Fights of the Week: 27 February 2008 - Comments and Concerns [Archive] - Wizards Community

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TelinArtho

02-27-08, 02:31 PM		Please don't edit the sheet after the deadline or you will lose the match.

News and Whatnot

New Rulings - Courtroom

The Madness domain's bonus to wisdom applies to all thing in spellcasting- not just spell save DCs and bonus spells.
It takes a standard action to call an animal into the wondrous item, "Bag of Tricks". This may be done over any distance.
Animals from the wondrous item "Bag of Tricks" are treated as summoned animals for the purposes of "Protection from [Law/Chaos/Evil/Good]" spells.
Psicrystals can not use the power "Synesthete" due to a lack of face.
Touchsight can not detect a creature with the "Cerebral Blind" ability from the Slayer prestige class.


The Council Decisions/Revelations


Huan apparantley has stepped up to take the newspaper job. We'll see how that unfolds in the weeks to come...
The rules thread is currently being revamped. See the council for more details.
The Credit system is still under review. If you have any strong opinions on the credit system, you should go and leave some input. Especially since this will likely be decided on because...
Two new elders have arrived- CrazyArtificer and Hirumajoe. They are replacements for Macbrea and Vath.
The Fights of the Week Thread will from now on contain updates to what is happening in the Council and Courtroom.
We need/desire a newspaper. Anyone who wants to try their hand at writing stories about Gladius should step up for the job.


Current Topics

Spell Resistance discussions have been renewed- more specifically whether monsters/PC's always improve SR with increased hit dice. Update: These are still going on, and several elders have spoken in support of not advancing SR with hd unless it is specifically said to do so.
There is some debate of what kinds of situations the "Madness" domain helps you and hurts you.


Check out the Courtroom and Council to join in all the fun!


Rules of Gladius
All that you need to know is written in the Rules of Gladius.
It could be useful also to give a look to the Court Decisions Part 1 and Part 2.
Please do not make fake accounts or insult the Elders.

Pairings
GM MindWandererB Elder TelinArtho will pair the active Characters of Gladius after the deadline since GM MindWandererB is absent.
Link to pairings.
Make sure that your character is not in prison.

Pitlording
You should use the CoCo Dice Roller (http://www.hwx.it/wizards.com) for the fight.
If you need it, there is a nice template ready to use that will help.
You could find the Battle Map Tag Generator (http://www.hwx.it/coco) for dynamic Maps very useful. You must post a link to your fight in this thread when it is complete.
If you need a quick and dirty tool to calculate distances between two points (in 2-D or 3-D), this tool (http://wormhole.ath.cx/coco/coco_dist.php) should suffice.
Another useful link is the Quick Access tables for XP and Gold.
If a fight needs to be rerun, the Pitlord has to inform the Pitlords account. He cannot react to requests from Players because the other player and the pitlord might disagree. He has no time to read the fight and the discussion. Please keep that in mind. PMs from players with rerun requests won't have an impact.

Comments & Concerns
Post any comments or concerns for this weeks fights in this thread.
Be kind and courteous to your fellow posters, and don't feed the pitlords.
Please remember that they do hard work and consume a lot of time to let you play. Above all, have FUN!

If you have questions or comments on any of the changes, please make your posts be heard in the Council of Gladius!
TelinArtho

02-27-08, 02:32 PM		Characters of Gladius REWARDS http://www.caterane.de/CoCo/Struktur/Pfeil1.gif http://www.caterane.de/CoCo/Struktur/Goldhaufen.jpg

LEVEL 3 CHARACTERS (LOW)
Shaela of the Rooftops (Callix) [Power: 876 (973); 1 won, 2 lost]
Gimrel Sithraldor (CrazyArtificer) [Power: 1107 (1107); 2 won, 1 lost]
[A] Varuxor (CrazyArtificer) [Power: 912 (912); 1 won, 2 lost]
[A] Orgauth (dulsi) [Power: 923 (923); 1 won, 1 lost]
Khaz Issolith (Eamane) [Power: 966 (966); 1 won, 1 lost]
Dajeus (Eamane) [Power: 887 (887); 2 won, 3 lost]
Shugho-zact (Eamane) [Power: 921 (921); 1 won, 2 lost]
Doria Swift (Kaigan) [Power: 881 (881); 0 won, 1 lost]
Leyladin Sephya (Kaigan) [Power: 1000 (1000); 0 won, 0 lost]
Ryalyth Lorn'elth (Kaigan) [Power: 1080 (1080); 2 won, 1 lost]
Tanriel (Luni) [Power: 1098 (1098); 2 won, 1 lost]
[A] Syril Heights (MagicChoco) [Power: 1000 (1000); 0 won, 0 lost]
Sunstroke Reborn (MindWandererB) [Power: 1007 (1007); 2 won, 2 lost]
Lucifer (mucki) [Power: 1073 (1073); 2 won, 1 lost]
Calidor Tyrbelel (Nabuchadnezzar) [Power: 1181 (1181); 2 won, 0 lost]
Thunderim o'Gunarr (Nabuchadnezzar) [Power: 872 (872); 0 won, 1 lost]
SkorTikk Moon Spider (Rauul) [Power: 901 (901); 0 won, 1 lost]
Wolf-Claw (Rauul) [Power: 788 (788); 0 won, 2 lost]
Ivellios Marrow (Sjiggie) [Power: 888 (888); 0 won, 1 lost]
S'lertak Ssilva (TelinArtho) [Power: 823 (823); 1 won, 4 lost]
Jog Stonebreaker (Thaylen) [Power: 1171 (1171); 2 won, 0 lost]
Mekhoar (tunagolem) [Power: 921 (921); 1 won, 2 lost]
Kii no Tamashii (Vathelokai) [Power: 1000 (1000); 0 won, 0 lost]
Tweak II (Vathelokai) [Power: 914 (914); 0 won, 1 lost]


LEVEL 4 CHARACTERS (LOW)
[A] Petyr Darry (Callix) [Power: 1310 (927); 4 won, 4 lost]
[Q] Eland (CrazyArtificer) [Power: 1228 (869); 2 won, 4 lost]
[A] Uranedal (CrazyArtificer) [Power: 1801 (1274); 3 won, 0 lost] [Q:1]
[A] Soren (Dr. Funk) [Power: 1643 (1162); 3 won, 1 lost]
[Q] Morro Earthshaker (dulsi) [Power: 1856 (1313); 6 won, 1 lost]
[A] Undurion (Durzulgor) [Power: 1243 (879); 3 won, 4 lost]
Eámanë Oronrá (Eamane) [Power: 1626 (1150); 3 won, 2 lost][Q:1]
Kykal Aiba (Eamane) [Power: 1880 (1330); 4 won, 0 lost]
Tzimosica (Eamane) [Power: 1576 (1115); 2 won, 1 lost]
Xuan Sunai (Eamane) [Power: 1928 (1364); 4 won, 0 lost]
Lord Matsuni (Macbrea) [Power: 1600 (1132); 4 won, 2 lost]
Nemion (Nurlithion) [Power: 1190 (842); 2 won, 4 lost]
Quavein Siannodel (Nurlithion) [Power: 1285 (909); 3 won, 2 lost]
[A] Gortek ChaoSlayer (Rauul) [Power: 855 (605); 3 won, 7 lost] [Failure]
[A] The Hunter (Salrantol) [Power: 1271 (899); 0 won, 1 lost]
[A] Gradak Tumblebelly (Sjiggie) [Power: 1056 (747); 3 won, 6 lost]
Berri the Friendly (TelinArtho) [Power: 892 (631); 1 won, 6 lost] [M:1] [Failure]
Darrgon the Summoner (TelinArtho) [Power: 954 (675); 3 won, 7 lost] [Failure]
Zodiac II (Vathelokai) [Power: 1551 (1097); 3 won, 2 lost]


LEVEL 5 CHARACTERS (LOW)
Rennae Longhollow (Callix) [Power: 1962 (981); 5 won, 7 lost]
Rolf (Dr. Funk) [Power: 1476 (738); 5 won, 7 lost]
[P] Vivi (Dr. Funk) [Power: 1372 (686); 4 won, 8 lost] [Failure]
Mohmat Iptomor (Eluria) [Power: 1610 (805); 7 won, 8 lost]
Wroth Korthek (Eluria) [Power: 1694 (847); 2 won, 5 lost]
[A] Altair (Hirumajoe) [Power: 2514 (1257); 7 won, 3 lost]
[X] Kai Engel (Hirumajoe) [Power: 1652 (826); 5 won, 10 lost]
[A] Korwald Barandar (lonewolf) [Power: 2004 (1002); 6 won, 7 lost]
Marius (McJarvis) [Power: 2844 (1422); 8 won, 1 lost]
Thorell Runesmith (McJarvis) [Power: 2770 (1385); 8 won, 4 lost]
Ackbar Stormsword (Taureus_Drakken) [Power: 2010 (1005); 4 won, 4 lost] [Q:1]
Dentik Earthmolder (TelinArtho) [Power: 1806 (903); 4 won, 6 lost] [Q:1]
Ialgo (TelinArtho) [Power: 1784 (892); 5 won, 4 lost] [Q:1]
[X] Vallgar the Unhinged (TelinArtho) [Power: 1804 (902); 4 won, 5 lost] [Q:1]
[X] Snaga (The Dread Dormammu) [Power: 719 (359); 1 won, 10 lost][Q:2] [Failure]
[A] Mineau Guwango (Turanson) [Power: 1208 (604); 5 won, 11 lost] [Failure]
Kusari-Gama (Vathelokai) [Power: 2000 (1000); 0 won, 0 lost]
Remnant (Vathelokai) [Power: 1648 (824); 0 won, 2 lost]
Unholy Ninja (Vathelokai) [Power: 3144 (1572); 8 won, 1 lost] [Great Renown]
[A] Lelenia Rovan (whitebaron) [Power: 2164 (1082); 4 won, 3 lost]


LEVEL 6 CHARACTERS (LOW)
[A] Ralein Dreamstriker (Callix) [Power: 2571 (909); 6 won, 7 lost]
[A] Durzulgor I (Durzulgor) [Power: 4193 (1483); 9 won, 2 lost]
Graashnak Vruuurk (Rauul) [Power: 1722 (609); 5 won, 15 lost] [M:1] [Failure]
The shadow (Rauul) [Power: 2938 (1039); 6 won, 7 lost] [Q:3]
Meinrad the Many-Fisted (Salrantol) [Power: 2559 (905); 9 won, 9 lost]
Valanthe Valassar (Sjiggie) [Power: 2395 (847); 2 won, 5 lost] [Q:4]
Farig of Denth (TelinArtho) [Power: 2426 (858); 8 won, 9 lost]
Gwerdan Grummler (whitebaron) [Power: 2186 (773); 9 won, 9 lost]
[A] Verren FireStarter (whitebaron) [Power: 3009 (1064); 7 won, 9 lost]


LEVEL 7 CHARACTERS (MID)
Balthazar Picsou (hogarth) [Power: 2676 (669); 5 won, 14 lost] [Q:1] [Special Power] [Failure]
Yorick (Macbrea) [Power: 3216 (804); 3 won, 7 lost] [Q:1][M:1]
Flutterthought (MindWandererB) [Power: 5732 (1433); 8 won, 3 lost] [Special Power]
Maya Redwine (MindWandererB) [Power: 6308 (1577); 16 won, 6 lost] [Q:1] [Great Renown]
Felice tu'Ria (Salrantol) [Power: 5488 (1372); 13 won, 5 lost]
[A] Kilor Mintolo (Salrantol) [Power: 3448 (862); 2 won, 3 lost]
Lady Liara (templer10) [Power: 5464 (1366); 10 won, 5 lost]
[A] The Dark One (templer10) [Power: 4788 (1197); 3 won, 2 lost]
Inzin Dar'ath (waywreth) [Power: 5608 (1402); 12 won, 4 lost]
Mithos Durrol (Zevox) [Power: 4128 (1032); 10 won, 9 lost] [Q:3]


LEVEL 8 CHARACTERS (MID)
Erithmu Darkmane (Erithmu) [Power: 5079 (898); 3 won, 6 lost] [Q:4]
Gakhnalak Strongjaw (MindWandererB) [Power: 7314 (1293); 15 won, 8 lost, 1 draw] [Q:1]
[E] Enoch the Prophet (Salrantol) [Power: 6075 (1074); 13 won, 11 lost] [Q:3]
[P] Antalya (Vathelokai) [Power: 4632 (819); 2 won, 4 lost] [Q:3] [UnCon Bronze]
[A] Thiel's Loyal Retainers (Erithmu|SauroGrenom) [Power: 6465 (1143); 1 won, 0 lost]
Terlyn Nicous (Erithmu) [Power: 2828 (1000); 0 won, 0 lost]
Sir Lordrum (SauroGrenom) [Power: 2828 (1000); 0 won, 0 lost]
[A] Bulgar Stronghammer (TelinArtho) [Power: 4423 (782); 6 won, 11 lost] [Q:5]
[E] The Eternal Dreamless Sleep (hogarth|templer10) [Power: 6839 (1209); 6 won, 4 lost] [Q:1]
Snake-Eyes Stormshadow (hogarth) [Power: 2828 (1000); 0 won, 0 lost]
The merciful killer (templer10) [Power: 2828 (1000); 0 won, 0 lost]


LEVEL 9 CHARACTERS (MID)
[A] Darian Thorne (lonewolf) [Power: 13856 (1732); 18 won, 4 lost] [Great Renown]
Izumi (Macbrea) [Power: 3504 (438); 11 won, 25 lost] [Failure]
Relanex Thines (Macbrea) [Power: 7448 (931); 6 won, 10 lost]
Monsieur Hood (TheMagister) [Power: 12816 (1602); 15 won, 6 lost] [Q:3] [Great Renown]
[Q] Aquin (TelinArtho) [Power: 6288 (786); 1 won, 4 lost] [Special Power]
Wiener Wadlbeisser (lonewolf|whitebaron|mucki) [Power: 11592 (1449); 7 won, 4 lost] [Q:1]
Falko (lonewolf) [Power: 2828 (1000); 0 won, 0 lost]
[X] Crucio (whitebaron) [Power: 2828 (1000); 0 won, 0 lost]
Khamul (mucki) [Power: 2828 (1000); 0 won, 0 lost]


LEVEL 10 CHARACTERS (MID)
Torel Silvanus (Erithmu) [Power: 14526 (1284); 15 won, 10 lost] [Q:4]
Lord Frost (Macbrea) [Power: 6018 (532); 3 won, 9 lost] [Q:2] [Special Power] [Failure]
[P] Malik of Black Robe (Malither76) [Power: 8576 (774); 6 won, 8 lost] [Q:3]
[Q] Varjo (Stormwind) [Power: 17049 (1507); 11 won, 5 lost] [Q:2] [Special Power] [Great Renown]
Sir Valkin (TelinArtho) [Power: 13203 (1167); 15 won, 9 lost] [Q:4][C:1]
[A] Arden Tarmik (Zevox) [Power: 15579 (1377); 10 won, 7 lost] [Q:3]


LEVEL 11 CHARACTERS (MID)
Therador Goldscale (lonewolf) [Power: 15504 (969); 4 won, 5 lost] [Special Power]
Aerryl Nalladar (MindWandererB) [Power: 18128 (1133); 19 won, 13 lost] [Q:5]
Kervan Sheharath (MindWandererB) [Power: 15952 (997); 16 won, 22 lost] [Q:2]
[X] Kraegin (TelinArtho) [Power: 14432 (902); 12 won, 20 lost] [Q:3]


LEVEL 12 CHARACTERS (HIGH)
Lemminkäinen (Abyssal Stalker) [Power: 22627 (1000); 0 won, 0 lost] [Q:1][C:1]
Ephraim (Erithmu) [Power: 20342 (899); 0 won, 1 lost] [Q:3] [C:2] [Special Power]
[P] Kitty (lonewolf) [Power: 30772 (1360); 8 won, 2 lost] [Q:2][C:1] [Special Power]
The Chameleon (lonewolf) [Power: 28125 (1308); 9 won, 6 lost] [Q:2]
Baelin the Shadow (Malither76) [Power: 12671 (560); 4 won, 19 lost] [Q:7] [Failure]
Raskos the Jade Father (SauroGrenom) [Power: 18531 (819); 7 won, 10 lost] [Q:6][M:1] [Iron Man Gold]
[P] Elrick Flamebrother (templer10) [Power: 37131 (1641); 24 won, 7 lost] [Q:1] [Great Renown]
Auburn in Twilight (Vathelokai) [Power: 22627 (1000); 0 won, 0 lost] [C:1]
Gaston Dar'ath (waywreth) [Power: 33488 (1480); 25 won, 10 lost] [Q:2]
Archdevil Asran (Zevox) [Power: 32538 (1438); 12 won, 7 lost] [Q:6] [Special Power]


LEVEL 13 CHARACTERS (HIGH)
Jonathon Raven Gravebound (Abyssal Stalker) [Power: 34848 (1089); 2 won, 1 lost] [Q:6][C:1] [Special Power]
[X] Owen Ir'Tolden (Erithmu) [Power: 39104 (1222); 2 won, 0 lost] [Q:1][C:1] [Iron Man Bronze]
Valen Sky (Hirumajoe) [Power: 31776 (993); 22 won, 21 lost] [Q:2]
Kracknol (SauroGrenom) [Power: 26784 (837); 27 won, 22 lost] [M:1][C:1]
Retikos, The Padparadasha Sage (SauroGrenom) [Power: 39776 (1243); 2 won, 0 lost] [Q:1][C:1]
Vandelar the Red (SoulLord) [Power: 44480 (1390); 19 won, 10 lost] [Q:4][C:1]
Sdentch the Angelic (TheMagister) [Power: 32000 (1000); 0 won, 0 lost] [Q:3] C:1] [Special Power]
[A] Istima Telarc (Zevox) [Power: 45376 (1418); 16 won, 7 lost] [Q:3][C:1]


LEVEL 14 CHARACTERS (HIGH)
Samuel Highground (lonewolf) [Power: 77612 (1715); 13 won, 8 lost] [Q:4][M:1] [Special Power] [Great Renown]
Gareth Irontower (Malither76) [Power: 49101 (1085); 8 won, 6 lost] [Q:2][M:1][C:2]
Besthirah Lafali (MindWandererB) [Power: 51137 (1130); 7 won, 5 lost] [Q:1][C:1] [Special Power] [Iron Man Silver]
Longshot (templer10) [Power: 100013 (2210); 24 won, 1 lost] [Great Renown]
Lord Lorian (templer10) [Power: 93270 (2061); 30 won, 6 lost] [Great Renown]


LEVEL 15 CHARACTERS (HIGH)
None.


LEVEL 16 CHARACTERS (HIGH) [FROZEN]
None.


LEVEL 17 CHARACTERS (EPIC) [FROZEN]
[Old] Donkey (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=2722513) (SnarkHunter): 10 won, 13 lost [4°/1b]


LEVEL 18 CHARACTERS (EPIC) [FROZEN]
[Old] Prof. Vandaeris Dre'Dandrahl (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=2726051) (Caterane): 15 won, 4 lost [1b]
[Old] Corinthus Avius (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=2722346) (Druid Roxors): 15 won, 9 lost [1b]
[Old] The Harvester (1st avatar) (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=2726018) (Caterane): 16 won, 4 lost [2m]


LEVEL 19 CHARACTERS (EPIC) [FROZEN]
[Old] Angosh (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=2727690) (Pittbull): 12 won, 19 lost [5b]


LEVEL 20 CHARACTERS (EPIC) [FROZEN]
[Old] The Harvester (2nd avatar) (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=2726039) (Caterane): 18 won, 3 lost [3m] [Champion]


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McJarvis

02-27-08, 03:21 PM		Oh dear...sorry about that Telin. I'll work on the weekly news as soon as I get home from work. I just got in touch with some old professors of mine from my undergrad(I'm applying to grad schools) & in the excitement I completely forgot about CoCo...I didn't even set thorell to crafting duty. O_O
TelinArtho

02-27-08, 04:01 PM		No problem dude - it happens.

Okay - pairings should be done. As always - watch the pairings post in the battles thread when I do the pairings. Also - be aware that they may change (though I usually provide notice in this thread - so if you read this far - keep reading...)

Credits:

CrazyArtificer A-1 F2
dulsi F1
Erithmu F1 A1
Hirumajoe F1
Huan Q2 F1
McJarvis F2
Rauul F1
Sjiggie F1
Stormwind Q3
TelinArtho A-2 F1 A2
templer10 F1
Turanson F1
whitebaron A-1 F2
whitebaron

02-27-08, 04:04 PM		first problem i see: durzulgor leveled.
Sjiggie

02-27-08, 04:05 PM		Found a small problem in the pairings:

Thiel's Loyal Retainers (Erithmu|SauroGrenom) vs. Bulgar Stronghammer (TelinArtho) : Erithmu
Zevox

02-27-08, 04:07 PM		Ouch, two monster fights in one week...

...hey Telin, don't suppose theres any chance Arden could get an inter-league against one of those two ECL 8 matches going on instead, is there?

Zevox
Erithmu

02-27-08, 04:08 PM		Found a small problem in the pairings:

Thiel's Loyal Retainers (Erithmu|SauroGrenom) vs. Bulgar Stronghammer (TelinArtho) : Erithmu
@Erithmu: Tactics for TLR sent

@Erithmu: Tactics for TLR received

@Telin: Just waiting on you :P
Erithmu

02-27-08, 04:09 PM		Ouch, two monster fights in one week...

...hey Telin, don't suppose theres any chance Arden could get an inter-league against one of those two ECL 8 matches going on instead, is there?

ZevoxOne of those is a hold over ... the other ...well puts 6 people on the map not counting mounts. You might have to talk someone into that one.
TelinArtho

02-27-08, 04:11 PM		Bah - figures.


Thiel's Loyal Retainers (Erithmu|SauroGrenom) vs. Bulgar Stronghammer (TelinArtho) : Hirumajoe [Plains]

Darian Thorne (lonewolf) vs. Unknown Monster : Eirthmu [Forest]


@Zevox - I gave you a chance on it - but the roller came up with monster fight.
TelinArtho

02-27-08, 04:14 PM		Lelenia Rovan (whitebaron) vs. Mineau Guwango (Turanson) : Rauul [Arena]

Unknown Monster vs. Durzulgor I (Durzulgor) : templer10 [Temple]
whitebaron

02-27-08, 04:20 PM		Lelenia Rovan (whitebaron) vs. Mineau Guwango (Turanson) : Rauul [Arena]

Unknown Monster vs. Durzulgor I (Durzulgor) : templer10 [Temple]


double yeah!
verren does not have to fight the alpha-strike abomination again, and lelenia got another target to talk to death instead of a dumb monster! :)
Zevox

02-27-08, 04:22 PM		Ah well, monster fight it is then. At least Arden got a good map for it (well, for him anyway, probably not for the pitlord). With Istima I'm going to have to hope gets a foe that'll want to buff or that he can mop up fairly simply, because the Cavern is one of his least favorite maps.

Zevox
TelinArtho

02-27-08, 04:25 PM		Ah well, monster fight it is then. At least Arden got a good map for it (well, for him anyway, probably not for the pitlord). With Istima I'm going to have to hope gets a foe that'll want to buff or that he can mop up fairly simply, because the Cavern is one of his least favorite maps.

Zevox

Sorry to hear that about Istima...

2 Elder Xorns.
lonewolf

02-27-08, 04:30 PM		@CrazyArtificer: tactics for Korwald are away.
I need more characters where tactics are so easy to write...;)

@Rith: waiting for monster info for Darian
whitebaron

02-27-08, 04:36 PM		Monster Info for Syril Heights:
2 medium fiendish animals.

hint: if you look through the monster list, there's really only one option what it can be.
TelinArtho

02-27-08, 04:37 PM		Can someone with access to the actual DMG give me confirmation that Sir Lordrum's special mount is correct?

What I see is a level 6 paladin with a Dire Wolf that has been increase 2HD (as a level 6 paladin with a heavy warhorse). I guess I would expect that using the dire wolf would require some penalty to the levels (like the Druid using a better animal companion).

If I am just wrong - let me know - thanks.
Erithmu

02-27-08, 04:37 PM		@Lonewolf: Large Giant
lonewolf

02-27-08, 04:47 PM		@Lonewolf: Large Giant

Just to be sure: It doesnt have the psionic subtype(Darian should notice that). Im trying to rule out the Ettin Psywarrior.
Turanson

02-27-08, 05:04 PM		@Durzulgor: Large quadruped monster
lonewolf

02-27-08, 05:11 PM		@Rith: Darians tactics are away. Even if it is the Ettin, the tactics should work well enough.
templer10

02-27-08, 05:15 PM		ZEVOX - monster knowladge for arden is 2 Female medium bipeds - nothing relevant.

Durgulzor - no relevent knowledge, 1 flying small monster, bipedal medium creater which can also fly - iam smelling an autoloss here...
Erithmu

02-27-08, 05:23 PM		@Rith: Darians tactics are away. Even if it is the Ettin, the tactics should work well enough.
It isn't .. your knowledge check was one off of getting the Frost Giant that it is.
Zevox

02-27-08, 05:42 PM		Sorry to hear that about Istima...

2 Elder Xorns.
Hm, actually, thats a pretty good match for Istima. A couple of buffs for rudimentary defense and readying a single power will likely do the trick. With no treasure for equipment, they really can't do anything about it, either. The only complication is that the arena lets them sneak up on me so easily.

ZEVOX - monster knowladge for arden is 2 Female medium bipeds - nothing relevant.
Figured as much. Gonna be tough to narrow it down, but at least Arden has all the buff time I could ask for.

Zevox
TelinArtho

02-27-08, 05:42 PM		Can someone with access to the actual DMG give me confirmation that Sir Lordrum's special mount is correct?

What I see is a level 6 paladin with a Dire Wolf that has been increase 2HD (as a level 6 paladin with a heavy warhorse). I guess I would expect that using the dire wolf would require some penalty to the levels (like the Druid using a better animal companion).

If I am just wrong - let me know - thanks.

Bump - anyone?
Zevox

02-27-08, 05:47 PM		Bump - anyone?
Dire Wolf Paladin mount at level 6 is in the 3.5 DMG (page 204). For the purposes of special abilities, they're treated as though level 6 were the first level on the Paladin list (so they won't get the next HD/str/etc bump until level 9 rather than level 8). Just like the Druid, except less drastic level disparity.

Zevox
TelinArtho

02-27-08, 05:59 PM		Ah ok - still seems like a pretty significant boost over the regular warhorse, but meh. I guess we'll see how much of a difference it makes in the fight.
McJarvis

02-27-08, 06:06 PM		Ah ok - still seems like a pretty significant boost over the regular warhorse, but meh. I guess we'll see how much of a difference it makes in the fight.

I dunno- I think I might have preferred to take the dire bat from that list :-O

Speaking of which, if you aren't familiar with the list, telin- Sir V qualifies for the dire bat(6), hippogriff(6), pegasus(7), and griffon(8) in terms of flying special mounts(level of paladin required).
Zevox

02-27-08, 06:11 PM		I dunno- I think I might have preferred to take the dire bat from that list :-O
I'd go with a Hippogriff myself. Those things are pretty dang good mounts at ECL 6 as-is, but with +2 HD and AC/str/etc boosts, they'd be beastly. And personally I think the Unicorn would've made a better non-flying mount than the Dire Wolf. Similar hp and attack/damage, better AC and speed, plus healing SLAs and free circle of protection from evil.

Zevox
Zevox

02-27-08, 06:26 PM		@ Telin - Just to make sure, those Xorns do have to the leave the ground/make themselves visible to those outside of it to attack, right?

Zevox
Durzulgor

02-27-08, 07:11 PM		@Durzulgor: Large quadruped monster

hmmm, strange, Undurion has at least +9 in every relevant (and the occasional irrelevant) knowledge skill and that is not enough to get more info?


Knowledge (Arcana): +14 [8 Int, 6 Ranks (6 Wizard)]
Knowledge (Dungeoneering): +11 [8 Int, 3 Ranks (3 Wizard)]
Knowledge (Geography): +9 [8 Int, 1 Ranks (1 Wizard)]
Knowledge (History): +9 [8 Int, 1 Ranks (1 Wizard)]
Knowledge (Local): +9 [8 Int, 1 Ranks (1 Wizard)]
Knowledge (Nature): +9 [8 Int, 1 Ranks (1 Wizard)]
Knowledge (Nobility & Royalty): +15 [8 Int, 7 Ranks (6 Wizard, 1 Psion)]
Knowledge (Psionics): +13 [8 Int, 5 Ranks (1 Wizard)]
Knowledge (Religion): +9 [8 Int, 1 Ranks (1 Wizard)]
Knowledge (The Planes): +9 [8 Int, 1 Ranks (1 Wizard)]



Durgulzor - no relevent knowledge, 1 flying small monster, bipedal medium creater which can also fly - iam smelling an autoloss here...

Ooook, the only thing that roughly matches THAT description is a half dragon pixie with irresistable dance! Doh! I just ran fresh out of see invis scrolls -.-
Well, I'll have to do without! Le's go pixie hunting!
CrazyArtificer

02-27-08, 07:30 PM		I forgot to change Uranedal memorized spells list.. it was done for the Quest, so It has a lot of spell slots open and doesn't reflect the new spells scribed in the spellbook.

Is it possible to change that?
Rauul

02-27-08, 07:57 PM		@Sjiggie Tactics for Gortek sent... here to hoping he gets rid of the Failure tag
TelinArtho

02-27-08, 08:52 PM		@ Telin - Just to make sure, those Xorns do have to the leave the ground/make themselves visible to those outside of it to attack, right?

Zevox

Well - they could attack from total cover of the ground - but you would also gain the total cover. In both cases - I think you both would have total concealment as well (since they'd be attacking via tremorsense - you'd be attacking via knowing a square where they attacked from).

That said - I'm not that evil with earth creatures. You should expect them to get cover though :)
Zevox

02-27-08, 08:56 PM		Well - they could attack from total cover of the ground - but you would also gain the total cover. In both cases - I think you both would have total concealment as well (since they'd be attacking via tremorsense - you'd be attacking via knowing a square where they attacked from).

That said - I'm not that evil with earth creatures. You should expect them to get cover though :)
Good to know. I had a way to force them to show themselves, but it entailed using a 700 gp expendable, so I'd rather not do that unless absolutely necessary. And I'm not worried about cover, since it won't matter with my plan.

Edit: Tactics PMed. Shortest non-surrender tactics I've ever written.

Zevox
templer10

02-28-08, 02:00 AM		Ooook, the only thing that roughly matches THAT description is a half dragon pixie with irresistable dance! Doh! I just ran fresh out of see invis scrolls -.-
Well, I'll have to do without! Le's go pixie hunting!

I think you failed to understand me - it is 2 monsters - 1 is small flying (winged) monster, one is medium bipedal monster that can fly.
Callix

02-28-08, 02:56 AM		MWB, I'm sorry to mess up the pairings, but Ralein didn't level last week. He has 13700 XP, 1300 short of level 6. This is likely to mess up a lot of the roster, and I'd be willing to fight Verren as it stands, since his HP is equal to my max damage, and I hit him on a 3. But the rewards would be messy for the pitlord, and it's an odd precedent.

To explain the sudden changes, Ralein finished his cycle and went shopping for Gloves of Dexterity, which added to a lot of his level-dependant stats.
Turanson

02-28-08, 03:20 AM		hmmm, strange, Undurion has at least +9 in every relevant (and the occasional irrelevant) knowledge skill and that is not enough to get more info?


Knowledge (Arcana): +14 [8 Int, 6 Ranks (6 Wizard)]
Knowledge (Dungeoneering): +11 [8 Int, 3 Ranks (3 Wizard)]
Knowledge (Geography): +9 [8 Int, 1 Ranks (1 Wizard)]
Knowledge (History): +9 [8 Int, 1 Ranks (1 Wizard)]
Knowledge (Local): +9 [8 Int, 1 Ranks (1 Wizard)]
Knowledge (Nature): +9 [8 Int, 1 Ranks (1 Wizard)]
Knowledge (Nobility & Royalty): +15 [8 Int, 7 Ranks (6 Wizard, 1 Psion)]
Knowledge (Psionics): +13 [8 Int, 5 Ranks (1 Wizard)]
Knowledge (Religion): +9 [8 Int, 1 Ranks (1 Wizard)]
Knowledge (The Planes): +9 [8 Int, 1 Ranks (1 Wizard)]




Ooook, the only thing that roughly matches THAT description is a half dragon pixie with irresistable dance! Doh! I just ran fresh out of see invis scrolls -.-
Well, I'll have to do without! Le's go pixie hunting!

my bad was looking at Uranedal:confused: sorry

monster info: one OTYUGH
CrazyArtificer

02-28-08, 04:41 AM		@wb: tactics for Varuxor sent.
Durzulgor

02-28-08, 05:56 AM		I think you failed to understand me - it is 2 monsters - 1 is small flying (winged) monster, one is medium bipedal monster that can fly.

Oh! That changes things! *starting process of elimination again*

Oho! 82 1 Janni and 1 Wyrmling Silver Dragon [CR 4] [CR 4]!
Why do you say that's an auto-loss? I've got enlarge! => I'm 10' tall with 10' reach! They cannot get out of my range! ;-)

edit2: I've got the outmaneuver package. If you'd be so kind, please tell me if I can use it and how many points I've got left of it.

@Turanson: thanks!
lonewolf

02-28-08, 07:23 AM		edit2: I've got the outmaneuver package. If you'd be so kind, please tell me if I can use it and how many points I've got left of it.

Attack/Defense skill packages only work on normal 1vs1 fights...
Durzulgor

02-28-08, 08:03 AM		Attack/Defense skill packages only work on normal 1vs1 fights...

So against a half-dragon pixie I'd get it, but against those two, where I could really make good use of it I don't? Damn it! *killing of my tactics again* I think I'll write them tomorrow -.-
McJarvis

02-28-08, 08:35 AM		So against a half-dragon pixie I'd get it, but against those two, where I could really make good use of it I don't? Damn it! *killing of my tactics again* I think I'll write them tomorrow -.-

No. Monster fights are never considered 1v1 fights.
TelinArtho

02-28-08, 10:05 AM		MWB, I'm sorry to mess up the pairings, but Ralein didn't level last week. He has 13700 XP, 1300 short of level 6. This is likely to mess up a lot of the roster, and I'd be willing to fight Verren as it stands, since his HP is equal to my max damage, and I hit him on a 3. But the rewards would be messy for the pitlord, and it's an odd precedent.

To explain the sudden changes, Ralein finished his cycle and went shopping for Gloves of Dexterity, which added to a lot of his level-dependant stats.

Well - it was Telin who did the pairings - but MWB was the one who moved you up an ECL. In any case - it does indeed change things around a bit. @dulsi, whitebaron, durzulgor and templer10 - please note this change:


Ralein Dreamstriker (Callix) vs. Unknown Monster : dulsi [Temple]
Verren FireStarter (whitebaron) vs. Durzulgor I (Durzulgor) : templer10 [Temple]


Ralein is ECL5
whitebaron

02-28-08, 10:11 AM		Well - it was Telin who did the pairings - but MWB was the one who moved you up an ECL. In any case - it does indeed change things around a bit. @dulsi, whitebaron, durzulgor and templer10 - please note this change:


Ralein Dreamstriker (Callix) vs. Unknown Monster : dulsi [Temple]
Verren FireStarter (whitebaron) vs. Durzulgor I (Durzulgor) : templer10 [Temple]


Ralein is ECL5
:doh:
i already had my tactics done(but not sent), durz already tried to make up his mind, templer rolled a monster... seems strange to change that now...
TelinArtho

02-28-08, 10:13 AM		If I had the extra pitlord to give an extra fight - I might've done that - but this is the cleanest option I have. Interleague is an option - but that would be up to you and Callix. If that is desired - decide quick and PM all involved. I'll be away for a bit.
dulsi

02-28-08, 10:29 AM		@Callix: 2 small monsters for monster info.
templer10

02-28-08, 12:07 PM		If I had the extra pitlord to give an extra fight - I might've done that - but this is the cleanest option I have. Interleague is an option - but that would be up to you and Callix. If that is desired - decide quick and PM all involved. I'll be away for a bit.

I dont mind doing the new fight - i dont like running monster fights.
Durzulgor

02-28-08, 12:54 PM		*gg* WB just doesn't want to fight Durz! ;-)
Salrantol

02-28-08, 06:44 PM		@McJarvis: Tactics for the Hunter in the team fight sent.

On a "trivia" level, does anybody know what the first team fight in CoCo history was?
Erithmu

02-28-08, 06:48 PM		@Hiruma: Tactics for TLR out
Sjiggie

02-28-08, 07:11 PM		@McJarvis: Tactics for the Hunter in the team fight sent.

On a "trivia" level, does anybody know what the first team fight in CoCo history was?
I sure don't know what the first team fight was. That is way before my time.

Callix should have sent Gradak's and Petyr's Tactics for the team fight as well.
McJarvis

02-28-08, 08:47 PM		@McJarvis: Tactics for the Hunter in the team fight sent.

On a "trivia" level, does anybody know what the first team fight in CoCo history was?

Sometime after I first joined, I'm pretty sure :)
Zevox

02-28-08, 08:59 PM		@ templer10 - Tactics for Arden are away. Managed to narrow it down to three possibilities, with one that seemed most likely. Fortunately theres not much variation in tactics for dealing with them. Heres hoping.

Zevox
Turanson

02-29-08, 08:47 AM		Undurion vs. OTYUGH is up

any comment please post them.
lonewolf

02-29-08, 09:25 AM		Undurion vs. OTYUGH is up

any comment please post them.

That potion of invisibility shouldnt work for an Otyugh...
TelinArtho

02-29-08, 09:44 AM		That potion of invisibility shouldnt work for an Otyugh...

Care to provide some insight into why?
lonewolf

02-29-08, 09:59 AM		Care to provide some insight into why?

the same reason a dragon should not be able to wield weapons. It has neither the intelliegence nor the manual dexterity to open and drink a potion of any kind.
TelinArtho

02-29-08, 10:05 AM		Tentacles tend to be pretty manipulative and dextrous appendages - so I wouldn't put that outside of its ability. As for intelligence - its not animal intelligence - so I don't see why.
TelinArtho

02-29-08, 10:33 AM		Istima Telarc (Zevox) vs 2 Advanced (21HD) Elder Xorns (Unknown Monster) is up.
whitebaron

02-29-08, 01:20 PM		@t10: tactics for verren vs. durz
and
@rauul: tactics for lelenia vs. mineau
have been sent.
Zevox

02-29-08, 01:56 PM		Istima Telarc (Zevox) vs 2 Advanced (21HD) Elder Xorns (Unknown Monster) is up.
Aw crap, I hadn't noticed they had Power Attack. That reduces the time I could survive there significantly. But its not like I could do anything about it I suppose, and that crit was really what sealed it. Oh well, thanks for the run. At least I still had some spare pp to carry over to my next match.

Zevox
Sjiggie

02-29-08, 07:09 PM		Soren surrenders (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=15225277&postcount=1782) because of no tactics received and no default tactics.

Gortek's tactics will be edited in later in the case Dr.Funk can still produce some tactics and maybe I'll accept them and run the fight but don't count on it.

Sjiggie
templer10

03-01-08, 08:39 AM		durgulzur vs verren is up (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=15228699&postcount=1783).
Hirumajoe

03-01-08, 02:26 PM		@CrazyArtificer: Thanks very much for the run.

Just a note however, Power Resistance doesn't affect crystal shard. So in round 4 the crystal shard should have hit and done damage (the next damage roll of 10 rolled in round 17). This should save Altair a few charges.



Crystal Shard
Metacreativity (Creation)
Level: Psion/wilder 1
Display: Auditory and material
Manifesting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Effect: Ray
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: None
Power Resistance: No
Power Points: 1
CrazyArtificer

03-01-08, 02:55 PM		@CrazyArtificer: Thanks very much for the run.

Just a note however, Power Resistance doesn't affect crystal shard. So in round 4 the crystal shard should have hit and done damage (the next damage roll of 10 rolled in round 17). This should save Altair a few charges.



Right, I missed that.
However Korwald would Ride for cover, so I would move up those 2 rolls and roll another ride check in round 14
CrazyArtificer

03-01-08, 03:07 PM		Question:
Can a Blinded character cast Dispel Psionic on himself? (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=15231064&postcount=12)
I'd say no, as he lacks Line of Effect.
lonewolf

03-01-08, 03:14 PM		Question:
Can a Blinded character cast Dispel Psionic on himself? (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=15231064&postcount=12)
I'd say no, as he lacks Line of Effect.

He most certainly doesnt lack line of effect, but he lacks line of sight(big difference there). And you dont always need line of sight to target something. You still know exactly where you are so targeting yourself should be allowed.
CrazyArtificer

03-01-08, 03:21 PM		He most certainly doesnt lack line of effect, but he lacks line of sight(big difference there). And you dont always need line of sight to target something. You still know exactly where you are so targeting yourself should be allowed.

Seems you are right.

AIMING A SPELL

You must make some choice about whom the spell is to affect or where the effect is to originate, depending on the type of spell. The next entry in a spell description defines the spell’s target (or targets), its effect, or its area, as appropriate.

Target or Targets: Some spells have a target or targets. You cast these spells on creatures or objects, as defined by the spell itself. You must be able to see or touch the target, and you must specifically choose that target. You do not have to select your target until you finish casting the spell.
whitebaron

03-01-08, 06:09 PM		durgulzur vs verren is up (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=15228699&postcount=1783).

@t10: ????

1) why did verren jump down to the center without any spotted opponent? that's clearly against everything i was asking for... i was waiting - he should come to me - i never asked to move before he comes close, which was a given.

2) it was true strikes+arrows before OR scorching rays after he closes in a second time. its clearly no use to improve touch attacks even further with true strikes (this is ridiculous!)

also, all scorching rays would be already +8 (due to pbs), and +1 damage.
CrazyArtificer

03-02-08, 06:37 AM		Revised Altair vs Korwald (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=15229166&postcount=1784) is up
templer10

03-02-08, 06:58 AM		@t10: ????

1) why did verren jump down to the center without any spotted opponent? that's clearly against everything i was asking for... i was waiting - he should come to me - i never asked to move before he comes close, which was a given.

2) it was true strikes+arrows before OR scorching rays after he closes in a second time. its clearly no use to improve touch attacks even further with true strikes (this is ridiculous!)

also, all scorching rays would be already +8 (due to pbs), and +1 damage.

Going from memory here - but if i recall correcly - you wanted to look For him but at the same time you ddint want to get 2 Near to him - You saw him going towards the columns and then disappear - and you couldnt spot him from where you were - i could have gone over the edge south and east to spot him but that would hav ebrough you closer to him and pretty certinly into chareg range at some point, so the only way to spot him which were more or less per your tactics was going down.

About true Strike - i might have misunderstood on it - i can alter the first to be true strike + Psi shot and the rest scorching rays - i dont think it will actually matter since durgulzur ends the fight on close to 40 HP.

Note - originally i also forgot to have you refocus between shots (full round action for you) and 50% chance - an Edit will have to do that also.
whitebaron

03-02-08, 07:20 AM		Going from memory here - but if i recall correcly - you wanted to look For him but at the same time you ddint want to get 2 Near to him [...]

Note - originally i also forgot to have you refocus between shots (full round action for you) and 50% chance - an Edit will have to do that also.
1) i never specified to "go looking" for him. that was the whole point of stepping towards the center to drop down afterwards. i always specify movement if i want to move.
2) durz's buffing cycle is incomplete as well.
3) refocus: yes, indeed. could save me some sls after all or bring him closer to his death. ;)
CrazyArtificer

03-02-08, 07:35 AM		question: as Uranedal will probably level up mid-cycle, can he hire a mercenary anyway?
templer10

03-02-08, 07:35 AM		1) i never specified to "go looking" for him. that was the whole point of stepping towards the center to drop down afterwards. i always specify movement if i want to move.
2) durz's buffing cycle is incomplete as well.
3) refocus: yes, indeed. could save me some sls after all or bring him closer to his death. ;)

Durz's cycle was incomplete since he spesified to go on you when he can do charge or move+attack, About looking - i dont agree - you said "look for durz" - since you dont actually have to DO anything to find him if he's visible from that area if you say look it means Go and look.

at the moment what ill edit (later) is the true strikes out and refocus In.
whitebaron

03-02-08, 07:39 AM		About looking - i dont agree - you said "look for durz" - since you dont actually have to DO anything to find him if he's visible from that area if you say look it means Go and look.


the tactics obviously assumed me to be standing on the edge of that starting square until he closes in. if you want to misunderstand it on purpose, go ahead and resign verren before the fight. :(
TelinArtho

03-02-08, 09:08 AM		I would like to remind everyone to try to understand the other's point of views and keep your tone non-accusatory.

@CA - you can hire a merc for any fight within your 3FC - it doesn't matter if you leveled or not.
CrazyArtificer

03-02-08, 09:11 AM		@CA - you can hire a merc for any fight within your 3FC - it doesn't matter if you leveled or not.
Ok, so there's no restriction for that like with expendables?
I couldn't hire one earlier than level 5, so it's important the leveling thing :D
dulsi

03-02-08, 11:04 AM		Ralein vs. Xorns is up. Unfortunately the poor xorns were unable to win a good meal. They'll be kept malnourished until they start winning.
Hirumajoe

03-02-08, 12:16 PM		@Crazyartificer: Thanks for the corrections and rewards. Dumb question though, why is Altair's crystal shard shot in round 4 a miss? I keep going over the numbers, but they don't seem to make sense to me.

Altair rolls a 13 + 5 = 18.

Korwald's base touch AC is 10 + 1 Dex + 1 Insight = 12.

Korwald successfully rides for cover, gaining a +4 cover bonus to AC.

12 + 4 = 16 < 18. This seems to me it should have hit. Or is there some other penalty I'm failing to take account of?

Not necessary to correct, but I'd just like to know. Thanks again.
CrazyArtificer

03-02-08, 12:24 PM		Well, I've always thought that when someone rides for cover he gets total cover.
I may be wrong, though.
Hirumajoe

03-02-08, 04:15 PM		Oh dear no. That would make riding for cover the most broken free action in the game...


Cover

You can react instantly to drop down and hang alongside your mount, using it as cover. You can’t attack or cast spells while using your mount as cover. If you fail your Ride check, you don’t get the cover benefit. This usage does not take an action.


It doesn't list total cover, just cover. What effectively happens is you use your horse for soft cover, that just happens to be effective against melee attacks.



Creatures, even your enemies, can provide you with cover against ranged attacks, giving you a +4 bonus to AC. However, such soft cover provides no bonus on Reflex saves, nor does soft cover allow you to make a Hide check.




To determine whether your target has cover from your ranged attack, choose a corner of your square. If any line from this corner to any corner of the target’s square passes through a square or border that blocks line of effect or provides cover, or through a square occupied by a creature, the target has cover (+4 to AC).


Edit: Although, does your horse actually provide "cover" or "soft cover". I think I've normally seen at it as "cover", but now that I think about it, soft cover makes more sense. It explicitly says you use the mount for cover. That seems to be the definition of soft cover. If its the full cover, then stealthy characters can hide while mounted anywhere, even on an invisible horse... *Blink, Blink*.
Or use it for a +2 on reflex saves.
whitebaron

03-02-08, 04:47 PM		Orgauth vs. Varuxor
CrazyArtificer

03-02-08, 06:09 PM		Orgauth vs. Varuxor

Eh, unlucky with those saves/damage :)
However, Mind Thrust augmented to 3pp does 3d10 damage, not 3d8.
It may not change much, but still..
CrazyArtificer

03-02-08, 06:12 PM		Oh dear no. That would make riding for cover the most broken free action in the game...


LOL, yes.. that's why I always edited in my TT games that action to provide just Soft Cover :)

Tomorrow I'll edit the fight, but you can edit your sheet with a single charge expenditure and no skate powerstone then.

Korwald will have some more turn undead attempts left as well.
whitebaron

03-02-08, 06:13 PM		Eh, unlucky with those saves/damage :)
However, Mind Thrust augmented to 3pp does 3d10 damage, not 3d8.
It may not change much, but still..

well, i rerolled 3d10. you did lots of damage on the 3d8, so he would be more alive on d10s - won't change now unless you find other things to change.
CrazyArtificer

03-02-08, 06:16 PM		well, i rerolled 3d10. you did lots of damage on the 3d8, so he would be more alive on d10s - won't change now unless you find other things to change.

No, thanks.
Congrats to Orgauth :)

EDIT: now that I think about it.. could the controlled object flank with me in the final attack? That way it should hit (19+2=21) and kill Orgauth

EDIT 2: I had a look at the SRD. It says nothing about not threatening an area when concentrating on a spell, and the power says that the object animates and gets a slam attack. I think it should be able to flank.
Callix

03-03-08, 02:10 AM		Ralein vs. Xorns is up. Unfortunately the poor xorns were unable to win a good meal. They'll be kept malnourished until they start winning.

Thanks for the run. This doesn't change anything, but Ralein redraws his mind blade as a free action, so he can step away, throw, redraw and reset Psychic Strike all in one round. Any rolls that missed in melee would've missed anyway. It's just for future notice.

And after all the roster shenanigans, Ralein finally levels to 6th, so MWB doesn't need to move him back down.
whitebaron

03-03-08, 02:22 AM		EDIT: now that I think about it.. could the controlled object flank with me in the final attack? That way it should hit (19+2=21) and kill Orgauth

EDIT 2: I had a look at the SRD. It says nothing about not threatening an area when concentrating on a spell, and the power says that the object animates and gets a slam attack. I think it should be able to flank.

i see 2 problems with this:

a) it might be able to flank, but the srd says nothing about it's reach, which is a bit problematic in its own right (i assumed reach 0 since you wanted to animate a tiny object, but might be 5 as well) => reach 0 could not flank, reach 5 could. this should go to the courtroom if you want to take on that tactic more often.

b) you'd need to have a weapon drawn to flank, which you did not specify. with a dagger in hand, you'd also have gotten an AoO against Orgauths bat entering your square.
CrazyArtificer

03-03-08, 03:51 AM		i see 2 problems with this:

a) it might be able to flank, but the srd says nothing about it's reach, which is a bit problematic in its own right (i assumed reach 0 since you wanted to animate a tiny object, but might be 5 as well) => reach 0 could not flank, reach 5 could. this should go to the courtroom if you want to take on that tactic more often.

b) you'd need to have a weapon drawn to flank, which you did not specify. with a dagger in hand, you'd also have gotten an AoO against Orgauths bat entering your square.

a) Interesting objection.
I guess I'll take this to the courtroom.

b) Yes, correct.
dulsi

03-03-08, 10:17 AM		Thanks for the run. This doesn't change anything, but Ralein redraws his mind blade as a free action, so he can step away, throw, redraw and reset Psychic Strike all in one round. Any rolls that missed in melee would've missed anyway. It's just for future notice.

I wondered about that but reseting Psychic Strike is a move action. I know you don't actually move but it seems to me you shouldn't be able to take a 5-foot step as well.

Ok. I'll keep that in mind for the future.
Zevox

03-03-08, 10:38 AM		I wondered about that but reseting Psychic Strike is a move action. I know you don't actually move but it seems to me you shouldn't be able to take a 5-foot step as well.
Only actual movement prevents 5' steps, not move actions. You can do as many move actions as you want - draw or sheath an item, mount a horse, reload a crossbow, stand up, etc etc - and still 5' step, you just can't both move through spaces in the normal sense and 5' step in the same round.

Zevox
Erithmu

03-03-08, 10:38 AM		I wondered about that but reseting Psychic Strike is a move action. I know you don't actually move but it seems to me you shouldn't be able to take a 5-foot step as well.
You can take a 5ft step if you don't use your move action to 'move'
Same thing w/ taking a 5ft step and a full attack.
whitebaron

03-03-08, 12:51 PM		@dulsi: if you look at orgauths fight, that's exactly what i had varuxor do once tripped. - stand up, 5ft step away, manifest.
If you move no actual distance in a round (commonly because you have swapped your move for one or more equivalent actions), you can take one 5-foot step either before, during, or after the action.

and, i finally found some remains of move-equivalent actions! ;)
templer10

03-03-08, 02:17 PM		Arden vs monsters is up (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=15245832&postcount=1787)
whitebaron

03-03-08, 02:34 PM		Syril's monster bashing is up
MagicChoco

03-03-08, 10:06 PM		Wow, I completely overestimated the monsters with my faulty assumptions.
I thought they got an additional attack on full-attacks for some reason and that the boar was actually leveled from what was listed in the SRD instead of just being a level 2 monster in it's own right.

Then again, those rolls didn't hurt either.

Eh, live and learn. Better now, than to think that some dragon or something along the way is infinitely stronger than it is and auto-concede. :P
Erithmu

03-04-08, 10:02 AM		Darian vs a Frost Giant

'Mr. Thrane How many Whips does it take to get to the center of a Frost Giant.'

'Lets find out ... one ... two ... three ...' CRUNCH 'Three.'
CrazyArtificer

03-04-08, 10:04 AM		Unexpected real life issues came up this week.

I hope there's one pitlord which can complete this fight (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=15210767&postcount=1) for me.
It's already in round 20, so it shouldn't take long :)

CA
lonewolf

03-04-08, 10:08 AM		Darian vs a Frost Giant

'Mr. Thrane How many Whips does it take to get to the center of a Frost Giant.'

'Lets find out ... one ... two ... three ...' CRUNCH 'Three.'

thanks for running!
lonewolf

03-04-08, 10:24 AM		@CrazyArtificer: I just noticed that the rewards for the Korwald vs Altair fight are wrong. You have missed Korwalds ally penalty from the heavy Warhorse and also his political Career.

thanks for fixing this
Rauul

03-04-08, 12:25 PM		Lelenia Rovan vs. Mineau Guwango is up here (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=15223563&postcount=1781)

A crit decided it... and Pure bad dice rolls
Turanson

03-04-08, 01:14 PM		Hey Rauul

just a couple of questions.

first as I read Lelenia's tatic she readys on spellcasting not rowier.

second Lelenia's tatic has her running away from rowier not shooting at it.

and third in round 5 when Lelenia shoots rowier still has mage armor since he hasn't left mineau and therefor the hit should be a miss.

well i'm presumably wrong on all tree but please tell me why
Rauul

03-04-08, 01:36 PM		Hey Rauul

just a couple of questions.

first as I read Lelenia's tatic she readys on spellcasting not rowier.

second Lelenia's tatic has her running away from rowier not shooting at it.

and third in round 5 when Lelenia shoots rowier still has mage armor since he hasn't left mineau and therefor the hit should be a miss.

well i'm presumably wrong on all tree but please tell me why

I acually had to make a few Judgement calls.. as you never said to use your wand, and she did specify to have her pet attack Rower when he got close, and wanted her per to stay close enough and yet move.. Rower was the danger So i made a Decision to have her Attack Rower when Mineau was out of range ..IF Mineau had been within range (75ft) he would of been the one getting shot at..

Once the Familiar leaves 5ft from the Caster, it looses Shared spells.. Nothing anywhere saids they come back when they get within 5ft again..

I Do follow tactics But i also Adjust them to be practical.. as Situations araise
Turanson

03-04-08, 01:46 PM		ok thanks for the run

I do understand your Judgement calls
only thing and it is just becaus i'm curious :D
when did Rowier leave mineau as I see it happens in round 5 after Lelenia has had his shoot, and if that is right he would still be under mage armor, right ??

ooh now I see the shoot in round 5 was a readied action ok I get it
not another word from me thanks for the run
McJarvis

03-04-08, 02:01 PM		The fight on the plains is done. Ya'll really need to worry less about defense and more about killing your opponents. You can't just assume your opponents will approach you.
Rauul

03-04-08, 02:06 PM		ok thanks for the run

I do understand your Judgement calls
only thing and it is just becaus i'm curious :D
when did Rowier leave mineau as I see it happens in round 5 after Lelenia has had his shoot, and if that is right he would still be under mage armor, right ??

ooh now I see the shoot in round 5 was a readied action ok I get it
not another word from me thanks for the run

Oh if you have problems please tell me.. I will answer them to the best of my Ability... What really lost it for you... was the Miss on Scorching ray.. followed by an instant death Crit on you... your magic missile damage that was going to happen the round you died... was acually crappy Damage also.. But you saved that Spell for your next fight..
Hirumajoe

03-04-08, 02:25 PM		Bulgar vs the Loyal Retainers is up here.
CrazyArtificer

03-04-08, 02:27 PM		The fight on the plains is done. Ya'll really need to worry less about defense and more about killing your opponents. You can't just assume your opponents will approach you.

Thanks for the run.
Here's a quick note on smokesticks (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=14555978&postcount=1884) which may be useful in future fights.
Turanson

03-04-08, 02:31 PM		Oh if you have problems please tell me.. I will answer them to the best of my Ability... What really lost it for you... was the Miss on Scorching ray.. followed by an instant death Crit on you... your magic missile damage that was going to happen the round you died... was acually crappy Damage also.. But you saved that Spell for your next fight..

jep the dice did not love me best roll 5

just one more thing since you ask

the reward section I don' know how you find Lelenias reward
but I think that mineau should get 533 gp for his loss
CrazyArtificer

03-04-08, 02:35 PM		@CrazyArtificer: I just noticed that the rewards for the Korwald vs Altair fight are wrong. You have missed Korwalds ally penalty from the heavy Warhorse and also his political Career.

thanks for fixing this

Forgot it, sorry.
I'll try to fix it ASAP

EDIT: fixed.
McJarvis

03-04-08, 02:35 PM		Thanks for the run.
Here's a quick note on smokesticks (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=14555978&postcount=1884) which may be useful in future fights.

Oh, right- sorry, I did forget to roll checks to see if you'd start suffocating from smoke inhalation :)
Rauul

03-04-08, 02:37 PM		jep the dice did not love me best roll 5

just one more thing since you ask

the reward section I don' know how you find Lelenias reward
but I think that mineau should get 533 gp for his loss

Rewards fixed... and Lelenia's is because of her Package.. and because bags of tricks aren't counted as Followers... (should be IMHO)
Turanson

03-04-08, 02:39 PM		Thanks
CrazyArtificer

03-04-08, 02:44 PM		Oh, right- sorry, I did forget to roll checks to see if you'd start suffocating from smoke inhalation :)

Lol, I don't think that should be the case.. It's an "alchemical" smoke which mimics mist, so it shouldn't cause any side effect except obscuring vision.
Callix

03-04-08, 02:45 PM		The fight on the plains is done. Ya'll really need to worry less about defense and more about killing your opponents. You can't just assume your opponents will approach you.

Thanks for the run.

I'd like to see the rolls somewhere, if that's possible. Otherwise, it seems Peetyr was just too far away from the Hunter to hurt him, and copuldn't outpace a dorje of vigor in melee, which seems fair enough.
McJarvis

03-04-08, 02:45 PM		Lol, I don't think that should be the case.. It's an "alchemical" smoke which mimics mist, so it shouldn't cause any side effect except obscuring vision.

It is smoke all the same, and there are rules for what smoke does to a character :). they are not "mist sticks", after all.
Salrantol

03-04-08, 02:47 PM		The fight on the plains is done. Ya'll really need to worry less about defense and more about killing your opponents. You can't just assume your opponents will approach you.You can if you have twice as much ammunition as they do. ;)
McJarvis

03-04-08, 02:49 PM		Thanks for the run.

I'd like to see the rolls somewhere, if that's possible. Otherwise, it seems Peetyr was just too far away from the Hunter to hurt him, and copuldn't outpace a dorje of vigor in melee, which seems fair enough.

It seems that there are alot of things that were overlooked on both sides. Everyone had the tactics of "wait for him to come within X feet, then do Y" - but no one had an approach path set up. I also go the idea that ya'll thought you'd start in the same starting squares- but I could be wrong on that one.

Most of all, though, was alot of damage rolls that just were not very good. Using a bow while minimized not only gave the rogue a -2 penalty to hit due to not having enough strength to use it, but also reduced that die size down to 1d4- and his rapier's damage to 1d2 (!). Then everyone seemed to want to do pot-shots across the map with massive penalties to hit. I suspect the reason the gun-user was doing well until he ran out of ammo is the lessened distance penalties.

edit-

the rolls may be found here: http://www.hwx.it/wizards.com/dice.php?sid=2373

they get a little sloppy towards the end, but I believe everything is there.
templer10

03-04-08, 02:54 PM		Unexpected real life issues came up this week.

I hope there's one pitlord which can complete this fight (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=15210767&postcount=1) for me.
It's already in round 20, so it shouldn't take long :)

CA

Bump? - there really arent a lot of rounds left in that fight...
CrazyArtificer

03-04-08, 02:56 PM		Bump? - there really arent a lot of rounds left in that fight...

I'll probably run a couple more right now, but tomorrow I'll be unavailable the whole day
Rauul

03-04-08, 03:03 PM		I'll probably run a couple more right now, but tomorrow I'll be unavailable the whole day

Cool saves me from picking it up :)
CrazyArtificer

03-04-08, 03:05 PM		It is smoke all the same, and there are rules for what smoke does to a character :). they are not "mist sticks", after all.

Still, they are a bit diffent from normal smoke, as normal smoke never grants you more than 20% concealment.

BTW, Uranedal can hold breath for over 3 minutes, and 50% concealment rolls should apply on arrows targeting him.
CrazyArtificer

03-04-08, 03:06 PM		Cool saves me from picking it up :)

If you'd want, I'll be happier
McJarvis

03-04-08, 03:42 PM		Still, they are a bit diffent from normal smoke, as normal smoke never grants you more than 20% concealment.

BTW, Uranedal can hold breath for over 3 minutes, and 50% concealment rolls should apply on arrows targeting him.

(as an aside- I find it funny that you think the smoke being _more_ thick will translate to it not causing suffocation ;) )

Well, this isn't fight changing, so I know you're not looking for a re-write- but here's why you don't want one.

The problem with your tactics is you're just not agressive at all. You're waiting for your opponents to come within spell range- but throughout the entire fight they were _never_ in your spell range. You wouldn't have been able to fire your crossbow bolt- and they wouldn't have you as a viable target. On top of this- you can't even aim your spells properly without making listen checks to pinpoint enemies, since the cloud is proving concealment both in AND out. This, by strict reading of your tactics, would leave you sitting in the cloud for the entire fight. As you noted- once three minutes or so are up, you start suffocating. The fight was over 5 minutes(maybe 6? I don't remember), so you're still in that problem. The swarm was a cool idea- but you had no backup plan for if it failed, really.

On the other hand, if I were to hit you with a delay penalty, that would just mean "dispelling" the smoke. now we're back at where the fight stands now. I say all this not to be hurtful- but to encourage you to have some ideas floating around on how you're going to actively get your opponent in spell range. Waiting around doesn't always work- and in this case, it was to the detriment of everyone since it wore off everyone's buffs.
Rauul

03-04-08, 03:59 PM		If you'd want, I'll be happier

5 inchs of fresh snow... means i need to go plow driveways tonight... will check and see whats needs to be done if i am not exhausted from 28 drives ways 3 parking lots in 2 villages..
CrazyArtificer

03-04-08, 04:10 PM		The fight was over 5 minutes(maybe 6? I don't remember), so you're still in that problem. The swarm was a cool idea- but you had no backup plan for if it failed, really.

I say all this not to be hurtful- but to encourage you to have some ideas floating around on how you're going to actively get your opponent in spell range. Waiting around doesn't always work- and in this case, it was to the detriment of everyone since it wore off everyone's buffs.

The problem is that I simply failed to edit Uranedal's memorized spell list and I really hadn't any suitable spell for attacking. (unless suiciding by going melee with a rogue)

What I wanted to clarify is how sticks works for future fights, as Uranedal really likes alchemical things :)

So, keeping talking in general, one can avoid the drawbacks by
1) To avoid Listen checks to pinpoint: Stepping close to the edge of the smoke when needed to hit, as concealment is "lighter"
2) To avoid suffocating: Stepping out of the fog, possibly on the side opposite to the enemy, take a deep breath, and reenter it.
McJarvis

03-04-08, 04:18 PM		The problem is that I simply failed to edit Uranedal's memorized spell list and I really hadn't any suitable spell for attacking. (unless suiciding by going melee with a rogue)

What I wanted to clarify is how sticks works for future fights, as Uranedal really likes alchemical things :)

So, keeping talking in general, one can avoid the drawbacks by
1) To avoid Listen checks to pinpoint: Stepping close to the edge of the smoke when needed to hit, as concealment is "lighter"
2) To avoid suffocating: Stepping out of the fog, possibly on the side opposite to the enemy, take a deep breath, and reenter it.

Honestly? I think the following would have been better for you:

1) Running towards them for one round to try and close some distance.
2) Still using smoke sticks, but going for 20% concealment.
3) getting a scroll of cat's grace or something if you really think you're going to get into archery battles.

Also note that the smokesticks negate sneak attack completely, so you didn't need to fear the rogue as much as the gun-weilder with psionic shot.

But even better would be getting high mobility(mount spell, expeditious retreat, or fly eventually) & actually using your SoD spells & direct damage. Things like crossbows should be for after you run out of spells- not to soften an enemy before the spells ;)
Turanson

03-04-08, 04:20 PM		Rauul

I just updated mineau and saw that you(I) missed a mage armor in the reward section
TelinArtho

03-04-08, 04:25 PM		5 inchs of fresh snow... means i need to go plow driveways tonight... will check and see whats needs to be done if i am not exhausted from 28 drives ways 3 parking lots in 2 villages..

You should change your location then... no one's going to believe 5 inches of snow in Orlando...
Rauul

03-04-08, 04:29 PM		You should change your location then... no one's going to believe 5 inches of snow in Orlando...

Bah... knew i forgot to change something....


Awards updated Turanson

Edit=> Ok Location Changed... now i need to go Take care
TelinArtho

03-04-08, 04:45 PM		Bulgar vs the Loyal Retainers is up here.

It looks to me that you didn't take into account Bulgar's far shot feat. In round 3, for instance, the distance according to the end round positions for Bulgar (96,96) and Thiel (7,92) is 455ft. You have it marked as a -8 penalty - it should be -4 (first range increment 0-160 ft, 2nd (-2) 165ft - 325ft, 3rd (-4) 330ft - 490ft). Since Bulgar missed the first shot by 2 and the 2nd shot by 3 - this could have a big difference (since Bulgar would be able to focus on other targets sooner).
templer10

03-04-08, 04:49 PM		Okay - so now the dark one Vs kilor (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=997322) Really DOES need a replacement pitlord since CA wont be online again apperantly before pairings - the fight is pretty much near it's end so shouldnt take long.
whitebaron

03-04-08, 04:59 PM		Rewards fixed... and Lelenia's is because of her Package.. and because bags of tricks aren't counted as Followers... (should be IMHO)

well, as bag of tricks are hedged out by something as simple as a Protection from Evil spell, i don't think it would be nice to have a penalty against something that has only limited use about 50% of the time.
Erithmu

03-04-08, 05:00 PM		Bulgar vs the Loyal Retainers is up here.

No arguments from TLR. Any I forsaw were countered by the die roller not making a difference.

Will wait for Telin's response, which he does (in ninja format)
Hirumajoe

03-04-08, 05:21 PM		@Telin: You're right on the ranges. I've rolled damage real quick for the 1st two arrows, 6 and 7 damage, for a total of 13. Unfortunately, combined with the 5 damage in round 4 only drops Thiel to disabled with exactly 0 hit points. The last hit (which was the last one before your blindness contingency kicked in) hits for 6, dropping her and leaving her at -6. Since there were no healing contingencies for Thiel, she bleeds to death in round 9.

Since she never got to range, this doesn't really change anything else in the fight, other than making the Thiel's Loyal Retainers lose Thiel.

So the fight result still stands. Will edit it in tonight.
Erithmu

03-05-08, 10:13 AM		@Telin: You're right on the ranges. I've rolled damage real quick for the 1st two arrows, 6 and 7 damage, for a total of 13. Unfortunately, combined with the 5 damage in round 4 only drops Thiel to disabled with exactly 0 hit points. The last hit (which was the last one before your blindness contingency kicked in) hits for 6, dropping her and leaving her at -6. Since there were no healing contingencies for Thiel, she bleeds to death in round 9.

Since she never got to range, this doesn't really change anything else in the fight, other than making the Thiel's Loyal Retainers lose Thiel.

So the fight result still stands. Will edit it in tonight.
One other final note is that Faedrus' mage armor lasts <5 hours due to the domain wizard effect.
Hirumajoe

03-05-08, 01:09 PM		Ok, Bulgar vs Retainers rewards have been updated. Bulgar used 5 arrows, recovering 1. Thiel died and mage armor updated to 5 hour duration. No change in who won or lost.
CrazyArtificer

03-05-08, 01:52 PM		Honestly? I think the following would have been better for you:

1) Running towards them for one round to try and close some distance.
2) Still using smoke sticks, but going for 20% concealment.
3) getting a scroll of cat's grace or something if you really think you're going to get into archery battles.

Also note that the smokesticks negate sneak attack completely, so you didn't need to fear the rogue as much as the gun-weilder with psionic shot.


I pretty much agree with your considerations, but Uranedal isn't the type of char which usually goes on archery battles.
It's been a contingent situation due to my lazyness in updating the sheet.

But even better would be getting high mobility(mount spell, expeditious retreat, or fly eventually) & actually using your SoD spells & direct damage. Things like crossbows should be for after you run out of spells- not to soften an enemy before the spells ;)


That's what I plan to do indeed.
I also want to point out that in the rewards section for Uranedal, Summon Swarm is from scroll.
Salrantol

03-06-08, 05:24 PM		@McJarvis: Can you roll arrow recovery on the team fight? I was just updating The Hunter and noticed it hadn't been done. Thanks.
McJarvis

03-07-08, 11:38 AM		done
Salrantol

03-07-08, 09:54 PM		Thanks.