| Post/Author/DateTime | Post |
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| Tellish_of_Ket09-28-05, 03:56 PM | I'll be doing pairings today. Have fun and be nice. The clock is ticking, so get those ready's ready. -ToK |
| NiQil09-28-05, 03:58 PM | Woohoo....first reply to the FotW thread. :P |
| Iced09-28-05, 04:09 PM | :rolleyes: Don't Get too carried away up there... :P |
| Snommelp09-28-05, 04:14 PM | The fight was in last second, so I'd like to make sure Grik gets paired this week. He's ready to go. |
| NiQil09-28-05, 04:16 PM | The fight was in last second, so I'd like to make sure Grik gets paired this week. He's ready to go. Just make sure his subject line says "Ready for September 28th"...as long as that is done within the next (approx) 40 minutes, you should be ok. |
| Snommelp09-28-05, 04:34 PM | Well, in that case, on with the show! ToK and Oldmangray are hopefully updated as well, since I took the time to run their fight last night instead of sleeping... :P ;) |
| Altaris1309-28-05, 04:37 PM | Dang. I had wanted to get another fighter ready for this week's pairings, but have been damn busy. I shall however be Pitlording this week. So be forwarned! :D |
| Faroth09-28-05, 04:48 PM | Please include me in the fights of this week, my last fight was finished just some time ago. see u |
| Tellish_of_Ket09-28-05, 04:52 PM | You still have 10 minutes, as of the time of this posting. Pairings will be a little late today, sorry for any delays. Pressing last minute stuff here at the house, plus getting around with a broken neck isn't as easy as it sounds. -ToK |
| Mind Rogue09-28-05, 05:26 PM | Pairings were due about 26 minutes ago. Please make sure Tellish the Infirm has all of your character sheets labeled "Ready for September 28th". Tellish: Any idea how long you're supposed to have the neck brace? I wish you well. |
| Snommelp09-28-05, 06:53 PM | Neck brace?? What did I miss and are you all right? |
| Gonbow09-28-05, 07:00 PM | He had a bit of an accident; I'll let ToK give the details if he wants to. On another note; @Caterane and ToK What's up with my credits? Three weeks ago I had 4 credits. I've been running 1 fight a week with 3 characters active. Two of those weeks my fights were taken over by other people, which should be -1 credit, leaving me at 2. I did join a campaign; but King Uther stated several times he was paying for my credits. Am I missing some credit expenditures somewhere? (Even with the -5 from the campaign, I should be at -3, not -4. If having your fight taken over by someone meets the criteria for an additional penalty, I should still be at 0 or -5, not -4!) |
| nightbanegod09-28-05, 07:53 PM | heh wish i had huans 100°s to spend... i could use some custom items... and since crovax aparently is "cursed" anyone he happens to fight in the near future should respectfully have a decent will save. if they expect to have a chance at this. that is on a side note. for RP purposes Crovax never made it off that island, so i would appreciate any stories written about him to be in a perspective of him being a slave in an "arena" setting inside the abbey he tried to flee. i will attempt to "actually make it to gladius" probably when he levels or some such nonsense |
| NiQil09-28-05, 08:00 PM | heh wish i had huans 100°s to spend... i could use some custom items... and since crovax aparently is "cursed" anyone he happens to fight in the near future should respectfully have a decent will save. if they expect to have a chance at this. that is on a side note. for RP purposes Crovax never made it off that island, so i would appreciate any stories written about him to be in a perspective of him being a slave in an "arena" setting inside the abbey he tried to flee. i will attempt to "actually make it to gladius" probably when he levels or some such nonsense On the bright side....if you were goin for the lich bit....he already died LMAO. |
| nightbanegod09-28-05, 08:04 PM | On the bright side....if you were goin for the lich bit....he already died LMAO. :ghosted: you think thats funny? thats ... just ... :rofl: |
| Pitlords09-28-05, 08:27 PM | On another note; @Caterane and ToK What's up with my credits? Three weeks ago I had 4 credits. I've been running 1 fight a week with 3 characters active. Two of those weeks my fights were taken over by other people, which should be -1 credit, leaving me at 2. I did join a campaign; but King Uther stated several times he was paying for my credits. Am I missing some credit expenditures somewhere? (Even with the -5 from the campaign, I should be at -3, not -4. If having your fight taken over by someone meets the criteria for an additional penalty, I should still be at 0 or -5, not -4!) Dunno. I never had anything to do with that. Last time i did pairings, everything was honkey-dorry. Send Pitlords another PM, and i'll leave it in the box. FIGHT TIME ....so go nuts. -ToK |
| Luni09-28-05, 08:39 PM | Talari Leafwhisperer (Luni) & Vandelar the Red (SoulLord) & Va'ria Theladrais (Sindorin) vs 1 babau demon + 7 shocker lizards Gee. We are only outnumbered 8 - 3! Also Talari should have a free activity up there. She is trying to train all 5000 bats to heel without a collar. |
| Gonbow09-28-05, 08:40 PM | @Luni Could be worse. Guess whose character with no ranged weapons is going up against the worlds most mobile ECL 4 character? :P |
| Mind Rogue09-28-05, 08:40 PM | Cerebus is Pitlording for Pirotess (his own character). While I don't think he would cheat me out of a good clean fight, I think this would be a time I would deviate strongly from my norm and demand that he use Invisible Castle. Also, Alexi and Daeren need a pitlord. |
| nightbanegod09-28-05, 08:41 PM | hey pitlords. wheres crovax? hes an ECL 7 character that says ready for 9/28 and died on his quest so he is eligible to fight in the arena this week. perhaps it would be appropriate if i replaced the drider... all things considered |
| Luni09-28-05, 08:51 PM | Cerebus is Pitlording for Pirotess (his own character). While I don't think he would cheat me out of a good clean fight, I think this would be a time I would deviate strongly from my norm and demand that he use Invisible Castle. Also, Alexi and Daeren need a pitlord. Pitlords is a step ahead. Ignore this. Easy fix Alexi Wood (Mind Rogue) vs Daeren Stronghammer (TelinArtho): Cerebus13 and Pirotess (Cerebus13) vs Anya Starfire (Mind Rogue): Cerebus13 Luni If that is ok with everybody. O, and could my gladiators email me instead of PM me. Thanks. Email is under PItlords in the Character thread. |
| Pitlords09-28-05, 08:54 PM | Pirotess (Cerebus13) vs Anya Starfire (Mind Rogue): Emrys Donovan Devolved Sleestak (Enterik) vs Tak the Hungry (Oldmangray): Cerebus13 alrady fixed it. @NBG: send me a link to crovax and i'll give him a fight. @LUNI: You can have NBG's monster fight of 3 large monstrous scorpions. -ToK |
| NiQil09-28-05, 09:01 PM | @ Pitlords Since I only got rolled in one fight to run this week and I normally get two, if you need to make any more reassignments or additions, I can pick up a second match to run. |
| Snommelp09-28-05, 09:02 PM | Grik's tactics have been sent to TelinArtho. If there's something I missed that you need to know, PM me. |
| Luni09-28-05, 09:09 PM | Pirotess (Cerebus13) vs Anya Starfire (Mind Rogue): Emrys Donovan Devolved Sleestak (Enterik) vs Tak the Hungry (Oldmangray): Cerebus13 alrady fixed it. @NBG: send me a link to crovax and i'll give him a fight. @LUNI: You can have NBG's monster fight of 3 large monstrous scorpions. -ToK Sure. You are aware ToK that 1 babau demon and 7 shocker lizards is EL 9. You don't think that is a bit much for 3 ECL 6's? |
| Pitlords09-28-05, 09:17 PM | Sure. You are aware ToK that 1 babau demon and 7 shocker lizards is EL 9. You don't think that is a bit much for 3 ECL 6's? 3 level 6 characters is also EL 9. I just rolled three individual fights on the Level 6 table and grouped them into one. Just lucky i guess that i rolled shocker lizards twice. heheh Don't feel so bad. Two other monster fights i rolled 99%, 99%, 16% for and max cockatrices and the other guy i rolled 98%, 97%, 16% for 3 bugbears. Which means they are individual gladiators fighting two EL's above their own ECL. All monster fights are done with online roller and verifiable. @Snommelp...you can have the missing fight. -ToK |
| NiQil09-28-05, 09:22 PM | 3 level 6 characters is also EL 9. I just rolled three individual fights on the Level 6 table and grouped them into one. Just lucky i guess that i rolled shocker lizards twice. heheh Don't feel so bad. Two other monster fights i rolled 99%, 99%, 16% for and max cockatrices and the other guy i rolled 98%, 97%, 16% for 3 bugbears. Which means they are individual gladiators fighting two EL's above their own ECL. All monster fights are done with online roller and verifiable. @Snommelp...you can have the missing fight. -ToK @ ToK Did you mean me instead of Snommelp? If so, which fight are you referring to? |
| Pitlords09-28-05, 09:22 PM | @ ToK Did you mean me instead of Snommelp? If so, which fight are you referring to? Oopps...yup. I meant you. Changing it now. Alexi Wood (Mind Rogue) vs Daeren Stronghammer (TelinArtho): NiQil -ToK |
| Snommelp09-28-05, 09:32 PM | Whew... dodged the bullet there. I'll take fights, but I'd prefer to reserve myself for fights that otherwise won't get done. Because I'm lazy. |
| Sindorin09-28-05, 09:32 PM | Curse you and your random online roller. CurseCurseCurseCurseCurseCurseCurseCurse CurseCurseCurseCurseCurseCurseCurseCurse CurseCurseCurseCurseCurse you. Have a nice day. :) |
| waywreth09-28-05, 09:35 PM | Amion Dar'ath (Waywreth) vs 4 cockatrices (El 7) (monster): Tellish OMG dice roller hates me! Poor Amion. |
| Pitlords09-28-05, 09:45 PM | Curse you and your random online roller. CurseCurseCurseCurseCurseCurseCurseCurse CurseCurseCurseCurseCurseCurseCurseCurse CurseCurseCurseCurseCurse you. Have a nice day. :) Shocker lizards are very weak, and have few hp. But then again, you could be in for a "shocking" experience. LOL Amion Dar'ath (Waywreth) vs 4 cockatrices (El 7) (monster): Tellish OMG dice roller hates me! Poor Amion. Actually, if you get your fort saves up there, you should have a very easy fight. -ToK |
| Sindorin09-28-05, 09:47 PM | Hehehe, it's not the shockers that I am worried about, it's the big demon telling them that we are food that I am worried about. |
| Huan09-28-05, 09:55 PM | 3 Mages vs Team Pikachu ... interesting. |
| NiQil09-28-05, 09:56 PM | 3 Mages vs Team Pikachu ... interesting. :rofl: :heehee |
| TelinArtho09-28-05, 10:17 PM | @Tellish/Pitlords - 2 things: 1. Torgirr Hammerstriker starts his quest that I am questlording. He is questing for a cloak of elvenkind 2. Vakkor is training Crabbe (medium centipede) to come. |
| TelinArtho09-28-05, 10:20 PM | Also, Delaria is miniquesting for a small air elemental (King Uther) |
| Luni09-28-05, 10:54 PM | @Huan: Tactics sent for Shakari! |
| Mind Rogue09-28-05, 11:21 PM | At Emrys and Telin Tactics sent for Anya and Yoriko. |
| Emrys Donovan09-28-05, 11:21 PM | Hey ToK, I think you messed up my pairings...Sebastian should be paired, not Felix. Mind Rogue: Received your tactics. |
| Huan09-28-05, 11:22 PM | @Huan: Tactics sent for Shakari! Recieved. And I see you included RP, nice. Many thanks for that. |
| Vathelokai09-28-05, 11:36 PM | So ToK has my Auburn paired against 3 bugbears?!!? I accept the challenge. Send me the details, Tellish |
| Pitlords09-28-05, 11:46 PM | Hey ToK, I think you messed up my pairings...Sebastian should be paired, not Felix. Mind Rogue: Received your tactics. You mean Maximus? I don't see a sebastian, and ya, i c/p the wrong guy. @ALL: I haven't gotten around to adding quests to the Character actions section yet. Neck needs some resting time. I'll do both that and the credits in the morning. So ToK has my Auburn paired against 3 bugbears?!!? I accept the challenge. Send me the details, Tellish Nope, not me...Invisible Castle did. :D Bugbear Special Equipment: Greataxe +2 ...knock yerself out. -ToK |
| Sindorin09-28-05, 11:51 PM | I wish Invisible Castle was visible so I could throw rocks at it. Damn spot modifier, I have a freaking stygmatism... |
| Pitlords09-28-05, 11:54 PM | I wish Invisible Castle was visible so I could throw rocks at it. Damn spot modifier, I have a freaking stygmatism... I agree. The monster fights are exceptionally hard this week. I still can't get over the lucky roll of two sets of shocker lizards and two other ECL+2 fights. -ToK |
| Pauper09-29-05, 12:49 AM | @ TelinArtho: tactics for Alac sent via e-mail. Send me an e-mail or respond in this thread if you don't have them by Thursday afternoon. Should be an interesting fight! -- Pauper |
| Ravashack09-29-05, 01:00 AM | Tactics sent to Maraxus. Oh the waiting... |
| Maraxus09-29-05, 01:30 AM | Ravashack: Tactics receifed. About the pairings: Zassl will accept the cross legue fight against the ECL 5 Necromancer, allthrough he just leveled to level 4. Can't do much more then loosing anyway. ;) |
| King Uther09-29-05, 01:55 AM | @Everyone My wife was in a car accident last night. That's why I haven't been on that much the last 2 days. Everything should be fine tomorrow. @Usurpator Hmmm.....good luck. |
| Sindorin09-29-05, 02:28 AM | Oh man, let me know if i can help in any way King Uther. I am in Columbia (at mizzou), just ask if you need anything. |
| Delusional Illusion09-29-05, 02:41 AM | So the last week's unrun fight between Wlandra and Dire Flame is still on even thought I didn't have the change to change my chars ready date? Nice :) I better go dig up those tactics I sent then. |
| Usurpator09-29-05, 03:45 AM | Balbanes, I see the Arena management has paired us against each other. While they no doubt desire the revenues from such a top billed fight, I was not aware that you could be paired off to a gladiator of a higher league without a prior request. We already seem to be on a similar path, you challenged and defeated Yasha and Greevus, I got paired with them and defeated them as well. I do not doubt we will meet in single combat, the seed has been planted, but I feel it's not time yet for it to sprout. Currently I am planning to leave Gladius for a few weeks to deal with a Dragon threat somewhere up north, so it will have to be after I return. Nexa of the Twin Paths @King Uther I am sorry to hear about your wife's accident. When Balbanes and Nexa fight I much prefer an even contest, though. If we are not paired by League 6, I will challenge you myself if neccessary. @Tellish of Ket Can you be paired of against a gladiator from a higher league without requesting it? It seems to have happened to both Zassl and Nexa. Their opponents, Balbanes and the Pale Rider, are both level 5, but were never moved to the level 5 list, which might have caused the mix-up. Also, to remind you (or Cat) the gladiators who's fights were in late last week did not have their rankings and wins/losses updated. @Maraxus Exchanging opponents would be an option. Or do you prefer to fight the Pale Rider. ;) |
| Usurpator09-29-05, 03:48 AM | Hehehe, it's not the shockers that I am worried about, it's the big demon telling them that we are food that I am worried about. The way I see it, you three have a 40% chance of losing that battle. :D |
| Caterane09-29-05, 05:18 AM | @Gonbow: I always make a lengthy and time-consuming post with the credit assignments and where these changes come from. If there's a mistake in it then you should tell me then. Your negative credits come from the campaign entry. I need PMs if you want to be 100% sure that a transfer will be made (here: from Uther to your account). @Tellish: Gonbow +5°, Uther -5° |
| Pitlords09-29-05, 07:00 AM | @Tellish of Ket Can you be paired of against a gladiator from a higher league without requesting it? It seems to have happened to both Zassl and Nexa. Their opponents, Balbanes and the Pale Rider, are both level 5, but were never moved to the level 5 list, which might have caused the mix-up. I'll make the change asap. -ToK EDIT: PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING CHANGES! The Pale-Rider (Tellish of Ket) vs Balbanes, Avatar of Life (King Uther): Luni Zassl (Maraxus) vs : vs Nexa (Usurpator): Sindorin |
| Pittbull09-29-05, 07:34 AM | @Everyone My wife was in a car accident last night. That's why I haven't been on that much the last 2 days. Everything should be fine tomorrow. @Usurpator Hmmm.....good luck. Huch, that seem to be very bad weeks. Last week, I came home after work and found my girl-friend unconciously in our aparment, but now she's fine too again. I wish your wife all the best! @Luni: I contacted Sunwolf allready to adjust our tactics, I hope you'll get them tomorrow. |
| Vathelokai09-29-05, 07:36 AM | Bugbear Special Equipment: Greataxe +2 ...knock yerself out. -ToK So all three of them have +2 axes? Or 1 +2 axe between the three of them? Any potions? I assume they come with leather armor, wooden shield, javelins and a morning star as per the MM entry. Another thing; they are CR 2 but ECL 4! And they have scent! I suppose the lack of gear evens things out. 1800 xp - here I come! |
| Pitlords09-29-05, 07:44 AM | So all three of them have +2 axes? Or 1 +2 axe between the three of them? Any potions? I assume they come with leather armor, wooden shield, javelins and a morning star as per the MM entry. Another thing; they are CR 2 but ECL 4! And they have scent! I suppose the lack of gear evens things out. 1800 xp - here I come! Yes, only one guy carries the GreatAxe +2. -ToK (currently working on Credit adjustments/quests now) |
| King Uther09-29-05, 08:09 AM | @Pitlords Although I posted this a couple of times, I suppose a timely PM would have been a better bet. To clea up any confusion, I take responsibility for all of the credits in the Missions Abroad Campaign. |
| Delusional Illusion09-29-05, 08:12 AM | Tactics for Wlandra sent to Altaris13 via PM. |
| King Uther09-29-05, 08:14 AM | @Gonbow 1. I have it in my heading to fight EL4 if no EL5 characters were left to fight. 2. Scared? It wouldn't matter if I'm in EL5 or not. (Crowd goes loud with obnoxious OOOO!!!) 3. Don't take 2 seriously, it's fine if you don't want numbers in the loss column. @ToK Well, we face off at last. This should be fun. |
| Pitlords09-29-05, 08:45 AM | Please verify for accuracy Credit Changes: +9: Huan, Tellish +6: NBG, Gonbow, Altaris13 +5: Emerys Donovan, Iced +3: TelinArtho, Kaigan, Luni +2: NiQil, Shaken, Usurpator +1: Caterane, Cerebus13, Maraxus, LLMadCow +0: Mind Rogue, Sindorin -1: Ellorien, Snommelp, TheMagister, Xanadu -2: Vathelokai -12: King Uther Active PC Credits: -3: TelinArtho, Tellish of Ket -2: King Uther, Luni, Mind Rogue -1: Emrys Donovan, Gonbow, Iced, Sindorin, Usurpator, Vathelokai Credits for Pitlords: +5: Tellish_of_Ket +4: Luni +3: TelinArtho +2: Emerys Donovan, Gonbow, Mind Rogue, NiQil, Usurpator +1: Altaris13, Caterane, Cerebus13, Huan, Iced, King Uther, Maraxus, NBG, Sindorin Credits for Questlords: +6: King +2: Huan, TelinArtho, Shaken, Iced, Tellish Credits for Questers: -1: Caterane, Ellorien, Emerys Donovan, Iced, Luni, Snommelp, TheMagister, Tellish, Vathelokai, Xanadu Credits for Campaigns: +6: Huan +3: Iced, Kaigan, Tellish -17: King Uther Refunding of Campaign-Costs: +5 Emerys, Gonbow, NBG, Altaris Special Credits: +3: Tellish (admin/map/map) +1: Caterane (admin), LLMadCow (admin), Iced (story), Luni (map), Usurpator (news) |
| Tellish_of_Ket09-29-05, 09:00 AM | @Emerys...I almost fogot. Please send the Pitlords account your link to Sebastion. I couldn't find it. And also send a link to your opponent as well. -ToK |
| Tellish_of_Ket09-29-05, 09:00 AM | @ToK Well, we face off at last. This should be fun. Your going down suka! -ToK |
| TelinArtho09-29-05, 09:05 AM | @Pitlords - it appears I would have a +2 net for this week rather than +3. I'm sure I'll pick up a fight or two though - so it may not matter in the end... |
| Sunwolf09-29-05, 09:08 AM | @King Uther Sorry to hear about your wife's accident. Hope she is okay. @Luni, King Uther, Pittbull I noticed something that will affect the fight and/or tactics if Virgo chooses to bring in his cohort. In short: Shaylynn is too high a level cohort by at least 1 level which has a ripple effect on other issues too. Virgo's leadership score is LEVEL + CHR mod + adjustments: 8 (or 9 if we allow choose to count ECL instead of level) -1 (8 chr) -1 (different alignment) +2 (great renown [being generous on this one, since LG doesn't have a rep system yet]) = 8 (9) [I suggest that all characters with this feat have their leadership score calculated where they list the feat] A cohort from a leadership score of 8 gives a max level of 5, leadership score of 9 gives a max level of 6. (If we don't count the renown modifier 5 or 6 leadership score yields a max level of 3 or 4 respectively). Explaination on different alignments penalty: in order to pick a pseudodragon familiar a wizard must be w/in one step in both the law-chaos and good-evil spectrum to the familiars alignment (NG in this case) which means allowable choices are LG,NG,CG,LN,N,CN none of which match Virgo's NE alignment. Another requirement is that the wizard be lvl 7 to pick a pseudodragon. Other less major comments: Shaylynn's hp should be 12 not 19 (at level 7) since she does not have an enhancement item for con which makes her con score an 8. She should also get another feat if she is level 5 or higher (bonus feat from wiz class -- metamagic,item creation, school focus etc). She should also have an alignment noted. ----------------------- My comments: I think that ECL instead of level *should* be used for the leadership feat, otherwise the feat becomes much less useful to those with a Level Adjustment. I also personally think that Virgo should get the great renown bonus since he is the guild leader of EHTC and is the secretary of commerce in Gladius. Edit: Cross posted to prison also. |
| Cerebus1309-29-05, 09:09 AM | @Emrys Donovan - Tactics for Pirotess sent through PM. @Oldmangray - Tactics received @Enterik - Tactics not received yet, please send soon. |
| TelinArtho09-29-05, 09:12 AM | @Pitlords - I notice that Vakkor is still not listed in the free activities as training his centipede to Come. |
| TelinArtho09-29-05, 09:19 AM | @TheMagister: Torgirr has just found himself in a random forest after a night of drinking - what would you like to do about it? Climbing an Elf's Back (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=510098) The quest starts Now! |
| Sindorin09-29-05, 09:19 AM | I'll make the change asap. -ToK EDIT: PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING CHANGES! The Pale-Rider (Tellish of Ket) vs Balbanes, Avatar of Life (King Uther): Luni Zassl (Maraxus) vs : vs Nexa (Usurpator): Sindorin Got it. Waiting on tactics. |
| Vathelokai09-29-05, 09:20 AM | nevermind... |
| TelinArtho09-29-05, 09:23 AM | Alright: Tactics received for 4 characters: Sdentch vs Grik (yup and yup) Yoriko vs Sdentch (yup and yup) I think I have one more fight - have not received tactics for either of those. /d |
| Tellish_of_Ket09-29-05, 09:33 AM | @All About Crafting, Free activities, Training pets etc... Please PM pitlords account with it. Not everything was marked in headers, so i just zipped them all off for a clean slate. If something is amiss, please PM Pitlords. -ToK |
| Altaris1309-29-05, 09:43 AM | Tactics for Wlandra sent to Altaris13 via PM. Received. |
| King Uther09-29-05, 10:15 AM | @Sunwolf Virgo owns his own headquarters, and that increases his leadership mod. It may be unfair, but he's owned that company since he was EL3. |
| TelinArtho09-29-05, 10:17 AM | @King Uther - that modifier only applies to the followers, not the cohort. @Niqil - tactics for Kraegin and Daeren have been sent via email. @Huan - tactics and a bit of roleplay infor for Vakkor have been sent via email. |
| TelinArtho09-29-05, 10:23 AM | @King Uther - obviously with the present circumstances of your wife - if you need to take some time - feel free to reassign the miniquest or even just run it as a monster fight. Roleplaying is good - but I know what your going through. I hope everything is alright. |
| waywreth09-29-05, 10:39 AM | @Tellish of Ket: Tactics for Amion vs. the Cockatrice Flight sent @Nightbanegod: Tactics for Casgish vs. Aramur sent |
| Maraxus09-29-05, 10:47 AM | Okay, I don't know which one is the easier opponent for me, The Pale-Rider or Nexa. On the one hand Pale Rider has much more ways of killing me but Nexa has both, better touch AC and better saves. About the same, I think but Pale Rider had brought more reward in case of an (improbable) victory. :) Well, at least, I get another chance against huggin' monks. ;) Tactics will be sent shortly. |
| Tellish_of_Ket09-29-05, 10:49 AM | @Tellish of Ket: Tactics for Amion vs. the Cockatrice Flight sent Recieved. @ToK Well, we face off at last. This should be fun. Your going down suka! Um...can i take that back? I just realized i forgot to update my guy. So you're basically still fighting a 4th level guy. :( Oh well. I'll do the best i can...but looks like Balbanes will roll on to another easy victory. -ToK |
| SoulLord09-29-05, 11:19 AM | Talari Leafwhisperer (Luni) & Vandelar the Red (SoulLord) & Va'ria Theladrais (Sindorin) vs 1 babau demon + 7 shocker lizards It's the demons! they are after us I tell you First the school is besieged by demons and now they face Vandelar in the arena. Fortunately I was not assigned to run a fight this week. So I can really focus on the fight. will have to look for some other way to earn credits though. |
| NiQil09-29-05, 11:24 AM | @ Telin Both sets of tactics received...haven't reviewed them yet...will PM if I have questions. @ Mind Rogue Tactics received for Alexi Wood...haven't reviewed them yet either...will PM with any questions. |
| TelinArtho09-29-05, 11:25 AM | Grik vs Alac (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7380240) Alac has a nice tactic here - but it has some bugs to work out... |
| NiQil09-29-05, 12:09 PM | @ Emrys Donovan Tactics for Axhind sent via PM @ Maraxus Tactics for Keltsat sent via PM |
| NiQil09-29-05, 12:15 PM | Stupid double post |
| Snommelp09-29-05, 01:15 PM | Grik vs Alac (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7380240) Alac has a nice tactic here - but it has some bugs to work out... Wow... that was a completely unexpected tactic. I was expecting something more like his default tactics. That Obscuring Mist trick probably would have worked, too... if I had been more cooperative. But yeah, I don't see any mistakes. Congratulations to my opponent for coming up with a good strategy, and hopefully it will work better for him next time. |
| Purkake09-29-05, 02:21 PM | I posted this in the team Pokemon vs team D&D, but I think here would be better: From when can familiars pick their own feats? They should get to use their masters. And can you counterspell a SLA? |
| Huan09-29-05, 02:21 PM | @TelinArtho Tactics and RP for Vakkor recieved, thank you. |
| TelinArtho09-29-05, 02:24 PM | I posted this in the team Pokemon vs team D&D, but I think here would be better: From when can familiars pick their own feats? They should get to use their masters. And can you counterspell a SLA? You're right about the familiars not getting their own feats (other than those specifically mentioned in their entry in the SRD). You can counterspell a Spell-like ability, but unless it is exactly the same as a spell in the SRD, you would have to use Dispel Magic. |
| King Uther09-29-05, 03:12 PM | @Luni Tactics for Balbanes were sent via PM a couple of hours ago. I may have forgotten something since I am somewhat distracted by RL, but hopefully it will do. @Everyone X-rays got back, and she has no broken bones, only some fairly bad bruising and soreness. We go through Progressive Insurance and they already have cut us a check for damages as well as paid any medical bills. She got into a wreck because some guy wanted to turn left out of a BUSY area during lunch rush. He yanked out without even looking, right into her. I am so lucky she's not further injured. Thanks for the concern. It means a lot. |
| Luni09-29-05, 03:39 PM | @Luni Tactics for Balbanes were sent via PM a couple of hours ago. I may have forgotten something since I am somewhat distracted by RL, but hopefully it will do. @Everyone X-rays got back, and she has no broken bones, only some fairly bad bruising and soreness. We go through Progressive Insurance and they already have cut us a check for damages as well as paid any medical bills. She got into a wreck because some guy wanted to turn left out of a BUSY area during lunch rush. He yanked out without even looking, right into her. I am so lucky she's not further injured. Thanks for the concern. It means a lot. I'm glad to hear that your wife is ok. I received your tactics, and replies with a PM with some observations. |
| TelinArtho09-29-05, 04:00 PM | Sdentch vs Yoriko Obato (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7382144) Should be a pretty productive fight (for comments that is...). Enjoy. |
| Usurpator09-29-05, 04:05 PM | @Sindorin Tactics for Nexa in her fight against Zassl sent (by e-mail no less...) |
| Emrys Donovan09-29-05, 04:35 PM | Niqil and Cerebus: Tactics received |
| Sindorin09-29-05, 05:05 PM | I have received tactics from both gladiators. Barring stupid last-minute 5-7 page analytical explication papers that are due next class ( :headexplo ) I should be able to have the fight up somewhat soon. |
| Mind Rogue09-29-05, 05:05 PM | Hmmm, I missed the longspear on her equipment list when designing tactics: I though she got rid of it. My plan pretty much revolved around her raging, which she decided only to do if grappled, and I knew that neither trip nor grapple would work as well as I hoped do to her strength, so... So, based on that, I guess I would have hoped you would have equated "withdraw" to "tumble out" since the obvious intention was to avoid gettin pinged, but I guess that is also partly my fault in being nonobservant. ... and I specifically looked for that longspear too. I also see that if I had just used expertise and not fighting defensive also, I would have hit an extra time, but had no effect on her attacks. Just my luck though that she gets most of the natural 20's or that that crit came right after force screen died, which would have blocked it. So then this brings up the issue if you can decide what order you mix in your primary and off hand attacks. But I think no matter the ifs and whats, I'd probably lose anyway. |
| TheMagister09-29-05, 05:11 PM | Hmmm, I missed the longspear on her equipment list when designing tactics: I though she got rid of it. My plan pretty much revolved around her raging, which she decided only to do if grappled, and I knew that neither trip nor grapple would work as well as I hoped do to her strength, so... So, based on that, I guess I would have hoped you would have equated "withdraw" to "tumble out" since the obvious intention was to avoid gettin pinged, but I guess that is also partly my fault in being nonobservant. ... and I specifically looked for that longspear too. I also see that if I had just used expertise and not fighting defensive also, I would have hit an extra time, but had no effect on her attacks. Just my luck though that she gets most of the natural 20's or that that crit came right after force screen died, which would have blocked it. So then this brings up the issue if you can decide what order you mix in your primary and off hand attacks. But I think no matter the ifs and whats, I'd probably lose anyway. Yeah, those 20s of Telin's are what Torgirr is kinda concerned about on his quest... Anyhow. I dunno if you can tumble as part of a withdrawal action anymore than you can tumble as part of a charge... Also, in round 14(?) when yoriko withdraws to drink her healing potion, Sdentch should have gotten another AoO with the longspear (if Sdentch had her based, that is). That might have saved her the cost of the potion, at least. I totally expected you to try improved trip on me, Mind Rogue. You had a reasonable chance at success that way, I thought... TM |
| Tellish_of_Ket09-29-05, 05:12 PM | @ LUNI: Tactics for Pale-Rider sent in two parts via PM. -ToK |
| Usurpator09-29-05, 05:19 PM | @Mind Rogue: Send you the tactics for Solon through e-mail. Will PM them if neccessary... |
| TelinArtho09-29-05, 05:24 PM | Also, in round 14(?) when yoriko withdraws to drink her healing potion, Sdentch should have gotten another AoO with the longspear (if Sdentch had her based, that is). No AoO because you attack, step back and attack again. In this case, you are at 10ft before she gets an action - so she can withdraw safely. Oh, and its round 16... Hmmm, I missed the longspear on her equipment list when designing tactics: I though she got rid of it. My plan pretty much revolved around her raging, which she decided only to do if grappled, and I knew that neither trip nor grapple would work as well as I hoped do to her strength, so... So, based on that, I guess I would have hoped you would have equated "withdraw" to "tumble out" since the obvious intention was to avoid gettin pinged, but I guess that is also partly my fault in being nonobservant. Well, tumbling wouldn't have netted you anything - as you wouldn't have been able to tumble as far (unless you wanted to tumble at full speed - which I guarantee you I won't do unless it is specifically asked for) as you could withdraw. At a full withdraw, you actually were able to move out of the range of attack that Torgirr could base you with, enabling you to tap your tattoo. |
| TheMagister09-29-05, 05:26 PM | At a full withdraw, you actually were able to move out of the range of attack that Torgirr could base you with, enabling you to tap your tattoo. You've got quest on the brain... TM |
| Pauper09-29-05, 05:26 PM | Wow... that was a completely unexpected tactic. I was expecting something more like his default tactics. That Obscuring Mist trick probably would have worked, too... if I had been more cooperative. I considered readying an action to cast the Mist on a charge, but realized that the concealment bonus for being in the mist after the charge woudn't be anywhere near enough to be useful (only 20% for being 5 feet away vs 50% for being more than 5 ft away). Good tactics, though. I was actually afraid Grik might try a grapple, and I'd forgotten to include my anti-grapple tactic. (I'll leave it unspoken for when I finally go up against those huggin' monks. :D) -- Pauper |
| Tellish_of_Ket09-29-05, 05:27 PM | I considered readying an action to cast the Mist on a charge, but realized that the concealment bonus for being in the mist after the charge woudn't be anywhere near enough to be useful (only 20% for being 5 feet away vs 50% for being more than 5 ft away). Good tactics, though. I was actually afraid Grik might try a grapple, and I'd forgotten to include my anti-grapple tactic. (I'll leave it unspoken for when I finally go up against those huggin' monks. :D) -- Pauper Obscuring Mist stops a charge, because it reduces your movement. Anything the reduces your movement, stops a charge. @Mind Rogue: Tactics for Baallor sent. -ToK |
| Snommelp09-29-05, 05:41 PM | Obscuring Mist stops a charge, because it reduces your movement. Anything the reduces your movement, stops a charge.Obscuring Mist doesn't effect movement speed. You're thinking of Solid Fog, methinks. |
| Luni09-29-05, 06:18 PM | @ LUNI: Tactics for Pale-Rider sent in two parts via PM. -ToK Received all 3. |
| Mind Rogue09-29-05, 07:47 PM | No AoO because you attack, step back and attack again. In this case, you are at 10ft before she gets an action - so she can withdraw safely. Oh, and its round 16... Well, tumbling wouldn't have netted you anything - as you wouldn't have been able to tumble as far (unless you wanted to tumble at full speed - which I guarantee you I won't do unless it is specifically asked for) as you could withdraw. At a full withdraw, you actually were able to move out of the range of attack that Torgirr could base you with, enabling you to tap your tattoo. No, but that would allow me to tumble 20' then tap my tatoo and essentially have the same result as if I had withdrawn 80 then tapped. In retrospect, I should probably have just gone giant and either grappled or tripped him. I was afraid to do either because of Sdentch's high strength, but I should have just used the power to overcome it. |
| nightbanegod09-29-05, 09:01 PM | whats the CR of 3 large monstrous scorpions? 6 or 7? |
| Luni09-29-05, 09:03 PM | whats the CR of 3 large monstrous scorpions? 6 or 7? Large Monsterous Scorpion are CR 3. 3 of them make an EL 6 Encounter. |
| LLMadCow09-29-05, 11:02 PM | Please verify for accuracy Credit Changes: +1: Blah, Blah, Blah, LLMadCow +1 credit, awesome, everything is good there. However, the +1 credit was not applied to my 'account'. Prior to the +1 credit, I was at -1. With the credit, I should be at +/-0 ... aka - breaking even. Nothing major, just wanting to keep things straight. |
| King Uther09-29-05, 11:13 PM | @Luni Tactics for Virgo sent via PM. Good luck to mine enemies. |
| NiQil09-29-05, 11:23 PM | +1 credit, awesome, everything is good there. However, the +1 credit was not applied to my 'account'. Prior to the +1 credit, I was at -1. With the credit, I should be at +/-0 ... aka - breaking even. Nothing major, just wanting to keep things straight. No credits applied to my account either. I was at +6 going in to pairings, and I should now be at +8, but I still sit at +6 |
| Usurpator09-30-05, 03:29 AM | @Nightbanegod: Tactics for Aramur in his contest with Casgish sent. |
| Tellish_of_Ket09-30-05, 03:43 AM | No credits applied to my account either. I was at +6 going in to pairings, and I should now be at +8, but I still sit at +6 Beceause i'm waiting to see if there are any other change needed. I'l be applying all the credit +/-'s either tomorrow, or Saturday. -ToK |
| Emrys Donovan09-30-05, 07:50 AM | Kaigan: I'm still waiting for your tactics by 6 am US Central time Saturday morning. |
| Pittbull09-30-05, 08:12 AM | @Luni/Sunwolf: I sent Hagrid's tactic to both of you. Sunwolf will adjust or edit our tactic and send it to you, Luni, thanks. |
| Altaris1309-30-05, 08:45 AM | I've received tactics from Iced. |
| Vathelokai09-30-05, 09:29 AM | @ TOK: Tactics sent for Auburn vs. 3 Bugbears. Best of luck. It will either be really short or really long. |
| NiQil09-30-05, 10:18 AM | @ Huan Still need tactics for Dameon Leonne. Planning on running your battle Saturday morning, so I'll need them by then. @ Mind Rogue & Telin Gonna get your battle started tonight...so look for it either tonight or tomorrow morning. |
| TelinArtho09-30-05, 10:20 AM | Lortavos (Gonbow) vs Archie Longbow (LongArcher) Still need tactics for these two. If I don't get them by 4pm Eastern US time, it'll probably need to wait until Monday (because I have a busy weekend). Send them when you get the chance. |
| TelinArtho09-30-05, 01:56 PM | @ Huan Still need tactics for Dameon Leonne. Planning on running your battle Saturday morning, so I'll need them by then. @ Mind Rogue & Telin Gonna get your battle started tonight...so look for it either tonight or tomorrow morning. I await my fights anxiously... Anyway - I've received a PM from LongArcher stating that Lortavos (Gonbow) has withdrawn from his match. Without Gonbow's reply to such, I am simply waiting. |
| Usurpator09-30-05, 02:03 PM | I await my fights anxiously... Anyway - I've received a PM from LongArcher stating that Lortavos (Gonbow) has withdrawn from his match. Without Gonbow's reply to such, I am simply waiting. Well, I guess since Lortavos has zero chance against his flying tactics it could be a reason for Withdrawal. On the other hand, if Gonbow thinks Lortavos is going to lose any way, don't reward Archie Longbow by making him spend 0 resources, make him pay for his victory at least! Will be kind to the other gladiators that have to face him as well..... |
| LongArcher09-30-05, 02:10 PM | Hey Gonbow, I just took a look at your character and thought I would hand out the olive branch of surrender to you. My terms are simple. I will offer to spend 1 alter self, (75gp), and replace all 20 arrows...though we both know it wouldn't take me 20 arrows to kill you. I will even through in my magic weapon scroll (25 gp) for good measure to round it off to an even 100gp, plus 20 arrows. Is this fair? We both have a lot of homework we could be doing, I am certain of it, and we would each save a tremendous amount of time. Oh, heck. I'm feeling generous. I will even throw in my two scrolls of true strike for good measure. At least then it will cost me some xp as well. Is this a reasonable offer? /amz Yes. But I do not intend to be robbed of my intended comedic relief! Agree to let me write a story for the 'battle' as well and we have a deal. Absolutely. I look forward to reading it. Happy Studies, /amz I hope this is satisfactory. /amz |
| Sunwolf09-30-05, 02:35 PM | @Luni, Pittbull Brilf's tactics sent by PM |
| King Uther09-30-05, 04:18 PM | I could beat Archie Longbow with Lortavos. Sure it would take some luck and well-planned strategy, but it is definitely possible. Don't give up, Gonbow! |
| Tellish_of_Ket09-30-05, 04:24 PM | I could beat Archie Longbow with Lortavos. Sure it would take some luck and well-planned strategy, but it is definitely possible. Don't give up, Gonbow! Luck? I think you mean MIRACLE -ToK |
| King Uther09-30-05, 04:25 PM | @Questers I'll be on tonight to update. I've been working with the insurance company and the body shop most of the day for my now-wrecked VW Passat. |
| Mind Rogue09-30-05, 04:43 PM | I've received tactics from all of my gladiators, but I probably won't be able to run fights until tomorrow. |
| Luni09-30-05, 07:10 PM | If anyone is going to send me any Add-on's please email them to me, as all your tactics filled up my PM box! :D |
| Gonbow09-30-05, 07:33 PM | I'm sure you could King Uther, but I am not you ;) That, and I don't really want to make someone run a fight long enough for all his buffs to wear off :P So yes, I'm surrendering and writing a story for that fight. |
| Huan09-30-05, 09:30 PM | @NiQil Tactics for Dameon have been sent. Thank you for your patience. |
| Sindorin10-01-05, 01:41 AM | The RAW state that the Entangle spell only tries to entangle those who have avoided the initial entanglement. What happens if a creature moves into the entangle area? The way I have moderated said encounter is that the creature that moves into the area must make Reflex saves. Is this correct, or is it simply an interpretation of the slightly vague rules? |
| Maraxus10-01-05, 02:25 AM | About the fight: -My buckler is mithril, so no 5% arcane spell failure. -As both of us wrote, Zassl's hitpoints should be 15. I am really sorry for the mistake and will change it, once the fight is done. -Yes, it was the right idea to stay on the top. Maybe it is not the best ides to try to escape the whole time, instead of just accepting that I am entangled, but I did not write this in my tactic. My fault. -With all her sling bullets, Nexa is encumbered - if she did not leave them at home. ;) Well never mind that. But most important: -Just because I am entangled, My AC does not drop to 14. Entangled: -2 penalty on all attack rolls and a -4 penalty to Dexterity. An entangled character who attempts to cast a spell must make a Concentration check (DC 15 + the spell’s level) or lose the spell. In case of that spell, I also can't move from the spot. (And damn, I just see that I made a mistake in the tactic, since I really said, that attacking overrules buffing. Luckily I won initiative ;)) |
| King Uther10-01-05, 02:44 AM | Two things about the Nexa fight: 1. The same thing Maraxus noted, his AC in the entangle is a 20. 2. Nexa left her sling bullets at home. End of story. If Nexa wanted to bring them, they should be written in equipment. Same thing with pre-buffs. They must already be on the sheet. |
| Sindorin10-01-05, 03:17 AM | Ah, I'm sorry about that. I will look at it tomorrow when I am not dead tired. Are you sure Nexa couldn't just pick up a stone from the arena grounds? Also, have I pitlorded correctly with the wolf entering the zone of entanglement? My original question was not answered... |
| King Uther10-01-05, 03:25 AM | Yes, you are correct about the wolf being entangled. Also, picking up something from the ground is a move action, and sling stones deal less damage than sling bullets. |
| NiQil10-01-05, 04:31 AM | Two things about the Nexa fight: 1. The same thing Maraxus noted, his AC in the entangle is a 20. 2. Nexa left her sling bullets at home. End of story. If Nexa wanted to bring them, they should be written in equipment. Same thing with pre-buffs. They must already be on the sheet. I think you may have missed this....under unused expendables on Nexa's sheet, there are 20 sling bullets. So she did bring ammunition....just the other 174 stayed at home. |
| NiQil10-01-05, 04:47 AM | @ Huan Tactics received, PM sent with clarification needed. |
| Usurpator10-01-05, 05:41 AM | As previous posters said, Zassl's AC should be 20 and the wolf must save when he enters the entangle field. Note that you can still attack (at -2) and cast spells (DC 15 + 1/level Concentration) when entangled, so Silverfur does not have to break free to carry out his attack command. Additionally, Zassl will draw AoO's from Silverfur for spellcasting etc. EDIT: Sling bullets are expendables (just like arrows) are they? They are not restored by the Nimbus if they are broken during the fight, right? |
| Usurpator10-01-05, 07:08 AM | @Maraxus: Innovative tactics, trying to use the rock to prevent a grapple! I don't know if it would have worked as you described, though. It hinges on the fact that Nexa should not be able to enter your square as a free action, but it does not specificy why she wouldn't be able to do that. The Grapple heading makes my movement into your square free, not a free action. It also says I must be able to move into your square, so I guess a failed DC 15 Climb check would make that impossible, so that's a 50/50 chance of failing at the most. And you will still receive damage from the grappling, its just that the grapple cannot be maintained. |
| Maraxus10-01-05, 07:25 AM | With cover towards Silverfur, I'm save from AoOs. Oh and looks like you are right about that I can still be grappled and damaged, but I don't think you get to climb the rock as a free part of the grapple, so you can't maintain the grapple at last. But let's see how the fight turns out. My chances are bad, your second hit is a hit even against my AC of 20. With 9 hp less, the chances to survive a second hit are very low. But now that Sindorin knows I can cast while entangled, maybe he does so and two really (really) lucky magic missles could win me that fight. :) |
| Vathelokai10-01-05, 07:45 AM | Auburn[ecl3] vs. 3 Bugbears[ecl5] (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7393333&postcount=444) :OMG! Only oddities I noticed were that Auburn is female and in round 8 I was charged even though invis. It missed, so no biggie. I can't believe I won that! |
| Usurpator10-01-05, 08:17 AM | With cover towards Silverfur, I'm save from AoOs. You're right of course. Oh and looks like you are right about that I can still be grappled and damaged, but I don't think you get to climb the rock as a free part of the grapple, so you can't maintain the grapple at last. I don't see why you can't climb a rock for free. There's no minimum to the amount or type of free movement as far as I can see. Besides, I see grapplers climbing atop horses for free all the time here in CoCo. But let's see how the fight turns out. My chances are bad, your second hit is a hit even against my AC of 20. With 9 hp less, the chances to survive a second hit are very low. But now that Sindorin knows I can cast while entangled, maybe he does so and two really (really) lucky magic missles could win me that fight. :) I agree that Sindorin should make you try and cast instead of breaking free. But you would still need to be REALLY lucky, because my tactics state that I will cure if I get below 11 hp, breaking LOS first if possible, and the maximum damage on the missiles is 10. Since you are entangled I can easily break LOS, cure and then return for the last couple of shots. Anyway, nice tactics with the rock! |
| Purkake10-01-05, 12:19 PM | Usurpator, the maps for the Tavava vs. Pikachu are amazing and really helpful, great job!:bow::king::bow: |
| King Uther10-01-05, 12:50 PM | @Questers and Campaigners Work is being annoying. I will try to update tonight some, but know I have a LOT of time on Sunday, from 6-11 EST to work on any quests. PM me if you'll be available and we'll knock some stuff out. |
| Luni10-01-05, 12:54 PM | @nightbanegod: Crovax is going to die with those tactics you sent me. Please respond to the PM by Sunday, or Crovax will use them anyways. |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-01-05, 01:38 PM | Auburn[ecl3] vs. 3 Bugbears[ecl5] (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7393333&postcount=444) :OMG! Only oddities I noticed were that Auburn is female and in round 8 I was charged even though invis. It missed, so no biggie. I can't believe I won that! He pin-pointed you. But your tactics broke down very early...which was a good thing i guess, read my comments in red in your tactics section. If you had the opportunity to send your familiar in for an attack early, he'd have been killed and would not have been able to save your butt, once you were grappled. Also, if you didn't have tumble, you'd have been dee, ee, dee....DED (tm). -ToK |
| Emrys Donovan10-01-05, 01:48 PM | Kaigan, I need your tactics by the end of Sunday. If I don't have them, I will use default or previous tactics. Thanks. |
| Mind Rogue10-01-05, 04:51 PM | Greefe vs Baallorr is up. In short, Baallorr didn't do what Greefe expected him to do, but Baallorr didn't take Greefe down in one shot, so the match was pretty close. Who won? Read and find out. @ Niqil If you would please get the fight up soon, I can correct all of the errors you found on Alexi. |
| TheMagister10-01-05, 04:56 PM | Welp, Torgirr got stomped by a Giant Praying Mantis. When the DM don't miss, the player don't win. It's that simple. TM |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-01-05, 05:04 PM | Greefe vs Baallorr is up. In short, Baallorr didn't do what Greefe expected him to do, but Baallorr didn't take Greefe down in one shot, so the match was pretty close. Who won? Read and find out. @ Niqil If you would please get the fight up soon, I can correct all of the errors you found on Alexi. I hate to shoot myself in the foot, but i think i lost that fight, or at least Greefe gets an extra set of swings. Baallor attacks: [8] +14 = 22 vs AC 22 [hit] 3d6[6 +3 +1] +12 = 22 I don't believe my attack is +14. In my tactics, my +14 to hit, included being invisible and charging. I should only have +10. [+2bab, +1mw, -1size, +8str] -ToK |
| NiQil10-01-05, 05:22 PM | Greefe vs Baallorr is up. In short, Baallorr didn't do what Greefe expected him to do, but Baallorr didn't take Greefe down in one shot, so the match was pretty close. Who won? Read and find out. @ Niqil If you would please get the fight up soon, I can correct all of the errors you found on Alexi. Getting started on it now. Had an issue come up last night and couldn't get it done. Also, had to be fair and audit Daeren as well LOL. |
| Maraxus10-01-05, 05:29 PM | I have a general question... has nothing to do with the fight I'm pitlording ... almost ;) A psionic character can use 1/3 of his power points in a fight. But what, if he is stripped of power points by another effect? What in the special case of psychic enervation? I would say, if your opponents somehow steals you points, it would be something else, but if you produce the effect (like the mentioned enervation), it counts against the 1/3 rule. Am I right? |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-01-05, 06:15 PM | I have a general question... has nothing to do with the fight I'm pitlording ... almost ;) A psionic character can use 1/3 of his power points in a fight. But what, if he is stripped of power points by another effect? What in the special case of psychic enervation? I would say, if your opponents somehow steals you points, it would be something else, but if you produce the effect (like the mentioned enervation), it counts against the 1/3 rule. Am I right? Yes. Being enervated or drained of PP from any effect does count towards the 1/3 rule. -ToK |
| Mind Rogue10-01-05, 06:35 PM | I hate to shoot myself in the foot, but i think i lost that fight, or at least Greefe gets an extra set of swings. Baallor attacks: [8] +14 = 22 vs AC 22 [hit] 3d6[6 +3 +1] +12 = 22 I don't believe my attack is +14. In my tactics, my +14 to hit, included being invisible and charging. I should only have +10. [+2bab, +1mw, -1size, +8str] -ToK ~Bamph~ Fixed. I also noted that I forgot to cut the strength bonus of your foe in half on his secondary attack, although that doesn't change anything. He still cuts you in half with his next swing. It probably doesn't help you that your foe can hit you on a 2 and in fact would hit on a 1 if it weren't for the automiss rule. |
| Book510-01-05, 07:25 PM | Hey ToK, I think you messed up my pairings...Sebastian should be paired, not Felix. You are so right Emrys. Tan would have paddled Felix like a little baby. Sebastion ... its not only way more even, its like mythic. Halfling vs Half-Orc, both disarmers, speed vs strength, beauty vs beast, rage vs inspire, bardic music vs cleric of war with a level of fighter and a st. bernard in between! Im gonna get whipped aint I. @ Caterane, tactics and revised tactics sent pm. |
| Maraxus10-01-05, 07:26 PM | Keltsat vs Perius is up. |
| NiQil10-01-05, 08:10 PM | Keltsat vs Perius is up. @ Maraxus Nothing jumped out at me as needing correcting with the fight....but can I get you to edit in the 60 gp that Keltsat earned for his crafting? |
| NiQil10-01-05, 08:11 PM | Alexi Wood vs Daeren Stronghammer is up. As always, if there are any errors, the sooner you can let me know, the better. |
| TelinArtho10-01-05, 09:50 PM | @NiQil - the only thing that I notice off the bat is in round 12 where you have Alexi step in instead of stepping away because "she would be in my reach" - when I am enlarged, I strike as a large creature with a regular weapon, not as a medium character with a reach weapon. Therefore, I actually threaten at 5ft and 10ft. All in all, it won't have much effect on things, but just figured I'd mention it. As to the audit - I'm checking on a few things - so I'll get back to you. |
| NiQil10-01-05, 10:01 PM | @NiQil - the only thing that I notice off the bat is in round 12 where you have Alexi step in instead of stepping away because "she would be in my reach" - when I am enlarged, I strike as a large creature with a regular weapon, not as a medium character with a reach weapon. Therefore, I actually threaten at 5ft and 10ft. All in all, it won't have much effect on things, but just figured I'd mention it. As to the audit - I'm checking on a few things - so I'll get back to you. Ahh....my mistake. Yer right though, it won't change anything even if I have Alexi withdraw, because you would still be able to close with Expeditious Retreat still in effect....so the kill shot would still happen. However, if there are any other issues, I will fix it. But if that is the only thing, I'm not going to bother. |
| NiQil10-01-05, 10:34 PM | After looking at the whole manifester level/credit thing with regard to powerstones and tattoos, I think I have found a serious flaw. Let me provide an example. A normal ML 1 powerstone of Vigor provides 5 hp for 1 min and costs 25 x 1 (power level) x 1 (ML) = 25 gp. A normal ML 3 powerstone of Vigor provides 5 hp for 3 min and costs 25 x 1 (power level) x 2 (ML) = 75 gp. An augmented (2 PP) ML 1 powerstone of Vigor provides 15 hp for 1 min and costs 25 x 1 (power level) x 1 (ML) = 25 gp. An augmented (2 PP) ML 3 powerstone of Vigor provides 15 hp for 3 min and costs 25 x 1 (power level) x 1 (ML) = 75 gp. I do not think that the RAW provides for augmented powerstones/tattoos for purchase because there is no cost difference according to their own formula. This works out great for crafting your own powerstones, since the cost doesn't increase to augment. This also seems to work when compared to the fact that magic has it's effects go up based on the user level, and not just the duration like psionics does. Here in CoCo, we allow the purchase of augmented powerstones by increasing the ML and for credits, and that kinda screws with the pricing formula, since the formula wasn't meant to take into account augmentation (just higher manifester levels). By our houserules, for every 2 manifester levels we add to a powerstone, it also increases the power level by 1. A CoCo ML 1 powerstone of Vigor provides 5 hp for 1 min and costs 25 x 1 (power level) x 1 (ML) = 25 gp. A CoCo ML 3 powerstone of Vigor provides 15 hp for 3 min and costs 25 x 2 (power level) x 3 (ML) = 150 gp, as well as 1 credit for it being 2 ML's higher than what it would normally sell for. This is the attempt to make powerstone cost comparable to scroll cost of equivalent level. The problem here, is what if I want an ML 2 powerstone of Vigor? I can get a CoCo one that gives me 10 hp for 2 min and costs 25 x 1 power level) x 2 (ML) = 50 gp, and not have to spend credits. With our houserule, we are, in effect, giving away free augmentation by the buyer just not taking that last step and taking it to something that would require credits. All they are paying is the additional cost for that extra ML (which is the same as a normal powerstone of the same ML), and they are getting the added bonus of augmentation for free. Somehow this doesn't seem correct. I think this houserule should be reexamined. |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-01-05, 10:37 PM | ~Bamph~ Fixed. I also noted that I forgot to cut the strength bonus of your foe in half on his secondary attack, although that doesn't change anything. He still cuts you in half with his next swing. It probably doesn't help you that your foe can hit you on a 2 and in fact would hit on a 1 if it weren't for the automiss rule. ROFL...ya i know. I could have won with hit/run tactics using true strike, expeditious retreat, archery, but where's the fun in that? Plus it's not a serious character. He's being deleted anyhow. He was originally created to take advantage of collosal+ sized weapons.....which didn't work anyhow, so no point in continuing something that doesn't work without the sum of it's parts. -ToK |
| Vathelokai10-01-05, 10:43 PM | He pin-pointed you. But your tactics broke down very early...which was a good thing i guess, read my comments in red in your tactics section. If you had the opportunity to send your familiar in for an attack early, he'd have been killed and would not have been able to save your butt, once you were grappled. Also, if you didn't have tumble, you'd have been dee, ee, dee....DED (tm). -ToK It's a move action to determine direction with scent, then they can only pinpoint when within 5 ft. Since I moved before the charge, wouldn't he have to re-locate me? Am I misunderstanding the rules? 1 rank in tumble is a good investment for everybody :) |
| Book510-01-05, 11:59 PM | It's a move action to determine direction with scent, then they can only pinpoint when within 5 ft. Since I moved before the charge, wouldn't he have to re-locate me? Am I misunderstanding the rules? 1 rank in tumble is a good investment for everybody :) A creature with the scent ability can detect opponents by sense of smell, generally within 30 feet. If the opponent is upwind, the range is 60 feet. If it is downwind, the range is 15 feet. And yes, Tumble training is mandatory. Its simply a good idea. |
| Vathelokai10-02-05, 12:27 AM | Scent (Ex): This special quality allows a creature to detect approaching enemies, sniff out hidden foes, and track by sense of smell. Creatures with the scent ability can identify familiar odors just as humans do familiar sights. The creature can detect opponents within 30 feet by sense of smell. If the opponent is upwind, the range increases to 60 feet; if downwind, it drops to 15 feet. Strong scents, such as smoke or rotting garbage, can be detected at twice the ranges noted above. Overpowering scents, such as skunk musk or troglodyte stench, can be detected at triple normal range. When a creature detects a scent, the exact location of the source is not revealed—only its presence somewhere within range. The creature can take a move action to note the direction of the scent. Whenever the creature comes within 5 feet of the source, the creature pinpoints the source’s location. :rolleyes: |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-02-05, 12:34 AM | :rolleyes: Maybe i should have been more specific...he didn't pin-point you by scent. He HEARD you. -ToK |
| Vathelokai10-02-05, 12:36 AM | Ahhh... (the eye roll was for book5, btw.) |
| Book510-02-05, 12:46 AM | It's a move action to determine direction with scent ??? Just for my clarification, I thought it was a yes/no free action action thing. |
| Book510-02-05, 01:15 AM | Yes. Being enervated or drained of PP from any effect does count towards the 1/3 rule. -ToK Maybe I just dont believe it cause I havent seen it yet, but this 1/3 thing seems ... a little ... well we'll see wont we. |
| LLMadCow10-02-05, 01:17 AM | I sent a Private Message to Iced regarding my fight for Nessa Tempe this week, and I have yet to get a reply. It is a Monster fight against a Drider, and I was hoping that he would reply, but nothing yet. I'll send tactics out by Sunday night if he still hasn't replied. Until then, I wait. On a side note - if anyone has a reply, I would appreciate it: When engaging in a monster fight, if the monster is a innate spellcaster, are they also limited to the 1/3 magic per day rule? I am assuming the answer is yes, otherwise this could get real messy. If they are not restricted to the 1/3 per day rule, then it means that anyone can play said race and have a bunch of magic that is not restricted in anyway. So, there you have it. LLMC |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-02-05, 01:23 AM | I sent a Private Message to Iced regarding my fight for Nessa Tempe this week, and I have yet to get a reply. It is a Monster fight against a Drider, and I was hoping that he would reply, but nothing yet. I'll send tactics out by Sunday night if he still hasn't replied. Until then, I wait. On a side note - if anyone has a reply, I would appreciate it: When engaging in a monster fight, if the monster is a innate spellcaster, are they also limited to the 1/3 magic per day rule? I am assuming the answer is yes, otherwise this could get real messy. If they are not restricted to the 1/3 per day rule, then it means that anyone can play said race and have a bunch of magic that is not restricted in anyway. So, there you have it. LLMC Yes they are actually. -ToK |
| Ravashack10-02-05, 01:45 AM | (Case 1:) An augmented (2 PP) ML 1 powerstone of Vigor provides 15 hp for 1 min and costs 25 x 1 (power level) x 1 (ML) = 25 gp. (Case 2:) An augmented (2 PP) ML 3 powerstone of Vigor provides 15 hp for 3 min and costs 25 x 1 (power level) x 1 (ML) = 75 gp. Your augmentation examples are incorrect. Case 1) You can never augment above the Manifester level. Certain abilities raise your effective Manifester level IF you pay for it in some manner (HP for Overchannel, Wild Surge risk for Surges). This is an impossible situation, period. Case 2) An augmented 2 PP ML 3 powerstone of Vigor provides 10 hp for 3 minutes. |
| Iced10-02-05, 02:40 AM | can innate spellcasters use scrolls? |
| Luni10-02-05, 02:42 AM | Crovax faces off against some large scorpions? Will he triumph and make it to Gladius? Or will he merely be food? Find out here! (http://boards.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7400695&postcount=450) |
| TelinArtho10-02-05, 02:56 AM | @Pitlords - I see that you have updated the Characters thread with the free activity for Vakkor - however, the post that I link to (in the battles thread has not been updated). I would appreciate it if you could edit that in. Thanks /d |
| Vathelokai10-02-05, 03:01 AM | can innate spellcasters use scrolls?Only if they have a caster lv or if their racial HD count as being 'caster lv HD.' |
| NiQil10-02-05, 03:20 AM | Dameon Leonne vs Kraegin is up. As always, if there are any errors, the sooner I know, the better. |
| Luni10-02-05, 08:01 AM | Balbanes vs the Pale-Rider is up. Find it here! (http://boards.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7401497&postcount=452) |
| King Uther10-02-05, 08:20 AM | As you might think, I have a problem with some of the aspects of that fight. 1. Why wouldn't I withdraw to heal behind cover? That's just plain silly to try and heal when I know he only has to make a touch attack against me. 2. Magic Missile on just the hand? 2 missiles guaranteed kill the hand, with an extra that could target an image 3. Vampiric Touch does 2d6 damage Obviously, especially due to number 3, the fight is not over. |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-02-05, 08:27 AM | As you might think, I have a problem with some of the aspects of that fight. 1. Why wouldn't I withdraw to heal behind cover? That's just plain silly to try and heal when I know he only has to make a touch attack against me. 2. Magic Missile on just the hand? 2 missiles guaranteed kill the hand, with an extra that could target an image 3. Vampiric Touch does 2d6 damage Obviously, especially due to number 3, the fight is not over. I might be able to provide some kind of answers. 1. you would have to move, then draw a scroll, only having to heal the following round. My best guess is that it looked like you needed the healing right away. 2. Again, just working on the way i read it, is that with MM, no two targets can be more than 15' apart. If my hand was attacking you from medium range, it would be well farther than 15' from me. 3. When i read the dmg, i just assumed it was a crit. No answer for ya there. -ToK |
| Mind Rogue10-02-05, 10:54 AM | Alexi Wood vs Daeren Stronghammer is up. As always, if there are any errors, the sooner you can let me know, the better. Comments: Tactics (Kind of sad that I have to start here): I actually do get a +3 dodge bonus when fighting defensively because I have at least 5 ranks in tumble. The +6/-7 from using combat expertise and defensive fighting is +3/-3 from Expertise and +3/-4 from defensive fighting. So you see, I did have it right. Round 3: This is too many actions: drawing my mind blade (move), charging it (move) and readying to attack (standard). However, the mind blade remains charged because I missed, so really I only have to draw and ready. Round 4: Enlarge Person actually takes a full round to cast, although it doesn't matter because I missed. Round 6: Rage imposes another -2 penalty on Daeren's AC. It is reduced to 18. Round 11: As has been said, I can't step forward into his area. However, I can simply step backward, since he cannot charge someone within 15 ft of him because of his reach. Now I wonder if things would have been different without as much defensive junk. Probably not, although it looks like defensive fighting was a little superfluous. Without it, I would have actually gotten at least two more hits without letting anything additional in. Sadly, it looks like I was playing too defensively. |
| NiQil10-02-05, 01:03 PM | Comments: Tactics (Kind of sad that I have to start here): I actually do get a +3 dodge bonus when fighting defensively because I have at least 5 ranks in tumble. The +6/-7 from using combat expertise and defensive fighting is +3/-3 from Expertise and +3/-4 from defensive fighting. So you see, I did have it right. Round 3: This is too many actions: drawing my mind blade (move), charging it (move) and readying to attack (standard). However, the mind blade remains charged because I missed, so really I only have to draw and ready. Round 4: Enlarge Person actually takes a full round to cast, although it doesn't matter because I missed. Round 6: Rage imposes another -2 penalty on Daeren's AC. It is reduced to 18. Round 11: As has been said, I can't step forward into his area. However, I can simply step backward, since he cannot charge someone within 15 ft of him because of his reach. Now I wonder if things would have been different without as much defensive junk. Probably not, although it looks like defensive fighting was a little superfluous. Without it, I would have actually gotten at least two more hits without letting anything additional in. Sadly, it looks like I was playing too defensively. Tactics: I wasn't aware of that with regards to the tumble....will fix that. However, you can Combat Expertise up to your BAB, which is what you stated to do, so it would be -8 penalty to attack to get a +7 to your AC. Round 3: Noted, will fix. Round 4: Oops....will fix. Round 6: Damn...oops again...will fix. Roound 11: Already acknowledged....however....if you could show me the part about not being able to charge someone within 15 feet due to size, that would be appreciated. As Telin pointed out to me, he threatens both a 5 ft and 10 ft area around him....and you only have to be 10 ft away from someone to charge them. So if you go to 15 ft, he would be able to charge. So if there is something that says large sizes have that restriction, I'll certainly take it into account when I fix all this (I haven't seen anything of that nature so far). Also, bear in mind that the 5 ft steps I kept having him take were because of my misunderstanding of how Enlarge Person works. I was unaware that he still threatened 5 ft away from him. So the movement will change slightly in the rerun, since there is no need for him to keep backing up. |
| Sindorin10-02-05, 01:33 PM | Changes have been made in the Nexa and Zassl fight. It turned out to be rather close. Now my girlfriend is coming to see me within 10 or so minutes, and she doesn't like me doing CoCo and doesn't even know i still am playing here, so I must disappear for the rest of the day. |
| Usurpator10-02-05, 01:45 PM | Changes have been made in the Nexa and Zassl fight. It turned out to be rather close. Now my girlfriend is coming to see me within 10 or so minutes, and she doesn't like me doing CoCo and doesn't even know i still am playing here, so I must disappear for the rest of the day. Thanks for updating, now I can get on with updating Nexa's sheet for the coming quest. BTW, the concentration checks that Zassl had to make were too low, they should be 15 + spell level, not 10 + spell level (see entangled condition). It doesn't affect the outcome, though. |
| Maraxus10-02-05, 01:52 PM | Okay, there are still some (lot of ;)) minor errors that won't change the outcome, I think we can go with that. :) In the end it was not that clear anymore. |
| NiQil10-02-05, 01:59 PM | Rewrite of Alexi Wood vs Daeren Stronghammer is up. In the end, the only thing that changes is that Alexi saved himself his potion of cure moderate wounds by getting killed before ever getting to use it. |
| Iced10-02-05, 03:03 PM | And so the Avatar of life did fall to the pale rider and darkness settled over the world....;) |
| nightbanegod10-02-05, 03:49 PM | Crovax can get no love ... i swear... a nat 20! to hit and then a nat 1! for his opposed grapple check... all from a creature who is effectively mindless and imune to nearly his entire spell repretoir!!! i think this is just salt on fresh ogre/troll born wounds.... |
| Usurpator10-02-05, 04:00 PM | Crovax can get no love ... i swear... a nat 20! to hit and then a nat 1! for his opposed grapple check... all from a creature who is effectively mindless and imune to nearly his entire spell repretoir!!! i think this is just salt on fresh ogre/troll born wounds.... http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/Crovax_the_Cursed.jpg What more can I say.... :P |
| Luni10-02-05, 04:03 PM | As you might think, I have a problem with some of the aspects of that fight. 1. Why wouldn't I withdraw to heal behind cover? That's just plain silly to try and heal when I know he only has to make a touch attack against me. 2. Magic Missile on just the hand? 2 missiles guaranteed kill the hand, with an extra that could target an image 3. Vampiric Touch does 2d6 damage Obviously, especially due to number 3, the fight is not over. 1: Sure, I can add that in 2: Maybe I misinterpeted Spectral Hand, but I read it as if Pale-Rider misses, the Hand hovers near Balbanes. 3: Yeah. I thought it said 1d6/level. I'd change it. That means redoing from Vampiric Touch on. I'll fix it after I am done work. Just let me know if you see any more problems. |
| Mind Rogue10-02-05, 04:45 PM | Tactics: I wasn't aware of that with regards to the tumble....will fix that. However, you can Combat Expertise up to your BAB, which is what you stated to do, so it would be -8 penalty to attack to get a +7 to your AC. Round 3: Noted, will fix. Round 4: Oops....will fix. Round 6: Damn...oops again...will fix. Roound 11: Already acknowledged....however....if you could show me the part about not being able to charge someone within 15 feet due to size, that would be appreciated. As Telin pointed out to me, he threatens both a 5 ft and 10 ft area around him....and you only have to be 10 ft away from someone to charge them. So if you go to 15 ft, he would be able to charge. So if there is something that says large sizes have that restriction, I'll certainly take it into account when I fix all this (I haven't seen anything of that nature so far). Also, bear in mind that the 5 ft steps I kept having him take were because of my misunderstanding of how Enlarge Person works. I was unaware that he still threatened 5 ft away from him. So the movement will change slightly in the rerun, since there is no need for him to keep backing up. Ummm, my BaB is only +3. Soulknives have the x3/4 progression. Also, on the charge thing, it says "You must move to the closest space to which you can attack an opponent." It also says "You must move at least 10 ft". If I stand right outside of his reach, both of these conditions cannot coexist since the closest space which he can attack me is only 5 ft away. |
| NiQil10-02-05, 05:00 PM | Ummm, my BaB is only +3. Soulknives have the x3/4 progression. Also, on the charge thing, it says "You must move to the closest space to which you can attack an opponent." It also says "You must move at least 10 ft". If I stand right outside of his reach, both of these conditions cannot coexist since the closest space which he can attack me is only 5 ft away. I thought the Soulknife had a fighter attack progression...my bad. But as far as the charge, the first line you have there, saying that they must move to the closest space to which you can attack. The closest space would be 5 ft away, not 10. He can *also attack you from 10 ft away, but the way I read that is that you must get as close as possible, which would put him 5 ft away. Moving to 15 ft would put 10 ft between you, meeting the conditions for a charge. Now maybe my interpretation of that line is incorrect, but that is where I am coming from. It's moot anyway for this battle....but I'll keep it in mind for the future. |
| Cerebus1310-02-05, 05:15 PM | Devolved Sleestak vs Tak the Hungry (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7404665&postcount=453) is up. Let me know if there are any problems. |
| King Uther10-02-05, 05:42 PM | @Luni Sent you a PM outlinging a few things about the fight. @ToK Don't get your hopes up. |
| King Uther10-02-05, 05:59 PM | @Luni 2 things I failed to mention/should have ben more specific. He cannot drop a scroll in his lap as a free action. He just can't. Also, he does not start with LOS to me. As such, he would not step forward and shoot me to start. |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-02-05, 06:33 PM | I don't have to 5' to attack you King, i can just double move up to your starting position and still smack you. Dropping a scroll is a free action. Also, i have clear line of sight to you, the way i measure it. -ToK |
| King Uther10-02-05, 06:43 PM | How about the glitterdust? You don't mention painting me with your familiar so you can use it. Yet that is what happened. At least I don't remember that in your tactics. Also, the fight literally couldn't be over anyways simply because Vampiric touch does 2d6 and not 5d6. Not to mention a few other issues regarding tactical choices. One thing I don't like is tone of voice in typing. It's too hard to tell how a person is sounding. For note, this is not a mean tone in any way. I just want to make sure everything was done fairly. |
| King Uther10-02-05, 06:47 PM | Also, your final attack provokes an AoO. You could cast defensively, but that isn't mentioned in your tactics. The reason that you couldn't 5' step is that I threaten every square around you as I am above you[I think]. Plus you aren't written down as moving anyways. |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-02-05, 06:48 PM | How about the glitterdust? You don't mention painting me with your familiar so you can use it. Yet that is what happened. At least I don't remember that in your tactics. Also, the fight literally couldn't be over anyways simply because Vampiric touch does 2d6 and not 5d6. Not to mention a few other issues regarding tactical choices. One thing I don't like is tone of voice in typing. It's too hard to tell how a person is sounding. For note, this is not a mean tone in any way. I just want to make sure everything was done fairly. No no no...King..don't worry. I know your upset, but i in no way take it personally. And i know we both want it to be fair. But yes, it is stated in my tactics to have my familiar try to find you to glitterdust you if you go invis and i don't know where you are...read again. I'm 100% in agreement about the vamp touch. It's all cool brother. -ToK |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-02-05, 06:49 PM | Also, your final attack provokes an AoO. You could cast defensively, but that isn't mentioned in your tactics. The reason that you couldn't 5' step is that I threaten every square around you as I am above you[I think]. Plus you aren't written down as moving anyways. Ok...please don't be a Cat....you don't have to specify to cast defensively to do it. PLUS when you charge, you have to stop at the first avialable square...so you don't threaten everything around me, and if you'll note, i didn't cast anything anyhow....i performed a melee attack with my spectral hand. The had holds the charges of my chill touches. -ToK |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-02-05, 06:53 PM | King, it would be the same as you not specifying to 5' before casting to get away from my summons, so going that route with what you are saying, my fiendish hawks would should get 9 AoO's against you? no way. -ToK |
| King Uther10-02-05, 07:05 PM | My bad, I thought you actually had cast it that same round. And that part was more of in jest, if anything. You also didn't say to eat or drink during the week, so you start exhausted and sleep-deprivated. You might even be dead. |
| LLMadCow10-02-05, 07:08 PM | I would like to challenge that a Monster Fight should not occur within the Monster Arena if the Monster in question is going to be able to fly. My reasoning is that a part of the reason for using the Monster Arena was to prevent those who could fly from pummeling the non-flying monsters. LLMC |
| King Uther10-02-05, 07:11 PM | @LLMadcow I second that. The monster would get the benefit of the doubt. |
| Iced10-02-05, 07:17 PM | I'm going to run it in the arena LLMadCow, but i need your tactics first...;) |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-02-05, 07:23 PM | My bad, I thought you actually had cast it that same round. And that part was more of in jest, if anything. You also didn't say to eat or drink during the week, so you start exhausted and sleep-deprivated. You might even be dead. LOL LOL...now that's more like it. I love laughing. ROFLMAO! Too funny. Never heard that one yet... -ToK |
| Usurpator10-02-05, 07:35 PM | My bad, I thought you actually had cast it that same round. And that part was more of in jest, if anything. You also didn't say to eat or drink during the week, so you start exhausted and sleep-deprivated. You might even be dead. Careful examination of the Player’s Handbook and the Dungeon Master’s Guide will reveal that there are only a few specific references to sleeping: * Certain spells (sleep, deep slumber) can cause a condition called “sleeping”. This is apparently a status condition that is defined within the sleep spell description, rather than in the Glossary. The spell claims that, “Sleeping creatures are helpless.” * Wizards require 8 hours of rest to prepare spells, but specifically do NOT need to sleep. * Characters sleeping in medium or heavy armor are automatically fatigued. Characters sleeping in light armor are not. * Sleeping is required to remove the effects of the fatigued or exhausted condition statuses. * Sleeping inflicts a –10 penalty to Listen checks. * Elves do not need to sleep. However, it is not specified that other player races DO need to sleep. Therefore, we can conclude that while there may be some specific reasons your character might want to sleep—and a few magically induced situations when sleep is forced upon you—there is absolutely no rules support for sleep being required. Indeed, chances are you will want your character to never sleep again, since it leaves you open to being the recipient of a coup de grace due to helplessness. If you are having your character sleep every night, then you are deliberately exposing yourself to whatever traps your DM is setting for you in the night. If your DM is having you fall asleep naturally because you have stayed awake for 168 hours, then he is clearly abusing his powers as DM, and you should feel free to quote the relevant rules passages. In particular, ask him to show you the section where it says that characters are capable of inflicting the “sleeping” status upon themselves without magical assistance. ;) :P |
| Iced10-02-05, 07:46 PM | Careful examination of the Player’s Handbook and the Dungeon Master’s Guide will reveal that there are only a few specific references to sleeping: * Certain spells (sleep, deep slumber) can cause a condition called “sleeping”. This is apparently a status condition that is defined within the sleep spell description, rather than in the Glossary. The spell claims that, “Sleeping creatures are helpless.” * Wizards require 8 hours of rest to prepare spells, but specifically do NOT need to sleep. * Characters sleeping in medium or heavy armor are automatically fatigued. Characters sleeping in light armor are not. * Sleeping is required to remove the effects of the fatigued or exhausted condition statuses. * Sleeping inflicts a –10 penalty to Listen checks. * Elves do not need to sleep. However, it is not specified that other player races DO need to sleep. Therefore, we can conclude that while there may be some specific reasons your character might want to sleep—and a few magically induced situations when sleep is forced upon you—there is absolutely no rules support for sleep being required. Indeed, chances are you will want your character to never sleep again, since it leaves you open to being the recipient of a coup de grace due to helplessness. If you are having your character sleep every night, then you are deliberately exposing yourself to whatever traps your DM is setting for you in the night. If your DM is having you fall asleep naturally because you have stayed awake for 168 hours, then he is clearly abusing his powers as DM, and you should feel free to quote the relevant rules passages. In particular, ask him to show you the section where it says that characters are capable of inflicting the “sleeping” status upon themselves without magical assistance. ;) :P :surrender :raincloudYou're a serious DM nightmare! Remind me to NEVER allow you on one of my campaigns!...;) |
| Enterik10-02-05, 07:48 PM | ECL 3 - Devolved Sleestak (Enterik) vs Tak the Hungry (Oldmangray) (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=7404665#post7404665) @Cerebus13: You asserted that Devolved Sleestak does not have Tower Shield proficiency. I was under the impression that Lizardfolk are proficient with all shields because of the following... Weapon and Armor Proficiency: A lizardfolk is automatically proficient with simple weapons and shields. Now if that is meant to be read "and shields (except tower shields)" it would be clear. The problem is that, unlike every core character class, whether or not this shield proficiency includes tower shields is not stated explicitly. So I was equipping under the assumption that the default was all. If it is otherwise, I will have to take the substantial negative to hit modifier into consideration. Regarding Devolved stalling for 6 rounds while invisible, it was noticed that in his prior fight Tak drank the SoF in the first round, and being 10 rounds in duration, I thought with a couple of rounds of buffing and a couple of stalking, that Devolved could avoid being disqualified while getting on Bernoulli's better side. I had calculated the average damage to be quite close given our respective AC (without crits and with his SoF), so any edge seemed valuable. However, in reality, it really only served to annoy the pitlord :P In the end, I'm fine with the fight as ran. Thanks again. |
| King Uther10-02-05, 08:13 PM | Sorry for how late things might be, but I need to go take care of an emergency. Hopefully I'll be back on tonight. |
| TelinArtho10-02-05, 09:20 PM | @Niqil - there's three things about the fight between Dameon and Kraegin that I'd like to mention. First of all, from Dameon's tactics: Ok, at this point I am attacking him. At the moment I can attack, activate Charm (domain ability, whose result grants me 1 more net usage of Turn Undead per day) Activating his charm ability does not grant him 1 more usage of Turn Undead per day. This is, in essence, the same as using Eagle's Splendor - which would not increase a power's usage per day. I asked about this with reference to Sir Valkin back when he first started and this was the answer I was given. Given that, he only gets 2 divine mights - and the third one wouldn't be taken into account - so I'm still up with 2hp. Regardless of whether I am down or not, the spiritual weapons still attack after I am down as they continue to attack unless another target is specified or if the target moves out of LOS from the caster. Since he hasn't moved, he still gets attacked by the two weapons. Lastly, though it didn't affect any rolls, for some reason, you only applied a +8 bonus to some of the attacks made by the spiritual weapons. They should all be at +9. /d |
| waywreth10-02-05, 09:21 PM | Careful examination of the Player’s Handbook and the Dungeon Master’s... Therefore, we can conclude that while there may be some specific reasons your character might want to sleep—and a few magically induced situations when sleep is forced upon you—there is absolutely no rules support for sleep being required. ... last panel (http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript?SK=224). |
| Emrys Donovan10-02-05, 09:42 PM | Blah blah blah...both disarmers...blah blah blah. :P You've seen Sebastians modifier for avoiding being disarmed, right (+28 (+4 size difference))? Its more like a disarmer (me) against a theif with uncontrollable fits of the shakes (you). ;) You would need to roll at least a 19 to win (if I only rolled a 1). |
| Luni10-02-05, 10:22 PM | Activating his charm ability does not grant him 1 more usage of Turn Undead per day. This is, in essence, the same as using Eagle's Splendor - which would not increase a power's usage per day. I asked about this with reference to Sir Valkin back when he first started and this was the answer I was given. Given that, he only gets 2 divine mights - and the third one wouldn't be taken into account - so I'm still up with 2hp. Actually, from the FaQ: Page 2. Things get a little stickier when talking about powers with daily limits, such as turn/rebuke undead or lay on hands. (Hold on, because this gets worse before it gets better.) In this case, a change to the key ability score indeed affects the daily limit— in the example above, the cleric would gain 2 additional turn/rebuke attempts per day—but these aren’t just “free” uses. Here’s why: Assume the cleric above has a normal Charisma score of 12, granting him 4 turn attempts per day (3 + 1 for Cha bonus). Casting eagle’s splendor increases his Charisma to 16, which would grant 6 attempts per day. At the end of the spell, however, his daily limit would drop back down to 4 attempts. At that point, the player must compare the number of daily uses expended to the daily limit to see if any still remain. Here’s how that might work in play. Our cleric turns undead twice, then casts eagle’s splendor right before a big fight with a horde of zombies. During the duration of the spell, he makes four more turning checks. When the spell ends, he compares his new daily limit (4) to the number of attempts used (6)—whoops, no turns left. Hope all the undead have been destroyed, because even if the cleric cast eagle’s splendor again, he wouldn’t have any more turning attempts available, since he’s already used all 6 of his allotted attempts. If he could increase his Charisma to 18, he’d “gain” one more turning attempt (since he has now used 6 out of his allotted 7 daily attempts), usable only during the duration of the Charismaboosting effect. It is confusing. |
| Mind Rogue10-02-05, 10:40 PM | Rebreg vs Solon is up. Reasonably short story short, Horus never got to attack (although everyone else did). I'm kind of amazed, however, that I actually found the time to run the match. |
| TelinArtho10-02-05, 11:00 PM | @Luni- Its ironic that you respond with that quote now... when I asked the question about Lay on hands, you were the one that responded giving me an explanation otherwise. For reference, here's the two posts made then: Original post about the issue (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6851140&postcount=1363) Alright, here's a question: You have a paladin (lvl 2) with the lay on hands ability and a charisma of 12. Normally, he can heal 2 hp/day with his ability. Then he finds a Cloak of Charisma +2, which increases his charisma to 14. Now he can use his ability to heal 4hp/day - right? Well what about using a scroll of Eagle's Splendor? Can he heal up to his new charisma score bonus * lvl within the duration of the spell? Luni's response (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6851335&postcount=1365) I'm pretty sure it has to be all day. So, if you found a lvl 3600 scroll of Eagles Splendor, you could heal more. Of course, you can use the scroll of eagles splendor to up your smite damage. |
| Book510-02-05, 11:19 PM | :P You've seen Sebastians modifier for avoiding being disarmed, right (+28 (+4 size difference))? Its more like a disarmer (me) against a theif with uncontrollable fits of the shakes (you). ;) You would need to roll at least a 19 to win (if I only rolled a 1). Note: Tan's Tactics include "dont try and disarm sebastion" ;) |
| Cerebus1310-02-05, 11:22 PM | ECL 3 - Devolved Sleestak (Enterik) vs Tak the Hungry (Oldmangray) (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=7404665#post7404665) @Cerebus13: You asserted that Devolved Sleestak does not have Tower Shield proficiency. I was under the impression that Lizardfolk are proficient with all shields because of the following... Now if that is meant to be read "and shields (except tower shields)" it would be clear. The problem is that, unlike every core character class, whether or not this shield proficiency includes tower shields is not stated explicitly. So I was equipping under the assumption that the default was all. If it is otherwise, I will have to take the substantial negative to hit modifier into consideration. Regarding Devolved stalling for 6 rounds while invisible, it was noticed that in his prior fight Tak drank the SoF in the first round, and being 10 rounds in duration, I thought with a couple of rounds of buffing and a couple of stalking, that Devolved could avoid being disqualified while getting on Bernoulli's better side. I had calculated the average damage to be quite close given our respective AC (without crits and with his SoF), so any edge seemed valuable. However, in reality, it really only served to annoy the pitlord :P In the end, I'm fine with the fight as ran. Thanks again.Never caught that in the Lizardfolk description, but since they simply say "shields" I would think that it applies to all of them. |
| Luni10-02-05, 11:28 PM | @Luni- Its ironic that you respond with that quote now... when I asked the question about Lay on hands, you were the one that responded giving me an explanation otherwise. For reference, here's the two posts made then: Original post about the issue (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6851140&postcount=1363) Luni's response (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6851335&postcount=1365) Sorry. I found that section recently. I didn't know better back in August. I forgot all about the discussion. |
| TelinArtho10-02-05, 11:38 PM | Its not a problem, I just thought it was interesting... Anyway - the spiritual weapon issue remains. |
| Vathelokai10-03-05, 12:05 AM | Ummm...It's not really 'rules as written' but can someone who is unconcious really have LOS? Helpless: A helpless character is paralyzed, held, bound, sleeping, unconscious, or otherwise completely at an opponent’s mercy. A helpless target is treated as having a Dexterity of 0 (–5 modifier). Melee attacks against a helpless target get a +4 bonus (equivalent to attacking a prone target). Ranged attacks gets no special bonus against helpless targets. Rogues can sneak attack helpless targets.Unconscious: Knocked out and helpless. Unconsciousness can result from having current hit points between –1 and –9, or from nonlethal damage in excess of current hit points....Can't find the line of sight section however. |
| SauroGrenom10-03-05, 01:12 AM | Rebreg vs Solon is up. Reasonably short story short, Horus never got to attack (although everyone else did). I'm kind of amazed, however, that I actually found the time to run the match. I continue to be dumbfounded with Rebreg. :raincloud: Foremost, I'd like to thankyou for finding the time to run the match. None the less, I must point out a couple things about the battle that bother me a bit. First, the DC10 handle animal check to tell his horse to attack is not mentioned, and would drastically change the course of the fight if it is failed (25%chance). Also when the horse takes damage, a second check must be made because the DC increases +2 and any time that a DC increases a new check must be made. Also in the 6th round, the position of the color spray would require that the horse make a save as well as Rebreg and before Rebreg's action in the turn. If the Horse fails the save Rebreg will not waist the action used to attack the Horse. Lastly I must ask why in this battle Rebreg tried to close with Solon on the 6th round? Assuming that the Horse makes the Will Save, this move gains Rebreg nothing because he has already used his standard action and cannot attack this round. The net effect is offering his opponent an AoO with no tangible benifit to Rebreg. This could not be to get safely inside the range that is threatened by Solon. Solon takes his action after Rebreg does, so there is nothing to prevent him from using the obvious 5' step and attack strategy, then drawing another AoO on Rebreg's next attempt to close. In effect moving into Solon's range grants an AoO for no gain that I can see. The most prudent thing for Rebreg to do in this instance is to stall untill he can move in for a grapple on his own turn. Assuming that none of the other details change the course of the fight, I see two courses of action for Rebreg after he drops the horse in Round 6: 1- Rebreg stands in his spot and doesn't move at all at the end of his turn (probably suffering an attack from Horus). Then Solon may hit him with his spear. Rebreg will then take a 5'step into base contact with Solon on his turn and Rebreg will fullattack to start a grapple. 2- Rebreg stands in his spot (or moves behind cover) at the end of his turn. Solon tries to hit him with a color spray from a scroll (as per the tactics) and ends his turn with the spear on the ground, then Rebreg get's hit by the familiar (for 1-2hp). If Rebreg makes the Will save(50%chance), on Rebreg's turn he charges into a grapple with Solon. In case 2 Solon would end his turn without the spear in hand because he would require a move action to draw the scroll, then standard action to cast the spell. No actions would remain to pick up the spear, and he would need both hands to cast the spell: 1 to hold the scroll and 1 for the spells somatic component. If the Horse falls due to the color spray, Rebreg can get into base contact with Solon and not draw any AoO on the way. All he has to do is move within 10' as a normal move, and this will not draw an AoO, and 5'step into base contact, then try a touch attack for the grapple. You only draw an AoO for moving out of a threatined square, but you can avoid it with a 5'step. |
| NiQil10-03-05, 02:11 AM | @Niqil - there's three things about the fight between Dameon and Kraegin that I'd like to mention. First of all, from Dameon's tactics: Activating his charm ability does not grant him 1 more usage of Turn Undead per day. This is, in essence, the same as using Eagle's Splendor - which would not increase a power's usage per day. I asked about this with reference to Sir Valkin back when he first started and this was the answer I was given. Given that, he only gets 2 divine mights - and the third one wouldn't be taken into account - so I'm still up with 2hp. Regardless of whether I am down or not, the spiritual weapons still attack after I am down as they continue to attack unless another target is specified or if the target moves out of LOS from the caster. Since he hasn't moved, he still gets attacked by the two weapons. Lastly, though it didn't affect any rolls, for some reason, you only applied a +8 bonus to some of the attacks made by the spiritual weapons. They should all be at +9. /d With regard to the spiritual weapons, the spell does state that if you lose line of sight on your opponent, they will return to your side and hover. With you being unconscious, you have lost that line of sight, which is why they hovered there at the end. Unless you know of some way to still see someone unconscious :D Also, I went back and looked at the attack modifiers for the spiritual weapons...and yes...in, I think, 2 rounds I used an 8 instead of a 9...and I think I know why. In the first round I did it, Kraegin had a roll of some kind that had a +8 modifier to it, and I think I just kept using that number for some reason LOL. However, in the instances where I did do that, the correct modifier would not change anything, so I'm not going to bother with it unless there is another issue that needs to be changed. If the Charm issue has not been settled to your satisfaction, feel free to say so, and we can dig into it further. I honestly did not look at a rule when I did that, I just went with what I was pretty sure was correct. So if I'm wrong, certainly I will change it. |
| TelinArtho10-03-05, 02:39 AM | @NiQil - nope I'm fine with the fight at this point - though I think I've seen spiritual weapons continue on when people went unconscious in other cases (don't have any in my mind right now, though). The rule on the charm thing just sucks - though it wouldn't have changed my tactics at all. Anyway, I guess that means that Kraegin suffers another loss before his quest... At least he's level 5 now... |
| Luni10-03-05, 03:21 AM | Balbanes vs Pale rider has been altered. It has morphed into two posts. Fight results are Here (http://boards.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7408638&postcount=456) |
| Luni10-03-05, 12:23 PM | Sorry, but can someone pick up Brilf & Hagrid vs Virgo? I just don't have the time to run it anymore. I'll fw. all 4 PM. |
| King Uther10-03-05, 12:47 PM | @Luni Balbanes doesn't ave to make a CL check to cast a True Strike Scroll. Therefore the acid arrow hits a round earlier and Shocking Grasp is cast earlier as well because I believe I had only 1 True Strike and not 2. I wouldn't have to cast defensively since I wouldn't have closed yet. Also, the horse doesn't have reach and if I am in the air he couldn't attack me. |
| Mind Rogue10-03-05, 01:47 PM | I continue to be dumbfounded with Rebreg. :raincloud: Foremost, I'd like to thankyou for finding the time to run the match. None the less, I must point out a couple things about the battle that bother me a bit. First, the DC10 handle animal check to tell his horse to attack is not mentioned, and would drastically change the course of the fight if it is failed (25%chance). Also when the horse takes damage, a second check must be made because the DC increases +2 and any time that a DC increases a new check must be made. Also in the 6th round, the position of the color spray would require that the horse make a save as well as Rebreg and before Rebreg's action in the turn. If the Horse fails the save Rebreg will not waist the action used to attack the Horse. Lastly I must ask why in this battle Rebreg tried to close with Solon on the 6th round? Assuming that the Horse makes the Will Save, this move gains Rebreg nothing because he has already used his standard action and cannot attack this round. The net effect is offering his opponent an AoO with no tangible benifit to Rebreg. This could not be to get safely inside the range that is threatened by Solon. Solon takes his action after Rebreg does, so there is nothing to prevent him from using the obvious 5' step and attack strategy, then drawing another AoO on Rebreg's next attempt to close. In effect moving into Solon's range grants an AoO for no gain that I can see. The most prudent thing for Rebreg to do in this instance is to stall untill he can move in for a grapple on his own turn. Assuming that none of the other details change the course of the fight, I see two courses of action for Rebreg after he drops the horse in Round 6: 1- Rebreg stands in his spot and doesn't move at all at the end of his turn (probably suffering an attack from Horus). Then Solon may hit him with his spear. Rebreg will then take a 5'step into base contact with Solon on his turn and Rebreg will fullattack to start a grapple. 2- Rebreg stands in his spot (or moves behind cover) at the end of his turn. Solon tries to hit him with a color spray from a scroll (as per the tactics) and ends his turn with the spear on the ground, then Rebreg get's hit by the familiar (for 1-2hp). If Rebreg makes the Will save(50%chance), on Rebreg's turn he charges into a grapple with Solon. In case 2 Solon would end his turn without the spear in hand because he would require a move action to draw the scroll, then standard action to cast the spell. No actions would remain to pick up the spear, and he would need both hands to cast the spell: 1 to hold the scroll and 1 for the spells somatic component. If the Horse falls due to the color spray, Rebreg can get into base contact with Solon and not draw any AoO on the way. All he has to do is move within 10' as a normal move, and this will not draw an AoO, and 5'step into base contact, then try a touch attack for the grapple. You only draw an AoO for moving out of a threatined square, but you can avoid it with a 5'step. Woo-hoo. Yay run-ons. Okay, I've added in the initial handle animal check. Unfortunatly, I don't spot any notice saying that if the animal becomes injured, an additional check is necessary, just that if it is injured when you use the skill, the DC is higher. In round 6, the color spray actually doesn't hit Darkwind. The grid instead looks something like this: O O O 0 c O O O O c c O O S c c R O O O O D D O O O O D D O Oh, and his tactics said to hit you with Color Spray from memory, so he doesn't have to drop anything. I also changed it so you stand in place. Since you have nothing better to do, you complete your flurry to try to beat a dying horse to death. |
| NiQil10-03-05, 01:56 PM | With regard to the Handle Animal/injury issue: Handle an Animal: This task involves commanding an animal to perform a task or trick that it knows. If the animal is wounded or has taken any nonlethal damage or ability score damage, the DC increases by 2. If your check succeeds, the animal performs the task or trick on its next action. “Push” an Animal: To push an animal means to get it to perform a task or trick that it doesn’t know but is physically capable of performing. This category also covers making an animal perform a forced march or forcing it to hustle for more than 1 hour between sleep cycles. If the animal is wounded or has taken any nonlethal damage or ability score damage, the DC increases by 2. If your check succeeds, the animal performs the task or trick on its next action. Emphasis mine. Bear in mind (and this is solely my interpretation...I have yet to look for text to back it up) that with the above quote, it implies that you must make a check each round. It does not say that you do, and it does not say that you don't, but it does say that after the check, it will perform the task or trick on its next action.....it says nothing about it continuing beyond that next action. At the very least, when changing the action, a new check would be required. Also (and I have no idea if this is relavent to the issue), handling an animal is a move action, while pushing an animal is a full round action (except with regards to rangers/druids and their companions, which then can handle as a free action and push as a move action) |
| SoulLord10-03-05, 02:11 PM | Sorry, but can someone pick up Brilf & Hagrid vs Virgo? I just don't have the time to run it anymore. I'll fw. all 4 PM. If no one else takes it by 6:00 pm I'll do it. So send me the PM's with the strategy Just in Case no one volunteers. |
| Luni10-03-05, 02:38 PM | @Luni Balbanes doesn't ave to make a CL check to cast a True Strike Scroll. Therefore the acid arrow hits a round earlier and Shocking Grasp is cast earlier as well because I believe I had only 1 True Strike and not 2. I wouldn't have to cast defensively since I wouldn't have closed yet. Also, the horse doesn't have reach and if I am in the air he couldn't attack me. You are right about the errant CL checks. But, I have to use the same rolls, so the 1 rolled for the CL of True Strike becomes the CL of Acid Arrow. Which fails, fails the next round roll was 4+1, but is cast the third round and crits, even without the True Strike - If I am visible when I cast acid arrow, instead cast true strike first and Dive+Charge with schocking grasp instead of with Glaive. If ALter Self is off, instead ready vs casting with Bow. Balbanes doesn't have Reach with shocking grasp. So Balbanes, skips the true strike phase, casts Shocking Grasp and dives/touches next round. If Balbanes can touch Pale-Rider, Pestilence can attack Balbanes. So, if Balbanes can touch and roll max damage with shocking grasp, the fight is changed. If he fails to kill Pale-Rider, he dies anyways. Edit: Balbanes charges and hits for 8 damage. In return, Pale-Rider crits with shocking grasp thanks to the -2 penalty to AC of Balbanes. Pestilence finishes Balbanes off. |
| King Uther10-03-05, 04:23 PM | It would be physically imposible for the horse to attack me. I mean that totally. His hoofs cannot attack above him. That would be retarded. I am asking for a little bit of logic here. I am not saying I have reach with shocking grasp, but that if I am hovering in the air Pestilence doesn't even have the opportunity to attack. |
| TelinArtho10-03-05, 04:28 PM | Regardless of whether it is "logical" - this is the way the rules work. Its a little wonky - but at the same time, it just makes it easier to say that if you are directly next to someone they can attack you. So in the case of flying above a horse, it can attack you. However, I don't think it really takes much for a horse to attack someone who just touched the rider. The horse rears back and strikes with its hooves. This is why there's a ride check to attack while the mount is attacking. |
| King Uther10-03-05, 04:31 PM | 3 last things to note. 1: Pale didn't hit me in round 25 because his to hit was reduced for being entangled. 2: If you're using past rolls to determine damage and attacks, you should use the first 5d6 off of the original shocking grasp damage, which equals 22. 3: Pale also takes 2d4 damage during that same round where the shocking grasp hits, meaning that he dies if the acid takes more than 4 damage. ALso, it would take 2d4 the next round, meaning if he knocked me out I could still kill him the next round via acid and have a stabilization contest. |
| Pitlords10-03-05, 04:36 PM | 3 last things to note. 1: Pale didn't hit me in round 25 because his to hit was reduced for being entangled. 2: If you're using past rolls to determine damage and attacks, you should use the first 5d6 off of the original shocking grasp damage, which equals 22. 3: Pale also takes 2d4 damage during that same round where the shocking grasp hits, meaning that he dies if the acid takes more than 4 damage. ALso, it would take 2d4 the next round, meaning if he knocked me out I could still kill him the next round via acid and have a stabilization contest. Pale is entangled, not the hand. The hand is incorporeal anyhow, and so would still hit. As an avid horse rider, i can tell you from much experience when a horse rears up, it can reach around 12' in height...and i'm just talking about normal riding horses. These are larger, trained mounts for combat. To rear up and attack with a hoof, makes easy sense if you've ever lived on a farm and been around a lot of horses/animals like i have. -ToK |
| Usurpator10-03-05, 04:46 PM | It would be physically imposible for the horse to attack me. I mean that totally. His hoofs cannot attack above him. That would be retarded. I am asking for a little bit of logic here. I am not saying I have reach with shocking grasp, but that if I am hovering in the air Pestilence doesn't even have the opportunity to attack. If we are going to take logic and physical impossibilities into consideration, we might as well stop arena fights all together.... The rules are fairly clear on the ability of his horse attacking you from that position, not much interpretion required. |
| NiQil10-03-05, 04:47 PM | It would be physically imposible for the horse to attack me. I mean that totally. His hoofs cannot attack above him. That would be retarded. I am asking for a little bit of logic here. I am not saying I have reach with shocking grasp, but that if I am hovering in the air Pestilence doesn't even have the opportunity to attack. Considering, by D&D rules, that a horse has 10 ft reach due to being a large creature, if you are close enough to make a touch attack on it's rider, you would definitely be within it's reach, if looked at in 3D. |
| TelinArtho10-03-05, 04:53 PM | Actually, NiQil - you mispeak a little there. A horse is a Large (Long) Creature - which gives it a space of 10ft (cube) and a reach of 5ft. This is as opposed to say an ogre who is a large (tall) creature, occupying a space of 10ft (cube) and has a reach of 10ft. |
| Mind Rogue10-03-05, 04:55 PM | With regard to the Handle Animal/injury issue: Emphasis mine. Bear in mind (and this is solely my interpretation...I have yet to look for text to back it up) that with the above quote, it implies that you must make a check each round. It does not say that you do, and it does not say that you don't, but it does say that after the check, it will perform the task or trick on its next action.....it says nothing about it continuing beyond that next action. At the very least, when changing the action, a new check would be required. Also (and I have no idea if this is relavent to the issue), handling an animal is a move action, while pushing an animal is a full round action (except with regards to rangers/druids and their companions, which then can handle as a free action and push as a move action) Those lines you bolded do not say that another check is necessary if the animal becomes injured: it merely says that if the animal has been previously injured, the DC is 2 higher than normal. |
| NiQil10-03-05, 05:04 PM | Those lines you bolded do not say that another check is necessary if the animal becomes injured: it merely says that if the animal has been previously injured, the DC is 2 higher than normal. Didn't I say as much in my post? I said that I was posting the relevant portion from the SRD. I also said, below the quote, that I interpreted them to mean that they do that, with no text whatsoever to back me up. That it was solely my opinion. |
| NiQil10-03-05, 05:07 PM | Actually, NiQil - you mispeak a little there. A horse is a Large (Long) Creature - which gives it a space of 10ft (cube) and a reach of 5ft. This is as opposed to say an ogre who is a large (tall) creature, occupying a space of 10ft (cube) and has a reach of 10ft. Ack...yer right. I forgot about the long/tall differentiations with regard to large and above. But even so, a horse should easily be able to rear up and attack something 5 ft above it. Especially since I seriously doubt that it's rider is taller than 5 ft from hips to head (which is where I assume the touch attack would occur....there or the shoulder). Think of it a little like a bear rearing up on it's hind legs to fight...kinda the same principle. |
| SoulLord10-03-05, 05:16 PM | Sorry, but can someone pick up Brilf & Hagrid vs Virgo? I just don't have the time to run it anymore. I'll fw. all 4 PM. promotes the fight....... Its a good fight ladies & gentleman. Come closer you sir yes I'm talking to you don't you want to run this beautiful fight? It has beloved and famous gladiators on it. Come on come on |
| Emrys Donovan10-03-05, 06:00 PM | Ok, the Anya vs Piro (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7411534&postcount=458) fight is up. Now, I need a favor. Some RL stuff with my best friend just popped up, and I won't be able to run my second fight as this will occupy me for a while. The fight is Axhind vs Coralias Tahlron. I have Axhind's tactics, and can forward them. Thanks a million to whoever wants to take this one for me. |
| NiQil10-03-05, 06:05 PM | Ok, the Anya vs Piro (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7411534&postcount=458) fight is up. Now, I need a favor. Some RL stuff with my best friend just popped up, and I won't be able to run my second fight as this will occupy me for a while. The fight is Axhind vs Coralias Tahlron. I have Axhind's tactics, and can forward them. Thanks a million to whoever wants to take this one for me. I can also forward my tactics if you aren't around....am I correct in assuming (based on what you posted that I am quoting) that you received no tactics for my opponent? |
| Emrys Donovan10-03-05, 06:14 PM | I can also forward my tactics if you aren't around....am I correct in assuming (based on what you posted that I am quoting) that you received no tactics for my opponent? Correct. I need to be off now, thanks guys. |
| Mind Rogue10-03-05, 06:28 PM | Ok, the Anya vs Piro (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7411534&postcount=458) fight is up. Now, I need a favor. Some RL stuff with my best friend just popped up, and I won't be able to run my second fight as this will occupy me for a while. The fight is Axhind vs Coralias Tahlron. I have Axhind's tactics, and can forward them. Thanks a million to whoever wants to take this one for me. I'm looking at Invisible Castle and I'm having trouble finding some of these rolls here. Specifically, my readied action in round four is listed as being a 21: plenty to hit without any note on a reason why it would miss. It also appears to be lacking any of the three saves that I had to make as well as the damage that I took as a result of the CdG that happened as a result of those failed saves. Not that I don't trust you, but I like to check numbers. |
| waywreth10-03-05, 09:42 PM | I'm gnashing my teeth in anticipation. Our sets of tactics seem to have both presumed we'd do something, and neither of us is doing it... Who will win? (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7406074&postcount=454) (this is Casgish vs. Guy who isn't a prince) :smirk: |
| Emrys Donovan10-03-05, 11:09 PM | I'm looking at Invisible Castle and I'm having trouble finding some of these rolls here. Specifically, my readied action in round four is listed as being a 21: plenty to hit without any note on a reason why it would miss. It also appears to be lacking any of the three saves that I had to make as well as the damage that I took as a result of the CdG that happened as a result of those failed saves. Not that I don't trust you, but I like to check numbers. Crap...I must have not entered a name in on those rolls...I could have sworn I did...Well, I guess thats what happens when I try to listen to my friend and roll dice at the same time...I'm terribly sorry. I can try to re-run the fight from round 4 on Tuesday if you want... |
| Huan10-03-05, 11:58 PM | Bare-bones of Vakkor vs Shakari (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7414734) is up. Short version: Oh lord, one of the combatants had unbelieveably TERRIBLE rolls. It made me feel sorry for them... |
| nightbanegod10-04-05, 12:15 AM | a question of status.... does a stunned character who is blind considered helpless and therefore able to be CDGed? |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-04-05, 01:15 AM | a question of status.... does a stunned character who is blind considered helpless and therefore able to be CDGed? Nope. Stunned does not make you helpless, and neither does blind. Even combine them together, you are not helpless or susceptible to CDG's. -ToK |
| nightbanegod10-04-05, 01:32 AM | Nope. Stunned does not make you helpless, and neither does blind. Even combine them together, you are not helpless or susceptible to CDG's. -ToK no biggie... he was still stunned and got stabbed to death ... repeatedly ... and on that note.. i just need to work out EXP for respective parties then ill post winnings tomorrow afternoon. but thier fight is up here casgish vs aramur (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7406074&postcount=454) |
| SoulLord10-04-05, 02:46 AM | Hagrid and Brilf vs Virgo fight (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7415725&postcount=461) Too tired to calculate rewards If anyone feels like doing it I'll appreciate it. |
| Usurpator10-04-05, 02:55 AM | no biggie... he was still stunned and got stabbed to death ... repeatedly ... and on that note.. i just need to work out EXP for respective parties then ill post winnings tomorrow afternoon. but thier fight is up here casgish vs aramur (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7406074&postcount=454) Hey, Nightbanegod, thank you for running it. Poor Aramur, failing his Will save... There are few two things I like to see corrected, though, before you start finalizing the rewards: 1. Owly has only 9 hp not, 12 hp (since Casgish has 19 and Owly has half his hit points) This means that Owl cannot throw that second Tanglefoot Bag later in the fight because Aramur took the familiar to 0 hp. with his sling. 2. Being entangled (which he actually isn't, see 1.) doesn't prevent Aramur from taking actions. 3. The stun and blinding dissipates just before Casgish initiative in round 7, which means that Aramur is back at AC 17 when Casgish attacks, causing that attack to miss. 4. Aramur is before Casgish in the initiative order, he isn't blinded nor stunned in rond 8, why doesn't he do anything? My tactics are fairly specific on this: he should rage, draw his guisarme and attack Casgish. This fight ain't over yet..... not by a long shot.... |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-04-05, 03:41 AM | Hagrid and Brilf vs Virgo fight (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7415725&postcount=461) Too tired to calculate rewards If anyone feels like doing it I'll appreciate it. Hmm...i didn't know you were taking over the fight. Thanks a million Soullord, you just saved me 6 to 7 hours. -ToK |
| Pittbull10-04-05, 04:23 AM | Hagrid and Brilf vs Virgo fight (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7415725&postcount=461) Too tired to calculate rewards If anyone feels like doing it I'll appreciate it. Thanks for running it! I didn't check it for mistakes having no time. But I try to calculate the rewards. Brilf and Hagrid get together 4200XP(ECL9)x (9[Virgo's ECLmax]/7[Shaylynn's CR])= 5400XP/3(losing)=1800XP---> 900XP for Hagrid and Brilf each. Oh, I forgot the cap: Hagrid and Brilf get max XP for losing a fight that makes Ecl7x100=700XP. Brilf and Hagrid get 1500gp(ECL9-losing)x (9/7)=1929/2= 964,5 each. Virgo gets 1350XP(ECL7)x2=2700gp x (7/9)= 2100XP Virgo gets 2600gp(ECL7)x2=5200gp x (7/9)= 4044gp |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-04-05, 04:40 AM | Thanks for running it! I didn't check it for mistakes having no time. But I try to calculate the rewards. Brilf and Hagrid get together 4200XP(ECL9)x (9[Virgo's ECLmax]/7[Shaylynn's CR])= 5400XP/3(losing)=1800XP---> 900XP for Hagrid and Brilf each. Oh, I forgot the cap: Hagrid and Brilf get max XP for losing a fight that makes Ecl7x100=700XP. Brilf and Hagrid get 1500gp(ECL9-losing)x (9/7)=1929/2= 964,5 each. Virgo gets 1350XP(ECL7)x2=2700gp x (7/9)= 2100XP Virgo gets 2600gp(ECL7)x2=5200gp x (7/9)= 4044gp I believe the cap is only a gold cap, not an xp cap. -ToK |
| Pittbull10-04-05, 04:46 AM | I believe the cap is only a gold cap, not an xp cap. -ToK No it's the XP which are capped! If you lose the fight, you get only 1/3 of the XP you would have gotten if you had won it. Also, you can never get more XP than 100 * (your current ECL) by losing a fight. For example, if you are ECL 12 and you lose against an ECL 15 gladiator, you should gain (10,800/3) = 3,600 XP. However, the rule limiting XP in case of a loss cuts that down to 1,200 XP gained. |
| Delusional Illusion10-04-05, 04:55 AM | NiQil: according to the Tavern thread you're taking over the fight between Wlandra and Dire Flame. I've forwarded you Wlandra's tactics by email in case you can't get them from Altaris13. |
| NiQil10-04-05, 11:31 AM | NiQil: according to the Tavern thread you're taking over the fight between Wlandra and Dire Flame. I've forwarded you Wlandra's tactics by email in case you can't get them from Altaris13. I apologize if there was confusion, but I was actually saying to Tellish that if he can get the tactics for that fight, that he should do it first, since it was already a holdover from last week. However, I did receive your tactics, and I will forward them to him. |
| King Uther10-04-05, 11:41 AM | I should get the average EL9 experience and gold, not 2 EL7s. |
| TelinArtho10-04-05, 11:45 AM | Bare-bones of Vakkor vs Shakari (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7414734) is up. Short version: Oh lord, one of the combatants had unbelieveably TERRIBLE rolls. It made me feel sorry for them... Terrible rolls plus Vakkor was severely overmatched... Anyway, one glimpse of benefit is that Crabbe is only 1/2CR, so he is only 6.25% penalty for me - not 12.5%. If you could adjust the awards, that would be great thanks. /d |
| waywreth10-04-05, 11:48 AM | Hey, Nightbanegod, thank you for running it. Poor Aramur, failing his Will save... There are few two things I like to see corrected, though, before you start finalizing the rewards: 1. Owly has only 9 hp not, 12 hp (since Casgish has 19 and Owly has half his hit points) This means that Owl cannot throw that second Tanglefoot Bag later in the fight because Aramur took the familiar to 0 hp. with his sling. 2. Being entangled (which he actually isn't, see 1.) doesn't prevent Aramur from taking actions. 3. The stun and blinding dissipates just before Casgish initiative in round 7, which means that Aramur is back at AC 17 when Casgish attacks, causing that attack to miss. EDIT: Actually as you're prone it would hit as I get an additional +4 to hit, and I should be getting a +1 to hit since I have height advantage. <as noted in the next post this is incorrect> 4. Aramur is before Casgish in the initiative order, he isn't blinded nor stunned in rond 8, why doesn't he do anything? My tactics are fairly specific on this: he should rage, draw his guisarme and attack Casgish. This fight ain't over yet..... not by a long shot.... This is true, however before the stun wears off, I asked in my tactics for the following: If he still lives, draw and cast sleep then CDG. If sleep fails charge him with lance. So what should happen is he shoots my familiar with a sling bullet (BOOO!) and then he gets color sprayed. I would then attempt to cast sleep per my tactics, followed either by a CDG on a failed will save, or a charge on a successful one. EDIT2: I will update my familiar's HP after this fight to the correct amount. |
| SoulLord10-04-05, 12:23 PM | I should get the average EL9 experience and gold, not 2 EL7s. So it should be +2700 gp and +2700 xp ? |
| Usurpator10-04-05, 12:26 PM | Actually as you're prone it would hit as I get an additional +4 to hit, and I should be getting a +1 to hit since I have height advantage. Why would Aramur be prone? You don't fall down when you get stunned. This is true, however before the stun wears off, I asked in my tactics for the following: If he still lives, draw and cast sleep then CDG. If sleep fails charge him with lance. I disagree, that's not what you wrote in your tactics at all. You wrote to charge with ride-by-attack after the color-spray succeeded, not to cast a sleep spell. But since you retreated into the central stack and were only 5 ft. away, charging would be a bit futile, you have to back up and don't have the room. I think that letting Casgish make regular attacks is a valid adaptation of your tactics by Nightbanegod for the situation. So what should happen is he shoots my familiar with a sling bullet (BOOO!) and then he gets color sprayed. I would then attempt to cast sleep per my tactics, followed either by a CDG on a failed will save, or a charge on a successful one. As explained before: no, you wouldn't. It's not in your tactics. It is reasonable adaptation to attempt it after your attacks failed to kill Aramur while he was stunned. But then: 1. First Aramur's gets his action. 2. You stow your lance and draw a scroll (costing you one round of actions). 3. You start casting sleep (another round of actions) 4. You finish casting sleep and, if it succeeds, you back up while drawing lance. 5. You charge That's a full five rounds more, and you can be dead long before that or I may make my sleep save (55%).... I think your chances are better if you just continue melee after Aramur has recovered from his stun.... EDIT: you edited your post, so my quoted reply may not accurately reflect you latest post. |
| waywreth10-04-05, 12:46 PM | You are correct on the prone, I thought you fell down. My thought was a single attack (charge if possible), followed by draw scroll and cast sleep. Depending on what happened, it would have been a charge or CDG attempt. I will attempt to be more clear in the future. I should also note I wouldn't stay at 5' since you have that nasty trip attack. |
| NiQil10-04-05, 01:11 PM | Question for those that might know... Since ToK is having my pitlord throw in the towel for an opponent that did not submit tactics (and has no defaults), am I correct in assuming that the pitlord needs to put a post in the Battles thread, like normal, that states this and shows me receiving the winners share so that it can be linked? |
| TelinArtho10-04-05, 01:14 PM | Yes - which is why I put in a post for the Lortavos vs Archie Longbow fight - even though it didn't happen. And, in case you didn't notice, ToK already put the post in the fights thread for Axhind vs other character... /d |
| NiQil10-04-05, 01:16 PM | Yes - which is why I put in a post for the Lortavos vs Archie Longbow fight - even though it didn't happen. And, in case you didn't notice, ToK already put the post in the fights thread for Axhind vs other character... /d No, I hadn't noticed...thanks for pointing it out...I musta scrolled right over it. |
| Pittbull10-04-05, 01:20 PM | I should get the average EL9 experience and gold, not 2 EL7s. Why, Virgo did not fight an ECL-9 oponent, but two ECL-7. |
| Huan10-04-05, 01:22 PM | Terrible rolls plus Vakkor was severely overmatched... Anyway, one glimpse of benefit is that Crabbe is only 1/2CR, so he is only 6.25% penalty for me - not 12.5%. If you could adjust the awards, that would be great thanks. /d Done; thanks for the catch. New rewards: Shakari receives 1125 xp and 1125 gp (+6.25% - 12.5%). Vakkor receives 425 xp and 425 gp (+12.5% - 6.25%). Better luck with the dice next week, I hope. |
| Mind Rogue10-04-05, 01:29 PM | Crap...I must have not entered a name in on those rolls...I could have sworn I did...Well, I guess thats what happens when I try to listen to my friend and roll dice at the same time...I'm terribly sorry. I can try to re-run the fight from round 4 on Tuesday if you want... I guess that puts me in a moral dillemna since I did lose fair and square, but I do want to see the numbers. So do as you will. In the future, even if you use Invisible Castle, you might want to transfer the numbers over, even if you link the rolls. I don't even have a problem if you roll the dice yourself and just post the numbers (and your math) although some people dislike this. Also, you need to put the items consumed at the bottom of the page. |
| Gonbow10-04-05, 01:40 PM | Milo Tad vs Memorex is up here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7415825&postcount=462). It was actually up much earlier, but I was kicked off the computer right after posting it. Wee. |
| Sunwolf10-04-05, 02:10 PM | @Soullord Thanks for running the fight. Thanks for running it! I didn't check it for mistakes having no time. But I try to calculate the rewards. Brilf and Hagrid get together 4200XP(ECL9)x (9[Virgo's ECLmax]/7[Shaylynn's CR])= 5400XP/3(losing)=1800XP---> 900XP for Hagrid and Brilf each. Oh, I forgot the cap: Hagrid and Brilf get max XP for losing a fight that makes Ecl7x100=700XP. Brilf and Hagrid get 1500gp(ECL9-losing)x (9/7)=1929/2= 964,5 each. Virgo gets 1350XP(ECL7)x2=2700gp x (7/9)= 2100XP Virgo gets 2600gp(ECL7)x2=5200gp x (7/9)= 4044gp The adjustments for allies happens after the cap for both exp and gold. From FAQ under allies: You recieve (CA/maxCA*25) % less xp and gp for winning a fight. Similarly you receive opponents opponents (CA/maxCA*25) % more xp and gp for defeating a gladiator that uses allies. Virgo's max CA is 7 His cohort was fought as ECL 7 so -- CA= Max CA So Brilf and Hagrid should get: 4200(ECL9) /2 (splitexp) = 2100/3 (losing) = 700 * (1+(7/7*.25)) (opponent ally mod) = 875 xp each 4500gp /2 (split gp) = 2250/3 (losing) = 750 * (1+(7/7*.25)) (opponent ally mod) = 937.5 +147gp profession Virgo should get: Virgo gets 1350XP(ECL7)x2=2700gp x (1- (7/7 *.25))= 2025XP Virgo gets 2600gp(ECL7)x2=5200gp x (1- (7/7 *.25))= 3900gp FYI an ECL 9 vs ECL 9 fight would normally be 2700xp/4500gp so Virgo earns a bit more gold in fighting 2 ECL7s than vs an ECL 9 but the same xp. Shaylynn also used a scroll of shocking grasp. |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-04-05, 02:18 PM | Question for those that might know... Since ToK is having my pitlord throw in the towel for an opponent that did not submit tactics (and has no defaults), am I correct in assuming that the pitlord needs to put a post in the Battles thread, like normal, that states this and shows me receiving the winners share so that it can be linked? I believe i already did that yesterday or the day before. Check fight thread, it should be there. I"ll all your profession gp later. -ToK |
| NiQil10-04-05, 02:23 PM | I believe i already did that yesterday or the day before. Check fight thread, it should be there. I"ll all your profession gp later. -ToK Yes...you did...I just scrolled right over it without seeing it until Telin pointed it out to me. I don't know if you need me to wait to update my sheet or not, but I noticed that my character sheet was not included in the post, so if you need that, I will wait to update it until either it's there or you tell me you don't need it. |
| SoulLord10-04-05, 03:02 PM | @Soullord Thanks for running the fight. The adjustments for allies happens after the cap for both exp and gold. From FAQ under allies: Virgo's max CA is 7 His cohort was fought as ECL 7 so -- CA= Max CA So Brilf and Hagrid should get: 4200(ECL9) /2 (splitexp) = 2100/3 (losing) = 700 * (1+(7/7*.25)) (opponent ally mod) = 875 xp each 4500gp /2 (split gp) = 2250/3 (losing) = 750 * (1+(7/7*.25)) (opponent ally mod) = 937.5 +147gp profession Virgo should get: Virgo gets 1350XP(ECL7)x2=2700gp x (1- (7/7 *.25))= 2025XP Virgo gets 2600gp(ECL7)x2=5200gp x (1- (7/7 *.25))= 3900gp FYI an ECL 9 vs ECL 9 fight would normally be 2700xp/4500gp so Virgo earns a bit more gold in fighting 2 ECL7s than vs an ECL 9 but the same xp. Shaylynn also used a scroll of shocking grasp. Changes updated it ended up like this Hagrid [+875 xp][+937.5 gp] +147gp profession Brilf [+875 xp][+937.5 gp] +147gp profession Virgo [+2025XP][+3900gp] |
| King Uther10-04-05, 03:07 PM | Well, now for my last ditch effort for the Balbanes fight: 1. Using the Pythagorean theorem, it is clear the spectral hand cannot attack Balbanes in multiple rounds due to distance. It can only go 130 ft with the scroll. 2. Balbanes is listed as being 10' in the air and the horse only has a 5' reach but still full-attacks me while being entangled. 3. Hawkeye Coups me, even though it is entangled and doesn't threaten any spaces. I've already talked to ToK about many things, so here are my suggestions: 1. Change the fight. This is a problem because now the entire fight would have to be changed because Pale lost a standard action in round 5. Who knows where that rabbit hole leads. 2. Try again. I'm open to suggestions and discussion but there is no way I'm accepting the fight as is. |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-04-05, 04:16 PM | This is completely inappropriate. There were NO errors on the last re-run, and by whatever is going on, {intimidating, or whatever} errors are now being made to appease you. This is gone beyond ridiculousness now. There were no errors on the last re-run. Accept it. -ToK |
| NiQil10-04-05, 04:27 PM | Have fun and be nice. -ToK @ ToK and King See above. :) |
| Emrys Donovan10-04-05, 04:41 PM | I know I'm probably late, but I'm still posting this (thanks for the pm, ToK). As I have received no tactics from Kaigan for is character, Coralias, Niqil's character, Axhind, wins by default. |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-04-05, 04:42 PM | @ ToK and King See above. :) Everyone has a breaking point. This has gone beyond that. There were no errors 3 re-runs ago, and i've won all versions thereof. But still, he changes Luni's mind to change the way Balbanes acts and it seems like all you need to do to win is whine and cry out loud. The last re-run was completely error free. Accept it. Nothing should have been changed to equal this last post. -ToK |
| NiQil10-04-05, 04:43 PM | Everyone has a breaking point. This has gone beyond that. There were no errors 3 re-runs ago, and i've won all versions thereof. But still, he changes Luni's mind to change the way Balbanes acts and it seems like all you need to do to win is whine and cry out loud. The last re-run was completely error free. Accept it. Nothing should have been changed to equal this last post. -ToK Mine is not to judge or take sides...merely a reminder of why we are all here. :) |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-04-05, 04:46 PM | I've already talked to ToK I'm open to suggestions and discussion but there is no way I'm accepting the fight as is. We did talk, and i was under the impression everything was ok. Sorry you don't want to accept it, but you will. There were no errors from the last re-run, and i don't know what you did or say to change your actions, yet again for the 3rd time, but THAT is what is unacceptable. Deal with it. It was done last re-run. -ToK |
| King Uther10-04-05, 04:50 PM | Getting an angry tone with me is not the way to act. I almost feel insulted. I would not intimidate, and I am not just whining and crying because I can. I can't believe you would say that to me. Dude, you're my favorite RPer on this board and I think you're an awesome guy. Don't make this personal. |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-04-05, 04:54 PM | Getting an angry tone with me is not the way to act. I almost feel insulted. I would not intimidate, and I am not just whining and crying because I can. I can't believe you would say that to me. Dude, you're my favorite RPer on this board and I think you're an awesome guy. Don't make this personal. Um, i'm not angry. Just getting to the point and being matter of factly. There were no errors last re-run. That's my point. What i don't understand is that no matter what happens, you keep manipulating something to change the circumstances in your favour. That's all. Believe me, it's not personal. I just think it's poor sportsmanlike to find errors were none existed for the sake of a win. -ToK |
| Usurpator10-04-05, 06:14 PM | You are correct on the prone, I thought you fell down. My thought was a single attack (charge if possible), followed by draw scroll and cast sleep. Depending on what happened, it would have been a charge or CDG attempt. I will attempt to be more clear in the future. It wasn't entirely clear, but I can see you wanted to do that, it is, certainly in this situation, a good choice. Speaking of tactical choices: I also think Aramur should not have closed to within 10 ft. of Casgish with his sling in his hand, but should have drawn his Guisarme. Then he could have gotten an AoO for spellcasting or gone to melee, since shooting a sling from 10 ft. and within the threat range of Casgish lance is clearly not a good choice to make.... But hey, sometimes Pitlords make other choices, and we usually have to go with that. I can even say that I wouldn't be opposed that if Nightbanegod reruns the fight he chooses to have you attack and then begin casting sleep. I just want to get at least that one action that I should have been allowed according to the rules. It doesn't matter to me if you're casting a sleep spell or attacking Aramur at that time, either way I get that one action I feel entitled to. I should also note I wouldn't stay at 5' since you have that nasty trip attack. Sorry, I meant to say 10 ft. Note that Aramur's guisarme also has 10 ft. reach and can do trip attacks. |
| SoulLord10-04-05, 06:32 PM | *Grabs hold of Usurpator and sends him to the pikachu fight* |
| Sindorin10-04-05, 06:41 PM | Yeah, just let us know if we are able to kill it while it laughs... |
| Tellish_of_Ket10-04-05, 06:44 PM | Yeah, just let us know if we are able to kill it while it laughs... Would it be safe to say, "It died laughing"? LOL -ToK |
| Sindorin10-04-05, 06:52 PM | I guess Va'ria is just that good of a comedian, she can kill demons with her amazing stand-up. On a more serious note, since Vathelokai is unable to run the TAO quest starting this week, I would like to ready her for a miniquest or arena fight or somethingp, though I am not sure what. |
| SoulLord10-04-05, 07:03 PM | he he perhaps next week the powers that be decide that Va'ria had it too easy lets see.... how about a fight vs a young adult black dragon :) |
| Usurpator10-04-05, 07:16 PM | *Grabs hold of Usurpator and sends him to the pikachu fight* Yeah, yeah, hold your horses. ;) Busy days.... Didn't get time yet to write Gladius Weekly, or to update Nexa for her coming quest. (I am going Telin!) Maybe I'll get up extra early tomorrow, but since I'm going late tonight, we'll see. |
| LLMadCow10-05-05, 02:26 AM | Okay, I just saw the fight and I about to slip into bed, but I have to say a few things.... 1. I asked that if the Drider was using ranged attacks, use blur. Maybe I should have been more specific, but a WAND of MM falls in line with ranged attacks. 2. Nessa has a Brooch of Shielding. I tried to track everything as best as possible, but I did not count [33 Hp + 10 Vigor + 20 Vigor + 101 Points of MM Soak + 30 Points of Fast Healing =] 194 Points of Damage Taken during the fight.That would've been insane damage! (Mainly no healing during rounds 11, 12, 13) 3. There are no rolls, so I cannot say anything about the Drider's ability to see Nessa while sniping. 4. There are no die rolls listed anywhere. Nessa ALWAYS heals 2 HP per round, so there is always the possibility of coming back from anything short of -10. 5. I didn't see where Nessa attempted to summon another mephit. 6. Driders have double standard treasure, so 2,600 x 2 = 5,200. 5,200/3 = 1,733gp. 7. If it took 2 rounds to regain focus, and no success, what happened to the Rapid Shot assault? Although I am to blame for not making it clear, the sniping was the only aspect to be within 30'. Everything should have fallen to the default height of 120' This allows for 2 rounds of feather falling and gaining 4HP in the process. Location is not listed, so I cannot guess what distances were, what altitudes were, etc. Nessa never used HIS breath weapon either. I guess that is it for now. I am sleepy and will have to review it at a later point in time..... LLMC |
| Usurpator10-05-05, 02:39 AM | Hi Waywreth, If you saw Nightbanegod's current rewrite, you'll probably guess that I still to have some serious problems with it due to errors. Additionally, I just saw (the error was there the first time, but I did not notice it before) that Casgish did only 27 damage in total (9+4+7+7), and Aramur has 28 hp. (without raging), which means that even in the first version of the battle, he should have not been killed! :eek: I have PM'ed Nightbanegod with the outstanding issues. I just hope he can and will make the corrections. Didn't make a gladiator with knockdown to not have him use it..... |
| Usurpator10-05-05, 03:20 AM | @All: What's the rule when a fight still has serious errors, but the Pitlord has not/cannot respond before the deadline for next week's fight passes? I am guessing the erronous results will stand. In my (Aramur vs. Casgish) and LLMadCow's fight (Nessa vs. Drider), we both have gladiators that are still alive according to the posted battle results, but declared dead/defeated by the Pitlord anyway (in my case probably an adding error, in LLMadCow's case probably forgotten about the brooch of shielding). What happens? |
| waywreth10-05-05, 08:34 AM | Hi Waywreth, If you saw Nightbanegod's current rewrite, you'll probably guess that I still to have some serious problems with it due to errors... I saw it now, but I don't know what hapens. If it's not done by like 3pm EST I'm going to update my sheet with the fight as is... (I can always change it later if need be). I want to get him in for next week. I don't believe it includes my gp from profession either, not sure if you have any but don't forget that. Edit: Oh and I see Casgish doing 36 total dmg in the current fight which is enough. Of course my horse should attack you as soon as you try to hit me as well which it doesn't... as well as the error with knockdown. |
| TelinArtho10-05-05, 09:06 AM | Gonbow's rendition of Archie vs Lortavos is up: Archie Longbow vs Lortavos (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=7409310#post7409310) |
| Sunwolf10-05-05, 09:08 AM | @Gonbow Re: Memorex vs Milo Tad Awards for an ECL 5 fight are 1500xp/1600gp for the winner and 500xp/533gp for the loser. @LLMadCow Fight awards are based on the ECL fought and are capped so Nexa can only get at max 700xp/866 for a loss regardless of what the monsters treasure is (exception is if the opponent brought in allies which are adjustments after the cap). I do not believe that Magic Missiles are subject to the concealment miss chances due to something like blur. Quote from SRD under Magic Missle: The missile strikes unerringly, even if the target is in melee combat or has less than total cover or total concealment. Specific parts of a creature can’t be singled out. Inanimate objects are not damaged by the spell. |
| Purkake10-05-05, 09:49 AM | Congrats, Usurpator, the Tavava vs the Monsters was a really cool fight, especially the darkness and sonic fireball trick. I can't help but to feel sorry for the poor demon, one missed save and it was dead as a doornail. Oh and good going with the crossbow :P |
| LLMadCow10-05-05, 10:22 AM | A few more things about the Fight between Nessa Tempe and the Drider..... The Bold Red has been added by LLMC Cloak of Chrisma +2 4,000gp Wand of Magic Missile [9] 6,750gp Scroll of Greater Invisibility 700gp Scroll of Summon Monster IIII 375gp Scroll of Summon Monster IIII 375gp Scroll of Wall of Ice 700gp Scroll of Animate Dead 1,050gp Scroll of Animate Dead 1,050gp Scroll of Fly 375gp Scroll of Shield 25gp Scroll of Mage Armor 25gp Scroll of Blur 150gp Scroll of Cat’s Grace 150gp Scroll of Obscuring Mist 25gp Potion of SoF 50gp This adds up to: 15,800gp!!!!! WOW Drider = Challenge Rating 7 Drider = Double Treasure [2,600 * 2 = 5,200gp] Unless I am missing something that means that this drider has 10,600gp more than it should have. Also, there is the issue of: Are the monsters in monster fights limited to spending no more than 1/3 of their gp on any single item, in the same manner that PC's are? If so, that limits the BIG TICKET items to 1,700 or so, enough to buy a wand of MM I. Either way, a Wand of MM IX is right out of the question, with the most he could have had being a Wand of MM V, if there is no cap on % of gold per item. A Wand of MM V can do NO MORE THAN [3D4 + 3 = 15] damage for MAX, or an average of 10.5 per hit. If there is a cap on spending, it's going to take the Drider 50 rounds to deal an average of 175 points [Max 250] of damage, at the same time Nessa is going to heal 100 points. At a MAX of [5 - 2 = 3] damage per round, Nessa can easily last 20 Rounds due to the Brooch, an additional 6 rounds due to Vigor, followed by 11 rounds of direct HP Damage, at which point he falls. 37 rounds. With AVERAGE damage 3.5, this turns into: 28 Rounds due to the Brooch, an additional 8 rounds due to Vigor, followed by 10 rounds of direct HP Damage, at which point he falls. 46 Rounds. This is going with only using 1/2 of the Vigor available, and since the Drider has no way of healing, there is no reason not to use the extra Vigor to win the fight. 866 gp vs 5,200gp??? Oh yeah. I would GREATLY appreciate some reply to this, grid co-ordinates, die rolls, the attempt to Summon a Mephit, etc. LLMC |
| Usurpator10-05-05, 10:28 AM | I saw it now, but I don't know what hapens. If it's not done by like 3pm EST I'm going to update my sheet with the fight as is... (I can always change it later if need be). I want to get him in for next week. I agree, feel free to update your sheet, I am considering it a loss for Aramur unless mentioned otherwise. Edit: Oh and I see Casgish doing 36 total dmg in the current fight which is enough. Of course my horse should attack you as soon as you try to hit me as well which it doesn't... as well as the error with knockdown. 36 dmg would certainly be enough. Can you point out how you reached that total? I am seeing only the 27: http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?u=avsc&limit=on About your horse attacking, that's true, but of course, my horse should attack you first in that case, after Casgish put that nasty color spray on him. :) |
| Usurpator10-05-05, 10:31 AM | Congrats, Usurpator, the Tavava vs the Monsters was a really cool fight, especially the darkness and sonic fireball trick. I can't help but to feel sorry for the poor demon, one missed save and it was dead as a doornail. Oh and good going with the crossbow :P Thanx, I live to serve. Really, I like visual representations myself, it becomes a lot clearer (and more exciting) to see what's going on. The heroes were lucky that the Babau failed to summon another. At least the demon had them sweating for a couple of rounds.... |
| Sindorin10-05-05, 10:35 AM | It most definitely had me sweating... It was pure luck that Va'ria beat two 50/50 checks to get him to laugh at her. |
| waywreth10-05-05, 10:40 AM | 36 dmg would certainly be enough. Can you point out how you reached that total? I am seeing only the 27. About your horse attacking, that's true, but of course, my horse should attack you first in that case, after Casgish put that nasty color spray on him. :) I added in the 9 dmg you did to my familiar... so yes, you would've only taken 27 not 28. Of course since in theory my horse was attacking it would've done some damage, but then again if it didn't your knockdown attack had great potential. Either way, I'd like to see a rematch someday. |
| Usurpator10-05-05, 10:46 AM | I added in the 9 dmg you did to my familiar... so yes, you would've only taken 27 not 28. Of course since in theory my horse was attacking it would've done some damage, but then again if it didn't your knockdown attack had great potential. Either way, I'd like to see a rematch someday. That's fine with me, maybe a rematch at lvl 4 or something? I don't think your horse would have attacked me, since I didn't attack it or its rider (yet), so you would have to spend a move action and succeed at a DC 10 Handle Animal check to make it attack before Aramur got his first strike (which coupled with Knockdown and the extra attack from Improved Trip could have killed you before your horse got a chance to act). And since the horse can attack from 5 ft., but you cannot attack with you lance from 5 ft., it wouldn't be very sensible to try and coerce your horse to attack, I think. |
| Snommelp10-05-05, 10:51 AM | @All: What's the rule when a fight still has serious errors, but the Pitlord has not/cannot respond before the deadline for next week's fight passes? I am guessing the erronous results will stand. In my (Aramur vs. Casgish) and LLMadCow's fight (Nessa vs. Drider), we both have gladiators that are still alive according to the posted battle results, but declared dead/defeated by the Pitlord anyway (in my case probably an adding error, in LLMadCow's case probably forgotten about the brooch of shielding). What happens?If the error is serious enough, you may see the match listed again for this week's pairings. It happened to me, once. Due to a misreading of the tactics, my elven wizard acted like he thought he was a fighter. Pitlords agreed that the fight should be rerun, and after seeing the arguments made, so did the pitlord in question. So look for that. |
| waywreth10-05-05, 03:49 PM | That's fine with me, maybe a rematch at lvl 4 or something? I don't think your horse would have attacked me, since I didn't attack it or its rider (yet), so you would have to spend a move action and succeed at a DC 10 Handle Animal check to make it attack before Aramur got his first strike (which coupled with Knockdown and the extra attack from Improved Trip could have killed you before your horse got a chance to act). And since the horse can attack from 5 ft., but you cannot attack with you lance from 5 ft., it wouldn't be very sensible to try and coerce your horse to attack, I think. In this instance - I propose a draw. Sorry, been informed draws are not allowed. |
| Pitlords10-05-05, 03:55 PM | In this instance - I propose a draw. Sorry, been informed draws are not allowed. Unless we hear back from your pitlord to correct these grievous errors, i'm afraid it will have to stand unless it is unanimously agreed by both gladiators to redo it again. -ToK |
| nightbanegod10-05-05, 04:12 PM | sorry folks i got off work around 2pm central timezone and am working on the errors right now.. i should have about 45 minutes left...what happens when opposed trip rolls are tied? |
| waywreth10-05-05, 04:18 PM | sorry folks i got off work around 2pm central timezone and am working on the errors right now.. i should have about 45 minutes left...what happens when opposed trip rolls are tied? Actually since the fight was technically due yesterday I dunno... but seriously, let's say he finishes changing the fight and the results change, can I edit my character after the deadline to show those change? It could be a moot point, but I would hate sitting out. |
| Delusional Illusion10-05-05, 04:25 PM | Seems that my fight will be pushed once again to the next week. *Sigh* Am I unlucky or what :rolleyes: |
| NiQil10-05-05, 04:32 PM | sorry folks i got off work around 2pm central timezone and am working on the errors right now.. i should have about 45 minutes left...what happens when opposed trip rolls are tied? The tie goes to the person with the highest modifier. If both mods are the same, then you reroll. |
| nightbanegod10-05-05, 04:48 PM | Actually since the fight was technically due yesterday I dunno... but seriously, let's say he finishes changing the fight and the results change, can I edit my character after the deadline to show those change? It could be a moot point, but I would hate sitting out. just realized i missed a part of casgishes tactics... if your first attack didnt kill aramur you were supposed to draw and cast sleep... which you could do without interruption since he was stunned then you would CDG without problem from the horse since it is also stunned. then aramur would lose the fight based on these rolls will save vs sleep 3 so your asleep (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=161805) 28 damage vs 25 FORT check (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=161803) *edit* it will be just a little bit before i finish editing the rounds accordingly but you should feel free to edit your sheet |
| Usurpator10-05-05, 05:12 PM | just realized i missed a part of casgishes tactics... if your first attack didnt kill aramur you were supposed to draw and cast sleep... which you could do without interruption since he was stunned then you would CDG without problem from the horse since it is also stunned. then aramur would lose the fight based on these rolls will save vs sleep 3 so your asleep (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=161805) 28 damage vs 25 FORT check (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=161803) *edit* it will be just a little bit before i finish editing the rounds accordingly but you should feel free to edit your sheet Nightbanegod, as I stated before, I am not opposed to a redo where Casgish tries to cast sleep instead of attacking. A few things though: - Casting sleep takes 1 round. You start it in one round as a full round action (no move actions allowed), and finish in the next. - He needs two hands free to cast sleep from a scroll - He has to draw the scroll, which costs a move action. - He has to stow the lance, which costs a move action. I think this means he cannot finish casting the spell before Aramur gets his first action... In any case, because Aramur's the horse can still attack and defend, there would be no chance for a CDG. EDIT: By the way, I think changing chosen tactics in hindsight to achieve the same battle result is not entirely proper, but as I said, in this case I am not opposed to it, since I think it is what Waywreth Casgish wanted to do. Also, I read the rules, and if a fight is edited too late, the previous result stands. Sooner or later I think we all get a loss like this, its part of the game.... |
| nightbanegod10-05-05, 06:01 PM | - Casting sleep takes 1 round. You start it in one round as a full round action (no move actions allowed), and finish in the next. - He needs two hands free to cast sleep from a scroll - He has to draw the scroll, which costs a move action. - He has to stow the lance, which costs a move action. duely noted, as i neglected the respective move actions and was only considering the duration of 1 casting round. concentration check vs 1st attack from aramur 19 vs DC 24? (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=161830) if the DC is 24 then spell failed and fight goes on... and on.. and on... EDIT: By the way, I think changing chosen tactics in hindsight to achieve the same battle result is not entirely proper, but as I said, in this case I am not opposed to it, since I think it is what Waywreth Casgish wanted to do. Also, I read the rules, and if a fight is edited too late, the previous result stands. Sooner or later I think we all get a loss like this, its part of the game.... i apologize about looking over casgish's tactics again, however if i had not brought that issue up and left the fight as it was, then i would simply be wating for waywreth to point this fact that i already know about out and rerun the fight at that point in time. i thought it would be better to go the route of me bringing it up in the first place rather than wait for the inevitable. |
| Usurpator10-05-05, 06:23 PM | duely noted, as i neglected the respective move actions and was only considering the duration of 1 casting round. concentration check vs 1st attack from aramur 19 vs DC 24? (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=161830) if the DC is 24 then spell failed and fight goes on... and on.. and on... Thank you. Unfortunately, the DC is indeed 24.... i apologize about looking over casgish's tactics again, however if i had not brought that issue up and left the fight as it was, then i would simply be wating for waywreth to point this fact that i already know about out and rerun the fight at that point in time. i thought it would be better to go the route of me bringing it up in the first place rather than wait for the inevitable. Not a problem, I think you made a good choice by running it like this. I am simply grateful that you are taking another look at this fight at this late hour... |
| Usurpator10-05-05, 06:26 PM | Actually since the fight was technically due yesterday I dunno... but seriously, let's say he finishes changing the fight and the results change, can I edit my character after the deadline to show those change? It could be a moot point, but I would hate sitting out. By the rules you win. I am grateful if Nightbanegod is looking at it again, but as I said before, since it is past the deadline, you should record a win, and I will record a loss... |
| Book510-05-05, 08:31 PM | wow mistaken opponent, missing pit lord, forgot to check back on tuesday! better luck next week I guess! is this "to be expected?" What happend to Caterane? |
| nightbanegod10-05-05, 08:39 PM | By the rules you win. I am grateful if Nightbanegod is looking at it again, but as I said before, since it is past the deadline, you should record a win, and I will record a loss... no chance to pettition pitlords for a change? |
| NiQil10-05-05, 08:59 PM | wow mistaken opponent, missing pit lord, forgot to check back on tuesday! better luck next week I guess! is this "to be expected?" What happend to Caterane? His internet died, so until he gets it fixed, ToK is running the show. |
| Usurpator10-06-05, 01:18 PM | no chance to pettition pitlords for a change? There comes a time when you have to stop salvaging a fight, even when all concerned parties agree mistakes or errors have been made. There will always be rules errors, calculation mistakes and faulty tactics interpretations, and sometimes they cause you to lose a fight. A loss on my record that might have been a win is not the end of the world, there are still many interesting fights to look forward to. |