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| TelinArtho07-18-07, 12:44 PM | Fights of the Week: July 18th Please don't edit the sheet after the deadline or you will lose the match. Rules of Gladius All that you need to know is written in the Rules of Gladius. It could be useful also to give a look to the Court Decisions Part 1 and Part 2. Please do not make fake accounts or insult the Elders. Pairings GM MindwandererB will pair the active Characters of Gladius after the deadline. Link to pairings. Make sure that your character is not in prison. Pitlording You should use the CoCo Dice Roller (http://www.hwx.it/wizards.com) for the fight. If you need it, there is a nice template ready to use that will help. You could find the Battle Map Tag Generator (http://www.hwx.it/coco) for dynamic Maps very useful. You must post a link to your fight in this thread when it is complete. If you need a quick and dirty tool to calculate distances between two points (in 2-D or 3-D), this tool used to suffice until it got taken down without giving us proper notification... the Nerve Another useful link is the Quick Access tables for XP and Gold. If a fight needs to be rerun, the Pitlord has to inform the Pitlords account. He cannot react to requests from Players because the other player and the pitlord might disagree. He has no time to read the fight and the discussion. Please keep that in mind. PMs from players with rerun requests won't have an impact. Recent News and Developments Current discussions in the council are still up for debate. In the coming weeks, Lighting is expected to be added into the mix. Stay tuned for more details. Denth is coming - but who will he attack first? Comments & Concerns Post any comments or concerns for this weeks fights in this thread. Be kind and courteous to your fellow posters, and don't feed the pitlords. Please remember that they do hard work and consume a lot of time to let you play. Above all, have FUN! If you have questions or comments on any of the changes, please make your posts be heard in the Council of Gladius! |
| MindWandererB07-18-07, 01:36 PM | Lighting is scheduled to be added in two weeks (August 1). Pairings may be a little bit later than usual today. |
| MindWandererB07-18-07, 05:17 PM | Pairings done. Credits will be up later. Corrections may also take longer than usual, so be patient and read the FotW thread before writing tactics. |
| templer1007-18-07, 05:25 PM | err- any chance one of my ECL 8 monster fights will be an inter league? since the monster equiptment thing hasnt been resolved yet i dont particulery want to face a monster with say 10k or so in expendbls which is possible under the current system. |
| MindWandererB07-18-07, 05:26 PM | err- any chance one of my ECL 8 monster fights will be an inter league? since the monster equiptment thing hasnt been resolved yet i dont particulery want to face a monster with say 10k or so in expendbls which is possible under the current system. Sorry, I don't do requests. Inter-leagues are assigned as-needed only. |
| hogarth07-18-07, 05:27 PM | I'm looking for an upset in "Balthazar vs. Razorfang 2: Bite Hard With A Vengeance"! |
| Erithmu07-18-07, 05:27 PM | Elrick Flamebrother (templer10) vs. Arden Tarmik (Zevox) : Zevox [Cavern] -- Pitlord issue Other than that no errors with the current listings ... (that I can see) |
| MindWandererB07-18-07, 05:33 PM | Elrick Flamebrother (templer10) vs. Arden Tarmik (Zevox) : Zevox [Cavern] -- Pitlord issue Other than that no errors with the current listings ... (that I can see) Oops... first time I've done that. Swapped with Telin for Chameleon/Retikos. |
| templer1007-18-07, 05:42 PM | HOGARTH: Monster for treetall has been rolled - no aplicable knowladge - 2 large Monsters. |
| Macbrea07-18-07, 07:06 PM | I'm looking for an upset in "Balthazar vs. Razorfang 2: Bite Hard With A Vengeance"! Bet my tactics are almost the same... :P Even give you a hint: R.., B... @Malither76: Tactics for Razorfang have been sent. If you have any questions feel free to ask. :P |
| lonewolf07-18-07, 07:25 PM | @templer & Waywreth: Monster Info is up. @waywreth: actually you dont have ALL the knowledge skills, but it should be easy to figure it out anyway. |
| hogarth07-18-07, 07:58 PM | Bet my tactics are almost the same... :P Even give you a hint: R.., B... @Malither76: Tactics for Razorfang have been sent. If you have any questions feel free to ask. :P @Malither76: Slightly more complex tactics for Balthazar have been sent. May the best animal win! |
| Eluria07-18-07, 08:05 PM | @Zevox: Tactics for Mohmat v. Liara sent @Stimpy: Tactics for Phaelen v. Korwald sent @Sjiggie/Dread: I have tons of time Thu/Fri, not much over the weekend; if tactics are early I'll try to get the fight done ASAP, otherwise may have to wait for Monday/Tues. |
| MindWandererB07-18-07, 08:53 PM | Credits: Eluria F1 Khaim F1 lonewolf F2 Malither76 F1 Salrantol F2 Sjiggie F1 stimpydoda F2 TelinArtho F4 Q4 G1 A-1 templer10 F3 A-2 Yitzi F2 A-1 Zevox F5 G1 A-1 MindWandererB A2 G1 NiQil A1 SauroGrenom C3 A1 G1 A-1 TheMagister Q-1 G1 Vathelokai Q2 Q-1 A1 G1 |
| Zevox07-18-07, 09:03 PM | Zevox F5 G1 A-1 Pardon, but shouldn't I have another A1 in there? The A-1 for activating 3 characters, the A1 for Guildlords duty? Kathren Durrol (Zevox) vs. Phacce (UserNamer) vs. Daren Legrad (Yitzi) vs. Atemu (Korone) : TelinArtho [City] [All-vs-All] Well well now - Kathren's first all vs all. Good thing shes on fight 3 with most of her spells left. That'll be a interesting one. Elrick Flamebrother (templer10) vs. Arden Tarmik (Zevox) : TelinArtho [Cavern] You know, I somehow suspected this would happen. Lets see if I can knock that little Druid off his winning streak before he can tie Ceilia's record. Malik of Black Robe (Malither76) vs. Ceilia Durrol (Zevox) : templer10 [City] Well now, that'll be a real challenge. I have a feeling it'll come down to who can attack first. Zevox |
| MindWandererB07-18-07, 09:05 PM | Pardon, but shouldn't I have another A1 in there? The A-1 for activating 3 characters, the A1 for Guildlords duty?That would be the "G1." |
| Zevox07-18-07, 09:06 PM | That would be the "G1." Ah, I thought that was the Guildmaster one. Wheres that then? Zevox |
| Vathelokai07-18-07, 10:54 PM | Credits: Zevox F5 G1 A-1 Vathelokai Q2 Q-1 A1 G1 If memory serves F = number of fights run G = guildmaster A = administrative (guildlord, scribelord, etc.) A-# = extra active characters Q = Questlording Q-# = character on quest Might I suggest comming up with some different letter codes for A/A and Q/Q to clarify a bit? So to respond to Zevox; I think Z should have a guildmaster credit and a guildlords credit (A1 G1) |
| Vathelokai07-18-07, 10:59 PM | [LOG] ML ?????: Monsieur Hood (TheMagister) conducts research for WAR [Week 1/3] If no one is running this I can pick it up (assuming TM doesn't mind it running late by a few days; since he's out of town for a few days, I doubt he'll object). |
| NiQil07-18-07, 10:59 PM | If memory serves F = number of fights run G = guildmaster A = administrative (guildlord, scribelord, etc.) A-# = extra active characters Q = Questlording Q-# = character on quest Might I suggest comming up with some different letter codes for A/A and Q/Q to clarify a bit? So to respond to Zevox; I think Z should have a guildmaster credit and a guildlords credit (A1 G1) Or at the very least include a key with that post each week....I've never been too keen on alphabet soup. |
| NiQil07-18-07, 11:02 PM | Man...this is the first time I have missed pairings in I don't know how long. Really sucks that my internet didn't get installed until just after pairings were done. Heh...I'm sure this won't fly....but maybe I could interest someone in running a couple of low-level (ECL's 4 and 3) monster fights for 2 of my PC's? I could have them ready in a few minutes.....<shrug> |
| stimpydoda07-18-07, 11:59 PM | If you give me the links for running monster fights, I'll do it. |
| NiQil07-19-07, 12:21 AM | If you give me the links for running monster fights, I'll do it. Cool beans....lemme PM MWB and see if that is acceptable before we get too far. I already have the PC's set to ready for next week (War Machine and Tiris Rush), so they are ready to go, pending GM approval. |
| Vathelokai07-19-07, 12:27 AM | You could have War and Tiris fight each other... ;) |
| Vathelokai07-19-07, 12:34 AM | @StimpyDoda [LOG] ML Vathelokai: Sarai Farenze (stimpydoda) conducts research for TLT [Week 1/3] Will get this going tomorrow. Past my bed time... |
| NiQil07-19-07, 12:37 AM | You could have War and Tiris fight each other... ;) ECL 3 vs ECL 4.....not likely LOL. Besides...Tiris is a build I am actually interested in how it's won/loss record does...War Machine is purely a screw-around build. |
| Callix07-19-07, 01:26 AM | Stimpydoda: You should have my tactics for Ralein Vs Dentik. You should also know there's an error on my sheet. HP is 27 not 28. I'll fix as soon as I can, but I don't want to forfeit. |
| MindWandererB07-19-07, 02:07 AM | Ah, I thought that was the Guildmaster one. Wheres that then? Zevox Oops, you're right. One credit for you, sir. @ NiQil/stimpy: I'm okay with the monster fights. |
| Zevox07-19-07, 02:09 AM | Oops, you're right. One credit for you, sir. Right, thanks. Sorry for being so nitpicky there, but I am trying to save 45 of those things to put a Dragon on a campaign and whatnot, so every one counts. Zevox |
| lonewolf07-19-07, 08:33 AM | @stimpy & Zevox: My tactics have been sent. |
| Sunwolf07-19-07, 09:20 AM | For the Telveran vs Star Assassin (PMG) fight: Do I get to see the sheet for my opponent or do have to do blind tactics like for a monster fight? |
| Erithmu07-19-07, 09:32 AM | For the Telveran vs Star Assassin (PMG) fight: Do I get to see the sheet for my opponent or do have to do blind tactics like for a monster fight? You get to see it ...Salrantol should post the sheet before you write tactics. |
| Sjiggie07-19-07, 10:53 AM | @ Eluria/Yitzi tactics are send pm me with any questions if you have them. -Sjiggie |
| TelinArtho07-19-07, 11:02 AM | @Yitzi - Berri's tactics have been sent. @stimpydoda - Dentik's tactics have been sent. Kraegin's tactics will be along after I get out of a meeting. |
| Zevox07-19-07, 12:48 PM | For the Telveran vs Star Assassin (PMG) fight: Do I get to see the sheet for my opponent or do have to do blind tactics like for a monster fight? You get to see, but (@ Salrantol mostly) note that it should be 36-point buy and have PC wealth for its level. The rules about these were changed from their more monster-like form after the last one. Zevox |
| MindWandererB07-19-07, 02:07 PM | @templer and Zevox: forgot to mention earlier, but tactics have been sent for Aerryl and Besthirah. And no problem about being "nitpicky;" you earn every one of those credits, and I'd hate to shortchange you. |
| Salrantol07-19-07, 02:39 PM | You get to see, but (@ Salrantol mostly) note that it should be 36-point buy and have PC wealth for its level. The rules about these were changed from their more monster-like form after the last one.That's the first I've heard of that. Where was it mentioned? I did go back and look through the rules for PMGs and see that it is there, but I have been reading all the main threads (FotW, Tavern, Council, Courtroom) and don't remember reading anything about this change. |
| Zevox07-19-07, 02:40 PM | That's the first I've heard of that. Where was it mentioned? I did go back and look through the rules for PMGs and see that it is there, but I have been reading all the main threads (FotW, Tavern, Council, Courtroom) and don't remember reading anything about this change. I announced it in the Guildhall, here. Seems like the place to put announcements about the Guilds, no? Zevox |
| Salrantol07-19-07, 02:44 PM | I announced it in the Guildhall, here. Seems like the place to put announcements about the Guilds, no?Probably is, but for some reason I get all the intercepts and I'm not in any guilds so I never read the guildhall..... |
| Abyssal Stalker07-19-07, 04:38 PM | Tactics for Jonathon have been sent - may the best vamipre win! ;) |
| stimpydoda07-19-07, 05:27 PM | Korwald vs Phaelen is done. Could someone check the rewards for me, I'm kind of confused. |
| lonewolf07-19-07, 05:39 PM | Korwald vs Phaelen is done. Could someone check the rewards for me, I'm kind of confused. The only thing I see is that I asked to have Dragor RUN, which would result in a charge one round earlier. But since that wouldnt change the result, you dont have to edit the fight unless you have to edit anyway because of some other issue Eluria might have. Rewards should be (900-25%=)675xp/gp for Korwald and (300+25%=)375xp/gp for Phaelen. Thanks for running! |
| Zevox07-19-07, 05:43 PM | Rewards should be (900-25%=)775xp/gp 675 xp/gp, you mean. Zevox |
| templer1007-19-07, 05:49 PM | Telin - tactics for elrick are sent- it's fun blowing through 30+ spell levels... |
| templer1007-19-07, 06:06 PM | LONEWOLF - tactics for lord lorian vs monster sent. |
| Eluria07-19-07, 06:12 PM | Korwald vs Phaelen is done. Could someone check the rewards for me, I'm kind of confused. Sadly, I have no issues with the fight; nicely done. The only thing you need to edit in the fight summary is the 3 pp more for Crystal shard. Thanks for pitlording! |
| Zevox07-19-07, 06:17 PM | @ Telin - Tactics for Arden Tarmik (vs Elric Flamebrother) have been PMed. Time to make a small boy halfling cry :devil: . @ templer10 - Just to double-check, you did remember you can't have your Lion in this fight, right? Zevox |
| templer1007-19-07, 06:19 PM | @ Telin - Tactics for Arden Tarmik (vs Elric Flamebrother) have been PMed. Time to make a small boy halfling cry :devil: . @ templer10 - Just to double-check, you did remember you can't have your Lion in this fight, right? Zevox Yup - err - and if u did send- should be intresting fight- poor telin - dealin with me + 3 allies.... and you needing 19 to hit and all (unless you went the trip route). btw - iam guessing you picked fire, and sonic for ressist energy? |
| Zevox07-19-07, 06:23 PM | Yup - err - and if u did send- should be intresting fight- poor telin - dealin with me + 3 allies.... and you needing 19 to hit and all (unless you went the trip route). btw - iam guessing you picked fire, and sonic for ressist energy? Oh, you'll see what I did soon enough. From the sounds of things, you're not expecting it, which is good news for me. :plotting: Zevox |
| templer1007-19-07, 06:31 PM | Oh, you'll see what I did soon enough. From the sounds of things, you're not expecting it, which is good news for me. :plotting: Zevox well it's either that or crystal shards - youll lose in a grapple. question is - did you expect the subdual produce flames which ignore the vigor after 1 casting of it... |
| templer1007-19-07, 06:33 PM | Salrantol - tactics for longshot sent. |
| Zevox07-19-07, 06:40 PM | well it's either that or crystal shards - youll lose in a grapple. question is - did you expect the subdual produce flames which ignore the vigor after 1 casting of it... *chuckles* Lets just say I'm very happy to hear you say that. As for the flames, yeah, I figured you'd do that. They don't ignore Vigor, though - why would you think they did? The best they can do vs vigor is that they don't actually bring it down, so its impossible to gain more hp by replacing it unless something else does. Zevox |
| templer1007-19-07, 06:42 PM | *chuckles* Lets just say I'm very happy to hear you say that. As for the flames, yeah, I figured you'd do that. They don't ignore Vigor, though - why would you think they did? The best they can do vs vigor is that they don't actually bring it down, so its impossible to gain more hp by replacing it unless something else does. Zevox which is more or less the same - But i AM curios now - well ill wait and see then iam due for a loss - at SOME point. |
| Eluria07-19-07, 08:36 PM | Xanaver vs Snaga is up; this is my first pitlording experience, so please point out anything and everything you think I should know about/work on/is a problem. Thanks for the help! |
| Sjiggie07-19-07, 08:50 PM | Nice and clean run Eluria there is only 1 thing that you forgot in the summary for Snaga. You have to list the spell levels used by him with the spells not just the spells. He used 3 of them this fight. (color spray= 1 Summon Swarm =2) Also you cut the top section of Xanavar sheet and with that you deleted the skill package line wich links to the rules of gladius thread. It shouldn't matter much but you better keep that bit in the fight post. Other than that good job on yout first fight |
| Zevox07-19-07, 09:01 PM | Nice and clean run Eluria there is only 1 thing that you forgot in the summary for Snaga. You have to list the spell levels used by him with the spells not just the spells. He used 3 of them this fight. (color spray= 1 Summon Swarm =2) Actually, he doesn't need to do that. Its easy to count up the spell levels from knowing which spells were cast. I know I never bother listing the total spell levels used in my wrap-ups - its far more important to know what was actually cast, so you know what spells should be marked off the sheet (or how many spell slots were lost from each level for a Sorcerer). Zevox |
| stimpydoda07-19-07, 10:16 PM | Dentik vs Ralein is done. I didn't realize until the end that Dentik only had 20 ft movement, but I don't think this changes anything. I think a fight between 2 barns would have been more exciting :) |
| NiQil07-19-07, 11:08 PM | @ stimpydoda: Tactics for War Machine and Tiris Rush sent via PM |
| Salrantol07-20-07, 12:08 AM | @Sunwolf: Operator info posted here. A distant cousin of Roguey and Bardy MacRogue with a fiendish bloodline. Be glad Knowledge (planes) isn't a class skill for rogues--polymorph (babau) for an extra +2d6 SA & +8 hide could be a wrecking ball. |
| Callix07-20-07, 12:55 AM | Stimpy: What are the rules on broken weapons? They aren't expendables, but... what do I do about the longbow? Not that I'm complaining about the fight. Not a scratch. But still, I like my longbow. |
| stimpydoda07-20-07, 01:02 AM | Until your fight cycle is over, it is considered lost. After 2 more fights though, you get it back. |
| Abyssal Stalker07-20-07, 01:09 AM | Until your fight cycle is over, it is considered lost. After 2 more fights though, you get it back. Wrong. Sundered/broken items are returned after the fight - so that you aren't hampered by that in your next fights. |
| stimpydoda07-20-07, 01:46 AM | Why aren't mounts returned then? |
| Zevox07-20-07, 02:18 AM | Why aren't mounts returned then? Because it was decided that allies wouldn't be returned until the end of the cycle, to make their deaths meaningful and give people a reason to be cautious with them. Sundered items have always been returned immediately for fairly obvious reasons. Sunder all of a warrior's weapons and hes suddenly totally unable to harm his foes, sunder a wizard's spell component pouch and hes unable to cast many spells, etc - sundering items can easily render characters powerless, losing allies won't do that unless the character is totally focused on allies, in which case thats a risk they take having a character who depends on others to do his work. Zevox |
| templer1007-20-07, 07:59 AM | Zevox - tactics for lady liara are sent - talk about fighting yourself lol (iam one of the biggest share pain users after all). ;) |
| lonewolf07-20-07, 09:22 AM | Lord Lorian vs. 3 Carrion Crawlers is up. quite boring fight. IMHO these carrion crawlers should be removed from the ECL8 table. with 19hp and no ranged weapons they are just target practice for a gladiator with any ranged weapons. |
| templer1007-20-07, 09:26 AM | Lord Lorian vs. 3 Carrion Crawlers is up. quite boring fight. IMHO these carrion crawlers should be removed from the ECL8 table. with 19hp and no ranged weapons they are just target practice for a gladiator with any ranged weapons. Thanks - mind changing that last round to a Bow shot - i asked that when it's just 1 left ill use bow (save me a charge). btw - it's not that they are target practice per se - but since i have 3 times their speed (due to items)..... |
| TelinArtho07-20-07, 11:10 AM | Looks like I am only missing Kathren's tactics for the FFA. Getting started on the Elrick vs Arden fight today. |
| MindWandererB07-20-07, 01:08 PM | Lord Lorian vs. 3 Carrion Crawlers is up. quite boring fight. IMHO these carrion crawlers should be removed from the ECL8 table. with 19hp and no ranged weapons they are just target practice for a gladiator with any ranged weapons. There are so many monster fights that are near-auto-wins for the monster... there should be some that are easy for the PC. Besides, an enchantment/telepathy specialist in the Cavern might find these at least a moderate challenge.... |
| TelinArtho07-20-07, 01:09 PM | Elrick Flamebrother (templer10) vs Arden Tarmik (Zevox) is up. |
| MindWandererB07-20-07, 01:25 PM | Elrick Flamebrother (templer10) vs Arden Tarmik (Zevox) is up. That AC loss for wildshaping is a killer.... Not that it matters, but Elrick and Grimlock were both doing nonlethal damage in that grapple. It would have been relevant if Arden had wanted to renew Vigor, as templer had feared. |
| Zevox07-20-07, 01:54 PM | That AC loss for wildshaping is a killer.... That was the plan. Templer10 overstimated his chances in a grapple, which is why I was glad to hear he thought he'd win in one. Just one question Telin - shouldn't Wild Shaping in a grapple require a concentration check (flat DC 20)? I mean, its a supernatural ability thats quite similar to a spell, so I would presume it requires concentration to pull off. Zevox |
| TelinArtho07-20-07, 02:00 PM | Frankly - I thought so as well but couldn't find anything that said it did. If you can find something - please do let me know... Supernatural Abilities: These abilities cannot be disrupted in combat, as spells can, and they generally do not provoke attacks of opportunity. Supernatural abilities are not subject to spell resistance, counterspells, or to being dispelled by dispel magic, and do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated. |
| Salrantol07-20-07, 02:09 PM | @Yitzi: I'm a bit curious why Felice had to draw a stone of Energy Missile when the tactics clearly state she starts with it in her hand. |
| lonewolf07-20-07, 02:21 PM | Thanks - mind changing that last round to a Bow shot - i asked that when it's just 1 left ill use bow (save me a charge). btw - it's not that they are target practice per se - but since i have 3 times their speed (due to items)..... done you cheap B...... ;) |
| Yitzi07-20-07, 02:46 PM | @Yitzi: I'm a bit curious why Felice had to draw a stone of Energy Missile when the tactics clearly state she starts with it in her hand. Because I missed that part? Fixed. |
| Zevox07-20-07, 03:19 PM | @ Telin - Tactics for Kathren in that FFA have been sent. Fingers crossed on that one... Zevox |
| templer1007-20-07, 03:33 PM | Elrick Flamebrother (templer10) vs Arden Tarmik (Zevox) is up. TY for the run - unfortunntly there are a few mistakes - i did in round 1 Barkskin for +3 AC (that carry over to wildshape) and drank in round 2 Shield of faith (+2 deflection) so my AC while wildshaped is 15+2+3=20 and NOT 17. that means that the attacks in round 7, 8, 12, And 1 of the attacks in round 13 (since shield of faith runs out but barkskin didnt). DIDNT hit and so iam owed back a whole lot of HP - 40 to be exact. also - iam not dead - just uncouncios - so should grimlock still fight? |
| TelinArtho07-20-07, 03:37 PM | Heh - funny that I realized after the fact that I forgot about SoF but still forgot about Barkskin... Yes - I will edit it. As to being unconscious - read the rules on when you are considered out of the fight. |
| templer1007-20-07, 03:41 PM | Heh - funny that I realized after the fact that I forgot about SoF but still forgot about Barkskin... Yes - I will edit it. As to being unconscious - read the rules on when you are considered out of the fight. NM |
| TelinArtho07-20-07, 03:44 PM | Well - that was certainly enough to turn the tides of the fight. Fight result changed. |
| templer1007-20-07, 03:45 PM | Well - that was certainly enough to turn the tides of the fight. Fight result changed. Ty and still undefeated at level 9 - woot. animal growth here i come. |
| Rauul07-20-07, 04:54 PM | Fear not Zevox... Erick started at level 4 not level 3.. so your record with Ceilia Durrol is still the best in Gladius.. |
| Sunwolf07-20-07, 05:01 PM | @Salrantol Tactics for Telveran sent by PM |
| templer1007-20-07, 06:06 PM | Fear not Zevox... Erick started at level 4 not level 3.. so your record with Ceilia Durrol is still the best in Gladius.. True - i hate the level 3 league. |
| templer1007-20-07, 06:31 PM | Jonathon Raven Gravebound (Abyssal Stalker) vs. Aerryl Nalladar (MindWandererB) is done and here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=13140214&postcount=1124) - Longest 8 rounds EVER for me but cool fight - if more then a bit 1 sided. |
| Zevox07-20-07, 06:56 PM | Well - that was certainly enough to turn the tides of the fight. Fight result changed. Aw damn. In retrospect, I should've anticipated that and disengaged when he shape-shifted to bring my greatsword to bear. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20. Congrats templer10. Fear not Zevox... Erick started at level 4 not level 3.. so your record with Ceilia Durrol is still the best in Gladius.. He did eh? I didn't notice that. Good then. Though I still think I'll try and set the bar a bit higher with her - one more win and she has the same winning streak as The Harvester did, and with a better PR (well, she already has the latter, but the combo would be nice to have). Of course, she faces a pretty substantial challenge to that goal this week. Which reminds me, I need to write her tactics. Zevox |
| Rauul07-20-07, 07:40 PM | Jonathon Raven Gravebound (Abyssal Stalker) vs. Aerryl Nalladar (MindWandererB) is done and here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=13140214&postcount=1124) - Longest 8 rounds EVER for me but cool fight - if more then a bit 1 sided. Slight problem... protection from good protects against all summoned monsters that aren't evil aligned, if it was a evil bear it would have no effect... hence the downfall of being neutral is effected by just about all of protection spells.. Third, the spell prevents bodily contact by summoned creatures. This causes the natural weapon attacks of such creatures to fail and the creatures to recoil if such attacks require touching the warded creature. Good summoned creatures are immune to this effect. The protection against contact by summoned creatures ends if the warded creature makes an attack against or tries to force the barrier against the blocked creature. Spell resistance can allow a creature to overcome this protection and touch the warded creature. Please note that it doesn't say good and neutral |
| Rauul07-20-07, 07:42 PM | Aw damn. In retrospect, I should've anticipated that and disengaged when he shape-shifted to bring my greatsword to bear. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20. Congrats templer10. He did eh? I didn't notice that. Good then. Though I still think I'll try and set the bar a bit higher with her - one more win and she has the same winning streak as The Harvester did, and with a better PR (well, she already has the latter, but the combo would be nice to have). Of course, she faces a pretty substantial challenge to that goal this week. Which reminds me, I need to write her tactics. Zevox don't be shocked if next fight is Erick vs Ceilia (a fight of the undefeated) |
| Zevox07-20-07, 08:08 PM | don't be shocked if next fight is Erick vs Ceilia (a fight of the undefeated) Heh, I wouldn't mind that, actually - Ceilia would have good odds against him, and shes due for a fight on the plains. But that depends on her beating Malik this week, which is going to be tough, to say the least. Still working on a strategy. Zevox |
| templer1007-20-07, 08:14 PM | Heh, I wouldn't mind that, actually - Ceilia would have good odds against him, and shes due for a fight on the plains. But that depends on her beating Malik this week, which is going to be tough, to say the least. Still working on a strategy. Zevox Work faster lol - i only got tommarow for running a long fight or ill have to stick it some time mondey/tuesday. btw - facing elric on the plains... not a good way to survive.... on any other map i really wouldnt want to meet ceilia. p.s - i added yet ANOTHER damage type (sacred) to be able to ALWAYS hit somone with at least some damage. btw - longshot the energy missile fan is going to be ECL 9 next week most likely |
| MindWandererB07-20-07, 09:34 PM | Slight problem... protection from good protects against all summoned monsters that aren't evil aligned, if it was a evil bear it would have no effect... hence the downfall of being neutral is effected by just about all of protection spells.. Please note that it doesn't say good and neutral You wanted to prove a point on Prot. Good, but you quoted Prot. Evil.This spell functions like protection from evil, except that the deflection and resistance bonuses apply to attacks from good creatures, and good summoned creatures cannot touch the subject.I don't know why they're not parallel effects, but they're not. Since the wolf isn't good, it's not affected. @templer10: Rewards are wrong on that one. It seems you didn't penalize Jonathaon for his cohort. He's at -25%, Aerryl is at -15.625%, so net difference is +/- 9.375%, meaning 3281 XP/6343.75 gp for Aerryl and 906 XP/1751.78 gp for Jonathon. |
| Rauul07-20-07, 10:53 PM | You wanted to prove a point on Prot. Good, but you quoted Prot. Evil.I don't know why they're not parallel effects, but they're not. Since the wolf isn't good, it's not affected. Cool then will just have to drink prot vs evil to block neutral and evil summons... and prot vs good to stop the evil... nice to know.. thanks... |
| Zevox07-21-07, 12:23 AM | @ templer10 - Tactics for Ceilia Durrol (vs Malik) have been PMed. Another one that barely wouldn't fit in one PM - I guess high-level wizards do that to me. Fingers crossed - thats not as bad as I thought at first glance, but its still one hell of a fight. Zevox |
| templer1007-21-07, 03:37 AM | Slight problem... protection from good protects against all summoned monsters that aren't evil aligned, if it was a evil bear it would have no effect... hence the downfall of being neutral is effected by just about all of protection spells.. actually the text on protection from good say: "This spell functions like protection from evil, except that the deflection and resistance bonuses apply to attacks from good creatures, and good summoned creatures cannot touch the subject." so unless ia mreading this horribly wrong - it only blocks good summons |
| Zevox07-21-07, 04:18 PM | Besthira vs Kracknol vs Kraegin is up. The nightmare FFA: a summoner with lots of insignificant allies and a winner who doesn't deserve the victory. Zevox |
| Salrantol07-21-07, 07:39 PM | Longshot vs. 3 Fiendish Harpies is up. A lot closer than I expected. I expected the fight to be decided in the first round, but despite Longshot making all 3 captivating song saves, the harpies got him down to 1 HP before he got Vigor up. It took 32 pp for Longshot to mow through 93 HP. |
| hogarth07-21-07, 07:52 PM | Longshot vs. 3 Fiendish Harpies is up. A lot closer than I expected. I expected the fight to be decided in the first round, but despite Longshot making all 3 captivating song saves, the harpies got him down to 1 HP before he got Vigor up. It took 32 pp for Longshot to mow through 93 HP. Not that it makes a difference, but drawing a weapon-like object like a dorje doesn't provoke an AoO. |
| Salrantol07-21-07, 08:10 PM | Not that it makes a difference, but drawing a weapon-like object like a dorje doesn't provoke an AoO.Well, that's nice to know--don't do that enough to be aware of that.... |
| MindWandererB07-21-07, 08:33 PM | Longshot vs. 3 Fiendish Harpies is up. A lot closer than I expected. I expected the fight to be decided in the first round, but despite Longshot making all 3 captivating song saves, the harpies got him down to 1 HP before he got Vigor up. It took 32 pp for Longshot to mow through 93 HP. Also, it seems you had Longshot refresh Vigor when it had been depleted by only 1 point. Edit: Oh, I see, you just neglected to mention the damage in round 5. You need to have either coordinates or maps! There's no way of knowing where anything was. For instance, I can't tell why both harpies weren't hit in round 6. Also... the rules are vague: what does "race" mean? Templer probably assumed that if there was a template, you'd have mentioned it, and didn't check the CR. We should probably define that term better. |
| Salrantol07-21-07, 10:10 PM | You need to have either coordinates or maps! There's no way of knowing where anything was. For instance, I can't tell why both harpies weren't hit in round 6.The only reason I didn't have maps was that NOBODY WAS MOVING! Longshot was on a steed that was standing there to be slain and the harpies wanted melee with Longshot. Also, both harpies were hit, one of them just survived it. Look at the HP. Also... the rules are vague: what does "race" mean? Templer probably assumed that if there was a template, you'd have mentioned it, and didn't check the CR. We should probably define that term better.I assumed from the example that said that you needed 5+CR to tell a cryohydra from a hydra that you'd need 5+CR to tell a fiendish harpy from a regular harpy (which is generous since a fiendish harpy is just a harpy born on a fiendish plane). |
| Salrantol07-21-07, 10:15 PM | Telveran Trueblade vs. Tieflingette MacRogue is up. This pitlord humbly requests that players not include using items their characters don't own in their tactics. It changed a lot when I noticed Telveran didn't have a second blur scroll--and he'd mentioned using 3 or more in his tactics. On a related note--if you're going to use UPD to manifest Psychic Warrior powers, make sure you either have 11+ WIS or enough UPD to fake it.... Messy fight to pitlord (due largely to my own partial incompetence), but went pretty well for the player. Blink is a rogue's best friend. acid splash doesn't due so bad either, especially in that matchup. |
| TelinArtho07-22-07, 02:15 AM | Besthira vs Kracknol vs Kraegin is up. The nightmare FFA: a summoner with lots of insignificant allies and a winner who doesn't deserve the victory. Zevox Well there is a bit of an issue. When blinded - Kracknol has to move at half speed - which means he cannot take a 5ft step at all. Movement will draw attacks of opportunity and he won't be able to execute a full attack that round. Blinded: The character cannot see. He takes a –2 penalty to Armor Class, loses his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any), moves at half speed, and takes a –4 penalty on Search checks and on most Strength- and Dexterity-based skill checks. All checks and activities that rely on vision (such as reading and Spot checks) automatically fail. All opponents are considered to have total concealment (50% miss chance) to the blinded character. Characters who remain blinded for a long time grow accustomed to these drawbacks and can overcome some of them. You can only take a 5-foot-step if your movement isn’t hampered by difficult terrain or darkness. Any creature with a speed of 5 feet or less can’t take a 5-foot step, since moving even 5 feet requires a move action for such a slow creature. If you could review that - I would be very much appreciative. As to my options - they were limited for this fight. With both opponents able to fly, I had to weigh choosing the weaker flying summons or hope that I am engaged in melee. I chose the former just on the hope to get around the issue. EDIT - and I don't know who's sheet you are looking at but Kraegin does in fact have a shield. |
| MindWandererB07-22-07, 02:24 AM | As to my options - they were limited for this fight. With both opponents able to fly, I had to weigh choosing the weaker flying summons or hope that I am engaged in melee. I chose the former just on the hope to get around the issue.You didn't necessarily have to do that--Kracknol rarely if ever seems to opt for ranged attacks, so you might have been able to bet that he'd close to melee. And Besthirah can't use a bow while flying, so she'd either have to land or fly close enough to melee. I kind of hope I get the chance to "earn" that victory. |
| Yitzi07-22-07, 03:42 PM | Berri vs. Ymandrake up. |
| templer1007-22-07, 03:47 PM | Treetall vs monster is up (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=13153685&postcount=1128)- nothing 2 unpredictable. |
| Sjiggie07-22-07, 04:01 PM | Can you climb a statue when you are blinded. The blinded condition sais that all activities relying on sight automatically fail but falls climbing under it. I know that I wont climb a statue when blinded but what say the rules of D&D? -Sjiggie |
| MindWandererB07-22-07, 04:07 PM | Can you climb a statue when you are blinded. The blinded condition sais that all activities relying on sight automatically fail but falls climbing under it. I know that I wont climb a statue when blinded but what say the rules of D&D? -Sjiggie I'd think it's possible. You move at half your normal climb speed, which reflects the time you need to grope around for hand/footholds, but that should be the extent of the penalty. |
| Vathelokai07-22-07, 04:33 PM | @Sjiggie: reply sent, though I'm pretty sure I didn't answer as well as I could. |
| TelinArtho07-22-07, 04:37 PM | Berri vs. Ymandrake up. Looks good to me. Just a comment about your comment on the end - generally you can't hold anything else at the same time as casting from a scroll. The exception are scrolls with stilled spells or scrolls without somatic components. |
| Yitzi07-22-07, 06:14 PM | Even so, he could have begun in the proper spot (instead of moving there) and insead of draw+cast, instead cast+draw, so he would have his sword in hand one round earlier. |
| hogarth07-22-07, 07:44 PM | Treetall vs monster is up (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=13153685&postcount=1128)- nothing 2 unpredictable. One comment: Treetall has a rust Bag of Tricks, not a tan Bag. So he should have summoned a boar instead of a heavy warhorse. I don't think it makes much difference, though. I assumed Treetall would lose. Go figure. |
| Zevox07-23-07, 02:42 AM | Mohmat vs Lady Liara is up. A come-from-behind winner match which was fairly suspenseful to run for a few rounds - not bad I'd say. Well there is a bit of an issue. When blinded - Kracknol has to move at half speed - which means he cannot take a 5ft step at all. Movement will draw attacks of opportunity and he won't be able to execute a full attack that round. If you could review that - I would be very much appreciative. Oh shoot, I always forget that one (the mandatory half speed while blinded - never made that much sense to me - not the no 5' stepping while slowed). That'll change things, yeah - I'll edit it tomorrow. As to my options - they were limited for this fight. With both opponents able to fly, I had to weigh choosing the weaker flying summons or hope that I am engaged in melee. I chose the former just on the hope to get around the issue. Both your opponents could fly, true, but one couldn't attack while doing so, and the other is built entirely around melee alpha strikes. It seems to me that flying monsters are little to no threat to them were probably not the way to go. EDIT - and I don't know who's sheet you are looking at but Kraegin does in fact have a shield. He does? *checks* Huh, so he does. I thought that you had +1 armor. ...so then, that changes my question to: why didn't you buy even basic enchantments for the armor and shield yet? Seriously, its only 1k each to get them to +1, and by that level the 4k for +2 is hardly unreasonable either. Every little bit helps you know. Zevox |
| MindWandererB07-23-07, 02:54 AM | Mohmat vs Lady Liara is up. A come-from-behind winner match which was fairly suspenseful to run for a few rounds - not bad I'd say.One minor thing, one less minor thing: First, in round 6, Mohmat double-moves, then dismounts. That's not a valid set of timing: when you take a single action, it occurs at the midpoint of the horse's move. This would be like double-moving and attacking. Mohmat doesn't even have the option of double-moving and fast dismounting, because you have to have a move action left to even try (even if it's an auto-success). Second, why doesn't Share Pain share nonlethal damage? The power is quoted below; I see nothing that suggests nonlethal damage would be exempt. This power creates a psychometabolic connection between you and a willing subject so that some of your wounds are transferred to the subject. You take half damage from all attacks that deal hit point damage to you, and the subject takes the remainder. The amount of damage not taken by you is taken by the subject. If your hit points are reduced by a lowered Constitution score, that reduction is not shared with the subject because it is not a form of hit point damage. When this power ends, subsequent damage is no longer divided between the subject and you, but damage already shared is not reassigned. |
| templer1007-23-07, 03:09 AM | One minor thing, one less minor thing: First, in round 6, Mohmat double-moves, then dismounts. That's not a valid set of timing: when you take a single action, it occurs at the midpoint of the horse's move. This would be like double-moving and attacking. Mohmat doesn't even have the option of double-moving and fast dismounting, because you have to have a move action left to even try (even if it's an auto-success). Second, why doesn't Share Pain share nonlethal damage? The power is quoted below; I see nothing that suggests nonlethal damage would be exempt. that whole thing was discussed awhen myself with lord lorian start doing the whole sahre pain+vigor thing and it was ruled by at least zevox and another elder (i think telin - not sure) taht since nonlethal damage isnt actually HP damage by defenition in the SRD it isnt shared: "Certain attacks deal nonlethal damage. Other effects, such as heat or being exhausted, also deal nonlethal damage. When you take nonlethal damage, keep a running total of how much you’ve accumulated. Do not deduct the nonlethal damage number from your current hit points. It is not "real" damage" and zevox - i didnt bring the horse becuase i didnt want it dieing on teh map where it was least usefull and when i was kind of forgetfull and didnt buy a spare (not a light warhorse spare anyway). |
| Zevox07-23-07, 03:12 AM | One minor thing, one less minor thing: First, in round 6, Mohmat double-moves, then dismounts. That's not a valid set of timing: when you take a single action, it occurs at the midpoint of the horse's move. This would be like double-moving and attacking. Mohmat doesn't even have the option of double-moving and fast dismounting, because you have to have a move action left to even try (even if it's an auto-success). Last I checked, that was only the case with attacks or spells. Nothing prevents using other actions after a mount double-moves. Second, why doesn't Share Pain share nonlethal damage? The power is quoted below; I see nothing that suggests nonlethal damage would be exempt. Because non-lethal damage does not actually remove hp from a character, and the power specifically says it only transfers hit point damage. This is a call I made once before, actually. Zevox |
| MitzaVolchenko07-23-07, 08:07 AM | @ Yitzi Slade and Felice can't both win :P |
| Yitzi07-23-07, 08:34 AM | Fixed-Slade loses. |
| Salrantol07-23-07, 09:04 AM | @ Yitzi Slade and Felice can't both win :PYou must have missed the notice that we're changing to the new non-competetive Core Coliseum--EVERYONE'S A WINNER! |
| Sjiggie07-23-07, 09:18 AM | Man know I wished I didn't forgot the rule that piercing weapons can't sunder otherwise I would have sundered the stone in Felice hand on the follow up from the trip so he couldn't use it. Ah well next cycle I have a large guisarme and armorspikes on him so he becomes a bit more dangerous. |
| waywreth07-23-07, 09:44 AM | @Lonewolf - Just making sure you have Gaston vs Monster tactics, I sent them on Friday. |
| lonewolf07-23-07, 09:50 AM | @Lonewolf - Just making sure you have Gaston vs Monster tactics, I sent them on Friday. Yes I got them. I will start the fight today. |
| TelinArtho07-23-07, 10:06 AM | He does? *checks* Huh, so he does. I thought that you had +1 armor. ...so then, that changes my question to: why didn't you buy even basic enchantments for the armor and shield yet? Seriously, its only 1k each to get them to +1, and by that level the 4k for +2 is hardly unreasonable either. Every little bit helps you know. Zevox Well I don't have a lot of reasoning for it, but essentially, I've been using Magic Vestment to cover up some of the AC deficiency (would've had it for this fight if the time roll was 3 or less...). Ironically enough, Kraegin hasn't really had much of an issue with his AC lately. Every opponent of his has been caught up so well in the summons - that the AC hasn't been a pressing issue. It is, however, on my list of things to improve sooner rather than later... |
| Sunwolf07-23-07, 10:16 AM | Telveran Trueblade vs. Tieflingette MacRogue is up. This pitlord humbly requests that players not include using items their characters don't own in their tactics. It changed a lot when I noticed Telveran didn't have a second blur scroll--and he'd mentioned using 3 or more in his tactics. On a related note--if you're going to use UPD to manifest Psychic Warrior powers, make sure you either have 11+ WIS or enough UPD to fake it.... Messy fight to pitlord (due largely to my own partial incompetence), but went pretty well for the player. Blink is a rogue's best friend. acid splash doesn't due so bad either, especially in that matchup. @Salrantol Applogies -- I was looking at the caster level of blur and thought that I had that many scrolls. Need to make sure that Telveran actually does have more than 1 blur scrolls, though ... Thanks for the run. |
| TelinArtho07-23-07, 12:02 PM | @Zevox - for the AoOs you just rolled for round 11 - for some reason Torrent's attack is 1d10+10 instead of 1d20+10. EDIT - also I think the centipede's attack would hit on the AoO that round. You didn't note a +2 for flanking and a +2 for an invisible attacker, and his AC should be 26 rather than 28. |
| xZerasx07-23-07, 12:10 PM | Noting a few concerns: Khaim, the pitlord who is supposed to run my fight, appears to be gone. He was supposed to run last week's fight vs Eluria, and was missing there as well. Strangely I do not even see a "Last Activity" on his public profile. I was wondering what I should do, as I am thinking my fight will not be run by him this week. Also, I was wondering if someone could post an official battle for last week's fight of Isaiah Shar vs Eluria. I posted a request in the July 11th Comments and Concerns thread but there was no response. Thanks. |
| MindWandererB07-23-07, 12:14 PM | Last I checked, that was only the case with attacks or spells. Nothing prevents using other actions after a mount double-moves.Why would it be? Timing-wise, an action is an action. Our Court Decisions explicitly extend this to all standard and full-round actions, but it should ally to move actions as well. Wouldn't it seem odd if a character could move 150' in a round by double-moving on a mount, fast-dismounting, and moving another 30' on their own? The mount and rider act simultaneously, so that's impossible. |
| MindWandererB07-23-07, 12:15 PM | Noting a few concerns: Khaim, the pitlord who is supposed to run my fight, appears to be gone. He was supposed to run last week's fight vs Eluria, and was missing there as well. Strangely I do not even see a "Last Activity" on his public profile. I was wondering what I should do, as I am thinking my fight will not be run by him this week. Also, I was wondering if someone could post an official battle for last week's fight of Isaiah Shar vs Eluria. I posted a request in the July 11th Comments and Concerns thread but there was no response. Thanks. Damn... I forgot to take him off the pitlord roster when his fight was "resolved." If someone could please pick that up, that would be great. And posting the surrender xZerasx refers to is practically a free credit. |
| Zevox07-23-07, 12:24 PM | Besthira vs Kracknol vs Kraegin edited - thanks to a good listen roll on Kracknol's part (and him having a higher listen check than I've seen on most characters to begin with), there was no change. @Zevox - for the AoOs you just rolled for round 11 - for some reason Torrent's attack is 1d10+10 instead of 1d20+10. EDIT - also I think the centipede's attack would hit on the AoO that round. You didn't note a +2 for flanking and a +2 for an invisible attacker, and his AC should be 26 rather than 28. The former is an honest error, but one which can't change the fight (Kracknol has too much hp left). The latter I caught (though technically Blindness imposes a -2 to his AC, it doesn't give you +2 to attack). Zevox |
| TelinArtho07-23-07, 12:37 PM | Well - you are missing something in there. The augmented centipede has a +7 attack bonus (which is noted in the roller). The roller indicates a 22. In that round, he has flanking, so that's a +2 - so it should be a hit. Since Kracknol only has 16 hp left (after the AoO on the following round) - and the centipede's damage at 2d6+7 - there's a distinct possibility he's down. Plus there's the chance that Torrent hits. |
| Sjiggie07-23-07, 12:41 PM | Noting a few concerns: Khaim, the pitlord who is supposed to run my fight, appears to be gone. He was supposed to run last week's fight vs Eluria, and was missing there as well. Strangely I do not even see a "Last Activity" on his public profile. I was wondering what I should do, as I am thinking my fight will not be run by him this week. Also, I was wondering if someone could post an official battle for last week's fight of Isaiah Shar vs Eluria. I posted a request in the July 11th Comments and Concerns thread but there was no response. Thanks. If you give me a minute I will post the surrender and if you and Salrantol forward me the tactics for that fight I can run it either tonight or otherwise tomorrow. -Sjiggie EDIT: Isaiah Shar vs Phaelen Ir'Kensor is up |
| Zevox07-23-07, 12:44 PM | Well - you are missing something in there. The augmented centipede has a +7 attack bonus (which is noted in the roller). The roller indicates a 22. In that round, he has flanking, so that's a +2 - so it should be a hit. Since Kracknol only has 16 hp left (after the AoO on the following round) - and the centipede's damage at 2d6+7 - there's a distinct possibility he's down. Plus there's the chance that Torrent hits. You're looking at the round 11 AoO, correct? If so, the Centipede does not have flanking. The mapped Wasp and Torrent had maneuvered to flank with each other in round 10, and Kracknol is treated as in the space he started in for the AoO, which does not give the Centipede flanking with either of the others. And the Wasp that didn't fit on the map had just dived from off west, and couldn't provide flanking for any of them. Edit: Note that the map in that round has Kracknol's marker only in his ending spot, since Torrent moved into the space he began in thereafter and the mapper doesn't let me place more than one pin per space. Zevox |
| MindWandererB07-23-07, 01:05 PM | Edit: Note that the map in that round has Kracknol's marker only in his ending spot, since Torrent moved into the space he began in thereafter and the mapper doesn't let me place more than one pin per space.You can, actually: you just have to edit the code manually, although of course it will still only show one (unless the "top" one is smaller than the "bottom" one). I assume this is correct: http://www.hwx.it/coco/coco.php;v=1;map=plains;a=Bes,L,1,96,3,7 7;b=Krac,M,8,9,9,9;c=Krae,M,10,9,11,10;d =Tor,S,7,8,8,9;e=Cent,H,8,8;f=Wasp,L,9,1 1 Edit: No, that's not right. Gimme a sec. Edit 2: Changed the sizes, so now you can see. |
| TelinArtho07-23-07, 01:09 PM | According to the round summary - the positions are difficult to determine. This is the map according to the positions (taking out Besthirah since she wasn't there): http://www.hwx.it/coco/coco.php;v=1;map=plains;a=Name,M,7,8;b=N ame,M,10,9;c=tor,M,6,8,same as kracknol;d=Name,H,8,8;e=Name,L,9,11;f=Na me,L,7,9 Torrent (green) is listed at the same location as Kracknol. Regardless, Torrent should be able to move to (7,7,2) and give flanking to both the centipede and the wasp. I don't know where you had it move since the locations are not correct, and they are not updated for the following round. |
| Zevox07-23-07, 01:09 PM | You can, actually: you just have to edit the code manually [...] Well, considering I don't have the first clue how to do that, for my fights you'll just have to make do with maps that might be missing something in that regard. Zevox |
| Zevox07-23-07, 01:12 PM | MWB has the map for that round right. Toss in the second Wasp over Torrent's head and it should be obvious what I'm talking about. Code: Red = Besthira, Blue = Kracknol, Green = Kraegin, Magenta = Torrent, Brown = Centipede, Olive = Wasp. Zevox |
| TelinArtho07-23-07, 01:18 PM | Okay - then I am confused about how the centipede cannot be flanking with Kracknol sandwiched between the large wasp and huge centipede. |
| MindWandererB07-23-07, 01:35 PM | Okay - then I am confused about how the centipede cannot be flanking with Kracknol sandwiched between the large wasp and huge centipede. This may help: it's the map with all the movement removed. This is how things stand at the moment of the attack in question. Kracknol (in blue) is flanked by Torrent (magenta) and the wasp (olive), but not by the centipede (brown). http://www.hwx.it/coco/coco.php;v=1;map=plains;a=Bes,L,1,1;b=Kr ac,M,8,9;c=Krae,M,10,9;d=Tor,M,7,8;e=Cen t,H,8,8;f=Wasp,L,9,11 |
| stimpydoda07-23-07, 01:51 PM | Hey, is there anyone who can pick up the Tiris Rush vs Unknown Monster and War Machine vs Unknown. A lot has come up this week and I feel awful. Thanks. |
| TelinArtho07-23-07, 01:52 PM | But there's another wasp directly above kracknol - which means the bottom corner square of the centipede would follow a line through the bottom of kracknol up into the top of Kracknol to the wasp above him. EDIT - for the remaining fights I have to run - I am doing my best to work on them - but I've somehow gotten the crap-end of a stick at work, so things are very difficult to get done right now. I should still be able to finish them before the hard deadline - but the soft deadline is probably not going to happen. I am planning on running the Vandelar vs Gareth fight first, and then will move on to the FFA. |
| MindWandererB07-23-07, 02:13 PM | But there's another wasp directly above kracknol - which means the bottom corner square of the centipede would follow a line through the bottom of kracknol up into the top of Kracknol to the wasp above him. I think I see this. Here's a cross-section of how I'm reading the map and what you're saying: http://www.hwx.it/coco/coco.php;v=1;map=arena;a=Krac,M,7,2,Krac knol;b=Cent,H,8,2,Centipede;c=Wasp,L,6,4 ,Wasp;los=8,1,7,3,3 Problem is, flanking is based on centers, not corners. So it's actually this: http://www.hwx.it/coco/coco.php;v=1;map=arena;a=Krac,M,7,2,Krac knol;b=Cent,H,8,2,Centipede;c=Wasp,L,6,4 ,Wasp;los=7,4,9,1,3 |
| TelinArtho07-23-07, 02:42 PM | Almost: Exception: If a flanker takes up more than 1 square, it gets the flanking bonus if any square it occupies counts for flanking. Only a creature or character that threatens the defender can help an attacker get a flanking bonus. See what I mean? |
| MindWandererB07-23-07, 03:05 PM | Almost: See what I mean? Ah, missed that. Okay, so we have to imagine a line running from the center of one of the wasp's top squares to the center of one of the centipede's bottom squares. The LOS program doesn't do centers, so we have to do it ourselves. http://www.hwx.it/coco/coco.php;v=1;map=arena;a=Krac,M,7,2,Krac knol;b=Cent,H,8,2,Centipede;c=Wasp,L,6,4 ,Wasp;los=6,4,8,1,3 Yeah, it looks like a line from what on this representation is the centipede's SW corner to the wasp's NW corner would count as flanking. Edit: See below. Map changed to reflect this, clearly visible. |
| TelinArtho07-23-07, 03:08 PM | Actually - it is easiest to look at the middle left square of the centipede in that diagram and the bottom left of the wasp - those are at exact opposite sides of Kracknol. |
| Zevox07-23-07, 03:20 PM | You know, I somehow get the feeling that the flanking rules weren't reviewed for 3-D conditions. But anyway, looks like its there by the rules, so in it goes. Editing again... Zevox |
| MindWandererB07-23-07, 03:27 PM | You know, I somehow get the feeling that the flanking rules weren't reviewed for 3-D conditions. But anyway, looks like its there by the rules, so in it goes. Editing again... Zevox Much of the game is a PITA in 3-D. But for the most part, 3D and 2D work the same way. |
| Sjiggie07-23-07, 03:36 PM | Climb says you move at one-quarter your normal speed. Does this mean your base land speed or if it's enhanced by magic your current land speed? -Sjiggie |
| TelinArtho07-23-07, 03:44 PM | One-quarter your current land speed except for things that do not boost other movement modes. For instance - Fast movement would increase the speed. Expeditious retreat (land speed only) would not. |
| Zevox07-23-07, 03:52 PM | Alrighty, the ECL 10 FFA is edited again. Results were changed, though not radically. Zevox |
| Sjiggie07-23-07, 03:58 PM | @ Stimpydoda you might want to post the monster and tactics of War machine and Tiris Rush so someone can take them over. -Sjiggie |
| MindWandererB07-23-07, 04:00 PM | Alrighty, the ECL 10 FFA is edited again. Results were changed, though not radically. Zevox As much as I hate to point it out, I did ask to shoot summons first (under the assumption that Kraegin would be more healthy than he turned out to be at this point). Unless Telin wants to save you the time of running it out by surrendering, Besthirah should be shooting bugs. |
| TelinArtho07-23-07, 04:02 PM | Nah - that's fine. The summons would be merely pincussions at this point anyway and Kraegin didn't have the health to manage a survival defense strategy... Thanks for the time you spent on the fight Zevox. |
| stimpydoda07-23-07, 05:28 PM | Tiris Rush vs. Unknown Monster 1 Owlbear [CR4] These tactics are in addition to the general tactics listed on my sheet. Ick...a large creature in the cavern. Methinks this is gonna be a grapple-fest, and I am gonna lose. Alright...since this map makes melee a foregone conclusion, lets see if I can stave it off for a while. Start me closest to center with adamantine greataxe in hand. R1: Manifest a 3 pp Expansion. Let's even the size playing field. Move out clockwise looking for my opponent. R2: Manifest Prescience (Offensive) and find my opponent. From here, attempt to attack in melee with the greataxe. I'm hoping to mow the thing down before it can do the same to me. If I get grappled, use the attack an opponent action to deal subdual damage with a -4 attack penalty. I'm hoping I have better odds this way than I do trying to outgrapple something that is inherently large. Either I am going to squeak by on this one or get squashed, methinks. We'll see. If you have any questions, PM me. War Machine vs Unknown Monster 1 Blue Telepath3 [CR3] These tactics are in addition to the general tactics listed on my sheet. Start front and left of center with Exp Retreat wand in off hand and wand of MM in primary hand. Since this thing is small, I am banking that it has slower movement than I will with my wand. So we are going to go with run n' gun tactics. Zap myself with the Exp Retreat wand and go looking for my opponent. As soon as I see it, start flinging MM at it. Stay out of melee unless I see that the MM are not doing anything, which means it has spell resistance. As long as they are getting through, plink it to death while refreshing the speed boost as needed (as long as movement is still in an issue in the fight) to stay away from it. If the MM aren't getting through, then switch tactics. Stow the MM wand, draw the halberd, base it and trip it. Repeat as needed until brain activity ceases. That's about all I can plan for without knowing more...hopefully that will do the trick. If you have any questions, PM me. Any takers? I appreciate it. |
| TelinArtho07-23-07, 05:28 PM | Gareth Irontower (Malither76) vs Vandelar the Red (soullord) is up. I've never seen a 20% miss chance be a deciding factor so many times... |
| Sjiggie07-23-07, 06:23 PM | The first few rounds of Lightwolf Phoenixstar vs Zodiac (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=13166763&postcount=1134) are up please tell me if I did something wrong this fight is giving me a headache right now and will continue it tomorrow. |
| MindWandererB07-23-07, 06:30 PM | The first few rounds of Lightwolf Phoenixstar vs Zodiac (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=13166763&postcount=1134) are up please tell me if I did something wrong this fight is giving me a headache right now and will continue it tomorrow. Blindness was successful, so why isn't Zodiac using Ghoul Touch delivered by his familiar? That'll end the fight in a hurry. |
| Macbrea07-23-07, 07:00 PM | I will go ahead and run the 'War Machine vs Unknown Monster' fight. Will PM pitlords that I am taking it. |
| Yitzi07-23-07, 07:16 PM | Blindness was successful, so why isn't Zodiac using Ghoul Touch delivered by his familiar? That'll end the fight in a hurry. Not if he can't CDG, it won't. |
| stimpydoda07-23-07, 07:31 PM | I will go ahead and run the 'War Machine vs Unknown Monster' fight. Will PM pitlords that I am taking it. Thanks! |
| SoulLord07-23-07, 07:46 PM | Gareth Irontower (Malither76) vs Vandelar the Red (soullord) is up. I've never seen a 20% miss chance be a deciding factor so many times... Thanks for runing the fight. |
| Eluria07-23-07, 08:02 PM | @Zevox - thanks for running the fight; it was pretty exciting, well done. @T10 - nice tactics; darn your nonlethal damage. |
| Malither7607-23-07, 08:27 PM | Razorfang vs Balthazar is here |
| hogarth07-23-07, 08:31 PM | Razorfang vs Balthazar is here Sorry to break your streak, R.F.! :D |
| Macbrea07-23-07, 08:43 PM | Gah! You ruined a perfect record! :P War machine vs a blue is found here! |
| NiQil07-23-07, 09:19 PM | Thanks for the pickup. Anyone else able to pick up the Tiris Rush vs unknown monster fight? It should be fairly easy to run, given my tactics and what it turns out I am facing (an owlbear). Nice short melee or grapple-fest, methinks. |
| hogarth07-23-07, 09:24 PM | Razorfang vs Balthazar is here Malither76, I think you incorrectly rounded Balthazar's monetary rewards down; note that the 533 in the chart is actually shorthand for 533 1/3. (1600/3)*1.32 = 704, not 703.5. |
| MindWandererB07-23-07, 11:20 PM | Razorfang vs Balthazar is here More importantly, the timing is off. A 1-round casting time spell is finished at the beginning of your turn. So in round 2, Balthazar does nothing, when he could be casting Sleep again. Then in round 3, he'd cast Summon Instrument, and in round 4 he'd get a Sound Burst, followed by a second Sound Burst in round 5 if Razorfang fails his save vs. stun. Of course, then he's down to his scythe and the fight is over, so there's technically no need for correction... but I can't figure why hogarth wanted to bother. The chances of Sound Burst + scythe winning were all but nothing--might as well surrender at that point. (Not that Balthazar is meant to be doing any winning... I'm just sayin'.) |
| NiQil07-23-07, 11:24 PM | More importantly, the timing is off. A 1-round casting time spell is finished at the beginning of your turn. So in round 2, Balthazar does nothing, when he could be casting Sleep again. Then in round 3, he'd cast Summon Instrument, and in round 4 he'd get a Sound Burst, followed by a second Sound Burst in round 5 if Razorfang fails his save vs. stun. Of course, then he's down to his scythe and the fight is over, so there's technically no need for correction... but I can't figure why hogarth wanted to bother. The chances of Sound Burst + scythe winning were all but nothing--might as well surrender at that point. (Not that Balthazar is meant to be doing any winning... I'm just sayin'.) Hey...last time I checked, the character was named Balthazar, not Maven. :) |
| MindWandererB07-23-07, 11:49 PM | Hey...last time I checked, the character was named Balthazar, not Maven. :) <shh... she's in disguise. Big duck suit.> |
| hogarth07-23-07, 11:50 PM | More importantly, the timing is off. A 1-round casting time spell is finished at the beginning of your turn. So in round 2, Balthazar does nothing, when he could be casting Sleep again. Then in round 3, he'd cast Summon Instrument, and in round 4 he'd get a Sound Burst, followed by a second Sound Burst in round 5 if Razorfang fails his save vs. stun. Of course, then he's down to his scythe and the fight is over, so there's technically no need for correction... but I can't figure why hogarth wanted to bother. The chances of Sound Burst + scythe winning were all but nothing--might as well surrender at that point. (Not that Balthazar is meant to be doing any winning... I'm just sayin'.) Like the man said, don't worry about it. Once Razorfang passed his two saves, Balthazar was sunk. By the way, I suspect Monsieur Picsou's record will improve a little bit soon -- a griffon is a pretty tough opponent for a level 5 character, IMO. But first, three weeks of crafting... :zzz: |
| Malither7607-24-07, 01:26 AM | oh yeah sorry I missed that on the timing, @ Hogarth I will edit the reward. Now |
| lonewolf07-24-07, 08:30 AM | Gaston vs Kobold Bard5/Dragon Disciple6 is up. Kobolds really are pathetic(unless they are spellcasters) |
| lonewolf07-24-07, 08:33 AM | @Zevox: Looking at the half-finished Chameleon vs Retikos fight, I believe you forgot to to account the 12 damage of my first hit. Until now things go rather well for The Chameleon. *fingers crossed* |
| waywreth07-24-07, 09:50 AM | Gaston vs Kobold Bard5/Dragon Disciple6 is up. Kobolds really are pathetic(unless they are spellcasters) Heh heh, I guessed right on which monster it was. Freaking Kobolds... losing that would've annoyed me. Thanks for the run lonewolf! |
| Zevox07-24-07, 11:44 AM | Retikos vs The Chameleon is done. A rather sudden and dramatic ending. Zevox |
| TelinArtho07-24-07, 11:51 AM | Hey Telin you forgot Gareths potion of invis and his uses of boots of speed in the wrap up. This has been fixed. |
| Rauul07-24-07, 11:52 AM | Sorry to break your streak, R.F.! :D :OMG! Razorfang won a fight... Sorry for your win Razor.. |
| Sjiggie07-24-07, 12:05 PM | Esme Baraksdottir vs Isaiah Shar is up HERE |
| lonewolf07-24-07, 12:12 PM | Retikos vs The Chameleon is done. A rather sudden and dramatic ending. Zevox :raincloud |
| Sjiggie07-24-07, 02:47 PM | Zodiac vs Lightwolf Phoenixstar is done. A quick end to a fight that seemed to be going on forever because both opponents didn't have an effective way to respond on opponents tactics. |
| MindWandererB07-24-07, 03:24 PM | Zodiac vs Lightwolf Phoenixstar is done. A quick end to a fight that seemed to be going on forever because both opponents didn't have an effective way to respond on opponents tactics. I'm not sure I agree with your tactical decisions, but improvization was clearly necessary anyway. I'll let Vath pursue that if he wants to. What I don't understand is why there are two listen/ms checks in round 10. (And BTW, your link to the roller points to the wrong fight.) |
| templer1007-24-07, 04:59 PM | malik vs ceilia is done and here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=13177708&postcount=1139) Cleric vs improved invisble flying wizard - not fair if you ask me. |
| TelinArtho07-24-07, 05:28 PM | In case there's curious parties - I'm still working on the FFA fight. Complicated fight to be sure - and there's a lot of holes in everyone's strategies... That said - Atemu is the only one down at round 20. |
| Malither7607-24-07, 05:29 PM | I knew that one was going to take a lot to win, hope my next two fights will be a simple hold monster and CDG, I was worried about the skeleton if I became visible, thats why I wanted to kill it. I don't see any real problems, but I never look real close at fights thanks for the run, and Z it was a great run with her. good fight. |
| TelinArtho07-24-07, 06:21 PM | The first 20 rounds of the FFA is up. I'm really not sure where to go at this point because the only one who can effectively do anything to an opponent has such avoidance tactics that he shouldn't be in there in the first place and even if he wanted to - his opponents have such a speed advantage over him that he would have a hard time to force it anyway... Feel free to post comments - though at this point, completion of it before the hard deadline will be determined on how busy my day is tomorrow. |
| stimpydoda07-24-07, 07:06 PM | Tiris Rush vs. Unknown Monster 1 Owlbear [CR4] These tactics are in addition to the general tactics listed on my sheet. Ick...a large creature in the cavern. Methinks this is gonna be a grapple-fest, and I am gonna lose. Alright...since this map makes melee a foregone conclusion, lets see if I can stave it off for a while. Start me closest to center with adamantine greataxe in hand. R1: Manifest a 3 pp Expansion. Let's even the size playing field. Move out clockwise looking for my opponent. R2: Manifest Prescience (Offensive) and find my opponent. From here, attempt to attack in melee with the greataxe. I'm hoping to mow the thing down before it can do the same to me. If I get grappled, use the attack an opponent action to deal subdual damage with a -4 attack penalty. I'm hoping I have better odds this way than I do trying to outgrapple something that is inherently large. Either I am going to squeak by on this one or get squashed, methinks. We'll see. If you have any questions, PM me. War Machine vs Unknown Monster 1 Blue Telepath3 [CR3] These tactics are in addition to the general tactics listed on my sheet. Start front and left of center with Exp Retreat wand in off hand and wand of MM in primary hand. Since this thing is small, I am banking that it has slower movement than I will with my wand. So we are going to go with run n' gun tactics. Zap myself with the Exp Retreat wand and go looking for my opponent. As soon as I see it, start flinging MM at it. Stay out of melee unless I see that the MM are not doing anything, which means it has spell resistance. As long as they are getting through, plink it to death while refreshing the speed boost as needed (as long as movement is still in an issue in the fight) to stay away from it. If the MM aren't getting through, then switch tactics. Stow the MM wand, draw the halberd, base it and trip it. Repeat as needed until brain activity ceases. That's about all I can plan for without knowing more...hopefully that will do the trick. If you have any questions, PM me. Any takers? I appreciate it. War Machine's fight has been taken. Any takers for Tiris? |
| SauroGrenom07-24-07, 07:17 PM | Retikos vs The Chameleon is done. A rather sudden and dramatic ending. Zevox I've not problems, you did an excellent job. I was in a bit of a hurry when I wrote those tactics, and wasn't thinking straight about HiPS. I saw some of the comments below. Retikos was using the PoP to recover Mage Armor, that's why it wasn't crossed off the spell list. Cus had both of the prebuffs marked off her list, and I recorded all of them in the prebuff section. So I think I had it right. I had the "conditional modifiers" for AC from the spells listed off to the right in blue... I thought that's where it should be listed? I'll put the total in the front where it's less likely to be missed. Retikos has been lucky with mind thrust and death by massive damage. He got Asran with one in the IMT. At least one of my characters has a bit of luck... Kracknol got shafted this week. |
| Vathelokai07-24-07, 10:12 PM | Zodiac vs Lightwolf Phoenixstar is done. A quick end to a fight that seemed to be going on forever because both opponents didn't have an effective way to respond on opponents tactics. I came up with a few things to complain on, but after looking them all up, I realized I had just misunderstood a number of things. I'll just let this one go and accept my reward for being the first to get the lowest possible power-rating in CoCo. ;) |
| NiQil07-24-07, 10:41 PM | War Machine's fight has been taken. Any takers for Tiris? Gonna bump this....it's a really easy fight to run, and I would really, really love to have this done before pairings. |
| Yitzi07-24-07, 10:41 PM | Zodiac vs Lightwolf Phoenixstar is done. A quick end to a fight that seemed to be going on forever because both opponents didn't have an effective way to respond on opponents tactics. One problem: even if Lightwolf can't see Nadir, he can still have told Squeak beforehand to grapple Nadir under the conditions mentioned, and Squeak, who can see, will do so. Of course, Lightwolf won anyway, so I won't press the point (only possible difference is whether Zodiac ends up using his ghoul touch. |
| Vathelokai07-24-07, 11:08 PM | One problem: even if Lightwolf can't see Nadir, he can still have told Squeak beforehand to grapple Nadir under the conditions mentioned, and Squeak, who can see, will do so. Of course, Lightwolf won anyway, so I won't press the point (only possible difference is whether Zodiac ends up using his ghoul touch. Still would have used the ghoul touch; it was already cast, just a matter of if it goes off or not. Another point I noted, Lightwolfs familiar could have told him which space to shoot into. Not worth fixing the fight; the spells that needed to work didn't. |
| Yitzi07-24-07, 11:18 PM | Another point I noted, Lightwolfs familiar could have told him which space to shoot into. Actually, he couldn't have. Speak With Master is not available until level 5 in familiar-granting classes. |
| Zevox07-25-07, 12:20 AM | malik vs ceilia is done and here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=13177708&postcount=1139) Cleric vs improved invisble flying wizard - not fair if you ask me. I really don't agree with your application of the delay penalty here. Not that it shouldn't be used, but that it should be applied equally to Malik - hes delaying Ceilia's ability to attack him with Improved Invis in the same manner as she is delaying him with Obscuring Mist. Should not both lose their hiding spells at the same time then? One other objection: why did Ceilia waste her time casting resist energy on King when he was disabled and Malik had cast both of his fireballs? His only remaining fire spells are scorching rays, which she can defend him from with Mounted Combat, and in any event with him disabled its unlikely to be worth it. Seems a waste of a scroll to me. As for the area dispel, thats an all but useless option for the spell, since it targets the highest CL spell first, which with someone like Malither who has several buff spells memorized means it'll probably be picking a random spell from among several (I didn't know he would only use his Improved Invis from those memorized buffs when writing my tactics). Really not worth the risk. The first 20 rounds of the FFA is up. I'm really not sure where to go at this point because the only one who can effectively do anything to an opponent has such avoidance tactics that he shouldn't be in there in the first place and even if he wanted to - his opponents have such a speed advantage over him that he would have a hard time to force it anyway... Feel free to post comments - though at this point, completion of it before the hard deadline will be determined on how busy my day is tomorrow. So, um, if Phacce is shooting MMs at Starlight, why on earth is Kathren ignoring him and only attacking Atemu? That seems kinda dumb, doesn't it? I mean, I know I never specified an order of preference to attack foes in, but it seems taking down one thats attacking her preferred method of movement is the smart thing to do. And if Starlight is killed, why didn't she can Expeditious Retreat from her scroll? Thats kind of important, considering its her main protection from Daren. I saw some of the comments below. Retikos was using the PoP to recover Mage Armor, that's why it wasn't crossed off the spell list. Cus had both of the prebuffs marked off her list, and I recorded all of them in the prebuff section. So I think I had it right. I had the "conditional modifiers" for AC from the spells listed off to the right in blue... I thought that's where it should be listed? I'll put the total in the front where it's less likely to be missed. The Pearl explains why mage armor wasn't crossed off, yeah. But Cus needs to cross the spells she imbued off her list, since she only removed Imbue With Spell Ability and Magic Vestment. As for the modifiers, I expect a prebuffed spell to be in the main breakdown of AC (like I did with Senorda on Asran's sheet for instance - mage armor right in her main AC). As a conditional modifier I think it only applies if cast in the battle when I look at it. Zevox |
| SauroGrenom07-25-07, 12:54 AM | The Pearl explains why mage armor wasn't crossed off, yeah. But Cus needs to cross the spells she imbued off her list, since she only removed Imbue With Spell Ability and Magic Vestment. Imbue with spell like ability has a permanent duration. So it can be cast at any time, and the resulting spell slots refilled. Only the 4th level spell slot is required to remain unused till the transfered spells are all cast. |
| Zevox07-25-07, 01:29 AM | Arbin Softfoot vs Yakov is done. A very fast fight - never a good sign when you take a hit in round 1. Imbue with spell like ability has a permanent duration. So it can be cast at any time, and the resulting spell slots refilled. Only the 4th level spell slot is required to remain unused till the transfered spells are all cast. Hm, I hadn't noticed it was permanent. I guess that does make that trick legal. Darn. I'll have to log that one away for later - maybe I can find a way for Ceilia to use it. Zevox |
| NiQil07-25-07, 01:38 AM | Tiris Rush vs. Unknown Monster 1 Owlbear [CR4] These tactics are in addition to the general tactics listed on my sheet. Ick...a large creature in the cavern. Methinks this is gonna be a grapple-fest, and I am gonna lose. Alright...since this map makes melee a foregone conclusion, lets see if I can stave it off for a while. Start me closest to center with adamantine greataxe in hand. R1: Manifest a 3 pp Expansion. Let's even the size playing field. Move out clockwise looking for my opponent. R2: Manifest Prescience (Offensive) and find my opponent. From here, attempt to attack in melee with the greataxe. I'm hoping to mow the thing down before it can do the same to me. If I get grappled, use the attack an opponent action to deal subdual damage with a -4 attack penalty. I'm hoping I have better odds this way than I do trying to outgrapple something that is inherently large. Either I am going to squeak by on this one or get squashed, methinks. We'll see. If you have any questions, PM me. One more bump in hopes that Tiris' fight can be run by someone.....should be a really short fight, but I really don't want it to get held over or cancelled. |
| templer1007-25-07, 01:42 AM | I really don't agree with your application of the delay penalty here. Not that it shouldn't be used, but that it should be applied equally to Malik - hes delaying Ceilia's ability to attack him with Improved Invis in the same manner as she is delaying him with Obscuring Mist. Should not both lose their hiding spells at the same time then? One other objection: why did Ceilia waste her time casting resist energy on King when he was disabled and Malik had cast both of his fireballs? His only remaining fire spells are scorching rays, which she can defend him from with Mounted Combat, and in any event with him disabled its unlikely to be worth it. Seems a waste of a scroll to me. As for the area dispel, thats an all but useless option for the spell, since it targets the highest CL spell first, which with someone like Malither who has several buff spells memorized means it'll probably be picking a random spell from among several (I didn't know he would only use his Improved Invis from those memorized buffs when writing my tactics). Really not worth the risk. about the delay penalty - you werent attacking essentially from round 1 but you werent doing ANYTHING from round 6 if i remmber correctly malik was attacking all the time up to the round in which you and bishop were in teh mist (10 i think or 9) so he still had a few more rounds of delay counter before he got penalized. About the ressist fire - i really didnt want to cast it but the tactics said 2 and you didnt include any kind of modifier when NOT to cast it (and i looked) - i suppose it's common sense but iam not fond of improv and only do them if i have 2 |
| TheMagister07-25-07, 01:43 AM | I'm forced to consider getting Sdentch a cohort. I hate to have to think about it, but it's pretty evident that it's necessary. What would go best with her abilities I wonder? I'm thinking arcane magic user. Wizard or Sorcerer (I like sorcerer best -- biggest arcane bang-for-buck paired with big melee bang-for-buck). It would like to stay away from something that is totally dependent on Sdentch for success (like a buff machine). Something that makes up for her weakness, but is still a threat. Maybe an arcane archer? That sounds interesting. Psionics really aren't in Sdentch's makeup (I only use expansion tattoos b/c of the outsider race making enlarge person useless). Maybe an adept? The mix of arcane and divine in that class is comforting, and I like diversity. Not a whole lot of bang, though. Anyone have any thoughts? |
| templer1007-25-07, 01:53 AM | I'm forced to consider getting Sdentch a cohort. I hate to have to think about it, but it's pretty evident that it's necessary. What would go best with her abilities I wonder? I'm thinking arcane magic user. Wizard or Sorcerer (I like sorcerer best -- biggest arcane bang-for-buck paired with big melee bang-for-buck). It would like to stay away from something that is totally dependent on Sdentch for success (like a buff machine). Something that makes up for her weakness, but is still a threat. Maybe an arcane archer? That sounds interesting. Psionics really aren't in Sdentch's makeup (I only use expansion tattoos b/c of the outsider race making enlarge person useless). Maybe an adept? The mix of arcane and divine in that class is comforting, and I like diversity. Not a whole lot of bang, though. Anyone have any thoughts? If you want to stay away from psionincs sorcerer really is probably the biggest blow them upper you can get - But in pure blow them up power a kineticist reings supreme. |
| lonewolf07-25-07, 02:41 AM | One more bump in hopes that Tiris' fight can be run by someone.....should be a really short fight, but I really don't want it to get held over or cancelled. Im taking this one. |
| MindWandererB07-25-07, 03:14 AM | @TM: If you're trying to avoid psionics, then what Sdentch lacks is both ranged and magical support. My strongest inclination would be to copy McJarvis's Illustrated Man: a Battle Sorcerer with the Simple Variant for an animal companion. Focus on archery feats (an elf or aasimar might be good here, for the bow prof), and you'll have everything Sdentch lacks. The simple variant isn't truly necessary, but it buys the cohort a dire bat mount (of which, as you know, I am a big fan). Otherwise, a traditional sorcerer would be a good way to go. Arcane archers, IMHO, are a poor option for a gish. With no caster progression, they function best the same way as a dragon disciple: just a dip into arcane casting to qualify, then archery specialization. |
| lonewolf07-25-07, 03:20 AM | Tiris Rush vs Owlbear is up. If you would have confirmed that critical, you might have had a chance... |
| MindWandererB07-25-07, 03:33 AM | Tiris Rush vs Owlbear is up. If you would have confirmed that critical, you might have had a chance... BTW, lonewolf, in the future, can you put the results and rewards in a seperate sblock? It makes things immensely easier for me when I have to update the roster. |
| lonewolf07-25-07, 03:38 AM | BTW, lonewolf, in the future, can you put the results and rewards in a seperate sblock? It makes things immensely easier for me when I have to update the roster. will do |
| hogarth07-25-07, 07:01 AM | Imbue with spell like ability has a permanent duration. So it can be cast at any time, and the resulting spell slots refilled. Only the 4th level spell slot is required to remain unused till the transfered spells are all cast. Do spell storing items carry over between cycles then? I thought they didn't for some reason. |
| NiQil07-25-07, 07:56 AM | Tiris Rush vs Owlbear is up. If you would have confirmed that critical, you might have had a chance... Thank you for the pickup. I figured I was gonna get slaughtered. BTW, the rewards section is slightly off....I used 4 pp, not 3. 3 for augmented Expansion and 1 for Presience (Offensive). If you could adjust that, that would be super. |
| lonewolf07-25-07, 08:14 AM | Thank you for the pickup. I figured I was gonna get slaughtered. BTW, the rewards section is slightly off....I used 4 pp, not 3. 3 for augmented Expansion and 1 for Presience (Offensive). If you could adjust that, that would be super. done but wait a second. I jut noticed that the Owlbear has only reach 5ft and thus cannot do a full attack in round 3 => he is going to charge which lowers his AC and makes you confirm your critical! I am gonna edit. You might get lucky ... |
| lonewolf07-25-07, 08:24 AM | Edit done, and result changed! :D |
| TelinArtho07-25-07, 10:20 AM | So, um, if Phacce is shooting MMs at Starlight, why on earth is Kathren ignoring him and only attacking Atemu? That seems kinda dumb, doesn't it? I mean, I know I never specified an order of preference to attack foes in, but it seems taking down one thats attacking her preferred method of movement is the smart thing to do. And if Starlight is killed, why didn't she can Expeditious Retreat from her scroll? Thats kind of important, considering its her main protection from Daren. Chalk this one up to tactics for your opponent that won't work. Your method for dealing with Phacce is to cast color spray to disable him/allies and then use shocking grasps with your familiar. Compared to the valid tactic to take out Atemu - where the tactics will certainly work. So essentially I had to choose between improvising a tactic for Phacce right away when I had a valid tactic for engaging Atemu right away. When given a choice between improvising an uncertain tactic and using a tactic that won't need improvising, you can probably guess which I will choose. For expeditious retreat, you did cast it as soon as was reasonable to do so (in such a way that you don't lose a shocking grasp on Zephyrus and such). |
| Zevox07-25-07, 11:14 AM | Chalk this one up to tactics for your opponent that won't work. Your method for dealing with Phacce is to cast color spray to disable him/allies and then use shocking grasps with your familiar. Compared to the valid tactic to take out Atemu - where the tactics will certainly work. So essentially I had to choose between improvising a tactic for Phacce right away when I had a valid tactic for engaging Atemu right away. When given a choice between improvising an uncertain tactic and using a tactic that won't need improvising, you can probably guess which I will choose. Actually, my main tactics for Phacce was simply the grasps. If you'll note, the result of the color spray was completely irrelevant to the tactics that followed - it was just there to help out, it wasn't some lynch-pin part of the plan. For expeditious retreat, you did cast it as soon as was reasonable to do so (in such a way that you don't lose a shocking grasp on Zephyrus and such). Okay then, I missed that. In which case, why in God's name is not withdrawing from Daeren?? I thought it was painfully obvious in my tactics that I did not want to be in melee with anyone ever, and hes pretty clearly the worst one since he can grapple! Zevox |
| TelinArtho07-25-07, 11:16 AM | Okay then, I missed that. In which case, why in God's name is not withdrawing from Daeren?? I thought it was painfully obvious in my tactics that I did not want to be in melee with anyone ever, and hes pretty clearly the worst one since he can grapple! Because it was getting late in the day... I already planned on editing that part because I knew it would be an issue. So don't worry about that. I'm still trying to get back to the fight - but I just have a few things to deal with first before I do. Getting it done before pairings though is pretty unlikely at this point. |
| Zevox07-25-07, 12:06 PM | about the delay penalty - you werent attacking essentially from round 1 but you werent doing ANYTHING from round 6 if i remmber correctly malik was attacking all the time up to the round in which you and bishop were in teh mist (10 i think or 9) so he still had a few more rounds of delay counter before he got penalized. True enough I suppose, unfortunately. About the ressist fire - i really didnt want to cast it but the tactics said 2 and you didnt include any kind of modifier when NOT to cast it (and i looked) - i suppose it's common sense but iam not fond of improv and only do them if i have 2 Still, I would appreciate it if you would edit that out. Its not an improvisation at all, really, its just ignoring a part of my tactics which were no longer relevant. Besides, you improvised Malik pretty heavily - rather than using Hideous Laughter + MMs/Grasps/ranged attacks from Slain (which would probably have caused the match to last long enough for Improved Invis to wear off), he used Phantasmal Killer, which is nowhere in his tactics - and Ceilia not at all. Zevox |
| templer1007-25-07, 12:20 PM | Still, I would appreciate it if you would edit that out. Its not an improvisation at all, really, its just ignoring a part of my tactics which were no longer relevant. Besides, you improvised Malik pretty heavily - rather than using Hideous Laughter + MMs/Grasps/ranged attacks from Slain (which would probably have caused the match to last long enough for Improved Invis to wear off), he used Phantasmal Killer, which is nowhere in his tactics - and Ceilia not at all. Zevox technicly it's not invalid since king was stil alive at the time but i suppose 0 hp isnt really usefull alive and i can edit that - but you are wrong about malik - his order for offensive spells per tactics were - 2 fireballs, 1 blindness - kill alleis with magic missile wand THEN 1 phantasmal killer on ceilia (that worked) and only then go with hold monster/cdg. Round 4 on, he will probably buff hit protective aura, so first goal is to soak that up on a worthless save. Once I see any of the 3 the goal will be to get 2 of them in fireball. One must be rook, with his +5 save one firball may bring him down with average damage. if possible get all 3, hopefully the Cleric will be on the Hippogriff. I should auto pass spell craft to see if it hurt the cleric. Next Round hit them with another Fireball. If Rook is still alive and cleric is mounted on him and frist fireball hurt cleric, if not finish Rook with a MM from wand. If fireball didn't bother cleric then she will still have protective aura. So hit her with blindness, I am guessing she will spell immunity fireball and hideous laughter. At this point finish off skeleton with MM wand. Stay at max range for whatever spell I am using please. Now with allies dead and her on ground, go ahead and use one phantasmal killer to make sure I soak up her protective ward, who know may get lucky and win with that. After that do a hold monster and Slain will charge in and get in range to CDG next round. if greater invis runs out recast it and move away. and then resume plan above. That should cover everything I think. Thanks for the run. p.s. - what i did with bishop was complete improv since you didnt call for him to get into the obscuring mist which forced malik to spend a few rounds more after the dealy penaty hit to kill him. |
| Abyssal Stalker07-25-07, 02:31 PM | Do spell storing items carry over between cycles then? I thought they didn't for some reason. And don't forget that you can't hold a touch spell either (until discharged compared to "permanent until discharged") as a prebuff. I'm going to use imbue this way too if this really is legal. |
| MindWandererB07-25-07, 02:39 PM | Guys, just read the rules. This is all covered in "Battles of Gladius II -> Pre-Fight Actions." |
| MindWandererB07-25-07, 02:53 PM | You wanted to prove a point on Prot. Good, but you quoted Prot. Evil.I don't know why they're not parallel effects, but they're not. Since the wolf isn't good, it's not affected. @templer10: Rewards are wrong on that one. It seems you didn't penalize Jonathaon for his cohort. He's at -25%, Aerryl is at -15.625%, so net difference is +/- 9.375%, meaning 3281 XP/6343.75 gp for Aerryl and 906 XP/1751.78 gp for Jonathon. :bump: |
| Abyssal Stalker07-25-07, 03:23 PM | Guys, just read the rules. This is all covered in "Battles of Gladius II -> Pre-Fight Actions." Yep, it's there. It just sounds like a way to get extra spells for free. And that is always the argument why we don't allow spells with a duration of several days used as prebuffs. I'm not complaining, I'm just pointing out something that sounds like a hole in our rules. I haven't realized this before, allthough I have used the spell in question, but I will use this in the future. That's basically 8 SL extra for Jonathon's cohort per cycle since I don't need to prepare those spells. |
| MindWandererB07-25-07, 03:38 PM | Yep, it's there. It just sounds like a way to get extra spells for free. And that is always the argument why we don't allow spells with a duration of several days used as prebuffs. I'm not complaining, I'm just pointing out something that sounds like a hole in our rules. I haven't realized this before, allthough I have used the spell in question, but I will use this in the future. That's basically 8 SL extra for Jonathon's cohort per cycle since I don't need to prepare those spells. It's not exactly free, since the cleric can't prepare a new 4th-level spell in its place. You're trading 1 4th-level spell for up to 2 1st-level spells and a 2nd-level spell. I'd typically rather have the one 4th, personally. Now, what is free is Spellstaff. |
| templer1007-25-07, 03:39 PM | :bump: done |
| Yitzi07-25-07, 03:43 PM | Yep, it's there. It just sounds like a way to get extra spells for free. How? Imbue is a nice way to trade a level 4 slot for 2 level 1 slots and one level 2 slot, but until those are discharged you can't replace your level 4 slot, so how does it help you? |
| Abyssal Stalker07-25-07, 03:48 PM | It's not exactly free, since the cleric can't prepare a new 4th-level spell in its place. You're trading 1 4th-level spell for up to 2 1st-level spells and a 2nd-level spell. I'd typically rather have the one 4th, personally. Now, what is free is Spellstaff. Ah, my bad. I forgot that aspect of the spell... :blush: |
| Yitzi07-25-07, 03:57 PM | It's not exactly free, since the cleric can't prepare a new 4th-level spell in its place. You're trading 1 4th-level spell for up to 2 1st-level spells and a 2nd-level spell. I'd typically rather have the one 4th, personally. You just had to post that just while I was looking up and making the exact same point. |
| TelinArtho07-25-07, 05:20 PM | Well, as I anticipated - I didn't get much done on the FFA today. About 2 rounds worth... I'll get to my tactics for this upcoming week tomorrow probably and then back to work on it. |
| hogarth07-25-07, 06:40 PM | Guys, just read the rules. This is all covered in "Battles of Gladius II -> Pre-Fight Actions." Why does charging a Ring of Counterspells not count as a "permanent" effect (that carries over between fight cycles) and Imbue with Spell Ability does? As far as I know, they're both permanent until discharged. In fact, you use Imbue with Spell Ability to create a Ring of Counterspells! |
| TheMagister07-25-07, 06:43 PM | A darned fine question! |
| SoulLord07-25-07, 07:03 PM | Same reason contingency doesn't work? balance |
| Korone07-25-07, 10:51 PM | In case there's curious parties - I'm still working on the FFA fight. Complicated fight to be sure - and there's a lot of holes in everyone's strategies... That said - Atemu is the only one down at round 20. Not that you can do anything about this, but the only thing I have to say about this is: Boring. I'm thinking to auto-surrender when fighting Kathren or any marvelous sleep using spellcaster. Awesome, my gnoll's entering the arena !! ''Hey, roll a dice.'' -Sure- *Rolls the d20* *looks at the dice* -So, what's happening?- ''Well, you lose.'' |
| hogarth07-25-07, 10:56 PM | It could be worse -- imagine if you failed a save and then had to suffer the ignominious fate of being slowly poked to death by a psicrystal. Not that you can do anything about this, but the only thing I have to say about this is: Boring. I'm thinking to auto-surrender when fighting Kathren or any marvelous sleep using spellcaster. Awesome, my gnoll's entering the arena !! ''Hey, roll a dice.'' -Sure- *Rolls the d20* *looks at the dice* -So, what's happening?- ''Well, you lose.'' |
| NiQil07-25-07, 10:57 PM | It could be worse -- imagine if you failed a save and then had to suffer the ignominious fate of being slowly poked to death by a psicrystal. :heehee |
| TheMagister07-25-07, 11:08 PM | That was the drow poison one, right? :rofl: |
| hogarth07-25-07, 11:15 PM | That was the drow poison one, right? :rofl: I'm not sure which fight you're thinking of, but I was thinking of this fight in particular (and to a lesser extent this fight and this fight). |
| Zevox07-25-07, 11:17 PM | Not that you can do anything about this, but the only thing I have to say about this is: Boring. I'm thinking to auto-surrender when fighting Kathren or any marvelous sleep using spellcaster. Awesome, my gnoll's entering the arena !! ''Hey, roll a dice.'' -Sure- *Rolls the d20* *looks at the dice* -So, what's happening?- ''Well, you lose.'' Thats what you get for having a low will save. Lots of save-or-dies target that, so it leaves you with an obvious weakness, just as bad as a low AC or low hp. Any character with that problem needs some other way to cover it up - for example, my Featylec is a level 10 with a +3 will save, but as a Shadowdancer he can hide himself from sight, making him impossible to target with most such spells, and as an Elf hes immune to sleep. Another example would be my Archdevil Asran - +3 will save at level 11, but he comes with SR 17 from his Half-Fiend template, and in one more level his will save will receive a huge boost when he starts adding his charisma to it. If you don't cover up a weakness like that, you will lose to those that can exploit it, just like someone with low AC will lose to a power-attacking Orc Barbarian if he can get into melee. That was the drow poison one, right? Brain Lock, actually. Zevox |
| TheMagister07-25-07, 11:18 PM | Ah, brain lock. The other offender. Still damned funny. |
| MindWandererB07-26-07, 02:07 AM | Not that you can do anything about this, but the only thing I have to say about this is: Boring. I'm thinking to auto-surrender when fighting Kathren or any marvelous sleep using spellcaster. Awesome, my gnoll's entering the arena !! ''Hey, roll a dice.'' -Sure- *Rolls the d20* *looks at the dice* -So, what's happening?- ''Well, you lose.'' On the off-chance that anyone may have missed it: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0456.html |
| templer1007-26-07, 03:45 AM | Ah, brain lock. The other offender. Still damned funny. bot if you were the one that got prodded to death it wasnt lol. stupid brain lock mutter mutter.... |
| Korone07-26-07, 09:24 AM | On the off-chance that anyone may have missed it: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0456.html That has to be the most pathetic parody I've seen of D&D, LOL. @Zevox: Then, how am I suposed to have a high will save with my gnoll, or to 'counter it' ? Crappy racial HD that makes class will save not increase untill 6th level, unless that give him class level like cleric, although it isn't really the best caster-thing you could see, like an orc. And I don't happen to have tons of credits to make exceptional characters either. Less than 1/3 of the fourth level characters have (or close to) only half the chance to succed on that damned sleep spell (Although I didn't counted the many elves). But to make fight interesting, fighters (maybe at least half the time) could be thrown agaisnt other fighters. Maybe I'm the exception, but my gnoll still haven't been fighting an other 'fighters', only spellcasters (except for Daren.. but he's basically half fighter/spellcasters) and for my orc, the single opponent that did came close to the fighter type was that formian warrior, the others... spellcasters. Sure, characters are thrown agaisnt opponent that will actually challenge them, but when the fight is determined with a single dice roll, don't get me wrong, but you've managed to hit the top of useless boreness. If we're to run fight like that, why don't take a paper sheet, draw two stick guy to each side and roll a d20 a couple of times to determine which ones win most of the times ? Sound fun, no? |
| lonewolf07-26-07, 09:36 AM | There are valid counters against sleep: Casting it takes a full round, so you have the chance to react. If you see them casting a spell that takes more time to cast than a standart action, take a run action away. That way youre gonna be out of his range and cannot affect you. Of course you can also damage him during the casting, forcing him to make a concentration check or loose the spell. |
| Macbrea07-26-07, 09:59 AM | Sleep is pretty useless to after a ceritan point. But fighters and rogues in general are going to have a problem always with Will saves. Later you get alot of Will save or die spells. Your going to either want to move into a combo that gives more will saves, increase your cloak to +5, or take iron will. It's a simple fact of D&D. Fighters loose power as they level. It's the reason every book beyond the players handbook that puts out a warrior style class builds them better. |
| TelinArtho07-26-07, 10:54 AM | @Korone - after being around here for a while, you might find that the "save or die" spells tend to just be another aspect of the fights here. Hold Person, Sleep, and to a lesser extent Hideous Laughter and Color Spray can all be used to effectively "decide" a fight with one or two rolls. In the case of characters with severe weaknesses in these areas - particularly will saves - there's only so much you can do to help. Boosting your will save with cloaks of resistance, protection from alignment potions and the like are relatively cheap options. Some more basic defenses against sleep in particular is to have an ally present (either to soak up some of the 4HD maximum of the spell or to simply wake you up if you are put to sleep) - or use ready actions to hopefully hit them and break their concentration during the casting. Sleep is of course a full round spell with a somewhat limited range and small area of effect - so moving outside of that range is not out of the question in some cases as well. In a 4-person FFA though, you simply have to expect to be hit with a save or die. It is the fastest and most efficient way to remove someone else from the running - and that is tantamount in a FFA. On the other side of the equation, many spellcasters would be in a world of hurt without save-or-die spells if they faced 25+ hp warriors each week. |
| TelinArtho07-26-07, 12:50 PM | I truly appologize for taking so long with the FFA guys. At this point it really is a matter of outlasting one or more buffs, one or more wands, or a lucky hit or 20. Kathren is "safe" from Phacce for another 30 rounds due to her shield spell. She only has ~15 charges left on her wand of Magic Missile though. Phacce has a wand of CLW which he intends on using with impunity. It has ~40 charges left. He also has a wand of Magic Missiles, but he is intent on taking Kathren down first, but he only has the wand as an option right now. Meaning his activities are limited for the next 30 rounds... Daren also has a wand of CLW, but it doesn't really matter because no one considers him a threat to deal with (other than to avoid melee with at all cost). His only method of attack is his crossbow which needs natural 20s to hit Kathren and a 19 or 20 to hit Phacce. With decent movement in each and every round (no one wants to be in sight of anyone at any given moment), it means that each round takes a while to run. |
| Zevox07-26-07, 01:48 PM | Damn, if I'd known that fight was going to last so long, I'd have authorized using Kathren's scroll of shield if her memorized one wears off... But do note that Kathren has those scrolls of sleep and color spray she can use, and I did ask to use them on Phacce if all else fails in my tactics. Zevox |
| TelinArtho07-26-07, 01:52 PM | While an admirable option - with Phacce and Kathren avoiding prolonged sight of each other - casting color spray is not an option (you just won't be in range) and sleep is iffy at best (since Phacce will easily be out of sight and out of targetting range in most cases). |
| Zevox07-26-07, 02:25 PM | Actually Telin, I just noticed something about Phacce thats pretty important... and which you probably won't like... His animal companion seems to be self-trained, but thats impossible. His handle animal modifier is only +9 (the +11 is an error on his sheet), which is too low to train an animal himself. Which means he would not have the combat riding package, which means riding him would be all but impossible (he'd need to make unruly mount cheks as a move action every round, and at a -5 ride for riding bareback, and if he fails he can't do anything else that round). I'll add that to the violations I have on him in the prison... but, well, something is going to need to be done about it for the fight, too... Zevox |
| TelinArtho07-26-07, 02:29 PM | Well - assuming he has the money to cover it - I'm not going to change the fight for something like that (though he'll have to pay for it for sure). If it was noticed before the fight - that would be one thing. Entirely something different 27+ rounds into it... |