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| Tellish_of_Ket08-19-04, 08:32 PM | Looks like Cat forgot to include a FoTW thread for comments and concerns. So here i am starting it. Ok everyone lets be nice and civil. Just don't tick me off is all. lol j/k -ToK |
| Druid Roxors08-19-04, 08:45 PM | Why isn't my Mail box full with tactics? Tactics Not Recieved for Mr.Big Tactics Not Recieved for Ban'zanifal Tactics Not Recieved for Brock Granitehand Tactics Not Recieved for Bloodmaiden Shiaan Tactics Not Recieved for Zedarak Tactics Not Recieved for Donkey What is wrong with you people!? Its been like 10 minutes already! How much more time do you need!? :rofl: Ps. Early tactics = Early Revision = Early Fight :) |
| Magagumo08-19-04, 09:00 PM | hehe, and yet, Tori's & Crest's tactics have just been sent to Caterane :) |
| Sindorin08-19-04, 09:35 PM | Tactics for Thiror sent to Caterane... Why do I get the feeling that the freezing of the level 8 characters is a hint to me to remake my red wizard... bah... |
| cellardweller08-19-04, 09:55 PM | Tactics status Shiaan: Sent via email Aku: received Dr Dre: received |
| Druid Roxors08-19-04, 10:12 PM | Tactic Monitor: Tactics Not Recieved for Mr.Big Tactics Not Recieved for Ban'zanifal Tactics Not Recieved for Brock Granitehand Tactics Recieved for Bloodmaiden Shiaan Tactics Not Recieved for Zedarak Tactics Not Recieved for Donkey Thanks for the early delivery. I will reply shortly with whatever concerns I find. |
| SnarkHunter08-19-04, 10:18 PM | Tactics sent for Evram. None recieved yet, working on Donkey's right now. |
| Aramil Dunskar08-19-04, 11:23 PM | Originally posted by Sindorin Tactics for Thiror sent to Caterane... Why do I get the feeling that the freezing of the level 8 characters is a hint to me to remake my red wizard... bah... How exactly did that happen anyways? Weren't you available to fight Ernie the Great? @ Magagumo: Tacitcs sent for Ernie the Traveler. -AD |
| Sindorin08-19-04, 11:31 PM | Originally posted by Aramil Dunskar How exactly did that happen anyways? Weren't you available to fight Ernie the Great? @ Magagumo: Tacitcs sent for Ernie the Traveler. -AD It was posted in the tavern that we would freeze the level eights... i thought... either way, I can only have one active character this week, and my soulknife is paired at level three... sorry... maybe next week! |
| SnarkHunter08-19-04, 11:59 PM | Tactics to Donkey 1st sent to Ash by mistake then resent to Druid. Sorry for the mixup Ashenai, wish me luck! |
| Kaigan08-20-04, 01:52 AM | Sent Tactics to Caterane via Email. |
| KerlanRayne08-20-04, 03:11 AM | Hey Ash, you want a rematch with Cyric? Since your 6th level char was all ready for last week but was alone, you don't even have to edit if you don't want. KerlanRayne |
| El_Jaguaro08-20-04, 04:15 AM | Originally posted by SnarkHunter Tactics to Donkey 1st sent to Ash by mistake then resent to Druid. Sorry for the mixup Ashenai, wish me luck! Uh, looks like it's contagious. Darn it. Now i know who started this trend. My tactics accidently sent to Tellish_of_Ket, and thankgoodness it's not my opponent. Hopefully they've been re-directed to Caterane. The Jag, |
| LLMadCow08-20-04, 04:29 AM | Originally posted by Druid Roxors Why isn't my Mail box full with tactics? Tactics Not Recieved for Mr.Big Tactics Not Recieved for Ban'zanifal Tactics Not Recieved for Brock Granitehand Tactics Not Recieved for Bloodmaiden Shiaan Tactics Not Recieved for Zedarak Tactics Not Recieved for Donkey What is wrong with you people!? Its been like 10 minutes already! How much more time do you need!? :rofl: Ps. Early tactics = Early Revision = Early Fight :) First let me start by saying: Dude, lay of the drugs ... or whatever it is you are on that leads you to believe in 10 minute tactics. Second, after a quick review of Ban'zanifal, it appears he has too much gold (Should be 963), doesn't list past expenditures and needs to fix the link for his 3rd fight. (And what's the deal with his feats? He had Speed of Thought for his first two fights and then it disappears / turns into something else that is slipping my mind right now...) Third, I am giving warning that I will have tactics to you within 24 hours, but likely towards the end of that time frame. Sorry. :ayyyy!: |
| Ashenai08-20-04, 05:47 AM | Tactics for Donkey received. Tactics for Donkey deleted with extreme prejudice. Good luck wishes and positive energy sent to Snark. :D KerlanRayne: Ye gods, Ego Whip. Ildechai did not prepare for Ego Whip, and he's full of spells he'd never have memorized if he knew that Cyric was a possible opponent (he's 100% prepared for a fight with Pard, in fact). So I'm going to have to say no (sorry). It wouldn't be the real Ildechai fighting; he'd merely be a hollow shell of himself. :) |
| Tellish_of_Ket08-20-04, 08:25 AM | Kelek/Brock/Pyre's tactics have been sent. @EL_Jaguaro: Don't worry, that was MO's favorite pass-time. And he actually sent them to his opponents too. lol -ToK |
| Magagumo08-20-04, 08:38 AM | I'll address this here, LL. I trust you're accurate (I'll chk ASAP, but would you mind sending me a PM showing how he has 460 too much? It's kind of important....) on his gold, I tend to simply list expenditures as they come (this is std. for all my chars and I tend to be fairly accurate... most of the time ;)). As for Speed of Thought, Ban never used it, and when I asked if anyone had an issue with it being changed over to Power Attack, no one objected (you can see, he never ever got off his horse ;)) Tactics recieved for Ernie, Tactics for Crest, Ban, and Tori sent out... need more time as Bruno wonders why he always fights Druids and clerics ;) Edit: I'll add past expen. after this fight. |
| Druid Roxors08-20-04, 09:59 AM | Originally posted by LLMadCow First let me start by saying: Dude, lay of the drugs ... or whatever it is you are on that leads you to believe in 10 minute tactics.:P Second, after a quick review of Ban'zanifal, it appears he has too much gold (Should be 963), doesn't list past expenditures and needs to fix the link for his 3rd fight. (And what's the deal with his feats? He had Speed of Thought for his first two fights and then it disappears / turns into something else that is slipping my mind right now...)Ill check it out. Thanks! It is for your own good to check your oponents, I could miss something Third, I am giving warning that I will have tactics to you within 24 hours, but likely towards the end of that time frame. Sorry. :ayyyy!: :headexplo |
| Myrridin08-20-04, 10:19 AM | Snark: Tactics sent for Kesaron. |
| Druid Roxors08-20-04, 10:22 AM | Tactics Monitor: Tactics Not Recieved for Mr.Big Tactics Recieved for Ban'zanifal Tactics Recieved for Brock Granitehand Tactics Recieved for Bloodmaiden Shiaan Tactics Not Recieved for Zedarak Tactics Recieved for Donkey |
| Ethendril08-20-04, 12:45 PM | Cat: I've sent you the unnecessary tactics for the very expensive Dusk vs. the Hydra fight. Thanks for running it for me. :) |
| roll8dn08-20-04, 12:47 PM | @El Jaguaro: Tactics sent for Selvos Rad'koln. Let me know if they are too cryptic; I'll try and clear them up if they are. |
| Druid Roxors08-20-04, 02:04 PM | Tactics Monitor: Tactics Not Recieved for Mr.Big Tactics Recieved for Ban'zanifal, Replied Tactics Recieved for Brock Granitehand, Replied Tactics Recieved for Bloodmaiden Shiaan, Replied Tactics Recieved for Zedarak, Replied Tactics Recieved for Donkey, Replied I will probably start running fights today. Starting with the lower levels. (which is why I need Ban and Mr.Big to reply, otherwise I run Brock Vs Shiaan) |
| El_Jaguaro08-20-04, 02:29 PM | Smiles to All: Well, i tried using the online dice roller. Fairly cumbersome, but i guess i just need practice. The fight Selvos vs Pyre is here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=4235468#post4235468) for your reading pleasure. The Jag (ps, someone brought their lucky rabbit's foot) |
| Druid Roxors08-20-04, 03:05 PM | Pata de conejo? :D |
| El_Jaguaro08-20-04, 03:26 PM | Originally posted by Druid Roxors Pata de conejo? :D si. pie de un conejo muy afortunado :D el jaguar, prrr! |
| SnarkHunter08-20-04, 03:28 PM | Kesaron vs. Arcanus is up (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=4235993#post4235993) Man I love these level 2 fights. That took like 45 minutes, tops. And that was after checking rules for disabled :). |
| El_Jaguaro08-20-04, 03:36 PM | @roll8dn: Your pm box was full, and i do not wish to keep you waiting for a reply so i'm replying here. DMG p 301 Stunned A stunned creature drops everything held, can't take actions, takes a -2 penalty to AC, and loses his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any). You couldn't heal because you were stunned. And as soon as you saw the arrow bounce off you were going to throw your thunderstones, but you got stunned. Also i don't know if you accounted for it though, but potions of bulls/endurance cost 300 gp each. The Jag roll8dn wrote on 08-20-04 03:16 PM: Sorry about the wands; those are supposed to be potions (I marked them wrong; just me being braindead :behold: ). I just have one question: why didn't you have Selvos draw a potion of Cure Light and use it? That's why I had them on there, for times that Selvos drops into the red zone on HP. After he got hit with that Scorching Ray, he was into the red (less than 1/4 of total HP). Other than that, everything was pretty much what I was expecting Selvos to do in the fight. |
| Druid Roxors08-20-04, 03:42 PM | Originally posted by El_Jaguaro si. pie de un conejo muy afortunado :D el jaguar, prrr! No estoy seguro si esa expresion (pata de conejo) se utiliza en estados unidos.. :P |
| Ethendril08-20-04, 04:10 PM | Originally posted by Druid Roxors No estoy seguro si esa expresion (pata de conejo) se utiliza en estados unidos.. :P Solamente deben hablar en ingles aqui! [Remember how Wizo_Shadow shut down the germans].;) |
| Caterane08-20-04, 04:17 PM | Drank a cup of coffee and took a shower Guys, it would be easier to follow this thread if you don't post everytime your mailbox rings. Better compile it to one post. Eso no cuenta para Druid Roxors quien, aparentemente, vive en esta discusión y no quisiera que se quedara sin hogar :D Tactics sent for Prof.Dre'Dandrahl, Harvester 2, and Zedarak. Harvester 1 has been sent already last week. Tactics received for Enilias, Dusk, Crest, Tori, Jaguaro, and Thirror. Still missing 3 tactics. Caterane rules! |
| El_Jaguaro08-20-04, 04:31 PM | Originally posted by Druid Roxors No estoy seguro si esa expresion (pata de conejo) se utiliza en estados unidos.. :P I wouldn't know either. I'm not from the americas. ;) The Jag |
| Rabid Labrador08-20-04, 04:53 PM | @ Magagumo Tactics for Cuul vs Daenerys sent via PM |
| Ashenai08-20-04, 05:07 PM | Received tactics for Kelek and Harvester 2. There are still things that need ironing out, however. |
| Druid Roxors08-20-04, 05:26 PM | Originally posted by Caterane Drank a cup of coffee and took a shower Guys, it would be easier to follow this thread if you don't post everytime your mailbox rings. Better compile it to one post. Esta option unvalida para Druid Roxors El cabayo in vive & yo no quieco como El un pedejo ( no casa ) :D Caterane rules! Did anyone understand what he said? :confused: :confused: :angel: |
| Magagumo08-20-04, 05:27 PM | Recieved Krog, Ernie, and Cuul's tactics Bruno's sent out *head explodey* Will likely run the Ernie v. Krog fight in a few hours. |
| roll8dn08-20-04, 05:48 PM | Originally posted by El_Jaguaro @roll8dn: Your pm box was full, and i do not wish to keep you waiting for a reply so i'm replying here. DMG p 301 Stunned A stunned creature drops everything held, can't take actions, takes a -2 penalty to AC, and loses his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any). You couldn't heal because you were stunned. And as soon as you saw the arrow bounce off you were going to throw your thunderstones, but you got stunned. Also i don't know if you accounted for it though, but potions of bulls/endurance cost 300 gp each. The Jag Okay, thanks for clarifying that. I'll take a look at my DMG and change those potions if they're wrong. Sorry about my PM box being full; it's mostly empty now. Thank you for being so fair about everything. |
| Ethendril08-20-04, 05:55 PM | Originally posted by Druid Roxors Did anyone understand what he said? :confused: :confused: :angel: I think that's Germ-anish.;) |
| roll8dn08-20-04, 06:07 PM | Selvos is edited, and El_Jaguaro, you were right about the potions (it must have been late, and I must have been braindead when I edited him). I have changed them around so that it all matches up. Thank you for noting all of that; I would have gone on being wrong the entire time. Thanks for the impartial fight. |
| Caterane08-20-04, 06:14 PM | Originally posted by Druid Roxors Did anyone understand what he said? :confused: :confused: :angel: My roomate typed that in. Yeah, and spanish is the thing he's best at :nonono: |
| Druid Roxors08-20-04, 06:25 PM | Please tell him to find a new talent... no offense.. :b: |
| MotherBast08-20-04, 06:28 PM | Looked like Japitalian to me. Anyway, sorry to all my pitlords, but I wont be able to send tactics till tomarrow due to RL stuff. (going to a poker tournament, gots money to win and stuff). I will run my fights tomarrow too, all tacts recived. |
| Caterane08-20-04, 07:23 PM | Not Motherbast! Not you!! LOL Besides, it's error free; check it out now :D Well, at least I got what I wanted when we went into a spanish restaurant and my roomate ordered... |
| Druid Roxors08-20-04, 07:31 PM | He probably just pointed at the stuff on the menu and they got the idea :D |
| Druid Roxors08-20-04, 07:43 PM | Mr. Big, wo sind Ihre Tactiken!?!? - Mr. Big, where are your tactics!? Ps. Tactics for Corinthus Sent. (That was hard, phew) |
| kattattack2208-20-04, 07:52 PM | @Caterane - Arkin's tactics vs. Brackin sent via email. Such a tough gladiator to write tactics against. Darn, SR 23... |
| Caterane08-20-04, 09:52 PM | @Druid: It's "Alter, rück die Taktik raus oder es knallt" LOL but it's 100 times better than what my roomate produced. @Kattattack: Hey, you ain't an oracle yet. You have still some levels to go and some stories to read ;) Tactics received. Question: can I replace a stored spell in a ring of counterspelling with another spell? The old spell would of course be deleted in the process but is this possible? |
| Tellish_of_Ket08-20-04, 09:55 PM | Originally posted by Caterane Question: can I replace a stored spell in a ring of counterspelling with another spell? The old spell would of course be deleted in the process but is this possible? It must be discharged...somehow. -ToK |
| kattattack2208-21-04, 12:24 AM | Originally posted by Caterane @Kattattack: Hey, you ain't an oracle yet. You have still some levels to go and some stories to read ;) Tactics received. That is why the oracle part isn't on his character sheet. Besides my sig was getting long (for me) typing in all those things and Oracle in training just doesn't have the same impact. |
| Beldin08-21-04, 10:01 AM | :D oracle in training! @mag: tactics have been sent for Aemon |
| Jindl08-21-04, 10:07 AM | @cellar - Tactics for Aku have been sent. @Mag - Working on Rhoar's tactics now... @Druid - Tactics recieved for Cori (hrm, 2 weeks in a row :D ) @MB - Tactics recieved for Candy. |
| MotherBast08-21-04, 10:48 AM | All my tactics sent. |
| Druid Roxors08-21-04, 12:40 PM | Question: Can a carpet of flying (speed 40) move 80 ft in a round as a double move? |
| Druid Roxors08-21-04, 12:45 PM | Question: A ranger level <4 cannot activate scrolls since he has no caster level but can activate wands, correct? |
| Aramil Dunskar08-21-04, 01:06 PM | @Druid: For the carpet I don't see why it wouldn't be able to take a double move action since it has its own move speed. And you are correct, a ranger cannot activate scrolls since he has not obtained a CL let. Unless I'm mistaken. -AD |
| MysticMonk200508-21-04, 02:05 PM | all tactics sent out. tactics recieved for Arlie, waiting for Viciocelis Tharkan wll run sunday. |
| Magagumo08-21-04, 02:15 PM | I would agree with Aramil on both points Ernie v. Krog is up... Some people make their own luck... and some are just damned lucky. |
| Aramil Dunskar08-21-04, 03:40 PM | Originally posted by Magagumo I would agree with Aramil on both points Ernie v. Krog is up... Some people make their own luck... and some are just damned lucky. :eek: :eek: :eek: That was my expression when I got done reading the fight....... I can't believe how lucky Ernie is..... :eek: Good fight Mystic, sorry about your roten luck..... I was almost sure that I'd lose this fight due to the fact that you could take me out in one hit..... :eek: -AD |
| Magagumo08-21-04, 04:42 PM | Cuul v. Daenerys up. Brutal, simply brutal... |
| Beldin08-21-04, 10:45 PM | why do they always want to heal...:rolleyes: |
| LLMadCow08-22-04, 04:14 AM | Originally posted by Druid Roxors Question: A ranger level <4 cannot activate scrolls since he has no caster level but can activate wands, correct? Quoted from SRD 3.5 / DMG Page 238 To have any chance of activating a scroll spell, the scroll user must meet the following requirements: [List=1] The spell must be of the correct type (arcane or divine). Arcane spellcasters (wizards, sorcerers, and bards) can only use scrolls containing arcane spells, and divine spellcasters (clerics, druids, paladins, and rangers) can only use scrolls containing divine spells. (The type of scroll a character creates is also determined by his or her class.) The user must have the spell on his or her class list. The user must have the requisite ability score.[/List=1] If the user meets all the requirements noted above, and her caster level is at least equal to the spell’s caster level, she can automatically activate the spell without a check. If she meets all three requirements but her own caster level is lower than the scroll spell’s caster level, then she has to make a caster level check (DC = scroll’s caster level + 1) to cast the spell successfully. If she fails, she must make a DC 5 Wisdom check to avoid a mishap (see Scroll Mishaps, below). A natural roll of 1 always fails, whatever the modifiers. Ranger Level 1 + Divine Scroll + Spell on Ranger Spell List + Ability Score (11 - 14) = Might be able to cast the spell, but is allowed to try. For the Caster Level Check, the Ranger would have an effective Caster Level of 0. So, to summarize, Rangers can use wands AND scrolls. |
| MotherBast08-22-04, 07:42 AM | LL, nice resurch, but wrong conclusion, unfortunatly. This question was answered in old FAQ. You can't make a caster level check untill you actually attain a caster level. So, Rangers can't attempt to activate scrolls untill ataining their first caster level (which I thought they attained at level 4). Anyway, no, they can't attempt to activate scrolls without CL, but wands don't require CL, so they can activate them. The FAQ with this answer is in Dragon mag, around issue 300ish. |
| Magagumo08-22-04, 07:44 AM | Tut tut Rangers do not have an Effective Cast Level of 0, as this suggests that a fighter or barbairan might have such a thing as well (a caster list does not a caster make). The PHB states that at 4th lvl, the ranger can begin to cast spells, with an Effec. CL of 1/2 their ranger levels. Remmeber, wands are "spell trigger," and thus are dependent on the spell "being in your future" [on spell list] (call it potential if you will.) Meanwhile, casting a spell from a scroll is "spell completion," the term iself lending credence to the notion that one is still casting the spell from the scroll (thus the CL check, thus the provoked AoO). If oen can't cast spells (like 1-3 Ranger/Paladin), one can't use scrolls. Edit: Also in D&D main page's growing FAQ as well (for those w/o every Dragon) |
| MotherBast08-22-04, 09:59 AM | Both my fights posted. One lasted 1 round, the other lasted 3.... easy week for me as a pitlord, lets hope my gladiators are as lucky. Not much room for mistakes in fights so short, but if anyone spots one.... |
| Magagumo08-22-04, 12:35 PM | Quick question: Just checking, but was the expensive material component also paid for the symbols? It's pretty pricey.. and I just wanted to check. |
| Aramil Dunskar08-22-04, 04:05 PM | @Mag: Quoted from the 3.5 SRD (PHB) Symbol of Death . . . Material Component: Mercury and phosphorus, plus powdered diamond and opal with a total value of at least 5,000 gp each. I think this is what your looking for. If not let me know. -AD |
| MotherBast08-22-04, 04:37 PM | for Pain and fear, the values of the material componets are 1k each. MS has (1,000gp) out beside the spells, so I'm assuming thats what he paid. He will need to pay extra now for the spellcaster service, but he has more than enough to cover the expense. |
| barrel_master08-22-04, 07:42 PM | Just one thing about my fight... symbol of pain has no save. |
| Ashenai08-22-04, 07:56 PM | Yes it does. It's just like Symbol of Death in most things, and the save (Fort negates) is one of them. |
| Market_Share08-22-04, 09:20 PM | Originally posted by MotherBast for Pain and fear, the values of the material componets are 1k each. MS has (1,000gp) out beside the spells, so I'm assuming thats what he paid. He will need to pay extra now for the spellcaster service, but he has more than enough to cover the expense. Yeah, i paid for the components myself. After seeing i couldn't permanent them until later, i also recorded to components on my "used" section, and paid another 2k to recast them both. Instead of being permanent this time however, i will need to recast them yet again after my next fight. I figure it's 7500 gp to make one of them permanent and 5000 for the other, i'll just pay the regular casting cost for a couple of fights until they become redundant, useless or replaced with more powerful versions. SPIKE! |
| Magagumo08-22-04, 09:25 PM | And if Bruno wins a fight... :D When in doubt, make your own ;) |
| Druid Roxors08-23-04, 07:06 PM | @ Caterane: I placed a little modification for Themmez' tactics on your Inbox, I hope I am not too late... |
| Druid Roxors08-23-04, 10:00 PM | @ MysticMonk: Caterane had failed to recieve Themmez' tactics a few days ago, did you recieve any tactics for Viciocelis? |
| Rabid Labrador08-24-04, 12:32 PM | Originally posted by Magagumo Cuul v. Daenerys up. Brutal, simply brutal... I'm not particularly thrilled with the way you ran Cuul in this one - by the way I'm reading it I guess you had him finish a double move right into the middle of Daenerys' range? This contradicts my tactics which stated he would ready a move action to threaten if he couldn't charge or move - attack. Your color text implies that Cuul could hear her position, roughly, so I'm not sure why you had him do this. With the range on her ray less than a single move for Cuul, there's no good reason she should ever get two attacks to none on him without at least having to make a concentration check to cast defensively. At any rate I don't expect you to rerun the fight, but please keep this in mind next time. |
| Ashenai08-30-04, 09:32 PM | Okay, as a relevant part of the Harvester 1-Jindl fight discussion has just disappeared, I'm going to say NO MORE RERUNS for this one, unless you both want to miss another week of pairings. My sincerest apologies to Jindl. After taking everything into consideration, though, I'm fairly certain that the Harvester would have won in a (fair) rerun as well. (Note that you wouldn't have been able to keep your location a secret, as the Harvester's Avoral has True Seeing). I will now re-post the fight. Unfortunately, since I didn't have the last rerun saved on my computer, I had to cut-and-paste it from my browser cache, which means I lost all the different fonts, colours, editing, etc. All the information is still there, though, just a lot less legible. :P In summary: Harvester 1 wins, Cat can go level him. :) |
| Jindl08-30-04, 09:39 PM | I don't think the Harvester would have cast True Seeing if you corrected the initiative issue. I don't think he would have cast it at all, considering that his tactics referred to it as a "useless/less important spell" that should be saved to be converted into healing spells. You have already stated that without the True Seeing, the Harvester misses on his charge attack due to the cloak of minor displacement. You have plenty of time left to fix this, especially since with the board reversion we won't be having pairings for several days. -Jindl |
| Ashenai08-30-04, 10:00 PM | *sigh* I want to get this fight right, but I also want it done, finally. At any rate, I'm done with it for today. If pairings are significantly delayed, I'll consider yet another rerun; I stand by my belief that the Harvester should get to cast True Seeing, though. Cat has always stated that he wanted pitlords to be free to supplement tactics, based on the pitlord's belief of what the tactics were trying to do. In my opinion, True Seeing is a very reasonable spell choice for the Harvester. Similarly, in the first version of the fight, I had you burrow down and then cast Antilife Shell, effectively locking down the burrow. Antilife shell was not the first spell specified in your tactics for buffing with, but I recognized that it was your best option there, realized that burrowing + Antilife is a really cool and useful trick, and so I used it. I am convinced that people want to see their gladiators behave intelligently, instead of stumbling around ineptly when something happens that their tactics didn't foresee. I'm not going to have the Harvester stand around picking his nose because he can't get at Jindl and he didn't specify a long enough buff queue. I'm 99% sure that--if I play both gladiators intelligently, yet adhering to their tactics as much as possible--the Harvester will win the rerun. |
| Caterane08-30-04, 10:22 PM | Don't worry Ash, Jindl is just trying to dissect the fight which he would do in any case. As you said, the Harvester is surely not standing idle while he has no target. Jindl chose to burrow and get out of the fight for a few rounds so he should accept the fact that the Harvester uses this time aswell. Anything else would be ridiculous and very bad pitlording, asides from you having done nothing wrong. Thanks for running the fight Ash. Btw, the fight will enter the World Threat for most damage done! |
| Myrridin08-31-04, 09:23 AM | I will be reposting the Kelek vs Harvester 2 fight in just a couple minutes. |
| Myrridin08-31-04, 09:50 AM | I didn't see Cat's post asking for an explanation of the fight. I will do a rerun, though I will address some of his issues here. The nightmare has 180' movement if it double moves. Kelek and Relic have 60' movement for a single move, which still allows them to ready. The Harvester's tactics explicitly state that if Kelek is readying to cast Silence spells, that he is to instead cast "useless spells" until Kelek is out of Silences. I will rerun the fight, having the Harvester move and cast, and see if that makes a difference. Edit: to clear, and be a bit nicer. |
| Myrridin08-31-04, 10:02 AM | Now here's the problem. Can the Harvester and Nightingale stop on a dime in front of a wall? This has a lot of bearing on Kelek and Relic's tactics. The nightmare has 90' (fly) (good) movement. Ruling/judgment? |
| Jindl08-31-04, 10:26 AM | Now here's the problem. Can the Harvester and Nightingale stop on a dime in front of a wall? This has a lot of bearing on Kelek and Relic's tactics. The nightmare has 90' (fly) (good) movement. Ruling/judgment? There are three things to consider: 1. Is the nightmare capable of turning to avoid an obstacle that it can see? The answer is here (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040706a). A creature must be able to turn in place to avoid an obstacle directly in front of it. A nightmare has good manueverability and can turn in place. 2. Does the nightmare get a chance to react to a prismatic wall? If the wall appeared some distance in front of him, I would say yes. The wall is visible and the nightmare has the manueverability to avoid the collision. However, it is entirely possible to create the wall sharing the same space as the nightmare (see the link above), in which case it gets a reflex save or takes damage as if it moved through the wall. 3. Does the nightmare get a chance to react to a readied, invisible wall of force? I would say no. First off, the wall appears during the nightmare's action, so I don't think it would have a chance to react. Secondly, the wall is invisible, and the nightmare cannot see invisible, so it wouldn't even try to avoid it. I think that in this case, a collision definately occurs, with the results listed in the link above (the nightmare stalls and falls to the ground below, taking falling damage). Hope this helps! -Jindl |
| Ashenai08-31-04, 10:30 AM | Now here's the problem. Can the Harvester and Nightingale stop on a dime in front of a wall? This has a lot of bearing on Kelek and Relic's tactics. The nightmare has 90' (fly) (good) movement. Ruling/judgment? Creatures with Good maneuverability can hover, and have no minimum forward speed. In theory, they can stop whenever they like. On the other hand, here's the relevant bit about readied actions, in the SRD: "The action occurs just before the action that triggers it. If the triggered action is part of another character's activities, you interrupt the other character. Assuming he is still capable of doing so, he continues his actions once you complete your readied action." (emphasis mine) According to the rules as written, if (say) I have a move action to go from (20,0) to (14,0), and my opponent has a readied action to put up a wall at (17,0) when I start moving, I have to finish my action after he put up the wall; that is, I have to go through the wall. The rules are pretty clear, even if one is walking on the ground, or flying with Perfect maneuverability. Whether we want to allow this is something that should be discussed, of course. For this fight, however, I believe the rules support this part of Kelek's tactics. |
| Caterane08-31-04, 10:49 AM | Myrridin, as I said, I don't want to have a rerun. 3 losses then, so what. Cat PS: Perhaps you should clear up the part with the insulting PM. Thanks. |
| Jindl08-31-04, 10:51 AM | Ash's response is why I said it wouldn't have a chance to react as part of question #3 (above). Question #2 above assumed that the wall was not a readied action. -Jindl |
| Myrridin08-31-04, 11:26 AM | The PM situation has been resolved. We both got a bit hostile/hot, and have talked it out. I'm going to rerun the fight, and it does look like the Prismatic Wall readying is a valid tactic. In that case, I'll roll the saves, and we'll see how the Harvester is doing after them. We need to resolve the situation with the Rings and area spells, ie Silence, Fireball, Flame Strike, now, before the next fights. Tactics are written one way, and then interpreted another by a Pitlord. You know what, I'm sorry Cat, that the tactics didn't happen as you wanted them. I'm not going to spend the multiple more hours to change it. If the Prismatic Wall thing works, I honestly think that the match is won right there. Since there seems to be a lot of support for it, especially given that he can just summon it on your square, I'll go with that. Relic used the scroll of Prismatic Wall, as in the first fight. |
| Druid Roxors08-31-04, 11:41 AM | You know what, I'm sorry Cat, that the tactics didn't happen as you wanted them. I'm not going to spend the multiple more hours to change it. If the Prismatic Wall thing works, I honestly think that the match is won right there. Since there seems to be a lot of support for it, especially given that he can just summon it on your square, I'll go with that. Relic used the scroll of Prismatic Wall, as in the first fight. Just noting that the red part is False. Check the spell description. Readying to movement is perfectly valid though. (and perhaps too nasty) |
| Myrridin08-31-04, 11:47 AM | Ahhh yeah, I missed that. The readying to summon right in front of you as you move is valid though. And the consensus seems to be that it's a legal tactic, and really nasty. |
| Jindl08-31-04, 12:49 PM | Ahhh yeah, I missed that. The readying to summon right in front of you as you move is valid though. And the consensus seems to be that it's a legal tactic, and really nasty. Myr - If its not too much trouble, would you mind editing the fight to reflect this? -Jindl |
| Druid Roxors08-31-04, 01:54 PM | @ Jindl/MysticMonk: Did any of you post the Corinthus or Viciocelis fight before the server change? I can't find it and I think it might have gotten lost in time. Please repost them. I have no idea how did they go. |
| Druid Roxors08-31-04, 06:55 PM | Hey, I really need to update and ready my characters. Whats going on? |