 PM
Roster is updated, fights are assigned. Tactics are due on Friday, fights on Monday.

Some stuff of note:

The Rhaegar vs Tair Malek challenge match couldn't happen, because Pard Longfellow had a star on him, meaning he gets to fight this week. Also, since Tard Longfellow is out at level 3, perhaps if Kaigan is OK with it, Einzelgaenger could ready his character to fight him?

Andrue vs. The Prince has been reassigned to our new pitlord, Einzelgaenger. Please send your tactics to him.

Credit changes:
T'Var +2
Einzelgaenger, Snommelp, Pittbull, Battousai2005, Huan, SnarkHunter, Ashenai, Caterane +1
Snommelp

12-15-04, 07:30 PM
Khalil Odar is back for seconds, eh? This should be fun. To Nanaleigh and Zepher: I prefer tactics by PM, but e-mail works as well, as do candygrams.
Pitlords

12-15-04, 10:19 PM
NOTE: To avoid an immediate rematch, the level 4 pairings have been modified. See the relevant posts by Snommelp and Pitlords in the Tavern thread for details.

Level 4
Luken the Renegade (Huan) vs Khalil Odar (KerlanRayne): Pittbull
Cliché Ferech (Sindorin) vs Tara Brightblade (Snommelp): Battousai2005
SnarkHunter

12-15-04, 10:55 PM
Pmed tactics to T'Var.

Haven't recieved any yet.
T'Var

12-15-04, 11:14 PM
Pmed tactics to T'Var.

Haven't recieved any yet.

received and replyed to Snark
Kaigan

12-16-04, 12:23 AM
@Pitlords and Ashenai: Yeah, I'm down with that. Tard will fight
SnarkHunter

12-16-04, 12:37 AM
received and replyed to Snark

Received reply and replied. :)
Sindorin

12-16-04, 01:02 AM
@Pitlords -
To avoid an immediate rematch, the level 5 pairings need to be altered as well. Malsvir and Taryn fought at last level, Malsvir bumped and Taryn won. I'm only saying this because I was hoping Illyx would get a fight this week.

I could have sworn I saw the altered pairing somewhere, and silly me, I wrote tactics against one of the characters and sent them to T'Var.

If that's how it's supposed to be, I'm cool with it, but if level four changes to avoid a rematch, level five should too.
Pitlords

12-16-04, 01:21 AM
The level 4 matches were changed to avoid a rematch because there were no drawbacks to doing this; everyone at that level got to fight anyway.

In the case of the level 5 pairings, however, someone has to sit out, and fairness demands a 1/3 chance for everyone. In addition, Taryn is Jindl's only active character this week, and Malsvir is Piuro's only character, while you have an active character (Tair Malek) besides Illyx. (Nonetheless, this didn't factor into the decision to have Illyx sit out: that was just the way the online dice rolled.)

If Jindl or Piuro don't want to fight each other again, one of them can, of course, decide to step down and allow Illyx to fight the other, but that's their choice.
Beldin

12-16-04, 04:25 AM
Tactics have been e-mailed to T-Var.
Caterane

12-16-04, 04:47 AM
@Sindorin: At least, write "December" instead of a number. Different parts of the World handle the order differently, and some might even think we have mnoth 15 and are glad that they don't have to buy birthday presents :D

Alright then, you're the official fight of the week opener now.
Einzelgaenger

12-16-04, 05:29 AM
much thanks to whoever gave me a low level fight to start. i'm new to PLing, and the less I have to keep track of at first, the better.
Ashenai

12-16-04, 05:58 AM
Heh. Your Secret Mystery Game Master says you're very welcome, and that you just made his day. He told me to tell you just now. ;)
Sindorin

12-16-04, 08:28 AM
@Sindorin: At least, write "December" instead of a number. Different parts of the World handle the order differently, and some might even think we have mnoth 15 and are glad that they don't have to buy birthday presents :D

Alright then, you're the official fight of the week opener now.

haha, my... birthday... present...

Yay, I now have a position of responsibility here. mmm... POWER... :)

Re:level 5's

Well, I guess that is true. I'll await either of their responses. It just seemed like a precedence that there shouldn't be an immediate rematch. It's all good then.
Sindorin

12-16-04, 02:59 PM
@Kemal and T'Var

Please have your tactics in ASAP, as I will be out of town starting Saturday morning until Tuesday morning. I might be able to get it up Sunday or Monday sometime, but it will be a crunch. The best thing would be for me to be able to run the fight Friday and have it ready.

Thank you,
~Sindorin
T'Var

12-16-04, 06:43 PM
Tactics sent for T'Var
Battousai2005

12-17-04, 12:53 AM
Sent in tactics for his royal highness via PM and E-mail.
Snommelp

12-17-04, 12:56 AM
Tactics recieved from Nanaliegh; still waiting on Zepher. I know Razor's lost every time I've run him, but I swear it's not a conspiracy against you!
Pittbull

12-17-04, 03:16 AM
Luken the Renegade (Huan) vs Khalil Odar (KerlanRayne): Pittbull

0 Pittbull +++++|+ <two> [Request: Low-level fights only, tactics on Thursday]

@Huan and KerlanRayne:

None of you sent me any tactic, haven't you read my request? Shall I run the fights wiht default-tactics? Please respond quickly.
Ashenai

12-17-04, 03:41 AM
@Huan and KerlanRayne:

None of you sent me any tactic, haven't you read my request? Shall I run the fights wiht default-tactics?

Please don't. As long as they send the tactics on Friday, they're on time, and shouldn't be punished for it. If you won't have time to do the fight, no worries; just hand it over to someone who does.
Pittbull

12-17-04, 09:12 AM
@Kerlan: Got it!
Ashenai

12-17-04, 10:30 AM
Tactics for Ex Nihilo sent to Huan.
SnarkHunter

12-17-04, 11:26 AM
Recieved Tair Maleks tactics. Still waiting on Pards.

Hey Ash, any chance that other fight'll be done soon?
Jindl

12-17-04, 12:29 PM
Tactics for Taryn vs Malsvir (The Rematch) sent to T'Var.

-Jindl
MysticMonk2005

12-17-04, 02:09 PM
Pard's tactics are PM'd.
SnarkHunter

12-17-04, 02:10 PM
Just got Pard's tactics. I'm not doing anything this afternoon and it looks pretty straigthforward so I might run it presently...
Sindorin

12-17-04, 02:15 PM
Tactics for both Sin and T'Var have been recieved. Thanks guys for getting them in, I will get it up tonight hopefully with a nice story (because I like Sin's biblical references) and thus will not be forced to pass the fight to another pitlord as I go out of town for a few days.
Caterane

12-17-04, 02:23 PM
Archangel Ixenthor's tactics have just been sent to Huan.
Huan

12-17-04, 11:01 PM
@Pittbull
Tactics for Luken have been PMed, sorry to be later than your Thursday request.

Tactics for Ixenthor and Ex Nihilo have both been recieved, thank you.
Zepher

12-17-04, 11:23 PM
@Snommelp

Tactics for Razor have been sent.
Snommelp

12-17-04, 11:27 PM
Tactics for Razor recieved. I'll probably run the fight later today, depending on how lazy I'm feeling.
Einzelgaenger

12-18-04, 04:42 AM
Well, I've ran my first fight, and I would appreciate input from anyone concerning anything about it, be it real mistakes or other misc. stuff.
Sindorin

12-18-04, 08:50 AM
T'Var vs. Sin is up.
Pitlords

12-20-04, 02:15 AM
Because the boards were down for more than a day, the deadline for posting fights has been extended until Tuesday, CoCo time.
Caterane

12-20-04, 03:30 AM
Battousais cannot run the Cliché Ferech (Sindorin) vs Tara Brightblade (Snommelp) fight. I would do it, no problem, but if someone is interested in a credit he can have it.

First one gets it.
Pittbull

12-20-04, 03:33 AM
Battousais cannot run the Cliché Ferech (Sindorin) vs Tara Brightblade (Snommelp) fight. I would do it, no problem, but if someone is interested in a credit he can have it.

First one gets it.

I will do it. Just send it over.

Edit: *greedy* my precious credit!!(HeHehe) ;)
Einzelgaenger

12-20-04, 03:38 AM
I will do it. Just send it over.

Edit: *greedy* my precious credit!!(HeHehe) ;)

damn, i was gonna get another credit, too...meh
Caterane

12-20-04, 07:46 AM
And we have a winner: Pittbull!!

It's all yours.

@Sindorin & Snommelp: Please send tactics to Pittbull. Battousai is out of town and cannot forward them (he left before the boards came up again and the tactics were in his PM box)
Pitlords

12-20-04, 08:04 AM
The Cliché Ferech (Sindorin) vs Tara Brightblade (Snommelp) fight is now assigned to Pittbull.

Credit changes: Pittbull +1, Battousai2005 -1.
Pittbull

12-20-04, 08:29 AM
Fight: Khalil vs Luken (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=5079544&postcount=1114) is up!

Edit:
Sindorin: Tactic received!
Ashenai

12-20-04, 12:27 PM
mispost, please ignore
Pitlords

12-20-04, 12:29 PM
This is somewhat belated, but...

For his excellent story (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=5033078), Sindorin gets +1 credit.

Honourable mention goes to Battousai2005's um... thing (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=5031294), and Snommelp's little mood-setting vignette (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=5034148).
Beldin

12-20-04, 01:55 PM
Zhaiyad will skin flay and slaughter any of Sindorin's characters if he gets to fight them... :censored: :censored:
SnarkHunter

12-20-04, 02:02 PM
Wow, I thought it was just me and the suckness of my computer that kept me from connecting. Pard vs. Tair should be up tonight.
T'Var

12-20-04, 02:11 PM
Wow, I thought it was just me and the suckness of my computer that kept me from connecting. Pard vs. Tair should be up tonight.

right there with ya

Both of my fights will be up tonight CMT so i bleave early am GMT
Sindorin

12-20-04, 02:19 PM
Zhaiyad will skin flay and slaughter any of Sindorin's characters if he gets to fight them... :censored: :censored:

hehehe, warum mich??? :confused: :cool:
Pittbull

12-20-04, 06:48 PM
Tara vs. Cliche will be up early in the morning. It's one of the fights where both characters get/are pretty close to the 10-rounds violation. I'll do an impromtu ruling, so that an end is possible and I'll give you enough time to respond. But let me tell you, it's not easy, if both character hide behind rocks at different ends of the arena. ;) But let's see, I have allready about 13 rounds and soon the the clash will take place.
T'Var

12-20-04, 07:57 PM
Zhaiyad vs the Arhat is up

the cheeze that is Ego Whip wins again

Taryn vs Malsvir is also up
Pittbull

12-21-04, 04:26 AM
Tara vs. Cliche (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=5086320&postcount=1117) is up!
Dalton Onestone

12-21-04, 04:59 AM
Zhaiyad vs the Arhat is up



Speaking of that, it looks as if Zhaiyad is a specialist wizard who took divination as one of his two prohibited schools.

But according to the PHG and SRD, that's not allowed.

Please explain?
T'Var

12-21-04, 08:18 AM
Speaking of that, it looks as if Zhaiyad is a specialist wizard who took divination as one of his two prohibited schools.

But according to the PHG and SRD, that's not allowed.

Please explain?


The wizard must choose whether to specialize and, if she does so, choose her specialty at 1st level. At this time, she must also give up two other schools of magic (unless she chooses to specialize in divination; see below), which become her prohibited schools. A wizard can never give up divination to fulfill this requirement. Spells of the prohibited school or schools are not available to the wizard, and she can’t even cast such spells from scrolls or fire them from wands. She may not change either her specialization or her prohibited schools later.


wow great catch. that does lead to a red charector violation
Snommelp

12-21-04, 04:37 PM
Alexis vs. Razor will be up after I run a few quick errands.
@ Pittbull: it doesn't change the fight any, but Tara is a human, not a halfling.
Ashenai

12-21-04, 05:55 PM
The Evram vs. Anna rerun (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=5054213) is complete.
Jindl

12-21-04, 06:38 PM
@Ash -

Anna gains 5 temp hps with each successful use of her draining touch ability. So maybe she saved a charge from her wand: inflict light wounds because she didn't need to heal as much?

Also, can you tell me how the constructs can injure Anna with physical attacks? AFAIK, their slam attacks are not considered to be magic weapons.

-Jindl
Huan

12-21-04, 06:45 PM
Ex Nihilo vs Archangel Ixenthor will be up soon... definitely before deadline. Please bear with me. Simply adding story, so while the bare fight may be up, the story may be a little later.
Ashenai

12-21-04, 06:50 PM
@Ash -

Anna gains 5 temp hps with each successful use of her draining touch ability. So maybe she saved a charge from her wand: inflict light wounds because she didn't need to heal as much?

Heh. Yes, you're right. Fixed now.

Also, can you tell me how the constructs can injure Anna with physical attacks? AFAIK, their slam attacks are not considered to be magic weapons.

Level 7 Astral Constructs have DR 10/magic, so their natural weapons are considered magical.

@Huan (and everyone else who hasn't posted their fight yet): The deadline is theoretically in 9 minutes, but I'm going to sleep shortly, and I won't be assigning late penalties until I wake up. Please do post fights as soon as possible, though, because people won't have too much time to update characters as it is.
Snommelp

12-21-04, 07:06 PM
Alexis vs. Razor (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=5090483) is up. I hope there aren't any problems with it, since tomorrow's Wednesday and all...
Huan

12-21-04, 09:44 PM
Ixenthor vs Ex Nihilo (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=5091606) is up. I again had to post the bare-bones version, but the story for this, and my two last week will be posted tomorrow.
Piuro

12-21-04, 10:22 PM
A few problems with my fight... just a feeeew (http://www.deviantart.com/view/13374533/)...

First (fig 1) is that malsvir was in cover, and thus imposible to charge.
Second (Fig 2) is that I hurt the horse with my bolas... plus the critical.
Third (Fig... you get it) points out that unless he used his movement going way around, he would be too close to charge.
Fourth points out that malsvir wants a donut.

Also, it seems my tatoo casting strategy was ignored... why, may i ask?
T'Var

12-21-04, 11:16 PM
A few problems with my fight... just a feeeew (http://www.deviantart.com/view/13374533/)...

First (fig 1) is that malsvir was in cover, and thus imposible to charge.
Second (Fig 2) is that I hurt the horse with my bolas... plus the critical.
Third (Fig... you get it) points out that unless he used his movement going way around, he would be too close to charge.
Fourth points out that malsvir wants a donut.

Also, it seems my tatoo casting strategy was ignored... why, may i ask?


while the art work was truely frightning, I can answer these questions

firstly you would have had cover except that since Taryn was using a large creature as a mount, she can choose which of the 4 squares she wishs to occupy each round. and the top right corner once she occupided in the beginning of that round was not blocked by any "corner, to cornor" LOE thus negating your cover and allowing a charge.

Using the Bolos as a trip attack as per your tactics made it a trip attack not a dmg attack. trip attacks deal no damage

at the end of that action you 5 foot stepped out of the way which moved you out of his 10 foot reach and therefor stopped the charge, so Taryn used the Ride by attack feat and used her entire 100ft movement which did give her enough space to make a charge the next round

your tattoo was not used because i honestly forgot however, and on round 3 you should have used either the armor or shield tattoo, however the attack made on round 4 beat your ac by 6 points and the most you would have gained was 4. while this was compleatly my bad it would not have changed the outcome of the battle

lastly go Here (http://www.krispykreme.com/) for your box if donuts, just tell them that T'Var sent you, they'll hook ya up
Jindl

12-22-04, 12:00 AM
@T'Var - Bola's deal subdual damage plus they allow a free trip attack. However, Malsvir could not have dealt enough damage with a single bola attack to knock Spark unconcious, so it doesn't really matter.

@Huan - Ixenthor cannot ride a dienonychus (the dinosaur is a medium creature, see the Errata). This has pretty significant implications on the fight.

@Ash - Although we have used GMT for the Editing Deadline, AFAIK it has never been used for the late penalty deadline. I would suggest giving until 6 AM EST before assessing late penalties, as MANY of our pitlords are in the US and would like to be able to finish fights on Monday nights. Besides, the europeans will generally be asleep during this time anyway, so what difference does it make as far as what time their fight was posted as long as it is done when they wake up on Tuesday?

-Jindl
SnarkHunter

12-22-04, 02:23 AM
Pard vs. Tair is up Pretty close up till the end.
Ashenai

12-22-04, 06:04 AM
@Ash - Although we have used GMT for the Editing Deadline, AFAIK it has never been used for the late penalty deadline. I would suggest giving until 6 AM EST before assessing late penalties, as MANY of our pitlords are in the US and would like to be able to finish fights on Monday nights.

Heh, that's what I said... I wouldn't assign penalites until waking up.
Pitlords

12-22-04, 06:58 AM
Alexis won and used one arrow.
Razor lost, but destroyed Alexis' bow.

Please note that all Sundered and otherwise destroyed items are repaired for free after the fight. So Alexis' bow is fine.
Ashenai

12-22-04, 07:23 AM
A couple of important issues with the Ex Nihilo vs. Ixenthor fight.

1) Ex Nihilo didn't use Stunning Fist on either of his attacks in Round 2. A stun on either opponent would have been exceedingly useful.

2) Since a stunned opponent drops everything he's holding, would the stunned griffon in round 4 not also let go of Ex Nihilo? I'm not sure of the answer to this myself, just thought I'd mention it.

3) My tactics (under Contingencies) did say that Ex Nihilo would try to save his life with his Resilience ability. After putting up the Vigor, he still has 8 PPs left, which can absorb 16 points of damage with Resilience.

Since any of these issues might easily give Ex Nihilo an all-important extra round, and since Ex Nihilo is not fighting next week anyway, I would very much appreciate a rerun... but I realize that it's already Wednesday, so I'll only ask for a rerun if Ixenthor doesn't want to fight Herrix. If he does, then then sure, the fight can stay. :)
Huan

12-22-04, 08:11 AM
A couple of important issues with the Ex Nihilo vs. Ixenthor fight.

1) Ex Nihilo didn't use Stunning Fist on either of his attacks in Round 2. A stun on either opponent would have been exceedingly useful.

2) Since a stunned opponent drops everything he's holding, would the stunned griffon in round 4 not also let go of Ex Nihilo? I'm not sure of the answer to this myself, just thought I'd mention it.

3) My tactics (under Contingencies) did say that Ex Nihilo would try to save his life with his Resilience ability. After putting up the Vigor, he still has 8 PPs left, which can absorb 16 points of damage with Resilience.

Since any of these issues might easily give Ex Nihilo an all-important extra round, and since Ex Nihilo is not fighting next week anyway, I would very much appreciate a rerun... but I realize that it's already Wednesday, so I'll only ask for a rerun if Ixenthor doesn't want to fight Herrix. If he does, then then sure, the fight can stay.


1) I did do a stunning fist on the first flurry punch vs the griffon, but that attack missed. I was not sure if one could combine a stun with a trip, though.

2) I was not sure of this too, but I was going to rule that you still would have been grappled, but would have been able to break out unopposed next round.

3) Argh! You're right! I completely overlooked that. I kept forgetting Ex Nihilo is really an Elan and not a Warforged. :embarrass

I can do a rerun today real fast; just give me the word, Caterane.
Jindl

12-22-04, 09:04 AM
@Huan - Ixenthor cannot ride a dienonychus (the dinosaur is a medium creature, see the Errata). This has pretty significant implications on the fight.
Re: Ixenthor vs Ex Nihilio -

If you are going to rerun, please fix this mistake as well.

-Jindl
Huan

12-22-04, 09:11 AM
That would significantly affect the fight, I do apologize for my lack of insight, I will rerun today as soon as possible.
Nanaleigh

12-22-04, 11:00 AM
Please note that all Sundered and otherwise destroyed items are repaired for free after the fight. So Alexis' bow is fine.

ah, thankyouthankyouthankyou, I thought I was going to end up spending all of my money on my bow again.
Piuro

12-22-04, 12:42 PM
Can someone doublecheck the ride by attack? Im pretty sure being in cover negates charge attempts... as this was an issue in the last fight i ran. Also, i should have cast SOF among other things. Im personally just not happy with the, "Oops, I forgot a huge portion of your strategy", since I would have delayed until I used both tattooes giving me a +8 to AC, making the charge fail.
T'Var

12-22-04, 01:34 PM
Can someone doublecheck the ride by attack? Im pretty sure being in cover negates charge attempts... as this was an issue in the last fight i ran. Also, i should have cast SOF among other things. Im personally just not happy with the, "Oops, I forgot a huge portion of your strategy", since I would have delayed until I used both tattooes giving me a +8 to AC, making the charge fail.

Yes anyone feel free to punch in the placements numbers and double check my line up for the correct charge.
as i looked it over. the fact that she has a 10ft reach allowed her to charge down the line that did not give you cover. once you moved 5 ft more the charge ATTACK was negated, but the movement was still allowed

you DID use Shield of Faith.

There was only 1 round that i failed to have you preform an action that that would have givin you +4 ac not enough. If you would really like I can change that part the fight and charge you a tattoo of internal force even though i wouldnt help

you did not say when you wanted to use the tattoos just that you would do it after you got into cover and cast SOF but before she dismounted...and frankly the fight just didnt last that long as she charged and you stated in your tactics to use the bolo as a readied action
Snommelp

12-22-04, 03:11 PM
Please note that all Sundered and otherwise destroyed items are repaired for free after the fight. So Alexis' bow is fine.
Nanaleigh thanks you for saving the bow, but I thank you that that is the only flaw anyone's found in the fight! :D