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Sindorin 07-06-05, 03:33 PM	This thread is for questions, comments, and concerns solely regarding the pairings, quests, and campaigns for this week. When you comment you should be nice. If you are not nice, well, there is not really much we can do except burn you in effigy, the patriot way. This is a link to the rules here: The Rules of Gladius (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=448520)
SoulLord 07-06-05, 03:46 PM	Vandelar (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6452290&postcount=300) and Heindal (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6204381&postcount=279) Are ready for this week's matchup. Can the oh mighty elders confirm that the spells have to be memorized for all week and thus showing it to the opponents as stated in the quickguide. Or has this Extra requirement been removed in the new and updated Rules of Gladius.
Sindorin 07-06-05, 04:06 PM	Yes, you must show what you have prepared if you are a prepared caster. Anything not shown is considered used.
Pitlords 07-06-05, 04:49 PM	Which Campaigns are active? I know of Huan's because I am in there, although neither Sinnoch nor Sokai are set ready. Baelin told me about a Quest he goes on with Nyte but I haven't heard about that. Some Gladiators are set "Ready for Campaign". Which one? When? Who's Arion Hunter the Verdant Lord? He's listed on Uther's Campaign. When I check the titles, I read things like 5/6/7 or 7/6/5 or 6/7/5. Europeans write the day before the month, Asians the other way around, and Americans like they want. Please write a clear date: 6.July, or July 6 if you wish; Year is not necessary. Please guys, I wanted to tell you that last week and the week before: it's already a lot of work and requires concentration to do the pairings. If I have to check such things myself the time and workload increases tremendously. Last wednesday: 4 hours pairings. Thanks for understanding.
Gonbow 07-06-05, 05:00 PM	My apologizes for any lack of clarity in the titles for my characters. For both Terminus Est (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6576080) and Nicolae (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6594927), 7/6 means July 6th. I shall change the titles to something less ambigous after my fights for the week are done.
Sindorin 07-06-05, 05:01 PM	Sokai is not set ready because the miniquest he was on is not finished.
SoulLord 07-06-05, 05:14 PM	Which Campaigns are active? I know of Huan's because I am in there, although neither Sinnoch nor Sokai are set ready. Baelin told me about a Quest he goes on with Nyte but I haven't heard about that. Some Gladiators are set "Ready for Campaign". Which one? When? Who's Arion Hunter the Verdant Lord? He's listed on Uther's Campaign. When I check the titles, I read things like 5/6/7 or 7/6/5 or 6/7/5. Europeans write the day before the month, Asians the other way around, and Americans like they want. Please write a clear date: 6.July, or July 6 if you wish; Year is not necessary. Please guys, I wanted to tell you that last week and the week before: it's already a lot of work and requires concentration to do the pairings. If I have to check such things myself the time and workload increases tremendously. Last wednesday: 4 hours pairings. Thanks for understanding. As a way to speed things up for the pairings and then for the pitlords perhaps we can add the characters we want to participate for the week with a link to their sheet..
Malither76 07-06-05, 05:16 PM	Uthers campaing is supposed to start today, so that is what Gareth is for, We had also talked about Shadow going on another quest but he is pretty busy now so shadow can just be ready for a monster fight unless pairing are odd, then give him a gladiator
Iced 07-06-05, 05:19 PM	what did we recieve for the team fight vs Jindi and Laph?
Sindorin 07-06-05, 05:27 PM	it is posted in the comments thread from last week.
Sindorin 07-06-05, 06:22 PM	Tactics for Xaseus sent to Cerebus13 :eek: .
Pitlords 07-06-05, 06:33 PM	PAIRINGS DONE Credit Changes: +6: Huan +5: Jindl +4: -- +3: King Uther, +2: Luni, Cerebus, Malither, Pittbull, Xanadu, Iced, Sindorin +1: Caterane, Deadly Assassin, Kaigan, Megrim, Mindrogue, Rim-Soulfang, Salrantol, Soullord, Zerone +0: -- -2: Tellish Credits for Pitlording: +3: Jindl +2: Caterane, Kaigan, Luni, Malither, Pittbull, Xanadu, Zerone +1: Cerebus, Huan, Iced, Megrim, Mindrogue, Rim-Soulfang, Salrantol, Soullord Credits for Active PCs: -1: Kaigan, Zerone, Tellish, Luni -2: Caterane Credits for Questlords: +4: King Uther, Huan +2: Iced, Jindl, Deadly Assassin Credits for Questers: -1: Caterane, Huan, Iced, Zerone, Deadly Assassin, King Uther, Tellish Credits for Campaignlords: +2: Sindorin, Huan Special Credits: +2: Caterane (admin, story), Cerebus, Luni, Zerone (all stories) Announcements: Zerone gets an extra credit for his story in Sokai Calanis vs. Gatti's Grand Piano where Sokai defeats an animated construct. Cerebus deserves one too for his nice Inihe Rotblume vs Hagrid II story. Let's don't forget Luni's story of how Fasin kicked THE PALE-RIDERS BUTT!!!. Yes he did. And finally, I'll give myself ahem a credit for the happening in Village of the Dead. I am glad to see the second Campaign going and even glader to have a character in there. The Arbiter War goes into week 1. Huan! We will all enjoy it! And we have a birthday child today!! Pittbull goes into Round 29 of his life, and we all hope many more will follow, especially in the CoCo. Peter, I wish you all the best! Your participation and passion in the CoCo is "vorbildlich" :) Halt die Ohren steif und feier schön!!!! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: http://www.sebastian-sutor.de/smilies/birthday.gif http://www.sebastian-sutor.de/smilies/birthday.gif http://www.sebastian-sutor.de/smilies/birthday.gif - I've posted above some things. Please read it if you haven't already. - Then, what about the other Campaigns? When are they going to start? Monster fights: Felice vs (20 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=113622)) Carrion Crawler Asmeroviel vs (1d3 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=113652)) (40 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=113650)) 2 Gargoyles Uhmentarymster vs (73 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=113656)) Green Slaad MerMan vs (73 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=113658)) Green Slaad Anna vs (1d3 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=113668))(82 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=113667)) 2 Elder Xorns @Jindl: If you want to cancel the monster fight, tell me. It's pretty pointless in Anna's case, and you'd just level away again before the lower PCs can get you.
Zerone 07-06-05, 06:47 PM	Asmeroviel vs (1d3) (40) 3 Gargoyles The roll and under the 'Characters' thread it says 2 but here it says 3, just wondering how many it is? ;) Also, if it's ok with the Pitlords and Sokai's Campaignlord, I'd like to rework the Sokai vs. Gatti's Grand Piano fight as it is incorrect? If it is ok, Sindorin can send me some new tactics and I'll finish it this week. I should have noticed the problem, my fault... :smirk: sorry to everyone involved. *•. Z Happy Birthday Pittbull!!! :pile::bounce:
SoulLord 07-06-05, 06:49 PM	Terminus Est (Gonbow) vs Vandelar the Red (SoulLord): Rim-Soulfang Just so you don't miss me :)
Luni 07-06-05, 06:50 PM	Happy Birthday, Pitbull! :bounce: @Caterane: I should only get +2 credits, as I am running 3 Gladiators, and that should be a -1
Pauper 07-06-05, 07:30 PM	Some questions regarding the rules - apologies if they've been asked before and I couldn't find them: - Do characters with multiple caster classes take the 1/3 limit on each of their classes, or are those class spell levels combined to determine the number of levels that can be cast in the arena? If the latter, can the character cast spells from any class up to the limit, or is the character limited by class spell levels? Example: Pauper is a Bard2/Wizard1 with both Cha and Int higher than 12. He can cast one first level bard spell per day, and two first level wizard spells per day. In the arena, can he cast one spell level regardless of class (three total spell levels divided by three), one level of bard spells and one leve of wizard spells (1/3 of each class, minimum one level), or can he not cast anything higher than a cantrip (because he doesn't have at least three spell levels in either class)? - When casting summon monster, is the character limited to the monster options listed in the Player's Handbook? If not, what is the criteria for determining what is a legal monster to summon via any particular summon monster spell? Is a caster limited by alignment when choosing what monsters to summon? If a monster option is templated, can the caster choose to summon a similar creature with a different, CR-equivalent template? Example: Pauper wishes to cast summon monster I. Pauper is Lawful Good. Is Pauper limited to summoning only lawful good creatures from the PH list? Can he summon any lawful or good creature? Can he summon any creature? Would the result be different if Pauper were a divine caster? Could Pauper elect to summon a celestial raven instead of the listed fiendish raven, as the celestial and fiendish templates are CR-equivalent? - Can a character surrender in the arena? Other than automatically suffering a loss in the fight in question, are there any other effects of surrender? As you might guess, the answers to some of these questions will affect which tactics I submit for the upcoming fight, so any reasonably definitive answer would be appreciated ASAP. ("A good plan right now is better than the perfect plan next week." - George S. Patton) -- Pauper
Pitlords 07-06-05, 07:40 PM	Do characters with multiple caster classes take the 1/3 limit on each of their classes, or are those class spell levels combined to determine the number of levels that can be cast in the arena? Seperately. When casting summon monster, is the character limited to the monster options listed in the Player's Handbook? Yes. Only those in the list. Can a character surrender in the arena? Other than automatically suffering a loss in the fight in question, are there any other effects of surrender? You can surrender. No ill side-effects. The roll and under the 'Characters' thread it says 2 but here it says 3, just wondering how many it is? Let's click on the roll, shall we ;) It's 2.
Salrantol 07-06-05, 07:50 PM	Example: Pauper wishes to cast summon monster I. Pauper is Lawful Good. Is Pauper limited to summoning only lawful good creatures from the PH list? Can he summon any lawful or good creature? Can he summon any creature? Being a wizard, he can summon any creature on the SM1 list. Would the result be different if Pauper were a divine caster? If Pauper were a cleric he could only summon non-chaotic, non-evil creatures, since as a lawful good cleric he is forbidden from casting chaotic or evil spells.
Salrantol 07-06-05, 08:01 PM	Note to xanadu and Pittbull: When I updated Enoch for levelling, I missed his HP somehow--it should read: Hit Points: 29 [4 HD] [8+13.5+8]
Salrantol 07-06-05, 09:18 PM	@Pittbull: Tactics for Enoch the Prophet sent via PM. Happy birthday! @Caterane: Tactics for Felice tu`Ria sent via PM.
Tellish_of_Ket 07-06-05, 09:36 PM	@LUNI: Tactics for Pale sent.
Gonbow 07-06-05, 09:43 PM	@Rim-Soulfang: Tactics for Terminus Est (Gonbow) vs Vandelar the Red (SoulLord) sent.
Huan 07-06-05, 09:44 PM	@Caterane, Sindorin, Sunwolf, King Uther, Xanadu, Zerone Well, it seems only Sunwolf and Caterane set their characters as completely ready. Now, since a campaign is very big deal with many risks, the last thing I want to do is rush any of you or send you in unprepared (last I checked Hell is not a friendly place ;) ). King Uther did not set Sinnoch to 'ready' yet, Xanadu's Necavi has a 'sort of' tagged on :confused:, and Sindorin's Sokai is working out his followers.... Ok, so here is what I suggest: I will give a 1 day grace for all this, so Xanadu can resolve the 'sort of' thing, King Uther can set Sinnoch ready properly, and Sokai can manage his followers all right....and we start tomorrow. How's that for everyone? Zerone, if you are strapped for time between now and tomorrow, just send me Sindorin's new tactics I can rework the miniquest post-haste. Otherwise, I would greatly appreciate it if you could get it done rather quickly (my apologies for forcing the rush job). I did enjoy your story, though. :) ~Random: I very much enjoyed Caterane's story too, and second the credit award. Also, I very much appreciated the concrete xp/gp breakdown (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6618814), so this will be a big help to myself and the other pit/quest/campaignlords handling PC of differing levels. @Everyone (especially my players) I have an "open door" policy with my IM... If you see me online, then I am available, so feel free to send me a message or question. If you don't see me online... well, obviously 'now' is not a good time, heh. My handles: Y!: oni_black_mage AIM: Oni Black Mage MSN: Chaotic_Phoenix@Hotmail.com -Huan
Tellish_of_Ket 07-06-05, 09:57 PM	A bonus credit should be given to the first three pitlords that post their fights. Maybe that'd be a small incentive to get the fights in sooner. Just a thought. Might be a bad one, might be a good one, who knows. -ToK
Jh316 07-06-05, 10:13 PM	That might lead to rushing and sloppy fights, though.
Zerone 07-06-05, 10:25 PM	A bonus credit should be given to the first three pitlords that post their fights. Maybe that'd be a small incentive to get the fights in sooner. Just a thought. Might be a bad one, might be a good one, who knows. -ToK I'm not trying to shoot you down as I like the thought, but only available to those Pitlords who are lucky enough to have tactics sent to them early... @ Huan: I have not received tactics for Sokai as of yet. When I do I'll whip out the fight - no worries ;) . *•. Z
Huan 07-06-05, 10:33 PM	@ Huan: I have not received tactics for Sokai as of yet. When I do I'll whip out the fight - no worries ;) . *•. Z Thanks, bud. :) (C'mon Sindorin, you can take down this piano pronto!) @Xanadu If you still want to acquire an animal ally, then IM/PM me and we can discuss it (we can work it into the campaign, no problem).
Jh316 07-06-05, 10:38 PM	Um...Honestly, I don't think Astrid is ready for a team fight. She's never played DnD before, just a bit of some White Wolf game. I pretty much had to hold her hand all the way through character creation.
Luni 07-06-05, 10:48 PM	Tok & Pauper. Tactics Received. @Caterane: I'll post the Slaad's equipment up when I get off work. @My Pitlords: Tactics to come soon.
King Uther 07-06-05, 11:41 PM	@ Caterane - I intended to start my campaign today, and having the intro set up completely by tomorrow. I haven't checked to see if everyone is set as ready. Arion the Verdant Lord is Megrim's character, whom I am guessing did not PM you about himself. @Huan Sinnoch is ready, but just in case I will look over him and prepare accordingly. @All gladiators in campaign After the introduction is done, we start roleplay. You have about 12-13 hours to edit from this post. Be prepared.
Iced 07-06-05, 11:51 PM	@Jh316 - Well I sent Astrid my suggestions for tactics as well as my ideas on the team fight situation. I THINK I did a good job explaining the situation... If she has any questions, comments, or concerns she is completely free to drop me a PM. If run correctly I believe that we have a solid chance for victory in this fight, just hope Astrid's as up to it as her character is. ;) P.S. I did use some DnDish tecnical terms that she may or may not understand if she's new, Astrid if you're out there reading this then please ask me any questions that you have! ~Iced
Jindl 07-07-05, 12:53 AM	And we have a birthday child today!! Pittbull goes into Round 29 of his life, and we all hope many more will follow, especially in the CoCo. Peter, I wish you all the best! Your participation and passion in the CoCo is "vorbildlich" :) Halt die Ohren steif und feier schön!!!! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: http://www.sebastian-sutor.de/smilies/birthday.gif http://www.sebastian-sutor.de/smilies/birthday.gif http://www.sebastian-sutor.de/smilies/birthday.gif Happy B-day Pittbull. <grumbles something about everybody ignoring his own birthday...> Monster fights: Felice vs (20 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=113622)) Carrion Crawler Asmeroviel vs (1d3 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=113652)) (40 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=113650)) 2 Gargoyles Uhmentarymster vs (73 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=113656)) Green Slaad MerMan vs (73 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=113658)) Green Slaad Anna vs (1d3 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=113668))(82 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=113667)) 2 Elder Xorns @Jindl: If you want to cancel the monster fight, tell me. It's pretty pointless in Anna's case, and you'd just level away again before the lower PCs can get you. Why not cancel Merman's and Anna's individual monster fights and pair them against each other? I did set Anna ready for ECL8 opponents... Or is the fish a little chicken (of the sea)? If he is, Anna could face the old guy instead. On another note, please make mention on the pairings post that JotHF is spending the week completing crafting of his peraipt of wis +4. -Jindl
Sindorin 07-07-05, 03:05 AM	Actually, I did send tactics to Zerone after I found out that the first run wasn't legal. I'll send them again, though... :rolleyes: I'm really sorry about this, Huan. I wanted to have the stinking followers two weeks ago so I would have plenty of time for figuring out what to buy.
Caterane 07-07-05, 03:14 AM	Happy B-day Pittbull. <grumbles something about everybody ignoring his own birthday...> OMG Jindl!! I totally forgot! And not just yours... JUN 23: Jindl (1976) JUN 29: Cellardweller (1976) JUL 01: WizO_Shadow (1977) JUL 06: Pittbull (1976) JUL 11: TaggIIV (1990) JUL 17: T'Var (1979) JUL 28: The Core Coliseum (2003) Jindl and Cellardweller, I wish the two of you all the best for entering the second period of your life! :D You're both doing a great job here and your impressive knowledge of the d&d rules has helped us greatly. I hope we can benefit from it for a long long time. http://www.sebastian-sutor.de/smilies/troet.gif http://www.sebastian-sutor.de/smilies/birthday.gif Why not cancel Merman's and Anna's individual monster fights and pair them against each other? I did set Anna ready for ECL8 opponents... Or is the fish a little chicken (of the sea)? If he is, Anna could face the old guy instead. On another note, please make mention on the pairings post that JotHF is spending the week completing crafting of his peraipt of wis +4. -Jindl LOL the old taunt trick; lets see... Caterane: will save (20!) Neither Uhme nor Merman is prepared for Anna. I thought I'll get Luken but he was only ready for "campaign" :/ Perhaps next week, but perhaps I'm just gonna wait till we're equal in level...
Tellish_of_Ket 07-07-05, 03:18 AM	LOL the old taunt trick; lets see... Caterane: will save (20!) Neither Uhme nor Merman is prepared for Anna. I thought I'll get Luken but he was only ready for "campaign" :/ Perhaps next week, but perhaps I'm just gonna wait till we're equal in level... Nah, Cat likes fighting monsters who are specially trained with the "roll over, play dead" trick. lol -ToK
Sindorin 07-07-05, 03:23 AM	Tactics for Sokai's Miniquest have been PM'd for the 5th time. Not all of those were sent to Zerone...
Pittbull 07-07-05, 04:14 AM	Nah, Cat likes fighting monsters who are specially trained with the "roll over, play dead" trick. lol -ToK :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: @Jindl: Just a question: The xorns have earth-glide and won't come out, being afraid of your swords. Since Anna is able to fight subterran, there is a still a way how to run the fight. But here are my questions: • Does tremorsense work against Anna? I think, no! • Being subterran Anna can make touch-attacks easily, but what's about the Xorns. • Does anybody know, how Xorns can do damage against Anna? EDIT: Thanks to all for the kind wishes!!!!
Jindl 07-07-05, 04:46 AM	@Jindl: Just a question: The xorns have earth-glide and won't come out, being afraid of your swords. Since Anna is able to fight subterran, there is a still a way how to run the fight. But here are my questions: • Does tremorsense work against Anna? I think, no! Neither tremorsense nor blindsense/blindsight will work against an incorporeal. • Being subterran Anna can make touch-attacks easily, but what's about the Xorns. They can attack while burrowing. For the effects of their attacks, see the next answer... • Does anybody know, how Xorns can do damage against Anna? They literally cannot harm her, unless they have some buffs. If they are supposed to have some equip, then let me know what it is prior to tactics (and for heavens sake, don't outfit them especially for Anna, its supposed to be generic equipment, if they get any at all). Note that the 10 round rule will likely come into play in this fight! -Jindl
Caterane 07-07-05, 05:45 AM	The Xorns have no equipment and cannot harm Anna. This fight is over before it begins. That's why I asked Jindl if he wants to withdraw from that farce of a fight.
Rim-Soulfang 07-07-05, 06:41 AM	Looks like Caterane has decided to permanently give me Vandelar, this is the 3rd time in 3 pairings i have gotten him.
Salrantol 07-07-05, 07:34 AM	@Rim-Soulfang: Look at Eiletha Surion (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=5181130)'s pairings. It happens.
Tellish_of_Ket 07-07-05, 09:23 AM	They literally cannot harm her, unless they have some buffs. If they are supposed to have some equip, then let me know what it is prior to tactics (and for heavens sake, don't outfit them especially for Anna, its supposed to be generic equipment, if they get any at all). Note that the 10 round rule will likely come into play in this fight! -Jindl I was always under the assumption (and i quickly tried looking it up but can't find it right now) that a creature with DR X/xxx is considered to have it's attacks count as magical attacks for the purpose of damage reduction. So it could attack Anna but would get a 50/50 miss chance. Problem...anna (as a ghost) cannot see through solid objects. Thus if she has any way of finding the xorn, i'm afriad she would also suffer a 50/50 miss chance if she can pinpoint the square it's in. I could be off here, but i will look more diligently later. -ToK **edit MM, page 310: Incorporeal An incorporeal creature can enter or pass through solid objects but must remain adjacent to the object's exterior, and so cannot pass entirely through an object whose space is larger than its own. It can sense the presence of creatures or objects within a square adjacent to its current location, but enemies have total concealment (50 % miss chance) from an incorporeal creater that is inside an object. In order to see farther from the object it is in and attck normally, the incorporeal creature must emerge. An incorporeal creature inside an object has total cover, but when it attacks a creature outside the object it only has cover, so a creatrure outside with a readied action could strike at it as it attcks. SO the way i read it, Anna cannot attack the xorn while it is completely submerged unless it's "skimming" the surface where anna can attack it, but she would still suffer a 50/50 miss chance. And Anna cannot give chase to the xorn if it "dives deep" into the soil. But then the 10 round rule will prolly kill it. Unless it has a ghost-touch item or something, i'm afraid that in the long run, no matter how long or boring a fight it might be, Anna is 99% assured victory. -ToK
Pittbull 07-07-05, 09:31 AM	Xorns have no treasure, does this mean that Anna gets only XP from this fight and no gp? @Xanadu: Tactics for Hagrid's fight are sent.
Zerone 07-07-05, 09:38 AM	Sokai Calanis vs. Gatti's Grand Piano (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6618293&postcount=82) is revamped. The xp and gp rewards have changed due to Sokai needing to bring Seylah, but I wish for the Pitlords to figure out the xp/gp penalty for bringing her. Also, all the 'er' problems in the story have been changed to 'is' corrections... I think Sindorin will get this... Sorry bud! :D *•. Z
Cerebus13 07-07-05, 09:48 AM	@Sindorin - tactics received @Superdank - need tactics @Zerone - tactics sent off for Guts I am going out of town again this weekend but this should be my last trip for a month or so (hopefully!). This means unless I probably won't be able to get the fight up until Sunday evening.
Kaigan 07-07-05, 10:02 AM	@Everyone: I have a question. My character Rayos is fighting Zubair this week. First thing: He has a wand of entangle listed for 750 gp. A ranger wand of entangle is 1500 gp. Second thing: He has a wand of cure light wounds listed. I'm not sure he can use one. The description of Use wand from the Use magical device description is as follows. Use a Wand: Normally, to use a wand, you must have the wand’s spell on your class spell list. This use of the skill allows you to use a wand as if you had a particular spell on your class spell list. This use of the skill also applies to other spell trigger magic items, such as staffs. The bolded part says that you need to have the wand's spell on your class list which he doesn't. Also, he really doesn't have entangle on his class list either. He only has 1 level of ranger, so is unable to cast spells. So my main concern: Has Zubair been using his wands illegally?
LLMadCow 07-07-05, 10:07 AM	I was always under the assumption (and i quickly tried looking it up but can't find it right now) that a creature with DR X/xxx is considered to have it's attacks count as magical attacks for the purpose of damage reduction. So it could attack Anna but would get a 50/50 miss chance. Here's what you are looking for: Some monsters are vulnerable to magic weapons. Any weapon with at least a +1 magical enhancement bonus on attack and damage rolls overcomes the damage reduction of these monsters. Such creatures’ natural weapons (but not their attacks with weapons) are treated as magic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. Note: Bold and Underline added for emphasis only, and were not originally in SRD. The Xorn have DR 5/Bludgeoning, so at this point they will not be damaging Anna. LLderCow PS - The death of Anna was some time back - go read the story, it was fun!
Sunwolf 07-07-05, 11:02 AM	@Everyone: I have a question. My character Rayos is fighting Zubair this week. First thing: He has a wand of entangle listed for 750 gp. A ranger wand of entangle is 1500 gp. Second thing: He has a wand of cure light wounds listed. I'm not sure he can use one. The description of Use wand from the Use magical device description is as follows. The bolded part says that you need to have the wand's spell on your class list which he doesn't. Also, he really doesn't have entangle on his class list either. He only has 1 level of ranger, so is unable to cast spells. So my main concern: Has Zubair been using his wands illegally? From SRD: Spell Trigger Spell trigger activation is similar to spell completion, but it’s even simpler. No gestures or spell finishing is needed, just a special knowledge of spellcasting that an appropriate character would know, and a single word that must be spoken. Anyone with a spell on his or her spell list knows how to use a spell trigger item that stores that spell. (This is the case even for a character who can’t actually cast spells, such as a 3rd-level paladin.) The user must still determine what spell is stored in the item before she can activate it. Activating a spell trigger item is a standard action and does not provoke attacks of opportunity. A ranger has CLW on his list as a 2nd level spell. From the above passage from the SRD someone who has a spell on their class list can use a wand of that spell even if they can't cast spells yet. Unless it is a class only spell wands are considered to be made by clerics, druids, or wizards.
King Uther 07-07-05, 11:46 AM	@ Sindorin and Megrim_Lord You need to set your characters as active for the campaign, and Megrim, you need to PM the Pitlords about Arion.
Zerone 07-07-05, 12:06 PM	Tactics Sent: The Battle Maiden, Saya to Megrim_Lord via PM Tactics Not Sent: Asmeroviel to Huan Tactics Received: Guts (Cerebus13) Tactics Not Received: Brilf Zephyr (Sunwolf) Kaigan (Kaigan) Baelin the Shadow (Malither76) *•. Z
Pitlords 07-07-05, 01:29 PM	Sokai Calanis vs. Gatti's Grand Piano (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6618293&postcount=82) is revamped. The xp and gp rewards have changed due to Sokai needing to bring Seylah, but I wish for the Pitlords to figure out the xp/gp penalty for bringing her. Also, all the 'er' problems in the story have been changed to 'is' corrections... I think Sindorin will get this... Sorry bud! :D *•. Z That's the fourth time this week. I'm not here to calculate the Rewards for everyone. Please do it yourself. We even have a Calculator for that, and it's clearly written in the Rules of Gladius.
SoulLord 07-07-05, 02:31 PM	Tactics for vandelar the red and heindal the big sent tactics for Sasha received.
King Uther 07-07-05, 02:42 PM	Campaign Thread "A New Threat" now active. Roleplay starts........now.
Pitlords 07-07-05, 03:22 PM	...and as soon as you tell me what's up with Aron, I'll set the Campaign online. Have you written a PM to Megrim? EDIT: Foudn the link (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6485119). First of all, he is not set ready. Infact, he is even listed as "Incomplete". Then, Megrim has not enough credits for this character, and I haven't included the credit cost for the Campaign in there. There are also mistakes in this sheet. For example, the stats for old age are wrong: he calculated the mental stats cumulatively (ok) but didn't do that with the physical stats. That sheets needs a checkup. And finally, I haven't seen Megrim around in some time. EDIT 2: Malither has not enough credits for the Campaign! And I have not included Aron in the Campaign. @Jindl: Craft note has been added to the Pairings Post.
Sindorin 07-07-05, 03:46 PM	Sokai has been set ready for The Arbiter War... sorry it took so long for something so trivial.
Pitlords 07-07-05, 03:51 PM	@Jindl and Deadly Assassin: Please open your Quest threads. And send me the necessary information, please, as described in the FAQ.
Luni 07-07-05, 04:03 PM	@Salrantol, Xanadu: Tactics have been sent @Kaigan: Still working on tactics. @Caterane: part 1 and Part 2 of your tactics have been received. You think I was going to have the Slaad play dead, Caterane? :D He just likes to drink his potions.
Zerone 07-07-05, 04:07 PM	That's the fourth time this week. I'm not here to calculate the Rewards for everyone. Please do it yourself. We even have a Calculator for that, and it's clearly written in the Rules of Gladius. But Lord Pitlords! You are the adopting Father of the CoCo! If we cannot turn to you for aid, then, I am afraid, all is lost. :tissue: As for the Calculator, my browser will not open it and I have no intentions of making it do so. Since it is not stated plainly within the Rules of Gladius thread, I'll assume that he receives a 25% xp/gp penalty. Cat, you've done a great deal so far and we know that many more things are in the works. For that you have my thanks, :clap: Yes it is frustrating when you are asked to do piddly things like calculate the xp/gp for a fight, but the problem lies within The Rules of Gladius: Cohorts and Allies section. In my opinion it is not 'clearly written in the Rules of Gladius'. It needs some clarifying, especially the part under How many cohorts/allies can I have?. This section is confusing, and since everyone is required to use it, it is an important area for new and old alike. Some minor revision and it could be a very simple area to navigate/understand. As it is now, it is confusing and awkward. I can offer some suggestions if you like, but do not wish to step on anyone's toes. *•. Z
Sindorin 07-07-05, 04:26 PM	It is pretty simple - since Seylah takes all of Sokai's ally allottment, her penalty of his exp and gp is 25%. If she were of lower level, she would suck less rewards. I already worked it in - I multiplied everything by .75.
Zerone 07-07-05, 04:42 PM	Yes it is simple, but to get to the point of understanding is not. Once you have the knowledge, anything is simple. I was just pointing out that the section on cohorts/allies and their xp/gp penalty is an important section that could be reworked to make it much easier to understand, especially for those who are new to the CoCo. ;) *•. Z
King Uther 07-07-05, 05:01 PM	If anyone needs experience calculated, just PM me and I can help you with it. @ Caterane Megrim PMed me and said he'd have it done, and I'll pay the remaining credit cost for him and anyone else that needs it for my campaign. If Arion isn't ready by tomorrow, I suppose I will accept anyone else who wants in. I have 1 or 2 people who could sub in real quick.
Pitlords 07-07-05, 05:03 PM	@Zoro: Ok, let's do it together ...with the FAQ only who is imo very clear. Peter, please pay attention too :) How to calculate XP - A Guide for CoCo Newbies: :P Step 1: The FAQ: Pitlording shows us that a Level 7 PC that defeats a CR 5 something gets 1050 XP. The table below says he also gets 1600 gold. Step 2: Now the ally reward modification. - Sokai is ECL 7. His maximum CA he can bring in is his ECL-2 which is (7-2) = 5. - Selma Hayek is ECL 5. She is the only ally so the CA = 5. That means Sokai has used his max.allowed potential. Let's look at the FAQ: Cohorts and Allies (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6466763), the section written in bold letters: You recieve (CA/maxCA*25) % less xp and gp for winning a fight. Similarly you receive opponents opponents (CA/maxCA*25) % more xp and gp for defeating a gladiator that uses allies. Ah, a formula. (CA/maxCA *25) in percent. CA of Selma is 5 Sokai's max CA is 5 5/5 = 1 1*25 = 25 in per cent: 25% That's what Sokai gets deducted from his rewards for a total of: Sokai wins and receives 788xp/1200gp (1050xp/1600gp -25%) On a sidenote, sorry if I am a bit blunt these days. I am working non-stop on papers for months now, and everytime I finish one, two new pop up. I've just finished a 60-pages expertise for some guys plus presented it on wednesday, hoping for some free time after that but I just got two new ones today :raincloud I have put aside some time for CoCo things which I use to keep everything running, writing tactics, and perhaps run a fight or two. The Quest and the Campaign are my "leisure" time. I don't calculate extra things like calculating rewards for you, explaining coco rules, answering questions on the tavern, etc into that time and I'm really very very grateful - I'm serious here! - for every post that answers these questions for me. If you see me marked as online, that's only because I leave the window open most of the time. Ok, enough whinning for today. On to work :whatsthis
Erithmu 07-07-05, 05:34 PM	Question regarding team battles: I sent some inital tactics to my teammate but have not heard back from him. I am wondering if I can submit tactics for our team if it starts to get late in terms of submitting tactics? Or am I only allowed to submit tactics for myself? This is for the ECL3 fight Malither76 is pitlording. PS: KerlanRayne - Hello?
Caterane 07-07-05, 05:40 PM	In such cases, it's always the best to write a PM. Someone might not check this thread. You can of course include some notes to what you want to do if your ally does X or Y. Of course, not optimal.
Salrantol 07-07-05, 05:45 PM	Are any of (a) renaissance weapons, (b) Asian weapons, (c) modern weapons, (d) futuristic weapons allowed? I am currently running a fight with a gladiator who has bombs (renaissance weapons), but has them rigged with delay fuses (not listed in the rules) which would make them more like dynamite (modern weapon). What is the ruling of this?
Sindorin 07-07-05, 06:06 PM	Whoa... those aren't legal here... at least I'm pretty sure they aren't. Otherwise, expect Xaseus to be wielding a heavy laser or something ridiculous very soon.
King Uther 07-07-05, 06:58 PM	I would assume any items with a price would be allowed, while others are considered artifacts and thus shouldn't be allowed.
Erithmu 07-07-05, 07:08 PM	non teamwork Tactics emailed to Malither76
Gonbow 07-07-05, 07:10 PM	@Kaigan Tactics for Alfred (McJarvis) & Zar (Rim-Soulfang) vs Nicolae (Gonbow) & Lady Tira (Luni) sent.
Salrantol 07-07-05, 07:40 PM	An impressive upset, due to first-round LoS in Ariel vs. Shan (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=6637296&posted=1#post6637296).
Pitlords 07-07-05, 08:11 PM	I've added Arion to the Roster. Megrim Lord -20° Megrim Lord's Campaign debt has been payed by King Uther. Malither's Campaign debt has been payed by King Uther. King Uther -9° King Uther is doing everyone a huge favor by paying credits for their characters. And not only for his own Campaign; last week he payed for someone who went on sindorin's Campaign. I can't underline enough how great a gesture that is but I also want to ask you to pay your credits yourself. It shouldn't be too hard to gather 5°. Moderate 2 fights a week, and write a short story for one of them; request a monster fight if you're really short on time, and don't post late. PS: This will probably be the last week with Monsterfights until I have figured out a better way how to handle them. They will be replaced by All vs All fights. Monsterfights will come back, of course.
King Uther 07-07-05, 08:39 PM	Well, I don't mind paying credits to make sure the campaign thing goes on unhitched. I think it adds a a lot to the COCO. Plus, if I ever find myself credit poor, I'm sure someone would help me with that.
Megrim_Lord 07-07-05, 08:48 PM	@ Caterane - I intended to start my campaign today, and having the intro set up completely by tomorrow. I haven't checked to see if everyone is set as ready. Arion the Verdant Lord is Megrim's character, whom I am guessing did not PM you about himself. @Huan Sinnoch is ready, but just in case I will look over him and prepare accordingly. @All gladiators in campaign After the introduction is done, we start roleplay. You have about 12-13 hours to edit from this post. Be prepared. I didn't PM because I wasn't done, but it looks like I'll have to start now and stat out my summons later, if that's alright. My bad for not paying attention to the date. I also apologize to King Uther for being a leech, it wasn't my intention. Also, Cat, sorry but I really don't have time right now to do the randomly paired quest thing. I'm working on a quest plus all of my other boards responsibilities have my head corkscrewing down my neck. If I'm lucky I should be able to catch up soon.
Zerone 07-07-05, 08:54 PM	Also, Cat, sorry but I really don't have time right now to do the randomly paired quest thing. Does that mean Saya's mini-quest for a Dire Bat? If so, can someone else take it? It should be a rather straight forward battle for an easy credit. I'd do it, but since it is my character... I don't think it'd be ok with the Pitlords... *•. Z
Pitlords 07-07-05, 08:54 PM	MEGRIM IS BACK!!!! Does that mean you won't participate in the Campaign? You didn't really tell us. What about Aron? Ready? He's on the Roster. Fight has been reassigned: The Battle Maiden, Saya (Zerone) miniquests for a direbat: Megrim Lord Sindorin Megrim -1°, Sindorin +1° @Steve: I've already deducted both Campaign fees so you're at 3°.
Tellish_of_Ket 07-07-05, 09:04 PM	MEGRIM IS BACK!!!! Does that mean you won't participate in the Campaign? You didn't really tell us. What about Aron? Ready? He's on the Roster. Fight has been reassigned: The Battle Maiden, Saya (Zerone) miniquests for a direbat: Megrim Lord Sindorin Megrim -1°, Sindorin +1° @Steve: I've already deducted both Campaign fees so you're at 3°. I'll take the dire bat fight if a pitlord is still required. *edit: oops, i see sindorin has it. -ToK
Jindl 07-07-05, 09:35 PM	Are any of (a) renaissance weapons, (b) Asian weapons, (c) modern weapons, (d) futuristic weapons allowed? I am currently running a fight with a gladiator who has bombs (renaissance weapons), but has them rigged with delay fuses (not listed in the rules) which would make them more like dynamite (modern weapon). What is the ruling of this? no, no, no, and no. The optional weapons of other campaign settings in the DMG are not allowed. -Jindl
Zerone 07-07-05, 09:41 PM	Tactics Sent: The Battle Maiden, Saya to Megrim_Lord Sindorin via PM Asmeroviel to Huan Tactics Received: Guts (Cerebus13) and addendum Tactics Not Received: Brilf Zephyr (Sunwolf) Kaigan (Kaigan) Baelin the Shadow (Malither76) *•. Z Thanks ToK for offering to run Saya's mini-quest. While we never met before, as I began around the time you left, I have heard of your 'legends' and it is good to have you back... you prove them true! :cheer:
Luni 07-07-05, 09:47 PM	An impressive upset, due to first-round LoS in Ariel vs. Shan (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=6637296&posted=1#post6637296). Grapplers. First Round LoS :weep: . Ariel needs a strategy to defeat them. Notes: In round 3, Shan doubled moved. That means a -20 on his hide check. Though, I don't know if it would make any difference. Also, in round 7, when Ariel escapes the grapple, I don't think moving ould of made any sense. Moving proves an AoO, and ther is no way I could of moved out of his move + start grapple range. I would of preferred the drawing of my Scythe. I know it wasn't specified in my tactics, but I wasn't anticipating him to grapple me.
Salrantol 07-07-05, 09:54 PM	@Luni: Re: Round 3 Fixed, but it didn't matter. Skeleton A would've followed him and there still would have been a successful withdraw route to allow him to base Ariel. Re: Round 7 I looked at your options and saw either a 5' step away (and misc. move action) or move away. If you 5' step away, he 5' steps after you and nothing happens. If you move away (and make it), he has to provoke 2 AoOs from your skeletons to get back to you. I saw this as your best bet for success here, seeing as either way, you're not getting away from a grapple. Besides, you can't use a scythe in a grapple anyway (if you'd've had a light weapon, I'd've been using it).
Huan 07-07-05, 10:29 PM	@Zerone Tactics for Asmeroviel recieved, thank you. @Sindorin Nonsense... its not trivial at all. No need to apologize.
Tellish_of_Ket 07-07-05, 10:35 PM	Thanks ToK for offering to run Saya's mini-quest. While we never met before, as I began around the time you left, I have heard of your 'legends' and it is good to have you back... you prove them true! :cheer: Yup. School of hard-knocks graduate here. I often read about gladiators picking at every little straw in fights like they were the end of the world. How about losing a fight against an opponent, who just happened to "guess" which square you are in (never heard you, nor saw you), and charged through an obscuring mist (you, the part about where your movement is reduced to half and should end the charge?? nope, it didn't) and attacked me, critted (you know without any miss chance or concealment) and i died. Cuz stealth was annoying and the pitlord didn't wanna prolong the agony i'm thinking. And there wasn't a damn thing i could do about it. LOL, ah the good old days. Nowadays, gladiators have it much easier. Any and every little mistake and sometimes the outcome of a fight can change several times between saturday and tuesday. Sometimes i think it has to do with the waxing and waning of the moon, but who knows really. Anyhow bed time, gotta run....can't finish post...i'll finish it later when i come back from our trip. -ToK
Megrim_Lord 07-07-05, 10:47 PM	MEGRIM IS BACK!!!! Does that mean you won't participate in the Campaign? You didn't really tell us. What about Aron? Ready? He's on the Roster. Fight has been reassigned: The Battle Maiden, Saya (Zerone) miniquests for a direbat: Megrim Lord Sindorin Megrim -1°, Sindorin +1° @Steve: I've already deducted both Campaign fees so you're at 3°. Arion is ready, I just didn't stat out his summons, so I'll have to do that as we go
Sunwolf 07-07-05, 11:09 PM	@Zerone Tactics for Brilf sent by PM
Iced 07-08-05, 01:20 AM	@ Malither76 Tactics for team battle sent
Kaigan 07-08-05, 02:07 AM	@Zerone: Tactics for Kaigan sent via PM. @Caterane: Tactics for Aeiou sent via PM, sorry bout this, but i'll try to email them to you if you like. @Jindl: Tactics for Rayos sent via PM.
LLMadCow 07-08-05, 02:11 AM	Are any of (a) renaissance weapons, (b) Asian weapons, (c) modern weapons, (d) futuristic weapons allowed? I am currently running a fight with a gladiator who has bombs (renaissance weapons), but has them rigged with delay fuses (not listed in the rules) which would make them more like dynamite (modern weapon). What is the ruling of this? Well, I'd like to be able to say that I hate to disagree with another Elder (In this case, Jindl), but if I said that, I'd be lying! So, without further ado, I present to you the truth behind weapons! To address your question about what is and is not allowed, we will start here: Renaissance Weapons: Sadly, nothing from the book, but keep reading. Note: Forget the smoke bomb and instead just buy the smokestick; you save 50gp, it weighs 1/2 as much and it is faster to use. Asian Weapons: Sadly, no Blow Gun or Kusari-Gama, but YES, you can have a Wakizashi and a Katana! Modern Weapons: What were you thinking? Keep reading! Futuristic Weapons: Do you really want these when magic is so much better? Keep reading. Now, here is where everything starts to get exciting! One of the benefits of Living Gladius is that we can have fun with flavor text and ROLE PLAYING! I'll start simple and keep going until I get bored or too sleepy.... Japanese Weapon ... D&D Equivalent Fuetsu ............ Handaxe Masakar ........... Battleaxe Ono ............... Greataxe Bisento ........... Glaive Bo ................ Quarterstaff Nage-Yari ......... Short Spear Tetsubo ........... Greatclub Yari .............. Spear Wakizashi ......... [Ma]Shortsword Tachi ............. Longsword Katana ............ [Ma]Bastard Sword Nodachi ........... Greatsword :teach: Now for todays lesson: One of the main things to remember about Japanese swords is that, in general, most of the swords have one edge, as compared to the majority of the swords we see in use in D&D. So, even though the DMG tells us that the Katana is basically a Masterwork Bastard Sword (and I tend to agree), the Bastard Sword is actually double-edged with a roughly 48"-54" blade, whereas the Katana is single-edged with a roughly 36"-38" blade. The reason for the Katana always being considered Masterwork is due to the Japanese 'metal-folding' technique that was used and nigh-perfected. It made for a more solid edge and at the same time allow for flexibility. Warning! This is a bit of historical information that is, to the best of my knowledge and research, accurate. I have discussed this with a number of others who have similar interests, to include a collector of antique Katanas, and I have found nothing to dispute this; everything I have studied on this subject has either mentioned it or did not specify. What follows may be graphic for some, depending on how many movies you have watched.... As an added bonus, before a Katana was going to be given to a Samurai, it was actually tested; this testing process was often done on subjects from the prison populace. Each sword had to pass 3 specific cuts, otherwise it was useles in battle: diagonal cut from collar bone to hip, horizontal cut across the waist and then through the neck. (Note: I have to double check, but I am pretty sure that is what the 3 cuts were.) All cuts had to be complete. For the prisoners, it was considered a point of honor to die in such a manner, for such a noble cause; it may have been a form of redemption for them, since they were in prison and had brought shame to their family, at least they could have an honorable death. This is a very simple list. I could have made the list much longer, included many more weapons, expanded to other cultures and time periods. The point I am trying to make is that weapons are similar and this need to be acknowledged. If you have the books, read what the tables say and go from there. It tells you that a Katana is a Masterwork Bastard Sword. So, go buy a Masterwork Bastard Sword and call it a Katana. Just put some notes and make sure things are identified. Take a Human Fighter, make him Lawful Good or Lawful Neutral, go with TWF and for your bonus racial feat take Exotic WP - Bastard Sword. Buy a [Ma]Bastard Sword and a [Ma]Shortsword, throw some Light Armor on him and you are good to go. Declare that he is a Samurai and that is what we shall call him! If you call him Miyamoto Musashi, I will not forgive you! Have some fun with everything. Use your imagination. Be creative. Call a longbow a gun! So long as the gun has the same range, does the same damage, has the same critical chance, fires one shot at a time and has a 'quiver' full of 'bullets' for you to use, it's all good. I just wanted to make sure I got that little bit in there......
Luni 07-08-05, 02:34 AM	@kaigan: tactics for Lady Tira sent.
SoulLord 07-08-05, 09:14 AM	Tactics for niobe and sasha received. I'll try to run the fight this saturday or sunday as of today I'm getting married :) so there will be litle if any chance to be online. (just the civil ceremony)
xanadu 07-08-05, 05:48 PM	... nevermind
Caterane 07-08-05, 05:53 PM	They are not affected by fortitude or will save spells. Reflex is mentioned on the sheet (it has dex 20; see PHB entry). Hitpoints depend on my CL.
Megrim_Lord 07-08-05, 06:52 PM	<snip> Greatswords also make a nice stand in for a chainsaw
Mind Rogue 07-08-05, 10:55 PM	Tactics for niobe and sasha received. I'll try to run the fight this saturday or sunday as of today I'm getting married :) so there will be litle if any chance to be online. (just the civil ceremony) Congratulations.
McJarvis 07-08-05, 11:33 PM	@Kaigan: PM'd my tactics for Alfred Packer @Jindl: PM'd my tactics for Kon
Sindorin 07-09-05, 04:17 AM	Zerone's tactics for Saya have been received, and the fight is underway. Unfortunately, I think it may be unprofessional of me if I were to fall asleep while pitlording, so I believe sleep is in order. It will be up sometime this weekend.
Caterane 07-09-05, 06:04 AM	Felice vs Carrion Crawler :rolleyes: Huan, I need your tactics
Pitlords 07-09-05, 06:43 AM	QL Jindl: Start 6.July Spiguy (Tellish of Ket) is looking for Kelek's lost journal Questlog for <The Hunt for Kelek's Journal> [EL ??] Week 1: ...running. Week 2: Week 3: QL Deadly Assassin: Start 6.July Griff Mythral goes on a Quest Questlog for <???> [EL 6] Week 1: ...running. Week 2: Week 3: What's up with these Quests? Jindl, Deadly Assassin, please open the thread, and send me the necessary information. I don't even have the EL of Jindl's quest, or the name for DA's quest. PS: When you do, title it Quest - "NAME" [EL x]
Deadly Assassin 07-09-05, 06:52 AM	I never said my quest was ready. I still need an attainable quest goal from Iced.
Jindl 07-09-05, 09:19 AM	I never said my quest was ready. I still need an attainable quest goal from Iced. Mine wasn't ready either. Aren't you supposed to wait until the questlord sends you the quest outline for approval before saying that is ready to start? I've worked up 1 encounter of the quest so far, and I'll finish the rest on Sunday, so Tellish can definately start this Wednesday (or earlier if he likes). -Jindl
Pitlords 07-09-05, 10:33 AM	I'm not sure but I thought Tellish told me that the Quests starts this week. Can't remember for sure though because I delete the PMs after I make the appropriate change on the roster. Ok, misunderstanding probably.
SoulLord 07-09-05, 11:36 AM	Congratulations. Thanks For the good wishes. I appreciate them. Sasha vs Niobe is ready (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6649913&postcount=90)
Huan 07-09-05, 01:52 PM	*6 computer crashes and 48 hours later..* Okay, I'm back, and with a better computer...man, what a terrible time to be out of action for 2 days... I'm hustling now to make up for it, no worries.
Mind Rogue 07-09-05, 03:35 PM	The match for Sashara Mindweaver vs. Fasin Rockshield is ready. It was a close one, so you should all come read it.
Mind Rogue 07-09-05, 03:36 PM	Hey soulLord, Next time, would you give the lowdown on the dicerolls rather than just the final results. It took me some analyzing to realize that Sasha had scored a critical with both weapons on the same round. Then there is the question of why I didn't use the other tanglefoot bag like I said to... -Mind Rogue
Zerone 07-09-05, 03:54 PM	*6 computer crashes and 48 hours later..* Okay, I'm back, and with a better computer...man, what a terrible time to be out of action for 2 days... I'm hustling now to make up for it, no worries. You've no luck with computers lately? Good luck with the 'better computer'. Are you sure it isn't the user??? :chicken: :P :D *•. Z
Huan 07-09-05, 04:36 PM	@Caterane Belated tactics have been sent for Rook. Thanks for your patience. @Zerone Hey, I fixed the problem myself, I'm pretty proud of that. :P
Deadly Assassin 07-09-05, 05:42 PM	I'm not sure but I thought Tellish told me that the Quests starts this week. Can't remember for sure though because I delete the PMs after I make the appropriate change on the roster. Ok, misunderstanding probably. No problem, we all misunderstand people sometimes. My quest will be ready for the 13th, though, I'm just waiting on Iced.
Tellish_of_Ket 07-09-05, 05:50 PM	Mine wasn't ready either. Aren't you supposed to wait until the questlord sends you the quest outline for approval before saying that is ready to start? I've worked up 1 encounter of the quest so far, and I'll finish the rest on Sunday, so Tellish can definately start this Wednesday (or earlier if he likes). -Jindl I'm fine starting Wednesday. Sorry, i must have missed this post. Was getting a little nervous. -ToK
Kaigan 07-09-05, 08:43 PM	Kaigan here. I've received Tactics from Gonbow, Luni, and McJarvis. I'm running my fight tonight, so Rim-Soulfang if you want to send in tactics I would do so now. It won't really be fair for McJarvis if you don't send in any. On another note: I don't understand why people like to start out with either a scroll in one hand and a weapon in the other, or with two scrolls. It may just be me, but I thought you need two hands to cast from a scroll. One to hold the scroll and one for the "hand movements". Is this wrong? And are those gladiators just wasting a movement/round?
Tellish_of_Ket 07-09-05, 11:14 PM	Kaigan here. I've received Tactics from Gonbow, Luni, and McJarvis. I'm running my fight tonight, so Rim-Soulfang if you want to send in tactics I would do so now. It won't really be fair for McJarvis if you don't send in any. On another note: I don't understand why people like to start out with either a scroll in one hand and a weapon in the other, or with two scrolls. It may just be me, but I thought you need two hands to cast from a scroll. One to hold the scroll and one for the "hand movements". Is this wrong? And are those gladiators just wasting a movement/round? You are not wrong. They are wasting a movement in the beginning round. -ToK
SoulLord 07-09-05, 11:46 PM	Hey soulLord, Next time, would you give the lowdown on the dicerolls rather than just the final results. It took me some analyzing to realize that Sasha had scored a critical with both weapons on the same round. Then there is the question of why I didn't use the other tanglefoot bag like I said to... -Mind Rogue I'll try to give more detail next time, all the results are in the dice roller though. The dice did not love you this time as you can see by your opponent scoring 2 criticals on the same round. As for your other tanglefoot bag after you missed with the first one, if you had Missed again Sasha would have had an opportunity to leave unhindered and start sniping you as she had prepared to do so. Also engaging in melee was listed as something you wished to do. I'm sure next time the dice will be more fair to you, as they were the last time. Best wishes SoulLord
Jh316 07-10-05, 01:21 AM	Soullord: My rapier was poisoned, but you didn't make her save when I struck her with it.
SoulLord 07-10-05, 04:12 PM	Soullord: My rapier was poisoned, but you didn't make her save when I struck her with it. I see it's in your sheet, I missed it since it was not mentioned in your tactics, besides it would not have affected the result of the fight.
Rim-Soulfang 07-10-05, 05:12 PM	Vandelar vs Terminus (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6659823&postcount=93) is done.
Gonbow 07-10-05, 05:39 PM	Hiya. A few things about the fight: Correct me if I'm wrong... But when you have a spell of blur going, granting you concealment, you can attempt to hide no matter what, yes? That's why I used the dang thing in the first place, over a potion of invis :P I didn't see any spot checks by the hawk/Vandelar to see Terminus and then later the swarm to follow him. Swarm Range: Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) The swarm cant go further than that, IIRC? Familiar: If the familiar dies or is dismissed by the sorcerer, the sorcerer must attempt a DC 15 Fortitude saving throw. Failure means he loses 200 experience points per sorcerer level; success reduces the loss to one-half that amount. (Qouted from sorc text, wizards use the same, just replace sorcerer with wizard) Now, he gets off on the resummoning, because it ressurects, but I think he still has to make the check. Familiars are supposed to be protected in battle for a reason.
SoulLord 07-10-05, 06:27 PM	Swarm Range: Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) The swarm cant go further than that, IIRC? Familiar: If the familiar dies or is dismissed by the sorcerer, the sorcerer must attempt a DC 15 Fortitude saving throw. Failure means he loses 200 experience points per sorcerer level; success reduces the loss to one-half that amount. (Qouted from sorc text, wizards use the same, just replace sorcerer with wizard) Now, he gets off on the resummoning, because it ressurects, but I think he still has to make the check. Familiars are supposed to be protected in battle for a reason. The summon swarm range refers to the maximum range it can be cast. Afterwards there is nothing on the spell which says it would affect it; Just like the other summon monster spells. As for a familiars dying you could say the same for gladiators dying in which they would lose xp but the nimbus protects both.
xanadu 07-10-05, 07:23 PM	:censored: connection which doesn't save my edits. Minor change to Uhme Vs. Green Slaad fight in Pitlord comments which previously made me look like an :censored: Fight outcome is still the same.
Gonbow 07-10-05, 07:49 PM	As for a familiars dying you could say the same for gladiators dying in which they would lose xp but the nimbus protects both. Gladiator losing experience is not a function of dying, but of how they come back. A familiar's controller losing experience is a function of the bond, however briefly being severed. They don't get the xp back if the familiar comes back to life and is rebonded... Not in normal campaigns anyways. If it is different here, that's fine, just another Cool Thing that the nimbus does ;)
Tellish_of_Ket 07-10-05, 08:39 PM	Nope, you were correct the first time Gonbow. The caster in question whom lost their familiar will need to make that DC 15 fort save and lose the xp from the death of his/her familiar. I did read the fight and found it strange there were no hide/spot checks. Not sure what was planned, but no checks were made. But either way Rim will need to roll that fort save for the caster. -ToK
Cerebus13 07-10-05, 11:13 PM	Xaseus vs Elyus (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6661930&postcount=94) is up. Please check the comments for some stuff that needs fixing on your character sheets. Also let me know if my interpretation of the battle is correct....basically once Elyus gets disarmed of his bow and Xaseus runs away there is no way for Elyus to do anything but try to outlast his arrows. I'll write a story for it tomorrow. In the meantime if there are any questions/concerns let me know.
Rim-Soulfang 07-11-05, 04:34 AM	Xp loss added. Spot check for familiar to see Terminus added. But i fail to see how blur would affect the bats, having blindsense and ignoring concealment and all that.
Cerebus13 07-11-05, 07:25 AM	Xp loss added. Spot check for familiar to see Terminus added. But i fail to see how blur would affect the bats, having blindsense and ignoring concealment and all that.Blindsense Other creatures have blindsense, a lesser ability that lets the creature notice things it cannot see, but without the precision of blindsight. The creature with blindsense usually does not need to make Spot or Listen checks to notice and locate creatures within range of its blindsense ability, provided that it has line of effect to that creature. Any opponent the creature cannot see has total concealment (50% miss chance) against the creature with blindsense, and the blindsensing creature still has the normal miss chance when attacking foes that have concealment. Visibility still affects the movement of a creature with blindsense. A creature with blindsense is still denied its Dexterity bonus to Armor Class against attacks from creatures it cannot see.Blindsense isn't quite as powerful as Blindsight so concealment miss chances still would apply.
Gonbow 07-11-05, 08:29 AM	Also, the bats only have it to 20'. Whenever Terminus actually gets to move they have to make another listen/spot check to find/follow him again. If he moves away beyond their blindsense range, they go after whoever is closest.... which given the range of the spell, is more likely to be the caster rather than Terminus. Of course, they have to make a spot/listen to find him too, but they have a better chance of hearing him than they do me ;) As an aside Soulfang, sorry if it seems like I'm whining; my opponent had a very effective strategy, but I just want to make sure my character's core concept (stealth) is done correctly rules-wise, as it is my best shot. Thanks for Pitlording this fight.
Cerebus13 07-11-05, 08:42 AM	Story (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6661930&postcount=94) up for the Xaseus vs. Elyus battle. No comments yet from either player so hopefully everything is in order.
King Uther 07-11-05, 08:45 AM	Isn't the new arena design supposed to prevent the one-round kill? At least to a certain degree? If it is still possible to ride a horse into LOS in the first round(Draconis Regina's strategy listed as moving where she could see 3 of 4 boxes), then clearly it is not working.
Cerebus13 07-11-05, 08:47 AM	Isn't the new arena design supposed to prevent the one-round kill? At least to a certain degree? If it is still possible to ride a horse into LOS in the first round(Draconis Regina's strategy listed as moving where she could see 3 of 4 boxes), then clearly it is not working.Depends on where you stand within your square. If you are directly in the middle of it or at the very front it isn't very hard to be seen.
Gonbow 07-11-05, 10:00 AM	Blindsense isn't quite as powerful as Blindsight so concealment miss chances still would apply. Actually, swarm attacks ignore concealment and cover less than total. So the bats still auto-hit Terminus; while they can find him, anyways.
Zerone 07-11-05, 10:18 AM	Guts vs. Brilf (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6664749&postcount=96) is posted. *•. Z
Cerebus13 07-11-05, 10:38 AM	Guts vs. Brilf (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6664749&postcount=96) is posted. *•. ZCouple of issues with this fight. When you are being grappled there is a list of actions that you can take and whether or not they require a grapple check. Unfortunately "Retrieve an Item" is not listed specifically but they have two that are close: "Draw a Light Weapon" or "Retrieve a Spell Component". Drawing a Light Weapon is a move action that requires an opposed grapple check to succeed, and Retrieving a Spell Component is a full round action that does not require an opposed grapple check. I am unsure which of these could be used, if either of them even apply, so I'll need some help from someone more knowledgeable. Also, Brilf needs to make a DC 20 Concentration check in order to successfully manifest a power while grappled. Depending on how long it takes Brilf to pull out his stone, or if opposed grapple checks are required, it could change the outcome of the battle. Edit: Guts gets a Will Save against the transfer as well, against a DC of 14 (10 + power level + minimum ability bonus required to craft item). He has Resistance and Guidance available so his Will Save is +8...so he may only take half damage. Hostile Empathic Transfer = ouch.
Sindorin 07-11-05, 10:38 AM	Story (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6661930&postcount=94) up for the Xaseus vs. Elyus battle. No comments yet from either player so hopefully everything is in order. Wow, that worked better than I had intended...
King Uther 07-11-05, 10:48 AM	Question: In the Brilf vs Guts fight, Brilf is reduced to -5hp and does not have the Diehard feat. How is he even conscious to manifest the stone anyways?
Cerebus13 07-11-05, 10:53 AM	Question: In the Brilf vs Guts fight, Brilf is reduced to -5hp and does not have the Diehard feat. How is he even conscious to manifest the stone anyways?The hitpoint totals are a little messed up, that is actually Guts' HP total in the last round. Brilf has 45 HPs so after the first grapple he has 3 HPs remaining.
King Uther 07-11-05, 10:54 AM	Good call.
Zerone 07-11-05, 11:02 AM	@ Guts vs. Brilf: It all comes down to whether Brilf can retrieve his Stone or not, and by what means. I'll change the fight after someone makes an official ruling on this topic. Thanks for the 'pointers' everyone. :D *•. Z I'll have my other fight up later today sometime.
Cerebus13 07-11-05, 11:07 AM	@ Guts vs. Brilf: It all comes down to whether Brilf can retrieve his Stone or not, and by what means. I'll change the fight after someone makes an official ruling on this topic. Thanks for the 'pointers' everyone. :D *•. Z I'll have my other fight up later today sometime.Thanks for the quick response Zerone. I have no idea what rules to use when digging around for normal items during a grapple, because I've never seen anyone try it before :P.
LLMadCow 07-11-05, 11:33 AM	@ Guts vs. Brilf: It all comes down to whether Brilf can retrieve his Stone or not, and by what means. I'll change the fight after someone makes an official ruling on this topic. Thanks for the 'pointers' everyone. :D *•. Z I'll have my other fight up later today sometime. Well, while grappling, you can: Activate a Magic Item: You can activate a magic item, as long as the item doesn’t require a spell completion trigger. You don’t need to make a grapple check to activate the item. However, this was from prior to the XPHB and I am not sure that Spell Completion Trigger and Power Completion Trigger are not interchangeable in this situation. Since Power Stones use the Power Completion Trigger, I would be leary of allowing it. Also there is the issue of was it in his hand? If not, the SRD only covers the following actions in a grapple: Activate a Magic Item, Attack Your Opponent, Cast a Spell, Damage Your Opponent, Draw a Light Weapon, Escape from Grapple, Move, Retrieve a Spell Component, Pin Your Opponent, Break Another’s Pin and Use Opponent’s Weapon.
Cerebus13 07-11-05, 11:48 AM	Also there is the issue of was it in his hand? If not, the SRD only covers the following actions in a grapple:Unfortunately it wasn't in hand at the time because Brilf was shooting at Guts with his bow. However, this was from prior to the XPHB and I am not sure that Spell Completion Trigger and Power Completion Trigger are not interchangeable in this situation. Since Power Stones use the Power Completion Trigger, I would be leary of allowing it.Powers don't require hand waving or speaking to use them like Spell Completion items do, but there is no specific rule saying you CAN use them in a grapple so I'm not sure how it works.
Sunwolf 07-11-05, 11:49 AM	@Zerone I agree that Guts gets a will save (I even noted it in my tactics :) for the empathic transfer. DC 20 concentration check to manifest in grapple is correct. One thing to note is that flying does not equal move silently so Brilf should be getting listen rolls as Guts closes. Once he notices that Guts is up in the air or on the ceiling which he did in round 9, at least, he should be moving to the dissapating touch/kama part of the tactics in round 10 and then draw empathic transfer stone in round 11. Then the empathic transfer stone drawing may have already happened by the time Guts attacked. I would say that drawing a stone in a grapple is like a getting a spell component -- full round action.
Zerone 07-11-05, 11:57 AM	One thing to note is that flying does not equal move silently so Brilf should be getting listen rolls as Guts closes. Once he notices that Guts is up in the air or on the ceiling which he did in round 9, at least, he should be moving to the dissapating touch/kama part of the tactics in round 10 and then draw empathic transfer stone in round 11. Then the empathic transfer stone drawing may have already happened by the time Guts attacked. I had it this way first, but then realized that Guts had Invis up... went back and changed it, then realized that you needed Listen checks, and then it was a tad messed up. I'll fix the rounds from the time he first takes flight, as you would have pinpointed him at that mement, and not a round later. *•. Z
Cerebus13 07-11-05, 12:00 PM	One thing to note is that flying does not equal move silently so Brilf should be getting listen rolls as Guts closes.I thought a discussion was had once already that flight from the Fly spell is completely silent? Considering that you don't have to flap your arms or do anything more than think about where you are going, I'm not sure how you could make noise.
Zerone 07-11-05, 12:04 PM	I agree, but that is the way it has been ruled in the CoCo since I joined before the current changes have been made. Or else no one told me I was doing it incorrectly... ;)
Cerebus13 07-11-05, 12:15 PM	I agree, but that is the way it has been ruled in the CoCo since I joined before the current changes have been made. Or else no one told me I was doing it incorrectly... ;)Seems a bit goofy but you've been around longer than I have so if that's the way it has worked I'll roll with it. Questions like these give me a thought... Would people get much use out of a FAQ thread set up with like: Question: Do you make noise, and thus must make Move Silent checks, while flying due to a Fly spell? Answer: Yes I think something like this could be useful (and easy to maintain) if we simply linked to it from within the Rules of Gladius thread. Thoughts?
SoulLord 07-11-05, 12:21 PM	I agree. Questions like do I get the +15 listen penalty on listen if I stand behind a wall? or If my paladin's mount dies can I summon it again for the next battle? or since it died I can't summon one for 30 days?
Zerone 07-11-05, 12:33 PM	Guts vs. Brilf (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6664749&postcount=96) is posted. *•. Z Fight has been edited. Sorry for the mistakes. :chicken: @ Huan: It was just ironic that your computer crashed last week, if I remember correctly, and again this week. I usually ask my freind to assist me in computer repairs, I became sort of a 'technological hapno weenie' ever since Dos was overthrown... :help: *•. Z
Cerebus13 07-11-05, 12:46 PM	Question: Do you have to roll Move Silently while flying under a Fly spell? Answer: Yes Contributors: Zerone Question: Can you pull out an item during a grapple? Answer: No, it is not on the actions available during a grapple list. Contributors: LLMadCow Question: Can you use a Power Completion item during a grapple? Answer: Yes, only spell completion items are prohibited. Contributors: LLMadCow Question: Do manifester levels from multiple classes stack? Answer: Yes they do. However ML is still capped to the class using a particular power when it comes to calculating how many PPs can be spent for a single power. Contributors: LLMadCow Question: Do you get bonus power points from high ability scores more than once if you have multiple psionic classes with different primary ability scores? Answer: Yes for classes besides Psionic Fist and Warmind. Contributors: LLMadCow Question: Can you use the concealment granted by the Blur spell to Hide? Answer: No because there isn't anything being placed in between yourself and anyone that you would be hiding from. Contributors: Jindl Question: Does Protection from <alignment> work against the spell Hold Person? Answer: No. (was addressed in a WOTC released FAQ) Contributors: LLMadCow Question: Do penalties for multiclassing apply? Answer: Yes. They apply to both XP and GP however in order to prevent abuse. Contributors: Caterane Question: Do have to list customized feats & skills for purchased animals on the Blackmarket thread? Answer: No, these do not cost credits and thus do not have to be listed. Contributors: Caterane Question: Can Energy Missile be used to sunder attended objects/equipment on a character? Answer: No, it can only target unattended objects such as a dropped sword or a chair. Contributors: King Uther, Tellish of Ket Question: Can an animal be trained to use grapple attacks? Answer: Yes, it is considered a custom trick that is not listed within the Handle Animal skill description. Contributors: Caterane - here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7261110&postcount=135) Question: Can animals be taught new tricks that are not included on the Handle Animal list? Answer: Yes, but they require an Elder's or the Pitlords account's approval. Contributors: Caterane - here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7261110&postcount=135) Question: If one was to want to take a paladin and take him into the blackguard prestige class....could the alignment change and the outsider contact both be done in the same quest, or would there have to be two seperate quests done in order to accomplish both requirements? Answer: You could easily accomplish both in one quest. Contributors: Tellish of Ket - here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7269260&postcount=3059) Question: If a character chose an animal template for Lycanthropy that had wings....would the character gain wings (and equivalent flight speed) when in Hybrid form? Answer: Yes, you keep your wings. Contributors: Tellish of Ket - here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7269260&postcount=3059) Question: How do Armor Spikes work in grapples? Answer: You may either inflict normal damage with them using a grapple check (the "Damage Your Opponent" grapple option), or by using them as a light weapon and rolling an attack roll with a -4 penalty (the "Attack Your Opponent" grapple option). Contributors: D&D Game FAQ - here (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20030221a), Cerebus, Tellish of Ket - here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7269260&postcount=3059), Community vote - here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7283289&postcount=3121) Question: May Bats & Toads (and other animals without a Natural attack) make touch attacks for the purposes of discharging touch spells? Answer: Yes. Contributors: Tellish of Ket (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7635120&postcount=758) & LLMadCow & other Elders (see posts before and slightly after ToK's for everyone's opinion)
Tellish_of_Ket 07-11-05, 12:51 PM	I'm with LL in that you need to make an opposed roll to retrieve an item during a grapple. Same with power-completion. It's a no go. Just a note about the Greg the Green Slaad fight. Slaad's have fast healing 5. So it would have regen'd 5 hp per round. Absolutely no effect on the outcome though, so no worries. Just thought i'd point that out. -ToK
Sunwolf 07-11-05, 01:55 PM	@Zerone One last thing, Brilf would do 1d6+3+4d6 (kama + dissolving weapon) in round 12 for 5d6+3 not 4d6+3 as you have listed. Your 4d6+3 = 4+3+3+2 is 12 what about the +3 for str => 15 ? Would you roll the extra d6? 1 means that Guts needs to make a DC 20 autohypnosis roll to do his grapple check in round 12 (if he fails he can do the damage but lose a point to go to -1 -- then both need to stabilize using autohypnosis -- he may still win due to being less negative :) ) 2-6 he is unconscious before his attack in round 12.
Zerone 07-11-05, 02:36 PM	I didn't use the Stunning Fist ability either. I'm looking it over now and have a question of my own: Can you use a strike attack and a touch attack at the same time? or would that be two different attacks? Since they are different types of attacks and each get a different AC to target, it is weird that they could be combined. *•. Z
Zerone 07-11-05, 02:40 PM	I'm with LL in that you need to make an opposed roll to retrieve an item during a grapple. Same with power-completion. It's a no go. Just a note about the Greg the Green Slaad fight. Slaad's have fast healing 5. So it would have regen'd 5 hp per round. Absolutely no effect on the outcome though, so no worries. Just thought i'd point that out. -ToK So Brilf should not have been able to use his Stone of Hostile Empathic Transfer?
Cerebus13 07-11-05, 02:46 PM	I didn't use the Stunning Fist ability either. I'm looking it over now and have a question of my own: Can you use a strike attack and a touch attack at the same time? or would that be two different attacks? Since they are different types of attacks and each get a different AC to target, it is weird that they could be combined. *•. ZStunning Fist can only be used with an Unarmed Strike according to the description. Monks special weapons, like the Kama, can be used to Flurry but the description doesn't say anything about special attacks like Stunning Fist (I think :P). I have no idea how the Power Completion items being used in a grapple issue should be resolved, probably an Elder vote is required because it is rather unclear on how to go.
Sunwolf 07-11-05, 02:56 PM	Brilf can't use stunning fist on a strike with his kama. Psionic weapon, however, should have been applied on the kama strike (1st melee attack) which makes it 7d6+3 (1d6+3kama +4d6dissolving weapon +2d6psionic weapon) damage not 4d6+3. You must declare that you are using this feat before you make your attack roll (thus, a failed attack roll ruins the attempt). Stunning Fist forces a foe damaged by your unarmed attack to make a Fortitude saving throw (DC 10 + ½ your character level + your Wis modifier), in addition to dealing damage normally. A defender who fails this saving throw is stunned for 1 round (until just before your next action). A stunned character can’t act, loses any Dexterity bonus to AC, and takes a -2 penalty to AC. Stunning fist needs to do unarmed attack damage -- so not on the touch attack delivering spell damage.
Cerebus13 07-11-05, 03:09 PM	Brilf can't use stunning fist on a strike with his kama. Psionic weapon, however, should have been applied on the kama strike (1st melee attack) which makes it 7d6+3 (1d6+3kama +4d6dissolving weapon +2d6psionic weapon) damage not 4d6+3.Oh true, and Guts only has 4 HPs left so odds are pretty good that will kill him. His only chance now is if you cannot use Power Completion items while grappled, which the Elders will have to discuss.
Sunwolf 07-11-05, 03:15 PM	Yes I would like to know if Power Completion items are not able to be used in grapples, also. It makes powerstones for healing a bad strategy against a grappler. Vigor stones would need to be used as prebuffs in that situation.
Cerebus13 07-11-05, 03:23 PM	@Zerone & Sunwolf Doh, one other thing that may affect the outcome... Guts should be attempting to Pin and then deal damage to Brilf each round (which I wanted to do in order to avoid Stunning Fist). So each round, besides the first round where the grapple is initiated, Guts will need to make an opposed grapple check to Pin and another opposed grapple check to deal damage. If Brilf is Pinned he can either make an opposed grapple check (as an attack, so multiple attacks can equal multiple escape attempts) to escape the Pin (but not the grapple) or an Escape Artist check (as a standard action) to do the same. Sorry about the confusion, grappling can be a headache. Edit: Scratch all of the above :P. Pinning requires an attack to perform so Guts could not deal damage once he had pinned Brilf because he only has one attack per round.
Salrantol 07-11-05, 03:59 PM	Notes: ToK: If you want to cast Alter Self, and share it with your familiar, you got to tell me what you want to change it into. It can't get Troglodyte form, as it is not a humanoid. A master and his familiar can share spells even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the familiar’s type (magical beast). Since Pale-Rider cannot use Alter Self to turn into a magical beast, then his alter self cannot affect a magical beast, except that it can affect his familiar when shared.
Sunwolf 07-11-05, 04:11 PM	Since Pale-Rider cannot use Alter Self to turn into a magical beast, then his alter self cannot affect a magical beast, except that it can affect his familiar when shared. He should be able to turn his familiar into another magical beast though with the shared alter self spell. He is limited by hit dice. On looking myself, I didn't find much that was really apealling in small or smaller magical beasts 5 hitdice and under.
Luni 07-11-05, 04:33 PM	From the rules of the game here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040518a). You can't use alter self to change anyone or anything other than yourself. If you have a familiar, mount, or other companion with the share spells ability, you can change both yourself and your familiar or companion. Your familiar or companion must be within 5 feet at the time of casting to receive the effect, and it stops affecting the familiar or companion if it moves farther than 5 feet away and will not affect the familiar or companion again even if it returns to you before the spell's duration expires. You choose a form for yourself and for your familiar or companion. The forms you choose don't have to be the same. In fact, in most cases, they cannot be the same because alter self allows the subject to assume a form of the same type as itself only (see the next point). # The form you assume must be a creature of the same type as yours. You can't use this spell to assume the form of an object, or of any kind of creature type other than your own. There's no limit to the subtypes you can assume, so long as the base type is the same as your own. For example if you're a human, your type and subtype is humanoid (human), so you can assume the form of any other humanoid creature, such as an orc, goblin, dwarf, or elf. Note that the monstrous humanoid type is different from the humanoid type. If you're a human, you can't use alter self to assume the form of a monstrous humanoid creature such as a sahuagin or minotaur. When you share an alter self spell with a familiar or companion, the familiar or companion assumes a form of the same type as its own. While an animal becomes a magical beast upon becoming a familiar, such a creature must assume the form of an animal when sharing an alter self spell. For example, a cat familiar is a magical beast; when it shares an alter self spell, it assumes the form of an animal, such as a dog, a bird or a bat, not the form of a magical beast.
Tellish_of_Ket 07-11-05, 05:01 PM	My bad. I was just so accustomed to polymorphing caster and familiar where it's less restrictive. -ToK
Luni 07-11-05, 05:04 PM	The Pale-Rider vs Alac here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=6666988#post6666988) @Caterane: I'm currently running Mer-Man's fight.
Caterane 07-11-05, 05:26 PM	Let's hope my tactic "Wait until he CDG himself" works :smirk:
Luni 07-11-05, 05:45 PM	Sorry Cat. He kept making the Fortitude saves. :D
Luni 07-11-05, 06:33 PM	Can Mer-Man defeat a Green Slaad? Place your ideas, then look here! (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6634929&postcount=86) And there is a story too.
Caterane 07-11-05, 07:14 PM	Thanks Luni. Just a few things: I think you forgot Psionic weapon on round 7. The extra 2d6 might be enough to bring him below 0. He had 9 hp left later. I also had a touchsight stone which would have helped me greatly while the slaad was invisible all these many rounds. Better than attacking empty air for so many rounds. Could you please look into that again? Rook vs Aeiou is finished
Luni 07-11-05, 07:36 PM	I did count the Psionic Damage on round 7, I just didn't label it neatly. It was 6 points of damage. As for touchsight, you were raging when he went invisible, and activating a power stone wouldn't be allowed.
Caterane 07-11-05, 07:52 PM	Hm, ok. But you didn't fullattack. Round 8, bite, rake, rake missing plus Ganime's attacks hoof hoof bite. Same for all the following rounds. Tactic excerpt: Once in melee, hack him with rage, frenzy, higher ground, powerattack 2, psionic weapon. Use mount for cover on attacks. Attack routine is: Glaive, 5ft step, Bite, Rake, Rake, and Ganime hoof, hoof, bite. Next round same from behind. What's the code for the online roller? None of the links work. Rnd 7-9: Either I am 5 or 10ft away depending on my attack routine. In any case, I get an AoO for his drinking a potion or casting fear.
Cerebus13 07-11-05, 07:59 PM	Rake can only be used in a grapple. Rake A creature with this special attack gains extra natural attacks when it grapples its foe. Normally, a monster can attack with only one of its natural weapons while grappling, but a monster with the rake ability usually gains two additional claw attacks that it can use only against a grappled foe. Rake attacks are not subject to the usual -4 penalty for attacking with a natural weapon in a grapple. A monster with the rake ability must begin its turn grappling to use its rake—it can’t begin a grapple and rake in the same turn.
Luni 07-11-05, 08:07 PM	Hm, ok. But you didn't fullattack. Round 8, bite, rake, rake missing plus Ganime's attacks hoof hoof bite. Same for all the following rounds. Tactic excerpt: What's the code for the online roller? None of the links work. Rnd 7-9: Either I am 5 or 10ft away depending on my attack routine. In any case, I get an AoO for his drinking a potion or casting fear. I fixed the online roller. As for the full attack. You ended round 7 10' apart. The slaad, moved back 5'. So, you could either move 5' and attack with your glaive, or move 10' and attack with your bite.
Caterane 07-11-05, 08:17 PM	Well, it's ok. No problem. Was an expensive fight though. And the greedy slaad who wanted to use few ressources spent 3000 gp on them. :eek:
Kaigan 07-11-05, 08:22 PM	Cat: What do you mean no ECL 6 ally? A pegasus is a CR 3 ally. So ECL 7-4 = CR 3 I don't understand why no Peg????? And even if I couldn't bring my peg, you could have at least PMed me so I could change my tactics. But please tell me why no peg, and in that case, if I can't, then why can Ceres????? REally confused and angry!
Caterane 07-11-05, 08:30 PM	A pegasus is a LA creature. 4 HD+2LA = ECL 6. ECL 6 = CA 6. Your maxCA is 5 so you cannot bring it in. See Rules of Gladius: Allies.
Kaigan 07-11-05, 08:34 PM	A pegasus has a +2 LA for cohort only. I thought that meant if you take the leadership feat, not if you buy it. And as I said, if I can't use it then why was Ceres allowed to use it on quests and now the campaign? And why did you not send me a PM stating such. I find this unfair. But as I said, the Pegasus entry under LA has +2 LA (cohort) Please explain what that means.
Caterane 07-11-05, 08:38 PM	You can even play (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=5179949) a pegasus because of his LA. See FAQ: Cohorts (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6466763) for details. It's clearly written that it has ECL 6. Ceres is subject to the same restrictions. No one noticed until now. I didn't see it until I ran the fight. Your tactic however did not depend on flight so no impact from that side.
Kaigan 07-11-05, 08:46 PM	Then why the +2 (Cohort). I don't understand why they would put cohort like that. And yes, flying was a big part of my tactics, a big part. Flying was to my advantage due to superior speed. Had I not been flying I would have followed different tactics all together. I am really disappointed in this. On another note: I will not be able to run my 2v2 fight. I started it on Saturday but my comp crashed, and the saved fight was corrupted. I started again on Sunday, but again, i lost the file somehow. And now I'm having just a little crisis, and so I'm a little stressed out. Anyways, whoever takes it up, i'll PM you all the tactics within the next couple of hours. I apologize for to my gladiators. Cat: Take me off of pitlording, no more fights for me. And I'll only have Rayos and perhaps Aeiou active from now on. Have fun everyone and see you when life goes back to normal.
Caterane 07-11-05, 09:00 PM	For the third time: it's an LA creature. Read the Monster Manual description. Read the DMG section about special cohorts. You can even take it with the leadership feat which is ONLY for LA creatures. If you don't understand that rule, check your books. And yes, flying was a big part of my tactics, a big part. Flying was to my advantage due to superior speed. Had I not been flying I would have followed different tactics all together. I am really disappointed in this. I don't think so. Let's see: Fly up in the air, and tap tattoo of synesthete (Listen). Rook will likely be improved invisible, so I can only beat him through listen checks, and my pegasus' detect good/evil. Fly around the arena, only single moving, having the pegasus detecting good. The peg understands common, so i think this is legal. Only single move, and end my move by readying my action to fly away upon hearing spellcasting/manifesting. When I hear manifesting, immediatly towards it, and end at the sound. Pegasus has scent and detect good, so it should be able to pinpoint Rook. Have it attack Rook, and I will attack the space that it attacked with my lance using it two-handed powerattacking for -2/+4 and keep that up. that's about it. Heal when you think appropriate and improvise if my tactics break down, which they probably will. No mentioning of a Blitzkrieg. You even wanted to fly away upon hearing spellcasting. Of course, the following line contradicts that again so I had to decide on one or the other tactic. While the pegasus uses its detect good (concentration = standard action) it cannot ready an action so that wouldn't've worked anyway. Now read over your (very simple) tactics. Your aim was to get into melee and you got into melee. If you have a horse or a pegasus is irrelevant for that tactic. You arrived there in the same round. The only difference is the charge vs normal attack but a charge was not even mentioned in your tactics. You just wanted to get into melee anyhow. But please tell me what you would have done if you would have known that the pegasus is not a viable ally.
Kaigan 07-11-05, 09:05 PM	Well I worded my tactics wrong, I had meant move towards the spell casting, not away, but anyways, if I had a normal horse, I would have used my bow. But it doesn't matter, like I said, please no more fights for me, probably till september, maybe later. I will try keep Aeiou and Rayos active, but we'll see... Well if anyone can take my fight, please do, I really appreciate it.
Caterane 07-11-05, 09:07 PM	The bow. And how do you want to find invisible Rook? He would have buffed to the roof, then used fly to stay forever out of your reach while he rains death on your head. Hideous laughter (Will fails), mind thrust, mind thrust, scroching ray, etc etc
Kaigan 07-11-05, 09:09 PM	Oh well, doesn't matter... I'll see you guys around.
Pitlords 07-11-05, 09:19 PM	Deadline is in 5 hours!! Please finish your fights; especially Malither, please try not to get into the negative again!! You'd be at -4° if you post late!! Any takers for Kaigan's fight?
Tellish_of_Ket 07-11-05, 09:24 PM	Not picking on you Cat, but completely uncalled for. IMHO anyhow. If something pivotal is missing from a characters repetoire the pc in question SHOULD know about it. We've all been guilty of it in our time, (i mean including something that should be allowed) and we've all appreciated it when a pitlord tells ya NO!!! You yourself have requested that it be that way many times. I think the same courtesy could have applied to Kaigan. If something so drastic as an ally he was counting on (regardless of tactics) was no longer being made available to him, we owe it the player as a pitlord to try and let them know before the fight. I think the LA (cohort only) is a rough interpretation, but i guess you guys set up that rule ahead of time. What concerns me with that, and what happened here in this fight is if my Wiz 7, takes improved familiar and gets an ice mephit which is LA +3 (cohort) and has 3HD. According to gladius math it's ECL 6, which means i cannot take it in even though i've legally acquire it?? Now that doesn' t make sense. Because the tag (cohort) sets it apart with which rules govern it. If the same wizard were to take Leadership and attempt to acquire it, i would 100% agree that it's an ECL 7 (because it is now a cohort) and you could not bring it in. The problem is that kaigan may have acquired the pegasus through other means...and that's the kicker. But if you stick to the general rule of ALL LA's falling under the same category then there is something wrong and obviously broke and needs to be fixed. Maybe not in the case of the pegasus, but my example is a perfect one. Regardless, Kaigan should have been notified something was amiss and he, you and his opponent could have came up to some kind of compromise. Again, that's just my opinion though. @Huan: Never stand still as a mage. To hear a mage casting is Dc0. I just wanna clarify something here. To hear a mage casting is NOT DC ZERO. To hear someone speaking is DC 0. Unless you beat the DC by 10, you cannot make out what is being said and thus cannot spellcraft the results. -ToK **EDIT: I'll take Kaigan's fight so long as i don't get penalized for it being late. I won't get to it until tomorrow and may not finish it until wednesday morning.
Kaigan 07-11-05, 09:27 PM	Cat: Just one other thing. If I could attack rook, then why couldn't I spirit charge him?
Jindl 07-11-05, 10:09 PM	Anna wins and gets 3600XP but no gp, because Xorns have no treasure. Anna does receive gp for winning the monster fight, right? Isn't the gp reward based upon the Xorn's CR's? I think her rewards should be: 3600 xp, 6800 gp. -Jindl
Huan 07-11-05, 10:36 PM	"Fight" of Asmeroviel vs 2 Gargoyles (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6670666) is up... if you really want to call it that, heh heh. Short Version: Shooting fish in a barrel... wait until the story to see some action.
Zerone 07-11-05, 10:54 PM	Kaigan vs. Baelin (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6670831&postcount=102) is up. @ Pitlords and Elders: I am still waiting on a ruling for the Guts vs. Brilf fight so Ican edit it accordingly. Look back over the last two pages of this thread for details about Psionics and spell/manifest trigger completion and grappling. Thanks :) *•. Z
LLMadCow 07-11-05, 10:57 PM	Well, while grappling, you can: Activate a Magic Item: You can activate a magic item, as long as the item doesn’t require a spell completion trigger. You don’t need to make a grapple check to activate the item. However, this was from prior to the XPHB and I am not sure that Spell Completion Trigger and Power Completion Trigger are not interchangeable in this situation. Since Power Stones use the Power Completion Trigger, I would be leary of allowing it. Well guys, I just got home from work and I looked some stuff up in my spare time, so here we go..... Spell Completion: This is the activation method for scrolls. A scroll is a spell that is mostly finished. The preparation is done for the caster, so no preparation time is needed beforehand as with normal spellcasting. All that’s left to do is perform the finishing parts of the spellcasting (the final gestures, words, and so on). To use a spell completion item safely, a character must be of high enough level in the right class to cast the spell already. If he can’t already cast the spell, there’s a chance he’ll make a mistake. Activating a spell completion item is a standard action and provokes attacks of opportunity exactly as casting a spell does. So, there is NO WAY that one would be able to cast from a scroll while grappling, since they would not be able to perform 'the final gestures, words, and so on' while their hands are occupied. This is just as we have always believed and treated it. Power Completion: This is the activation method for power stones. A power stone holds a power that is mostly finished. All that’s left to do is perform the short, simple, finishing parts of the manifestation (the final mental coda, as it were). To use a power completion item safely, a character must be of high enough level in the appropriate class to manifest the power already. If he can’t already manifest the power, there’s a chance he’ll make a mistake (see Brainburn in the power stone description). Activating a power completion item is a standard action and provokes attacks of opportunity exactly as manifesting a power does. So, contrary to what I thought this morning, one should be able to manifest from a power stone while grappling, if they already had the stone in hand, since all they would have to do is perform the short, simple 'final final mental coda' while their hands are occupied. I do apologize for any misunderstanding, since this is specifically covered by the following: Activate a Magic Item: You can activate a magic item, as long as the item doesn’t require a spell completion trigger. You don’t need to make a grapple check to activate the item. Sorry for any confusion.
Cerebus13 07-11-05, 11:22 PM	@Zerone Unless any other Elder has a major objection it seems that Brilf will end up winning. Ah well, more negative winnings for me :(.
Jindl 07-11-05, 11:38 PM	Rayos Atess (Kaigan) vs Zubair Suhaim (KerlanRayne): Jindl is finished. Isn't the new arena design supposed to prevent the one-round kill? At least to a certain degree? If it is still possible to ride a horse into LOS in the first round(Draconis Regina's strategy listed as moving where she could see 3 of 4 boxes), then clearly it is not working. Agreed. It appears to need some adjustment.
Zerone 07-11-05, 11:41 PM	@Zerone Unless any other Elder has a major objection it seems that Brilf will end up winning. Ah well, more negative winnings for me :(. Sorry for the mistakes. I have very limited experience of psionics, and this is a good place to learn, however I do not want to make it at anyone's expense... ;) I have edited the fight with the proper attack damage from Brilf's kama attack. This changed the result a second time, with Brilf as the winner. @ Pitlords: Please be sure you have the outcome of 'Guts vs. Brilf' with Brilf as the winner. Thanks to all who helped :D *•. Z
SoulLord 07-11-05, 11:50 PM	from the rules of gladius cohorts and allies What happens if a cohort or ally dies? That depends. If a cohort or ally dies in the Arena (or otherwise inside the Nimbus), it is immediately True Ressurected, re-summoned, re-animated, or otherwise made whole again, for free. There will be no negative side-effects from losing an ally (eg paladin's mount, familiar).
Jindl 07-12-05, 12:37 AM	Mugen (Meek Head) vs Kon the Barbarian (McJarvis): Jindl is finished.
Iced 07-12-05, 12:44 AM	fight will be up tomorrow after work.
LLMadCow 07-12-05, 01:03 AM	fight will be up tomorrow after work. At this point can you throw up bare bones info so we can at least update!?!?
Malither76 07-12-05, 01:29 AM	Annix&Astrid VS Goran&Loddick is up sorry guys they spoted you early and forced melee, OMG did I get this in before deadline I appologize all, I have been busy on the weekend and for some reason I thougt the deadline was tuesday afternoon not morning so thats were my credits went, anyways I will be better about getting fights done faster from now on :) thanks
Kaigan 07-12-05, 01:35 AM	Alrighty, well guys, it's been fun, and I think that I'm finally taking a break from the CoCo. Just feeling really frustrated right now, and thankfully I'll be moving in with my girlfriend for the rest of summer. We'll see how I feel when University resumes, but as of now, I'm out of here. Wish everyone well. And good luck to all. I'll probably be deleting my characters and starting again if I come back. Well thanks for all the fun CoCo. It's been real. Lates.
Kaigan 07-12-05, 01:59 AM	One last note: @Cat: Just restating my other observation. If Aeiou was able to attack Rook in both rounds 2 and 3, why did he not spirit charge? @Jindl: How was Zubair able to shoot me in the first round? My horse is a large creature, and I doubt Zubair has an LOS, or LOE to me if my horse is right in front of me. I could be wrong though. anyways, just wanted to ask these questions to see if it is worth updating my characters and continuing with those two only.
Pitlords 07-12-05, 04:40 AM	If Aeiou was able to attack Rook in both rounds 2 and 3, why did he not spirit charge? There was an obstacle between you and him. I think the same courtesy could have applied to Kaigan. If something so drastic as an ally he was counting on (regardless of tactics) was no longer being made available to him, we owe it the player as a pitlord to try and let them know before the fight. Alright Kaigan, if you want to rewrite tactics with the warhorse in mind, send them to me. I'll look into it although I doubt there's much you can do. I think the LA (cohort only) is a rough interpretation, but i guess you guys set up that rule ahead of time. What concerns me with that, and what happened here in this fight is if my Wiz 7, takes improved familiar and gets an ice mephit which is LA +3 (cohort) and has 3HD. According to gladius math it's ECL 6, which means i cannot take it in even though i've legally acquire it?? Now that doesn' t make sense. Because the tag (cohort) sets it apart with which rules govern it. If the same wizard were to take Leadership and attempt to acquire it, i would 100% agree that it's an ECL 7 (because it is now a cohort) and you could not bring it in. A class ally can always be brought in the arena, regardless of it filling up your CA, or even surpassing it. It does count towards your CA though. Example: you (ECL 7) have an impr.familar (ECL 6). Normally not possible because maxCA is your ECL-2 (that's ECL 5) but since the familiar is a class ally, you can bring it in. Your CA is full now though so no additional allies. Not even a mouse. It's all in the FAQ. Anna does receive gp for winning the monster fight, right? Isn't the gp reward based upon the Xorn's CR's? I think her rewards should be: 3600 xp, 6800 gp. -Jindl Although that wasn't deserved, Jindl gets 6800 gp. That was the last monster fight until I can come up with a better solution. Unless a monster spends half his total wealth on ressources for one fight, it's pointless. OMG did I get this in before deadline I appologize all, I have been busy on the weekend and for some reason I thougt the deadline was tuesday afternoon not morning so thats were my credits went, anyways I will be better about getting fights done faster from now on thanks I'm glad you finished it. You would've been at -4°.
Caterane 07-12-05, 05:27 AM	@Tellish: Ok, Kaigan's fight is yours. +2°
Tellish_of_Ket 07-12-05, 07:45 AM	@Tellish: Ok, Kaigan's fight is yours. +2° Ok, i need tactics from all participants. Pronto plz. I might even be able to finish it today. -ToK
Sunwolf 07-12-05, 08:56 AM	@Zerone Thanks for all your work on checking and adjusting the Guts vs Brilf fight. FYI It was an ECL 5 fight so rewards are: winner +1500xp +1600gp loser +500xp +533gp
Jindl 07-12-05, 09:01 AM	@Jindl: How was Zubair able to shoot me in the first round? My horse is a large creature, and I doubt Zubair has an LOS, or LOE to me if my horse is right in front of me. I could be wrong though. Creatures provide what the PHB calls "soft cover", which cannot block LOS or LOE.
Zerone 07-12-05, 09:49 AM	@Zerone Thanks for all your work on checking and adjusting the Guts vs Brilf fight. FYI It was an ECL 5 fight so rewards are: winner +1500xp +1600gp loser +500xp +533gp Thanks for thanks, just doing my job as your Pitlord, :D I've edited the fight to reflect the correct xp and gp gains. *•. Z
Kaigan 07-12-05, 09:55 AM	@TOK: Sent all of the gladiators tactics via PM. Good luck with the fight. @CoCo: This is goodbye, and I'll see you sometime after september, probably later.
Tellish_of_Ket 07-12-05, 10:09 AM	@TOK: Sent all of the gladiators tactics via PM. Good luck with the fight. @CoCo: This is goodbye, and I'll see you sometime after september, probably later. Later. The time off did me some good that's for sure. Right now, bed-time. Fight will be started when i wake. -ToK
Huan 07-12-05, 10:11 AM	@Kaigan You will be missed... take care, pal.
King Uther 07-12-05, 10:17 AM	@ Kaigan I'd like to see you heer once in a while. At least visit.
Pittbull 07-12-05, 10:36 AM	We'll see how I feel when University resumes, but as of now, I'm out of here. Wish everyone well. And good luck to all. Hey, good luck! Don't tease the patients! ;) I'm looking forward to have you back after your break!
Sunwolf 07-12-05, 11:14 AM	@Jindl In the Mugen vs Kon fight. Mugen used an ally and Kon did not so that should affect the rewards of the fight.
Jindl 07-12-05, 11:51 AM	@Jindl In the Mugen vs Kon fight. Mugen used an ally and Kon did not so that should affect the rewards of the fight. Oh, right. Sorry, I'll fix that. -Jindl
Salrantol 07-12-05, 03:00 PM	@Pittbull: I hate your dice. Specifically, the d20 you use for initiative.
Pittbull 07-12-05, 04:27 PM	@Pittbull: I hate your dice. Specifically, the d20 you use for initiative. Sorry, that was really bad luck.
Salrantol 07-12-05, 08:31 PM	Oh, and I forgot to mention the d20 that missed my Reflex save by 1. Would've changed things a little, maybe. Seriously, your dice suck. But, of course, I need something to complain about. What I expected to be an easy fight (because my first action was to cast resist elements(acid) and I have a decent Reflex save) was over before I was aware it had started.
Tellish_of_Ket 07-13-05, 09:13 AM	Nicolae & Tira VS Zars and Alfred I'm sure you'll let me know if there's any problems. hehe -ToK
McJarvis 07-13-05, 01:11 PM	Nicolae & Tira VS Zars and Alfred Firstly: I just want to confirm that you used a +8 will save for Alfred on that roll where he got an 11. I couldn't figure out how to access the online roller, so I'm just asking :).((his will save is 3+3(vs spells)+2(vs good from pot))) I'm sure you'll let me know if there's any problems. hehe -ToK Firstly: I just want to confirm that you used a +8 will save for Alfred on that roll where he got an 11. I couldn't figure out how to access the online roller, so I'm just asking :).((his will save is 3+3(vs spells)+2(vs good from pot))) This could be my inexperiance in Gladius... "If being in the open become cumbersome, feel free to hide." Was this too vague of an instruction?((ie- do all of my instructions need to be "if X effect happens, do Y" kind of things?)) I felt like once Alfred was up to 22damage he should have been breaking off to hide.((He has smoke sticks to aid in re-hiding after observed)) I also never drank my pot of blur? That woulda protected me from sa damage...
McJarvis 07-13-05, 01:16 PM	Actually, I feel like this entire paragraph from my tactics was ignored: Apart from the thunderstone tactic, drink a pot of Blur(10 turn duration) and go after Lady Tira first. Opt for melee over ranged against her. If the rogue is nearby go after him. If being in the open become cumbersome, feel free to hide. I even specifically said to go after the rogue if he was nearby.
xanadu 07-13-05, 02:30 PM	McJarvis, Take it from someone who lost fights because gladiators didn't do exactly as their creater wanted them to - it is an imperfect system and the pitlords usually do they best they can. The best way to avoid this is to make your tactics clear and concise with an order of priorites. "drink a pot of Blur(10 turn duration) and go after Lady Tira first. Opt for melee over ranged against her. If the rogue is nearby go after him. If being in the open become cumbersome, feel free to hide." As a pitlord, I would interpret this as you wanting to kill Tira with your greatsword first and foremost and, only if this weren't possible, then go after the rogue. "Opt" "first" and being listed first are what I'd base my jugement on. "feel free to hide" is ok, often times leaving things to pitlord's discretion is best, but I would not know what you mean by "cumbersome". "If I need a 20 to hit" or "I have less than 5 hp" are much better ques to your pitlord. Shorter is better than longer when it comes to tactics. Specific conditions rather than vague generalizations are better. Straight out telling your pitlord what your main tactic is is always a good idea.
Sindorin 07-13-05, 02:41 PM	xanadu is right, it is often very difficult to follow someone's tactics, no matter how well or detailed they are.
McJarvis 07-13-05, 02:42 PM	Ok...I'll keep that all in mind next time. I don't _really_ want tellish to re-run the fight(especially considering how late it is), I just want to make sure I don't make the same mistakes tactics-formating wise again. It's frustrating knowing your char prolly should've mopped the floor with the opfor...
xanadu 07-13-05, 02:44 PM	Ok...I'll keep that all in mind next time. I don't _really_ want tellish to re-run the fight(especially considering how late it is), I just want to make sure I don't make the same mistakes tactics-formating wise again. It's frustrating knowing your char prolly should've mopped the floor with the opfor... You aren't the first to think that and you wont be the last :)
Huan 07-13-05, 02:53 PM	Small expansion of Asmerioviel's 'battle' (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6670666) is up. (And yes, there is an obvious inside joke there... fully intentional to those who catch it)... I find I must work on the intro's for the new campaign, now....
Sindorin 07-13-05, 02:58 PM	Heh... where's Gregg the Grim Reaper when you need him... http://www.mundorare.com/juegos/conker/imagenes/gregg.jpg Silly Cats, the way they 'meow' and **** everywhere...
Huan 07-13-05, 03:04 PM	:D
Tellish_of_Ket 07-13-05, 04:38 PM	@All in 2vs2: Tactics on all sides were fairly vague. I, as a pitlord, prefer to have exacting tactics. If left to my own judgement one team could say i easily showed preference towards the others if i start modifying. I thought i was generous enough to get you guys to double flank and use the delay tactics to optimize your chances to hit. I think the problem was that you didn't anticipate that Tira would be so hard to hit, hence why i suggested you should grapple mages. But, considering your team barely rolled over a 10 the whole fight, i think that was the bigger reason for loss. When you had been badly damaged, you were planning to step away and get out of combat. But you were double flanked, and couldn't just run without provoking and risking getting killed right there. I had to 5' you away from at least one person to drink a clw to be able to flee the following round. Trouble is, everyone hit you that round and dropped you. I have some notes at the end of the fight. If you haven't read them, plz do. Plus the friggin' dog rolled like three 20's(?) or something like that. That surely didn't help. -ToK