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McJarvis 04-30-08, 11:08 AM	Please don't edit the sheet after the deadline or you will lose the match. News and Whatnot New Rulings - Courtroom The following rulings were voted for by MWB, Zevox, Telin, crazy, and Erithmu. Sauro voted against. You can not find invisible creatures merely by moving through thier square- they can merely opt to let you pass by. The only exception is if you end movement in the same square as an invisible creature- you will then effectively know an invisible creature was there because you will be "moved" to the last legal square you occupied. A Shadowdancer/Assassin's HiPS does not require concealment or cover to use- it merely requires a shadow nearby that is not their own. This shadow does not have to be visible to the observer or even grant any sort of concealment itself. The Council Decisions/Revelations Current Topics Courtroom - Sauro wishes an elder decision on using an intelligent cohort as a mount. [and what tricks/training it requires] Council - There is a discussion on how quickly you should be able to aquire ethereal equipment. Courtroom- The rules for Ride and Handle Animal are under discussion. These are topics that have died down but had nothing come of them. Personally? I blame the terrorists. Council - Mechanics of the "Awaken" spell is currently being discussed in the council. Courtroom- Good grief, we're talking about the Bag of Tricks again. Sooner or later Lelenia will level enough that we can put these discussions behind us. :-) Council- Delay rules are still being discussed. Check out the Courtroom and Council to join in all the fun! Rules of Gladius All that you need to know is written in the Rules of Gladius. It could be useful also to give a look to the Court Decisions Part 1 and Part 2. Please do not make fake accounts or insult the Elders. New idea: let's not insult anyone, ok? :) Pairings GM MindWandererB will pair the active Characters of Gladius after the deadline. Link to pairings. Make sure that your character is not in prison. Pitlording You should use the CoCo Dice Roller (http://www.hwx.it/wizards.com) for the fight. If you need it, there is a nice template ready to use that will help. You could find the Battle Map Tag Generator (http://www.hwx.it/coco) for dynamic Maps very useful. You must post a link to your fight in this thread when it is complete. If you need a quick and dirty tool to calculate distances between two points (in 2-D or 3-D), this tool (http://wormhole.ath.cx/coco/coco_dist.php) should suffice. Another useful link is the Quick Access tables for XP and Gold. And finally, here is a handy Rewards Calculator (http://joeh.org/~wb/coco/rewards.html). If a fight needs to be rerun, the Pitlord has to inform the Pitlords account. He cannot react to requests from Players because the other player and the pitlord might disagree. He has no time to read the fight and the discussion. Please keep that in mind. PMs from players with rerun requests won't have an impact. Comments & Concerns Post any comments or concerns for this weeks fights in this thread. Be kind and courteous to your fellow posters, and don't feed the pitlords. Please remember that they do hard work and consume a lot of time to let you play. Above all, have FUN! If you have questions or comments on any of the changes, please make your posts be heard in the Council of Gladius!
MindWandererB 04-30-08, 04:48 PM	Pairings done. Credits Callix F3 CrazyArtificer F1 dulsi F1 Erithmu A1 Huan F1 Q2 TelinArtho F3 A1 templer10 F2 Turanson F2 MindWandererB A2 A-1
TelinArtho 04-30-08, 04:57 PM	Gakhnalak Strongjaw (MindWandererB) vs Thiel's Loyal Retainers (Erithmu, SauroGrenom) is up. Still need to add rewards - but wanted to get the fight up. @MWB - I had some confusion about how you wanted to proceed (whether leaving Blurgta behind or moving ahead of her) - I decided to keep with her until sight was established and then rush in. I'm sorry if this is not what you intended, but I don't see anything in your tactics to indicate either way. Also - I wasn't sure if I read your buffing rounds correctly - though I suspect it wouldn't really change much (since they mostly got dispelled anyway). Please let me know if there are any issues with the fight.
TelinArtho 04-30-08, 05:03 PM	@MWB: Max Ribbleton (lonewolf) and Mineau Guwango (Turanson) vs. Unknown MonsterEL7 : TelinArtho [Temple] [Inter-League] Shouldn't the monster be EL9?
MindWandererB 04-30-08, 05:07 PM	I hadn't anticipated a flying dire wolf. Given that, I think anything I did find wrong would be moot. Thanks for the run.Shouldn't the monster be EL9?Yes.
Erithmu 04-30-08, 05:09 PM	@Telin: Thanks for the run. @MWB: Thanks for always making the fights ... interesting to plan for.
TelinArtho 04-30-08, 05:13 PM	Okay - this week's monster fights should be... interesting: Besthirah vs 1 Small Winged Biped. Max and Mineau are up against 4 Greater Barghests. Have a nice day.
Turanson 04-30-08, 05:24 PM	@McJarvis: Marius is up against 1 Pixie
SauroGrenom 04-30-08, 05:26 PM	Gakhnalak Strongjaw (MindWandererB) vs Thiel's Loyal Retainers (Erithmu, SauroGrenom) is up. Still need to add rewards - but wanted to get the fight up. @MWB - I had some confusion about how you wanted to proceed (whether leaving Blurgta behind or moving ahead of her) - I decided to keep with her until sight was established and then rush in. I'm sorry if this is not what you intended, but I don't see anything in your tactics to indicate either way. Also - I wasn't sure if I read your buffing rounds correctly - though I suspect it wouldn't really change much (since they mostly got dispelled anyway). Please let me know if there are any issues with the fight. I noticed a minor thing that'll be important for the rewards. Lordrum's 7th level, so his mount has a duration of 14 hrs not 12 hrs... I think...
TelinArtho 04-30-08, 05:30 PM	I'll note that Sauro when I get to it.
SauroGrenom 04-30-08, 05:34 PM	I hadn't anticipated a flying dire wolf. Given that, I think anything I did find wrong would be moot. Thanks for the run.Tough luck on that crit when you were about to get the upper hand.
Callix 04-30-08, 09:22 PM	@JackSnape: Monster rolled for Uguudok. 1 Small winged quadrupedal Dragon. Also, you can't exceed your expendables cap for any reason; you're going to have to choose only a few of those scrolls to craft so you don't go over. Since you have 275 gp worth of scrolls at the moment, choose up to 175gp worth (including craft discount), and specify which you want to keep in your tactics PM.
Erithmu 04-30-08, 10:06 PM	@Callix: Tactics for Owen drafted ... I'll send them along after I make sure that I'm not forgetting something.
McJarvis 04-30-08, 10:30 PM	@McJarvis: Marius is up against 1 Pixie Does it have access to memory loss and sleep arrows? edit- For that matter- if they ARE allowed, I need to know exactly what memory loss arrows effects are in-game.
dulsi 04-30-08, 10:46 PM	@lonewolf: Monster info for Darian is 4 salamanders.
Turanson 05-01-08, 03:23 AM	Does it have access to memory loss and sleep arrows? edit- For that matter- if they ARE allowed, I need to know exactly what memory loss arrows effects are in-game. I'm not sure but would say no, as our rules says that, Monsters cannot have any items which are unavailable to PCs without credits but if i'm wrong please inform me
whitebaron 05-01-08, 03:25 AM	@JackSnape: Monster rolled for Uguudok. 1 Small winged quadrupedal Dragon. Also, you can't exceed your expendables cap for any reason; you're going to have to choose only a few of those scrolls to craft so you don't go over. Since you have 275 gp worth of scrolls at the moment, choose up to 175gp worth (including craft discount), and specify which you want to keep in your tactics PM. not 100% true - he can craft more since he gets it only after his fight, but he can't keep more after the 3fc. else it would be impossible for a crafter to recraft things he knows he'll likely use in his last fight as well, making him sit out pretty much.
McJarvis 05-01-08, 08:28 AM	I'm not sure but would say no, as our rules says that, but if i'm wrong please inform me I don't think I would deprive a balor of his flaming vorpal sword- isn't that the same sort of deal? Hmmm... The problem is that I have no clue how memory loss arrows should be mitigated. Without memory loss or sleep arrows, this guy has practically no chance of winning vs Marius since his damage outputs are so low & all I have to do is breath on him to win. If an elder(or MWB, optimally) could step in and say something, I'd appreciate it.
lonewolf 05-01-08, 08:36 AM	I don't think I would deprive a balor of his flaming vorpal sword- isn't that the same sort of deal? Hmmm... The problem is that I have no clue how memory loss arrows should be mitigated. Without memory loss or sleep arrows, this guy has practically no chance of winning vs Marius since his damage outputs are so low & all I have to do is breath on him to win. If an elder(or MWB, optimally) could step in and say something, I'd appreciate it. My opinion is that the pixie should have access to both types of arrows, but that the memory loss arrows should have no mechanical effect in the arena.
TelinArtho 05-01-08, 08:43 AM	I don't think I would deprive a balor of his flaming vorpal sword- isn't that the same sort of deal? Hmmm... The problem is that I have no clue how memory loss arrows should be mitigated. Without memory loss or sleep arrows, this guy has practically no chance of winning vs Marius since his damage outputs are so low & all I have to do is breath on him to win. If an elder(or MWB, optimally) could step in and say something, I'd appreciate it. First off - a flaming vorpal sword would be available without credits. Secondly - I would just make the assumption that memory loss arrows would have no effect in the arena. Whether sleep arrows are allowed or not is debateable - personally I don't see much harm in it; alternatively - the pixie could purchase regular sleep arrows and leave all question out of it.
TelinArtho 05-01-08, 08:46 AM	Does anyone have a moment to do a quick proof read of a monster I have to run this week?
Erithmu 05-01-08, 09:02 AM	Does anyone have a moment to do a quick proof read of a monster I have to run this week? Sure ... swing it my way ... I have a couple hours before class
TelinArtho 05-01-08, 09:23 AM	Hmm- has anyone seen an errata for the greater barghest? Mass Enlarge is listed as one of its SLAs - but since that spell changed to Mass Enlarge Person - it no longer works on outsiders. Usually, they made specific exceptions (see Janni and Earth Mephit) - but I don't see such an exception for the greater barghest.
Erithmu 05-01-08, 09:37 AM	Hmm- has anyone seen an errata for the greater barghest? Mass Enlarge is listed as one of its SLAs - but since that spell changed to Mass Enlarge Person - it no longer works on outsiders. Usually, they made specific exceptions (see Janni and Earth Mephit) - but I don't see such an exception for the greater barghest. I'd probably go w/ 'oversight' ... but I don't see anything that would even allow it.
TelinArtho 05-01-08, 12:01 PM	The funny thing about it is that in 3.0 - Greater Barghests didn't get more SLAs - so its tough to say that the developers didn't "update" the ability since it didn't exist. I guess Greater Barghests go around and enlarge their opponents to make it more of a sport :)
McJarvis 05-01-08, 12:17 PM	First off - a flaming vorpal sword would be available without credits. Secondly - I would just make the assumption that memory loss arrows would have no effect in the arena. Whether sleep arrows are allowed or not is debateable - personally I don't see much harm in it; alternatively - the pixie could purchase regular sleep arrows and leave all question out of it. This is more or less what I thought would be fair. I've sent my tactics in assuming all of this is true (it has sleep arrows, memory loss arrows have no effect for arena fights)
Erithmu 05-01-08, 12:21 PM	Nah ... they just want more meat on their prey. @Callix: Tactics for Owen sent.
MindWandererB 05-01-08, 02:14 PM	@Telin: Funeral arrangements sent.
TelinArtho 05-01-08, 02:22 PM	If it makes you feel better - it looks like you won't be triggering the Ego Whip portion of the tactics I wrote...
Salrantol 05-01-08, 02:55 PM	@Turanson: Tactics for a half-dozen grig skeletons vs. Vivi sent via PM.
MindWandererB 05-01-08, 05:37 PM	If it makes you feel better - it looks like you won't be triggering the Ego Whip portion of the tactics I wrote... Neat. That upgrades me to roughly a snowball's chance in hell.
Erithmu 05-01-08, 10:53 PM	@Telin: Rewards for TLR vs Gak. You seem swamped thought I would save you some energy TLR: 2100/2600 +31% (+25% -25% + 31%) = 2751/3406 Terlyn: Dispel Magic, Glitterdust, Magic Missile - Scrolls: See Invis [3], Fly [5] Thiel: 0th: 1 (Resistance), 1st: 5 (Shield, MMx4) Free: Sell Item (PoP[1]) Lordrum: Ongoing: Faedrus (<14hrs) Hefu: Bulls Strength, Bless, Searing Light - Other: Protection Domain ability Free: none Gak: 900/1500 +0% (+25% -25%) = 900/1500 Spells: 3rd week Scrolls: Enlarge Person [2], Pro. Good [2] Free: 225gp (craft)
Turanson 05-02-08, 09:23 AM	Marius vs. Pixie is up
McJarvis 05-02-08, 09:43 AM	Marius vs. Pixie is up Awsome :) Thanks for the run. edit- forgot to do rewards correction for marius's horse CR1 brought out of CA 3 possible: 1/3 * 25% = 8 1/3% reduction. 91 & 2/3 * 1500xp/1600gp = 1375xp/1467gp
Turanson 05-02-08, 10:10 AM	welcome and done
templer10 05-02-08, 10:42 AM	Callix - tactics for lord lorian vs owen are out
TelinArtho 05-02-08, 10:45 AM	@Telin: Rewards for TLR vs Gak. You seem swamped thought I would save you some energy TLR: 2100/2600 +31% (+25% -25% + 31%) = 2751/3406 Terlyn: Dispel Magic, Glitterdust, Magic Missile - Scrolls: See Invis [3], Fly [5] Thiel: 0th: 1 (Resistance), 1st: 5 (Shield, MMx4) Free: Sell Item (PoP[1]) Lordrum: Ongoing: Faedrus (<14hrs) Hefu: Bulls Strength, Bless, Searing Light - Other: Protection Domain ability Free: none Gak: 900/1500 +0% (+25% -25%) = 900/1500 Spells: 3rd week Scrolls: Enlarge Person [2], Pro. Good [2] Free: 225gp (craft) Thanks Rith - I applied the above to the fight.
TelinArtho 05-02-08, 01:52 PM	Besthirah Lafali (MindWandererB) vs Pixie Psion 5/Psion Uncarnate 6 (Unknown Monster) is up. Snowball's chance is probably a little optimistic apparently.
MindWandererB 05-02-08, 02:34 PM	Besthirah Lafali (MindWandererB) vs Pixie Psion 5/Psion Uncarnate 6 (Unknown Monster) is up. Snowball's chance is probably a little optimistic apparently. If I'd had some better rolls in there, I could have put in a decent showing. I stand by my earlier assessment. If only blindsense or scent worked on incorporeal creatures, or if he had more equipment (so he couldn't assume it all). But thanks for the run.
templer10 05-03-08, 12:21 PM	mekhoar (tunagolem) and Orgauth (dulsi) vs. Ralein DreamstrikerECL 6 (Callix) is Done (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=15768193&postcount=1965) - small reccomendation - being spesific and clear in your tactics helps...
Turanson 05-03-08, 05:38 PM	Salvador vs. Vivi is up
Callix 05-04-08, 05:58 AM	mekhoar (tunagolem) and Orgauth (dulsi) vs. Ralein DreamstrikerECL 6 (Callix) is Done (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=15768193&postcount=1965) - small reccomendation - being spesific and clear in your tactics helps... Thanks for the run. I tried to keep things clear, if not simple. The link to the roller is missing; the correct link is here (http://www.hwx.it/wizards.com/dice.php?sid=2530). Ralein's Free Activity is Profession (Butcher) for 120 gp, not Guard. As far as I know, impromptu teams don't automatically start in the same square. It doesn't matter, as Ralein was actually helped by this (forcing Mekhoar into melee makes me almost unhittable with dodge). @Tunagolem: Change the forum skin you're using. As odd as it sounds, the bug only affects the "Wizards Community Default" skin.
whitebaron 05-04-08, 06:52 AM	As far as I know, impromptu teams don't automatically start in the same square. That one was changed not to long ago, since it delivers a big disadvantage to the team not starting within the same square, and almost always ends up in two pairs of tactics be written a) if we start in the same square b) if not. it makes the pitlord's tactic-reading unneccessarily hard, and also tactics writing is harder. that's why there was that elder-decision against separate starting squares.
templer10 05-04-08, 06:53 AM	As far as I know, impromptu teams don't automatically start in the same square. It doesn't matter, as Ralein was actually helped by this (forcing Mekhoar into melee makes me almost unhittable with dodge). they do - due to a recent rules change and your tactics were alright - they were clear - i meant my comment more to your opponents (1 of them).
Callix 05-05-08, 03:48 AM	Uguudok vs 1 Wyrmling Blue Dragon is up. Note to self: Do not antagonise creatures with a 100ft fly speed and twice your hit dice. EDIT: I have a question regarding the Lorian vs Owen fight. Lorian has prebuffed his Ring of Invisibility, but the item references the spell, which has a duration of 1 minute/level. The item has a CL of 3, so there's no way the prebuff can survive the time roll. Does Lorian start invisible? It rather dramatically affects the fight.
Salrantol 05-05-08, 06:54 AM	Uguudok vs 1 Wyrmling Blue Dragon is up. Note to self: Do not antagonise creatures with a 100ft fly speed and twice your hit dice. EDIT: I have a question regarding the Lorian vs Owen fight. Lorian has prebuffed his Ring of Invisibility, but the item references the spell, which has a duration of 1 minute/level. The item has a CL of 3, so there's no way the prebuff can survive the time roll. Does Lorian start invisible? It rather dramatically affects the fight.At Will and Permanency: "At will" abilities or renewable effects (like a Ring of Invisibility) can be pre-buffed with. Effects with a duration of "permanent" must be listed under the Pre-buff section and also be listed as part of your equipment. They do not count against your available spell levels per fight nor against your prebuffs. An exception is the Polymorph Any Object spell (see Rules: Miscellaneous).QED.
whitebaron 05-05-08, 06:57 AM	EDIT: I have a question regarding the Lorian vs Owen fight. Lorian has prebuffed his Ring of Invisibility, but the item references the spell, which has a duration of 1 minute/level. The item has a CL of 3, so there's no way the prebuff can survive the time roll. Does Lorian start invisible? It rather dramatically affects the fight. ninja'd! due to coco rules, any effect that can be done as "at will" can be prebuffed. i don't like that rule, but it is present. so lorian _can_ start invisible. when creating the rules, it was assumed that in the waiting time, you could simply switch on the ring every minute.
templer10 05-05-08, 07:04 AM	Uguudok vs 1 Wyrmling Blue Dragon is up. Note to self: Do not antagonise creatures with a 100ft fly speed and twice your hit dice. EDIT: I have a question regarding the Lorian vs Owen fight. Lorian has prebuffed his Ring of Invisibility, but the item references the spell, which has a duration of 1 minute/level. The item has a CL of 3, so there's no way the prebuff can survive the time roll. Does Lorian start invisible? It rather dramatically affects the fight. what they said about the invisibility thing - and Rith's tactics are very good - if super wing arrives the the fight... unfortently he doesnt come to the fight :D
Callix 05-05-08, 07:05 AM	QED. Thank you. That was slowing up the fight significantly. @Whitebaron: Were you going to send tactics for this week's playtest? I can't seem to find them, so if you could resend tham, that'd be great. EDIT: @Templer10: PM sent. A quick response would be appreciated.
Erithmu 05-05-08, 08:55 AM	what they said about the invisibility thing - and Rith's tactics are very good - if super wing arrives the the fight... unfortently he doesnt come to the fight :D Thank you sir ... However I just scanned the roller and I'm sorry that I have probably beat you.
CrazyArtificer 05-05-08, 09:43 AM	Nanook.. er.. Soren beats Shaela (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=15781164&postcount=1969) is up! See comments :) CA
JackSnape 05-05-08, 10:21 AM	Uguudok vs 1 Wyrmling Blue Dragon is up. Note to self: Do not antagonise creatures with a 100ft fly speed and twice your hit dice. Ouch, I'm not sure what I could have done to avoid that :) I sent in tactics blind since I didn't think I had the necessary skills to gain any information anyway. Thanks Callix, sorry about my confusion with scrolls. . .
whitebaron 05-05-08, 11:22 AM	@Whitebaron: Were you going to send tactics for this week's playtest? I can't seem to find them, so if you could resend tham, that'd be great. big oops. i seem to have missed them. should not take long to write them, but since i did not have any character active this week, i did not check the fotw thread and forgot... will get them to you as soon as i am at home - ~3hours from now they should be safely with you...
TelinArtho 05-05-08, 12:56 PM	Max Ribbleton (lonewolf) and Mineau Guwango (Turanson) vs 4 Greater Barghests (unknown monster) [Interleague] is up. Methinks Mineau's going to have nightmares about barghests for a long time...
templer10 05-05-08, 01:04 PM	the once again edited (hope for the last time) WW vs sir valkin is up (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=15736471&postcount=1956) - unpredictably - nothing changed.
whitebaron 05-05-08, 02:20 PM	the once again edited (hope for the last time) WW vs sir valkin is up (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=15736471&postcount=1956) - unpredictably - nothing changed. damage of round 3 is still wrong. i also believe picking up a sword from a flying mount would not be that easy, but well... i don't even know why you edited... since you did not want to change my main objections... anyway, thanks for the run. @callix: tactics are out, they look pretty much like the ones last week, with the exception of no daily power available...
Callix 05-05-08, 04:51 PM	Nanook.. er.. Soren beats Shaela (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=15781164&postcount=1969) is up! See comments :) CA I never specified shoot Soren on Line of Sight. I knew I was facing a druid, and I thought a couple of sneak attacks could handle summons and a companion. Chiefly, Shaela should take shots at Nanook in rounds 2 and 3, possibly flat-footed. The Round 4 attack, if moved, would hit Nanook's flat-footed AC, and anything much above minimum damage on a sneak attack will leave him down after the critical hit next round. That changes things significantly.
lonewolf 05-05-08, 06:09 PM	Max Ribbleton (lonewolf) and Mineau Guwango (Turanson) vs 4 Greater Barghests (unknown monster) [Interleague] is up. Methinks Mineau's going to have nightmares about barghests for a long time... I would argue that while drinking a potion does indeed draw an AoO, no concentration check should be necessary when dealt damage during the action. Also since he is going to draw AoOs anyway, there is no reason why Max shouldnt move first and drink the potion after that.
Callix 05-05-08, 06:15 PM	Lord Lorian vs Owen Ir'Tolden is causing major headaches. Owen didn't include contingencies for Lorian leaving Super Wing at home. Lorian didn't include contingencies for the others turning invisible. Both sides had to improvise. The only part of Owen's tactics that could actually be used with no idea of where Lorian was is "cast See Invisibility", so he did that. Nest cast Invisiblity Sphere as per his "owen didn't nuke him first" actions. Lorian had no effective tactics, so I tried to improvise and went for Touchsight + Dimension Door. This failed (Continuity 1), and when I approached Templer10 for surrender, he pointed out his Hand of Glory. This creates Continuity 2. Now we can have the argument about which one works.
Erithmu 05-05-08, 06:23 PM	@Callix: Thank you for posting the fight. I understand what you are dealing with. Within the context of my tactics I would say Nest goes with the glitterdust option or tries to start casting SM5, and I'll race Lorian with Wraith attacking w/ light rays (in the Notes section). I'm not sure what the damage is on a TK maneuver either to grapple for damage either. But I'll remain out of the conversation aside from these comments. If this were fight-by-post ... I would do something different, but I can only go by tactics.
CrazyArtificer 05-05-08, 07:02 PM	I never specified shoot Soren on Line of Sight. I knew I was facing a druid, and I thought a couple of sneak attacks could handle summons and a companion. Chiefly, Shaela should take shots at Nanook in rounds 2 and 3, possibly flat-footed. The Round 4 attack, if moved, would hit Nanook's flat-footed AC, and anything much above minimum damage on a sneak attack will leave him down after the critical hit next round. That changes things significantly. Well, i read it this way From there, if I can't hear Soren, head in via the broad (south) road. Single move and ready to shoot [Soren] on LOS. If I actually find him, then just shoot. as you never mentioned Nanook. Will rerun tomorrow.
McJarvis 05-05-08, 10:26 PM	dentik vs korwald is up. the river's cover AC bonus kind of made that one very one-sided...
TelinArtho 05-05-08, 11:04 PM	I would argue that while drinking a potion does indeed draw an AoO, no concentration check should be necessary when dealt damage during the action. Also since he is going to draw AoOs anyway, there is no reason why Max shouldnt move first and drink the potion after that. First off - the Greater barghests prebuffed Invisibility sphere - so you had no way of knowing you were based. Secondly - here's the snippet from the rules - something I think has been done wrong up until now - I just saw it in the rules this week (by some freak accident...): Activation: Drinking a potion or applying an oil requires no special skill. The user merely removes the stopper and swallows the potion or smears on the oil. The following rules govern potion and oil use. Drinking a potion or using an oil on an item of gear is a standard action. The potion or oil takes effect immediately. Using a potion or oil provokes attacks of opportunity. A successful attack (including grappling attacks) against the character forces a Concentration check (as for casting a spell). If the character fails this check, she cannot drink the potion. An enemy may direct an attack of opportunity against the potion or oil container rather than against the character. A successful attack of this sort can destroy the container.
Callix 05-06-08, 04:07 AM	My grandfather had a fall today; he's in hospital, so I have very little time before deadline. The playtest fight will almost certainly be delayed, and Lorian vs Owen will probably be late unless someone else is willing to take it on. All the necessary stuff is posted in Battles, if anyone wants it. Otherwise, I'll do it tomorrow most likely.
lonewolf 05-06-08, 05:47 AM	First off - the Greater barghests prebuffed Invisibility sphere - so you had no way of knowing you were based. You could give Max a Listen vs Move silently check to notice that someone is closeby. I stand corrected on the second issue.
templer10 05-06-08, 06:42 AM	@Callix: Thank you for posting the fight. I understand what you are dealing with. Within the context of my tactics I would say Nest goes with the glitterdust option or tries to start casting SM5, and I'll race Lorian with Wraith attacking w/ light rays (in the Notes section). I'm not sure what the damage is on a TK maneuver either to grapple for damage either. But I'll remain out of the conversation aside from these comments. If this were fight-by-post ... I would do something different, but I can only go by tactics. hope your grandfather feels better. now on the issue itself - there seem to be no argument from Rith that see invisibility should be used by both parties, and about what nest should do then - Iam not entirly sure what he should do in this situation from the tactics - probably wall of stone since that can block LOS (so could stop the TK manuver) and is mentioned in the tactics. note that 1 round after owen gets TK grappeled nest will be 2 probably so only need to decide for that first round. about glitterdust - if it happen/works - note that the TK manuver on owen doesnt depend on lorians sight since it's maintanied by spike and that lorian has counters for that in later rounds (synasthate pwoerstone).
lonewolf 05-06-08, 07:18 AM	dentik vs korwald is up. the river's cover AC bonus kind of made that one very one-sided... Thanks for running! btw: Hippogriffs do understand common, so Korwald doesnt need to use Handle animal to order it around, he can just say what he wants it to do. Checking the rolls is pretty much impossible too. Please take the time to lable them correctly next time.
McJarvis 05-06-08, 07:31 AM	Thanks for running! btw: Hippogriffs do understand common, so Korwald doesnt need to use Handle animal to order it around, he can just say what he wants it to do. Checking the rolls is pretty much impossible too. Please take the time to lable them correctly next time. Not being able to understand each other isn't why HA checks are necessary- otherwise you could use them to relate commands to soldiers who you don't share a common language with :). They are there for creatures with an int of 3 or less, so the 'griff needs them to understand. edit- as far as labelling the roller, I did a pretty good job except the rounds got mixed up a bit. I think there are two rounds in "round 9" and the rounds are offset by 1 for whatever reason. Sorry about that. And the autocomplex on my browsers keep messing me up on that screen, too...I need to figure out how to turn that off in safari. I'll ask rith later tonight.
CrazyArtificer 05-06-08, 08:30 AM	My grandfather had a fall today; he's in hospital, so I have very little time before deadline. The playtest fight will almost certainly be delayed, and Lorian vs Owen will probably be late unless someone else is willing to take it on. All the necessary stuff is posted in Battles, if anyone wants it. Otherwise, I'll do it tomorrow most likely. I hope your grandfather will be back home soon. Revised Shaela vs Soren (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=15781164&postcount=1969) is up A few comments 1) No attack in round 2, as you double move. 2) In round 3 you could have had a sneak attack, but the dog spotted you. 3) In round 8 I decided it was well worth to rapid shot an almost dead dog rather than tumbling away and readying. Feel free to tell me if you don't like the decision. I wouldn't want to change it again, as you wouldn't survive the following attack and your readied shot would miss (2 missing attacks for you, actually)
Callix 05-06-08, 09:55 AM	My grandfather had a fall today; he's in hospital, so I have very little time before deadline. The playtest fight will almost certainly be delayed, and Lorian vs Owen will probably be late unless someone else is willing to take it on. All the necessary stuff is posted in Battles, if anyone wants it. Otherwise, I'll do it tomorrow most likely. Never mind; Lorian vs Owen is up. Rewards in the morning. And yes, I replaced the Strength modifier with Intelligence on telekinetic grapple damage. It says "everywhere", and it means everywhere. I could run the extra rounds of Lorian moving over and CDGing Owen repeatedly, but Wraith's luck thus far doesn't suggest that it will matter. @CrazyArtificer: Thanks for the rerun. No complaints this time except that I lost ;).
TelinArtho 05-06-08, 10:04 AM	You could give Max a Listen vs Move silently check to notice that someone is closeby. I stand corrected on the second issue. However, your tactics have nothing about what to do if you are able to detect someone close by. Moving and drinking the potion might be beneficial here because you know you'll get hit and be unable to drink the potion - but without a pinpoint, you cannot be sure you are based - and even if you did - there's nothing to say that is what you would want to do. Now on the matter of pinpointing - that would be impossible for you - Listen +11 vs MS +14.
lonewolf 05-06-08, 10:04 AM	@dulsi: About the Darian vs Salamander fight: Thanks for running! no reason to edit anything, but I have a few notes anyway: - You missed Darians running Share Pain. - I asked for 10pp Energy balls, while you only used 7pp ones. - 7pp greater endowed energy balls would only have a DC of 23. - Darians Concentration modifier is +19, not +9 => he autosuceeds checks to recover his psionic focus. - The DC for the Energy missiles from the Droje is only 14. EDIT: One thing needs to be fixed though: you missed Darians Political Career +26%, increasing his rewards to 3780xp & 7308gp.
Turanson 05-06-08, 10:13 AM	@Telin In the Dimension Door SRD it stats that After using this spell, you can’t take any other actions until your next turn. So I'm not sure if they could even take an AOO
lonewolf 05-06-08, 10:13 AM	However, your tactics have nothing about what to do if you are able to detect someone close by. Moving and drinking the potion might be beneficial here because you know you'll get hit and be unable to drink the potion - but without a pinpoint, you cannot be sure you are based - and even if you did - there's nothing to say that is what you would want to do. Now on the matter of pinpointing - that would be impossible for you - Listen +11 vs MS +14. Because I can only argue this from a improvisation perspective, I will have to live with the result.
templer10 05-06-08, 10:15 AM	Never mind; Lorian vs Owen is up. Rewards in the morning. And yes, I replaced the Strength modifier with Intelligence on telekinetic grapple damage. It says "everywhere", and it means everywhere. I could run the extra rounds of Lorian moving over and CDGing Owen repeatedly, but Wraith's luck thus far doesn't suggest that it will matter. @CrazyArtificer: Thanks for the rerun. No complaints this time except that I lost ;). Looks okay 2 me.
whitebaron 05-06-08, 10:17 AM	So I'm not sure if they could even take an AOO AoO is not an action. since you are not flat-footed after dimension dooring, you can take AoOs, but you cannot speak, move or do a quickened spell - simply nothing on your turn any more, and no immediate actions.
TelinArtho 05-06-08, 10:19 AM	@Telin In the Dimension Door SRD it stats that So I'm not sure if they could even take an AOO This was asked and addressed during Mineau's fight with the barghests. Since there was no change since that time, I didn't see the need to change that now. If you want a ruling on it though - feel free to take it to the courtroom.
CrazyArtificer 05-06-08, 10:20 AM	AoO is not an action. since you are not flat-footed after dimension dooring, you can take AoOs, but you cannot speak, move or do a quickened spell - simply nothing on your turn any more, and no immediate actions. Though it sounds a bit illogical that you cannot speak but you can attack :D This is D&D 3.5
Turanson 05-06-08, 11:36 AM	This was asked and addressed during Mineau's fight with the barghests. Since there was no change since that time, I didn't see the need to change that now. If you want a ruling on it though - feel free to take it to the courtroom. just goes to show that my memory aren't that good. Thanks for the run
dulsi 05-06-08, 11:50 AM	Darian vs Salamanders is up as lonewolf noticed. @dulsi: About the Darian vs Salamander fight: Thanks for running! no reason to edit anything, but I have a few notes anyway: - You missed Darians running Share Pain. - I asked for 10pp Energy balls, while you only used 7pp ones. - 7pp greater endowed energy balls would only have a DC of 23. - Darians Concentration modifier is +19, not +9 => he autosuceeds checks to recover his psionic focus. - The DC for the Energy missiles from the Droje is only 14. EDIT: One thing needs to be fixed though: you missed Darians Political Career +26%, increasing his rewards to 3780xp & 7308gp. I wondered how I got +9 for Concentration. Looks like I used Crab's Concentration. Fixed the rewards as requested.
Erithmu 05-06-08, 12:26 PM	Never mind; Lorian vs Owen is up. Rewards in the morning. And yes, I replaced the Strength modifier with Intelligence on telekinetic grapple damage. It says "everywhere", and it means everywhere. I could run the extra rounds of Lorian moving over and CDGing Owen repeatedly, but Wraith's luck thus far doesn't suggest that it will matter. @CrazyArtificer: Thanks for the rerun. No complaints this time except that I lost ;).Yea ... There is stuff I could argue but they are all Pitlord improv that are sort of beyond the basic/obvious. Using See Invis is easy, using D.Door to teleport straight up (400 +18*40= 1120 ft + Diagonal) ... not so easy. gg T10 ... might have to look to do a separate fight thread next time ... fights get nasty at this level.
lonewolf 05-06-08, 01:40 PM	@Callix: just curios: in the Lord Lorian vs Owen fight, shouldnt Lord Lorian break his invisibility in round 1 by manifesting the telekinetic maneuver? Dunno if that would change anything.
Erithmu 05-06-08, 02:20 PM	@Callix: just curios: in the Lord Lorian vs Owen fight, shouldnt Lord Lorian break his invisibility in round 1 by manifesting the telekinetic maneuver? Dunno if that would change anything. It doesn't. I wrote tactics poorly and I didn't have Nest go for any offensive spells. I needed something like Nest casting Stinking cloud in there to be effective (and it would have since he wouldn't have been able to switch it to his psi crystal).
McJarvis 05-06-08, 02:58 PM	It doesn't. I wrote tactics poorly and I didn't have Nest go for any offensive spells. I needed something like Nest casting Stinking cloud in there to be effective (and it would have since he wouldn't have been able to switch it to his psi crystal). psicrystals only have sight out to 40'.[and then it just stops] Why would it be able to maintain a power on you? it looks like it was more than 40' away at all times, so the Telekinetic Manuver should stop the moment Lorian moves it to his psicrystal. [no LOS on target] Sighted (Ex): Although it has no physical sensory organs, a psicrystal can telepathically sense its environment as well as a creature with normal vision and hearing. Darkness (even supernatural darkness) is irrelevant, as are areas of supernatural silence, though a psicrystal still can’t discern invisible or ethereal beings. A psicrystal’s sighted range is 40 feet.
CrazyArtificer 05-06-08, 03:10 PM	Rewards for Shaela vs Soren (http://forums.gleemax.com/leaving.php?destination=http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php%3Fp%3D15781164%26postcount% 3D1969) are up
Callix 05-06-08, 04:52 PM	@Callix: just curios: in the Lord Lorian vs Owen fight, shouldnt Lord Lorian break his invisibility in round 1 by manifesting the telekinetic maneuver? Dunno if that would change anything. Also, TK Maneuver doesn't make an attack roll, so I thought it wouldn't break invisibility. As it won't affect anything, I won't edit, but I would like to know for future reference.
lonewolf 05-06-08, 04:58 PM	Also, TK Maneuver doesn't make an attack roll, so I thought it wouldn't break invisibility. As it won't affect anything, I won't edit, but I would like to know for future reference. Magic Missiles also dont require an attack roll... :rolleyes: Its the offensive action that counts.
Callix 05-06-08, 05:20 PM	Rewards for Lorian vs Owen are up. I get Lorian +58%, Owen +23%.
McJarvis 05-06-08, 05:22 PM	Rewards for Lorian vs Owen are up. I get Lorian +58%, Owen +23%. I think you missed my comment. (see above two or three posts). The Telekinetic manuver would have been toasted the moment lorian changed concentration to the psicrystal.
Erithmu 05-06-08, 06:21 PM	Rewards for Lorian vs Owen are up. I get Lorian +58%, Owen +23%.Should be 8.3333 on the Pegasus (CR4/Max 12 *.25 = 8.333) So ... Lorian: 43+25-8.333 = 59.667 Owen: 13+8.333 = 21.333 Little off
hogarth 05-06-08, 07:41 PM	psicrystals only have sight out to 40'.[and then it just stops] Why would it be able to maintain a power on you? it looks like it was more than 40' away at all times, so the Telekinetic Manuver should stop the moment Lorian moves it to his psicrystal. [no LOS on target] As far as I know, you don't need line-of-sight to concentrate on a power. I think you just need line-of-effect. I could be missing a rule somewhere, though...
lonewolf 05-07-08, 09:19 AM	@McJarvis: Could you please add the rewards to the Korwald vs Dentik fight? IŽd like to activate Korwald again for this week.
McJarvis 05-07-08, 09:22 AM	@McJarvis: Could you please add the rewards to the Korwald vs Dentik fight? IŽd like to activate Korwald again for this week. These forum glitches are preventing me from doing so :(
TelinArtho 05-07-08, 09:58 AM	If you click on this link - can you edit? In any case, I think these are the rewards - since I want to have Dentik crafting I figured I would do them up real quick: Dentik loses and gains 600xp +12.5% (-12.5% (elementals) + 25% (horse and hippogriff)) = 675xp / 750gp. Dentik's on his third fight and used no expendables. Korwald wins and gains 1800xp + 30.5% (-25% (horse and hippogriff) + 12.5% (elementals) + 18% (politics) = 2349xp / 2610gp. Time Between Fights: 3 hrs Prebuffs/Ongoing Effects: Items Used: Scroll of Bull's Strength (CL3), Scroll of Bless (CL2), Spells or Powerpoints Used: Divine Favor x/day Abilities Used: Defensive Precognition PLA, Force Screen PLA, Free Activity: Profession + 146.28gp
McJarvis 05-07-08, 10:02 AM	If you click on this link - can you edit? In any case, I think these are the rewards - since I want to have Dentik crafting I figured I would do them up real quick: Dentik loses and gains 600xp +12.5% (-12.5% (elementals) + 25% (horse and hippogriff)) = 675xp / 750gp. Dentik's on his third fight and used no expendables. Korwald wins and gains 1800xp + 30.5% (-25% (horse and hippogriff) + 12.5% (elementals) + 18% (politics) = 2349xp / 2610gp. Time Between Fights: 3 hrs Prebuffs/Ongoing Effects: Items Used: Scroll of Bull's Strength (CL3), Scroll of Bless (CL2), Spells or Powerpoints Used: Divine Favor x/day Abilities Used: Defensive Precognition PLA, Force Screen PLA, Free Activity: Profession + 146.28gp Thank you much telin, that did the trick :) edit- though after I saved it just brought me to a white screen. It seemed to take, though...
TelinArtho 05-07-08, 10:13 AM	No problem - glad I could help.