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TelinArtho 06-13-07, 11:01 AM	Fights of the Week: June 13th Please don't edit the sheet after the deadline or you will lose the match. Rules of Gladius All that you need to know is written in the Rules of Gladius. It could be useful also to give a look to the Court Decisions Part 1 and Part 2. Please do not make fake accounts or insult the Elders. Pairings GM MindwandererB will pair the active Characters of Gladius after the deadline. Link to pairings. Make sure that your character is not in prison. Pitlording You should use the CoCo Dice Roller (http://www.hwx.it/wizards.com) for the fight. If you need it, there is a nice template ready to use that will help. You could find the Battle Map Tag Generator (http://www.hwx.it/coco) for dynamic Maps very useful. You must post a link to your fight in this thread when it is complete. If you need a quick and dirty tool to calculate distances between two points (in 2-D or 3-D), this tool used to suffice until it got taken down without giving us proper notification... the Nerve Another useful link is the Quick Access tables for XP and Gold. If a fight needs to be rerun, the Pitlord has to inform the Pitlords account. He cannot react to requests from Players because the other player and the pitlord might disagree. He has no time to read the fight and the discussion. Please keep that in mind. PMs from players with rerun requests won't have an impact. Recent News and Developments The Iron Man tournament is complete. Congratulations to the finalists: 1st Place: SauroGrenom, Raskos the Jade Father (Phrenic Gray Elf Wizard 3/Kineticist 3/Cerebremancer 2) 2nd Place: MindWandererB, Besthirah Lafali (Wood Elf Werebat (Natural) Monk 3) 3rd Place: Erithmu and MindWandererB, The Arcane Hand - Owen Ir'Tolden (Human Abjurer 5/Red Wizard 3) and Silis Lueria (Gray Elf Rogue 3/Diviner 5) 4th Place: MindWandererB, Aerryl Nalladar (Sylvan Elf Druid 10) Comments & Concerns Post any comments or concerns for this weeks fights in this thread. Be kind and courteous to your fellow posters, and don't feed the pitlords. Please remember that they do hard work and consume a lot of time to let you play. Above all, have FUN! If you have questions or comments on any of the changes, please make your posts be heard in the Council of Gladius!
waywreth 06-13-07, 01:26 PM	Special bonus to all you old time players: The ECL 10 to 15 leagues are now OPEN!
Zevox 06-13-07, 01:29 PM	Special bonus to all you old time players: The ECL 10 to 15 leagues are now OPEN! :w00t: So, whos activating up there? I wanna know who Asran has to beat to become our first ECL 11 character. :plotting: Zevox
TelinArtho 06-13-07, 01:38 PM	My ECL10s will be a few weeks probably. Sir Valkin is in week 2 and hasn't spent 12k of his money... Kraegin I could activate now - but I wanted to give it a week so I could decide what to do about his LPA...
waywreth 06-13-07, 01:47 PM	Gaston will be active in the next few weeks. I have to fix his skills since I somehow screwed that up when he leveled, and like Telin, has cash to burn.
MindWandererB 06-13-07, 01:48 PM	I'm turning Aerryl on, irony of ironies. She's broke anyway, and doesn't need updating at the moment. That may change depending on revisions of the ally rules--I could probably come up with a much nastier ally for her than a spider eater, if I worked the system hard enough, but I need for the rules to be finalized before it's worth bothering.
Erithmu 06-13-07, 02:01 PM	Loddick might be able to beat Asran ... but We will see how the arch devil does ... he still could ... ya know ... lose
Abyssal Stalker 06-13-07, 02:01 PM	Jonathon Raven is set ready. @Anyone who pitlords my fight: Please note that my tactics won't probably be up before saturday - thursday, friday and saturday will all be busy days for me...
Zevox 06-13-07, 02:03 PM	Loddick might be able to beat Asran ... but We will see how the arch devil does ... he still could ... ya know ... lose I thought Loddick was off on a mission for TLT? Zevox
SauroGrenom 06-13-07, 02:05 PM	I'm activating Raskos and Kracknol. Raskos is in week 2, so I want to get him out of the 3FC for guild questing (Always was a questing character anyway). Kracknol will probably loose his griffon ally after we decide on the changes for ally rules.
Malither76 06-13-07, 02:13 PM	I have Baelin and Gareth both active as well, both in week 2, Baelin has a poor arena record he is my quest character, and Gareth well he was my first character here I plan on getting him out of cycle and going on a quest.
Erithmu 06-13-07, 02:23 PM	I thought Loddick was off on a mission for TLT? ZevoxHe is ... but my understanding is that my rewards are not going to be frozen since rewards are given at the end ... I could be wrong ...
Zevox 06-13-07, 02:25 PM	He is ... but my understanding is that my rewards are not going to be frozen since rewards are given at the end ... I could be wrong ... Oh, so you meant Loddick might beat Asran to ECL 11, not beat him in a fight! Misunderstood you there. Well then, we'll just see if Asran can get a win in the next two weeks, or if Loddick loses his quest, eh? Zevox
MindWandererB 06-13-07, 02:26 PM	I thought Loddick was off on a mission for TLT?He is ... but my understanding is that my rewards are not going to be frozen since rewards are given at the end ... I could be wrong ...Misunderstanding alert: Zevox is looking for characters that will be activated today. Loddick won't be free to fight Asran (potentially) for a couple more weeks. Edit: too slow.
Macbrea 06-13-07, 02:31 PM	"Bah... wimps, I will meet one of you in the arena.", snorts Lord Frost.
Erithmu 06-13-07, 02:33 PM	Oh, so you meant Loddick might beat Asran to ECL 11, not beat him in a fight! Misunderstood you there. Well then, we'll just see if Asran can get a win in the next two weeks, or if Loddick loses his quest, eh? ZevoxOooohhhhh ... so Asran wants a rematch ...
MitzaVolchenko 06-13-07, 02:34 PM	Perhaps next week for Indivara. I wanted to get Willow up and running this week, but it is not to be. If Rith is still up for it, maybe start her quest next week.
Malither76 06-13-07, 02:38 PM	Its nice to see the EHTC getting there level 10's active, let the games begin.
Erithmu 06-13-07, 02:38 PM	Perhaps next week for Indivara. I wanted to get Willow up and running this week, but it is not to be. If Rith is still up for it, maybe start her quest next week. :thumbsup: You still got get me those couple of PMs
Zevox 06-13-07, 02:38 PM	Oooohhhhh ... so Asran wants a rematch ... Not necessarily - I just thought you were talking about a fight, since you the reply was to my question of who was active in those leagues this week. Though I suppose such a fight might be interesting. Though I think it'd be more interesting at ECL 12 or 13, when Asran gets his main Blackguard abilities (Dark Blessing and Divine Might). Zevox
Erithmu 06-13-07, 02:43 PM	Not necessarily - I just thought you were talking about a fight, since you the reply was to my question of who was active in those leagues this week. Though I suppose such a fight might be interesting. Though I think it'd be more interesting at ECL 12 or 13, when Asran gets his main Blackguard abilities (Dark Blessing and Divine Might). Zevox Hrum ... I think I'm more worried about Senorda at that point. Although the big bloody axe is nothing to scoff at. We shall see, but perhaps it may be impending anyways ...
MitzaVolchenko 06-13-07, 02:44 PM	Its nice to see the EHTC getting there level 10's active, let the games begin. I may skip ECL 10 altogether with Indi...she is old enough to have a birthday ;)
Erithmu 06-13-07, 02:46 PM	Well the good news is that there are no held over fights from last week, which is probably a good thing considering the extra weight the higher level leagues are going to use up.
Zevox 06-13-07, 02:52 PM	Hrum ... I think I'm more worried about Senorda at that point. Although the big bloody axe is nothing to scoff at. We shall see, but perhaps it may be impending anyways ... *shrugs* Well, as they level up, her Polymorph spells get more potent for both of them, not just her. Plus the kind of damage Asran will do when he has divine might is nothing to scoff at - he'll have 9 uses per cycle where he adds +6 to the damage of every attack in a round. Given his natural weapons, fast-growing bab, and a casting of Haste from Senorda, a full attack with divine might from him could be really, really painful. Zevox
Erithmu 06-13-07, 02:57 PM	Like I'm going to let you get in a full attack ... In other news I think McJarvis has about 3 min to fix something before TM smacks him upside the head.
Sunwolf 06-13-07, 03:16 PM	I won't be activating my ECL 10's this week since I will be w/o an internet connection till Saturday or so.
McJarvis 06-13-07, 03:16 PM	Like I'm going to let you get in a full attack ... In other news I think McJarvis has about 3 min to fix something before TM smacks him upside the head. My browser errored out when I readyd her the first time...I re-did most of the changes, but forgot to ready her. D'oh! On the bright side, I'm only 15 mins late & all I did was change the subject line...
MindWandererB 06-13-07, 03:19 PM	My browser errored out when I readyd her the first time...I re-did most of the changes, but forgot to ready her. D'oh! On the bright side, I'm only 15 mins late & all I did was change the subject line... I was about to say....Cupid De Locke (McJarvis) : FULL ACTIVITY: Jun 6th, Craft Magical Arms and Armor - see sheet Tessero Valis (TheMagister) : Ready for Jun 13th (fight 1); Free Activity (guarding)I nearly paired Tessero all by himself! Also: I've updated the roster with the readied characters, and I see a whole lot of them. For pitlords, we only have 12 fights covered + 3 offers + 1 <max>. I think we're going to need some volunteers if we want to avoid an SoE on our first thawed week.
Erithmu 06-13-07, 03:23 PM	I was about to say....I nearly paired Tessero all by himself! Bard?!? ... we don't need no stinking Bard!
McJarvis 06-13-07, 03:39 PM	Also: I've updated the roster with the readied characters, and I see a whole lot of them. For pitlords, we only have 12 fights covered + 3 offers + 1 <max>. I think we're going to need some volunteers if we want to avoid an SoE on our first thawed week. I'll take two fights-> and volunteer for them to be two monsters, as well. A third if you honestly don't get any more volunteers...though I would really prefer to stay at just 2. Man, glad I didn't activate all my characters this week. [the thought crossed my mind] ~McJ~
TelinArtho 06-13-07, 03:40 PM	I'll pick up an extra fight as well.
Korone 06-13-07, 03:44 PM	Also: I've updated the roster with the readied characters, and I see a whole lot of them. For pitlords, we only have 12 fights covered + 3 offers + 1 <max>. I think we're going to need some volunteers if we want to avoid an SoE on our first thawed week. If you have a simple ECL 3 fight, I could take a try on one if it can help.
Khaim 06-13-07, 04:02 PM	Also: I've updated the roster with the readied characters, and I see a whole lot of them. For pitlords, we only have 12 fights covered + 3 offers + 1 <max>. I think we're going to need some volunteers if we want to avoid an SoE on our first thawed week. I can take an ECL 3 fight again.
MindWandererB 06-13-07, 04:29 PM	There are a total of 28 fights in need of pitlords/miniquestlords, including a couple of multiplayer fights (which I prefer to count as 2 for the purpose of requests, but I can't this week). Counting all volunteers and offers, only 20 fights/miniquests are covered. I'll wait a little longer to see if I can get some more volunteers, either to pitlord a fight or to withdraw their characters. If I can't achieve parity somehow, I'm going to have to declare an SoE.
Zevox 06-13-07, 04:35 PM	*Looks over his active characters* Two full activities, no pitlord drain there... two Guild activities, couldn't pull those out if I wanted... and Asran, no way I'm deactivating him when I've been waiting so long for a chance to level him again. Guess its a good thing I'm already running max fights then. :( Zevox
Malither76 06-13-07, 04:36 PM	I can take 3 fights this week to help out, looks like I should have sunday and monday free so I can get them done.
Usurpator 06-13-07, 04:36 PM	I'll wait a little longer to see if I can get some more volunteers, either to pitlord a fight or to withdraw their characters. If I can't achieve parity somehow, I'm going to have to declare an SoE. No time to Pitlord this weekend, but in anticipation of these problems I did activate only one character this week instead of two.
MindWandererB 06-13-07, 04:42 PM	I can take 3 fights this week to help out, looks like I should have sunday and monday free so I can get them done. <whistles> All right, that'll do it, albeit barely. Pairings up in a few minutes; I advise everyone to take a close look at their fights to make sure it's something you can handle. If not, there may be some trading involved.
TelinArtho 06-13-07, 04:45 PM	Also - if anyone finds they are unable to finish a fight - post as early as possible about it and make sure to post the tactics so that someone else can pick it up.
Sjiggie 06-13-07, 04:50 PM	I don't have the time to pitlord this week. Lots of schoolwork and away from home this weekend but neither of mine characters are active.
SauroGrenom 06-13-07, 05:02 PM	I can probably pick up +1 fights this week.
MitzaVolchenko 06-13-07, 05:03 PM	I'll take total of three, but I need easy ones as I am going to be giving up leisure time to get them done.
MindWandererB 06-13-07, 05:07 PM	All right, I think that covers it; pairings are done. Please take a look and make sure it's all correct and managable. @Sauro and Mitza: Thanks for your offers, but I was already done at that point. You can be floaters for pickups; I have a feeling we'll need them. Or you can lighten someone's load on a voluntary basis. I'm changing the credit reporting format: this is the way I keep it for my own records, and shows the breakdown. Don't know why I wasn't doing it this way all along, except that I was doing it the way Cat used to. Credits: Erithmu: F3 A-2 Macbrea: F1 McJarvis: F3 MindWandererB: F1 A2 G1 Q2 Q-1 A-2 MitzaVolchenko: F1 Q-1 Rauul: F2 Q2 A-1 Salrantol: F2 SauroGrenom: A1 G1 C3 Sjiggie: Q2 TelinArtho: F4 G1 A-3 templer10: F3 A-2 Zevox: F5 G1 A-1 Khaim: F1 Korone: F1 Malither76: F3 Q2 A-1 NiQil: A1 A-2 TheMagister: G1 Vathelokai: A1 G1 Q-2 A-2 Key: F=Fights, Q=quest ('Lord +, participant -), A=Admin or Activations (+ or -), G=Guildmaster, C=Campaign
Salrantol 06-13-07, 05:17 PM	When someone is on an assault operation against a para-military group, does that pit them against an operative of that group at their ECL? Or is it just any kind of MQ?
Erithmu 06-13-07, 05:20 PM	When someone is on an assault operation against a para-military group, does that pit them against an operative of that group at their ECL? Or is it just any kind of MQ? Operative of that group ... ex: The fight that I'm running for Hood is against the monster and a Human ftr 7
MindWandererB 06-13-07, 05:25 PM	Operative of that group ... ex: The fight that I'm running for Hood is against the monster and a Human ftr 7 Incorrect. That's only when they attack you, and you intercept. When you attack them, it's a random monster.
SauroGrenom 06-13-07, 05:25 PM	Woooaahh.... Hold up a minute. I'm looking at my opponents here, and there appears to be some kind of misunderstanding. I was under the impression that characters coming out of the IMT were at whatever point in the 3FC they were at in the end of the IMT. So I have Raskos on Fight 3, and Kracknol on Fight 2 of their respective 3FC. I see that both Aerryl and Asran are at the top of their 3FC in Fight 1. This isn't so much of a problem for Kracknol since he's a warrior type, but for Raskos I was just going to fight 1 round to get out of the 3FC and become available for guild quests, also he has some gold to spend and I wasn't aware I had a chance to spend it. Now that I think about it I suppose it's not too bad, but I was surprised to see Aerryl with her full compliment of memorized spells.
MindWandererB 06-13-07, 05:28 PM	Woooaahh.... Hold up a minute. I'm looking at my opponents here, and there appears to be some kind of misunderstanding. I was under the impression that characters coming out of the IMT were at whatever point in the 3FC they were at in the end of the IMT. So I have Raskos on Fight 3, and Kracknol on Fight 2 of their respective 3FC. I see that both Aerryl and Asran are at the top of their 3FC in Fight 1. This isn't so much of a problem for Kracknol since he's a warrior type, but for Raskos I was just going to fight 1 round to get out of the 3FC and become available for guild quests, also he has some gold to spend and I wasn't aware I had a chance to spend it. Now that I think about it I suppose it's not too bad, but I was surprised to see Aerryl with her full compliment of memorized spells. Character Reset All characters participating will be reset to Week 1, no matter in which week they're now. Equal chances to everyone. Once the tournament is over, all characters will continue normally in which week they were in when the higher leagues unfreeze. There it is. Edit: Actually, that's a bit more vague than I realized. What Cat meant was that they'd resume the cycle they were in when they began the tournament.
MitzaVolchenko 06-13-07, 05:29 PM	Um, MWB, why am I paying for a fourth week of a quest? The QL has my tactics for fight three...I wasn't aware that the QL being late cost me another credit...
SauroGrenom 06-13-07, 05:31 PM	There it is. Looks to me that when you enter the tournament everyone resets to week 1. Then when you leave the tournament, you simply are frozen at whatever point in the 3FC. Then when the league unfreezes, you re-enter the 3FC at whatever point you were at. So you start the tournament at week 1, loose in the 2nd battle, and are frozen in week 3. Then you re-enter the normal arena 3FC in week 3 when the league is unfrozen.
MindWandererB 06-13-07, 05:32 PM	Um, MWB, why am I paying for a fourth week of a quest? The QL has my tactics for fight three...I wasn't aware that the QL being late cost me another credit... That would be here:Late Quests: A Quest must be done in three weeks, ie all three encounters must be finished. If that is not the case, a Quest is late and will be extended at a credit cost for both Questlord and Players. The 4th week, a negative penality of 1° will be assigned, another 2° in the 5th week, and if it goes into week 6, everyone gets 3° deducted. After that the Quest will be removed from the roster and is considered abandoned. Please note that the status of the Quest solely depends on what is written in the Questlog, so if the Quest is done but the Questlog not updated, negative penalties apply still.
MindWandererB 06-13-07, 05:36 PM	Looks to me that when you enter the tournament everyone resets to week 1. Then when you leave the tournament, you simply are frozen at whatever point in the 3FC. Then when the league unfreezes, you re-enter the 3FC at whatever point you were at. So you start the tournament at week 1, loose in the 2nd battle, and are frozen in week 3. Then you re-enter the normal arena 3FC in week 3 when the league is unfrozen. Yeah, I see where you get that. Cat explained it in more detail in some thread or another, probably the IMT Gossip thread. It really doesn't matter much, either way, but the intent was that characters wouldn't gain any benefit from "getting out of" the cycle they were in when the IMT started. I'm okay with allowing it whichever way you interpreted it. In fact, now that it think of it, Cat's original idea was kind of silly--if you bought stuff in preparation for IMT, it means you'd be resuming a cycle having renewed resources in the middle.
Erithmu 06-13-07, 05:36 PM	Incorrect. That's only when they attack you, and you intercept. When you attack them, it's a random monster. So ... then do I run an ECL 9 monster or two ECL 7s vs Hood? or give TM the choice?
Salrantol 06-13-07, 05:45 PM	Incorrect. That's only when they attack you, and you intercept. When you attack them, it's a random monster.So it's run like a normal monster fight, then? Generate random monster, post info, buy equipment, etc.?
SoulLord 06-13-07, 05:50 PM	Actually Vandelar seems to be missing from the pairings Vathelokai volunteered to mq him. if that is impossible then at least add him to the fights please.
Rauul 06-13-07, 05:54 PM	Niqil, Save yourself some time... Shadow shows up at the arena Sees he is to face Tyden Rayn for the 2rd time in a row in the cavern.. and walks into the shadows and Dosen't show up for the fight.. He Surrenders.. @Telin Tactics for Regina sent..
Erithmu 06-13-07, 06:05 PM	Niqil, Save yourself some time... Shadow shows up at the arena Sees he is to face Tyden Rayn for the 2rd time in a row in the cavern.. and walks into the shadows and Dosen't show up for the fight.. He Surrenders.. @Telin Tactics for Regina sent.. ummm ... Shadow is in a FFA vs Truls and Balthazar ... you might want to write some tactics.
MindWandererB 06-13-07, 06:07 PM	Niqil, Save yourself some time... Shadow shows up at the arena Sees he is to face Tyden Rayn for the 2rd time in a row in the cavern.. and walks into the shadows and Dosen't show up for the fight.. He Surrenders.. @Telin Tactics for Regina sent.. Wait, if it's really twice in a row on the same map at the same level, they should be re-paired. Yep, I see that's the case. Tyden Rayn (NiQil) vs. Unholy Ninja (Vathelokai) : templer10 [Cavern] The shadow (Rauul) vs. Truls Rohk (NiQil) vs. Balthazar Picsou (hogarth) : TelinArtho [Forest][All-vs-All] @SoulLord: Vandelar's title says this: "Questing TAO Vathelokai 13-june-2007" No quest objective, only a guild name. And TAO isn't signed up for any quests. If it wasn't a guild quest, the questlord should have PMed Pitlords with the details (EL and objective). So I have no idea what you wanted here.
Erithmu 06-13-07, 06:08 PM	@MWB: You have me running 3 fights (credit list), but I have 4 going at the moment. If someone would like to pick up one of my fights (I have already started the MQ) it would be nice, and then MWB doesn't have to change my credits.
Zevox 06-13-07, 06:12 PM	So it's run like a normal monster fight, then? Generate random monster, post info, buy equipment, etc.? Not quite. An assault against a PMG is run as a miniquest, but the opponent has to be a randomly rolled monster. Zevox
Salrantol 06-13-07, 06:14 PM	@MitzaVolchenko: Tactics sent for Esme Baraksdottir vs. Juggernaut @NiQil: Check your PMs for a note about simplifying the fight for the pitlord.
hogarth 06-13-07, 06:17 PM	The shadow (Rauul) vs. Truls Rohk (NiQil) vs. Balthazar Picsou (hogarth) : TelinArtho [Forest][All-vs-All] Three sneaky guys in the forest? Sounds like fun (if they ever find each other). Last one in the bog is a rotten egg!
Rauul 06-13-07, 06:22 PM	The shadow (Rauul) vs. Truls Rohk (NiQil) vs. Balthazar Picsou (hogarth) : TelinArtho [Forest][All-vs-All] Three sneaky guys in the forest? Sounds like fun (if they ever find each other). Last one in the bog is a rotten egg! wow this will make me acually have to think about tacics... sheesh... @Malither76 Corrupter's tactics for the Slaughter in the Forest sent...
SoulLord 06-13-07, 07:41 PM	@SoulLord: Vandelar's title says this: "Questing TAO Vathelokai 13-june-2007" No quest objective, only a guild name. And TAO isn't signed up for any quests. If it wasn't a guild quest, the questlord should have PMed Pitlords with the details (EL and objective). So I have no idea what you wanted here. well its only for fun as to what is it going to be it has not decided yet as there are mutiple opportunities to further the cause of the TAO. Just add Vandelar as "questing for fun: vathelokai" and that should be enough.
Zevox 06-13-07, 07:48 PM	@ Salrantol - Tactics for Kathren Durrol (vs Free Thinkers Wizard operative) have been PMed. I think I have some idea how hard it was write tactics against wizards back before they had to prepare spells in advance now... The Battlesong Duet[EL 8] (Party) vs. Maya Redwine (MindWandererB) and Lord Lorian (templer10) : Zevox [City] [Inter-League] So, can we be honest and just call this an ECL 6 team fight? ;) Zevox
McJarvis 06-13-07, 07:53 PM	@ Salrantol - Tactics for Kathren Durrol (vs Free Thinkers Wizard operative) have been PMed. I think I have some idea how hard it was write tactics against wizards back before they had to prepare spells in advance now... So, can we be honest and just call this an ECL 6 team fight? ;) Zevox We enjoy advantages the other team doesn't. Of course, they enjoy the advantage of not having a bard on their side...
MindWandererB 06-13-07, 08:10 PM	well its only for fun as to what is it going to be it has not decided yet as there are mutiple opportunities to further the cause of the TAO. Just add Vandelar as "questing for fun: vathelokai" and that should be enough. Done.
Korone 06-13-07, 08:38 PM	@Malither76 : Tactics for Yakov and Atemu sent. @TelinArtho : Tactics understood.
Zevox 06-13-07, 09:26 PM	Jonathan Raven Gravebound vs Baelin the Shadow A pity one of the first ever unfrozen ECL 10 matches had to be like this, but thats what happens when the roller pits a Vampire against a Rogue with no silver weapons... Zevox
Rauul 06-13-07, 09:54 PM	Jonathan Raven Gravebound vs Baelin the Shadow A pity one of the first ever unfrozen ECL 10 matches had to be like this, but thats what happens when the roller pits a Vampire against a Rogue with no silver weapons... Zevox Ouch... Nice to see the resident Vampire win a match.. Think i will start hording cold iron and silver arrows for my sniper at ecl 4-5
Eluria 06-13-07, 09:54 PM	@MWB: Tactics for Mohmat v. Lady Liara sent @T10: Lame prison violation posted re: Liara; sorry
Rauul 06-13-07, 10:48 PM	@TelinArtho, Shadows Tactics for the Battle of the Sneaks sent
Vathelokai 06-13-07, 11:01 PM	@SoulLord: Vandelar's title says this: "Questing TAO Vathelokai 13-june-2007" No quest objective, only a guild name. And TAO isn't signed up for any quests. If it wasn't a guild quest, the questlord should have PMed Pitlords with the details (EL and objective). So I have no idea what you wanted here. My bad. Been a rough couple weeks. Thanks for adding the quest.
NiQil 06-13-07, 11:08 PM	@ MitzaVolchenko: Tactics for Juggernaut sent via PM @ Rauul: Tactics for Taren Rune sent via PM @ TelinArtho: Tactics for Truls Rohk sent via PM @ templer10: Tactics for Tyden Rayn sent via PM @ Vath: Unholy Ninja is forever doomed to fight my characters, it appears...
hogarth 06-13-07, 11:23 PM	@TelinArtho: tactics sent for Balthazar Picsou
Erithmu 06-13-07, 11:46 PM	@Macbrea: Tactics for Frost received @Malither76 & Amalcon: replies sent w/ questions/clarifications.
Rauul 06-13-07, 11:46 PM	@ Vath: Unholy Ninja is forever doomed to fight my characters, it appears... We are all Forever doomed to fight your characters till we get to ECL 5-6... I have come to accept this.. and fear the day you get one you like.. and take to ECL 10
NiQil 06-13-07, 11:58 PM	We are all Forever doomed to fight your characters till we get to ECL 5-6... I have come to accept this.. and fear the day you get one you like.. and take to ECL 10 Heh...oh ye of little faith. But just for that, I'll make sure Truls kills shadow first LOL
Vathelokai 06-14-07, 12:04 AM	@ Vath: Unholy Ninja is forever doomed to fight my characters, it appears... Unfortunate that it's a rematch. Ninja is the only PC to ever defeat Tyden Rayn, and I suspect it won't be so easy to take him down this time. Therefore, I'll have tactics out tomorrow. I need to think on this one.
Erithmu 06-14-07, 12:05 AM	I just noticed something ... and then I noticed a second something ... All of Niqil's current roster characters 1) do not have full BAB progression classes 2) are not dwarves ... I'm very afraid for the end of the world. :gah:
Erithmu 06-14-07, 12:11 AM	Unfortunate that it's a rematch. Ninja is the only PC to ever defeat Tyden Rayn, and I suspect it won't be so easy to take him down this time. Therefore, I'll have tactics out tomorrow. I need to think on this one. Ya know ... looking over that fight ... Tyden actually should have probably won ... considering TM didn't surge the dissipating touch that crit. (ie 6d6 instead of 2d6)
NiQil 06-14-07, 01:05 AM	I just noticed something ... and then I noticed a second something ... All of Niqil's current roster characters 1) do not have full BAB progression classes 2) are not dwarves ... I'm very afraid for the end of the world. :gah: Not only that, but they are all dex heavy builds... And in other news, Purgatory has snowblowers on sale in hardware...
Malither76 06-14-07, 01:22 AM	I got to say back in Baelins active days there were no wereanythings here and no vampires so silver was not that common, and King U ran most of my quest which involved NPC villains. But don't worry I will equip better once out of my current 3FC :) whats another loss in the arena for him, he is a quest build but maybe soon I can get some wins.
Rauul 06-14-07, 02:22 AM	Heh...oh ye of little faith. But just for that, I'll make sure Truls kills shadow first LOL Oh i don't dough you will try.. Lets see a Bard/Thief or the full bard.. i know what one i would target..
templer10 06-14-07, 05:04 AM	i just finsihed moveing apartments (sort of) and looked at fights - Lord lorian + maya redwin VS the battlesong duet - that's going to be "fun" to run - 4 chars + 1 cohort +3 horses....
Rauul 06-14-07, 07:56 AM	i just finsihed moveing apartments (sort of) and looked at fights - Lord lorian + maya redwin VS the battlesong duet - that's going to be "fun" to run - 4 chars + 1 cohort +3 horses.... Kill the horses, blow up the bard... and then slug it out like real men
Erithmu 06-14-07, 09:22 AM	@T10: tactics received. You could have done that in one PM, easily: we all have access to the SRD. @bgt: response sent for clarification That leaves Salrantol for first draft of tactics. Gareth and Frost should get run today, and maybe the ECL 3 if I get bgt's stuff back.
Macbrea 06-14-07, 10:41 AM	Odd.. I noticed Malither76 tactics might break down on the simple statement that I don't charge but move to combat. His readied action won't activate and once I move into the 20ft reach he cannot lions charge. Odd, guess it just a straight up swinging at me on his turn type fight. Granted he quickly out melees Frost. But wasn't anything I could do about that in the sewers.
Erithmu 06-14-07, 11:02 AM	Pretty much ... Frost vs Gareth
Macbrea 06-14-07, 11:05 AM	Sewers made that fight pretty hard to win. But I guess, I am building almost exactly the same character in Izumi. And I am pretty sure at this point in time Frost cannot take Izumi and she is 2 levels lower.
Erithmu 06-14-07, 11:10 AM	Well for what it is worth ... your tactics are my favorite of the week so far. 2 lines.
Macbrea 06-14-07, 11:16 AM	I normally write short tactics for Frost, Izumi and Razorfang. Yorick's and Relanex are the ones I spend the longest one because they have alot of options.
Macbrea 06-14-07, 11:23 AM	@Mcjarvis and Telin: Combined Tactics for Yorick and Bulgar sent to McJarvis.
Malither76 06-14-07, 11:46 AM	Thanks for the run, yeah I need to put unarmed damage on there based on size since grapple has changed while he was frozen, I got to say Gareth is my favorite character, I just love melee monsters. I hope someone will run a high EL campaign b/c I love the RP with him, check out KU onld campaign A New Threat for a good story, It was really cool doing a diving charge on a beholder we came up against and doing over 100 damage in a round. Speaking of Campaign I think im going to run one soon maybe start up in about 4 weeks or so if I can get everything together I was thinking EL 8 or 9 with 5 or 6 characters I haven't came up with the alignment yet but if interested please go ahead and shoot me a PM it will be easier to work things out if I can for up a party. Thanks
McJarvis 06-14-07, 11:52 AM	@Mcjarvis and Telin: Combined Tactics for Yorick and Bulgar sent to McJarvis. Received
TelinArtho 06-14-07, 12:00 PM	I believe I have sent all of my tactics to appropriate parties. If they haven't been received - let me know. I have received tactics for all three members of the FFA. I have also received Regina Diamond's tactics. Still missing: Sarai Farenze (stimpydoda), Archdevil Asran (Zevox) and Raskos the Jade Father (Saurogrenom). Will start on the FFA when I get the chance.
Zevox 06-14-07, 12:05 PM	Pretty much ... Frost vs Gareth Not that it matters for that fight, but Frost should've made a fortitude save vs massive damage after the 56 damage AoO. Zevox
Zevox 06-14-07, 01:59 PM	@ Telin - Tactics for Archdevil Asran (vs Raskos) have been PMed. If ever Asran's SR might come in handy, its now. If only the dice will give him a little cooperation... Zevox
templer10 06-14-07, 03:42 PM	@T10: tactics received. You could have done that in one PM, easily: we all have access to the SRD. @bgt: response sent for clarification That leaves Salrantol for first draft of tactics. Gareth and Frost should get run today, and maybe the ECL 3 if I get bgt's stuff back. sorry rith - i had one 2 many fights when pitlords didnt remmber something and i had to argue about it at the 11th hour.
TelinArtho 06-14-07, 03:48 PM	The Shadow (Rauul) vs Truls Rohk (NiQil) vs Balthazar Picsou (hogarth) is up. Not the most beautiful battle when 2 of the three participants sink into the swamp and the third, while pretty much invisible except when moving, can't see the broadside of a barn...
Abyssal Stalker 06-14-07, 03:50 PM	Jonathan Raven Gravebound vs Baelin the Shadow A pity one of the first ever unfrozen ECL 10 matches had to be like this, but thats what happens when the roller pits a Vampire against a Rogue with no silver weapons... Zevox I think even with the silver arrows he would have had hard times. Not being able to use death attack or that 6d6 sneak attack would be painful. And Jonathon has fast healing and a relatively high AC. Thanks anyway for the "run".
Rauul 06-14-07, 04:16 PM	The Shadow (Rauul) vs Truls Rohk (NiQil) vs Balthazar Picsou (hogarth) is up. Not the most beautiful battle when 2 of the three participants sink into the swamp and the third, while pretty much invisible except when moving, can't see the broadside of a barn... Nice run.. care to add the political Carreer to Shadows winnings for taking 2nd.. the sleep spell was what i was worried about.. being the only human vs 2 elves..
TelinArtho 06-14-07, 04:20 PM	Ephraim with help from Marcus uncovers information about a succubus from an Ogre Mage in A Drop of Blood @Rauul - sure thing, forgot about the political career for Balthazar too I think.
hogarth 06-14-07, 04:23 PM	Nice run.. care to add the political Carreer to Shadows winnings for taking 2nd.. the sleep spell was what i was worried about.. being the only human vs 2 elves.. You also forgot about Balthazar Picsou's Political Career bonus. So close and yet so far; he could've finished Shadow off with a Sound Burst!
Rauul 06-14-07, 04:26 PM	You also forgot about Balthazar Picsou's Political Career bonus. So close and yet so far; he could've finished Shadow off with a Sound Burst! Could of, Would of, should of.. I have a feeling this isn't the last time these 2 bards meet..
Erithmu 06-14-07, 06:00 PM	@Mal76: Tactics for Torel out ... I'm thankful for high touch AC right now ... @Rauul: You might have a chance if you played it right ...
Rauul 06-14-07, 06:09 PM	@Mal76: Tactics for Torel out ... I'm thankful for high touch AC right now ... @Rauul: You might have a chance if you played it right ... did you notice the Spell list that Corrupter has left... his chance against a druid in the woods... 1 in a 100
templer10 06-14-07, 08:07 PM	Zevox - tactics for lord lorian part of the iner league fight is sent (mwb's should be shortly). mcjarvis - tactics for elrick sent. MWB- tactics for lady liara sent.
MindWandererB 06-14-07, 08:13 PM	Zevox - tactics for lord lorian part of the iner league fight is sent (mwb's should be shortly).Already done, actually, as are my tactics for Kervan and Aerryl. I have tactics for Mohmat and Liara; I'll probably get started on that one tonight.
templer10 06-14-07, 08:30 PM	Already done, actually, as are my tactics for Kervan and Aerryl. I have tactics for Mohmat and Liara; I'll probably get started on that one tonight. from doing a mounted char- i think more and more it pays to have a small size char for a mounted/spirited charge char even with slightly lower dmg since the ability to have medium sized mounts means you can charge a lot more easly and the speed disadvatage can be compensated.
NiQil 06-14-07, 09:14 PM	The Shadow (Rauul) vs Truls Rohk (NiQil) vs Balthazar Picsou (hogarth) is up. Not the most beautiful battle when 2 of the three participants sink into the swamp and the third, while pretty much invisible except when moving, can't see the broadside of a barn... Wow...didn't expect to pull that off. Was thinking I would get caught in crossfire and dropped. Score one for the no expendable guys I guess... Thanks for the run. Off to level 5!
stimpydoda 06-14-07, 09:24 PM	@TelinArtho Tactics sent for Sarai Farenze.
hogarth 06-14-07, 09:30 PM	Wow...didn't expect to pull that off. Was thinking I would get caught in crossfire and dropped. Well, Balthazar has nothing to "crossfire" with, so I think you were safe there. Can you have a "crossfire" with one person? ;)
Khaim 06-14-07, 09:33 PM	Templer10, Zevox: Tactics in.
TheMagister 06-14-07, 09:34 PM	I just realized that (among other things) I was too busy to remember to sign myself up for my usual three fights this weekend. Anyone who has too heavy a load can push a fight off onto me anytime via PM or public announcement. I can take a max of three, first come first served. TM
NiQil 06-14-07, 09:35 PM	Well, Balthazar has nothing to "crossfire" with, so I think you were safe there. Can you have a "crossfire" with one person? ;) He has a sling....that's more than enough to fire with. My second character ever here went 3-0 using nothing buy his sling (because he was too slow to get into melee) before I deleted him.
Rauul 06-14-07, 09:58 PM	Wow...didn't expect to pull that off. Was thinking I would get caught in crossfire and dropped. Score one for the no expendable guys I guess... Thanks for the run. Off to level 5! Shoo git... get out!!! with all the NiQil pests!!!
NiQil 06-14-07, 10:01 PM	Shoo git... get out!!! with all the NiQil pests!!! So I would say that you should be careful what you wish for here....but I think you already know that :P
Zevox 06-14-07, 10:26 PM	from doing a mounted char- i think more and more it pays to have a small size char for a mounted/spirited charge char even with slightly lower dmg since the ability to have medium sized mounts means you can charge a lot more easly and the speed disadvatage can be compensated. Pah, if you're depending on mounted charges, you're just asking to get screwed, no matter what your size. The plains aside, its really easy to avoid those on our maps. Thats why my mounted characters are all casters to some degree or another, and the one with Spirited Charge just uses it as an option, she doesn't let herself get dependent on it. Anyway, I've recieved tactics for Psellus vs Namara, plus tactics from Maya, Lorian, and Kervan. I'll run the former tomorrow, and the others over the weekend when I have the rest of the tactics. Zevox
MindWandererB 06-14-07, 10:29 PM	Pah, if you're depending on mounted charges, you're just asking to get screwed, no matter what your size. The plains aside, its really easy to avoid those on our maps. Thats why my mounted characters are all casters to some degree or another, and the one with Spirited Charge just uses it as an option, she doesn't let herself get dependent on it.I think a Medium flying mount with Fleet of Foot (or at least Psionic Charge) could make a good show of it.
Zevox 06-14-07, 10:33 PM	I think a Medium flying mount with Fleet of Foot (or at least Psionic Charge) could make a good show of it. Maybe, maybe not. Fleet of Foot or Psionic Charge still only work if you can see your opponent, though, so just ducking out of sight behind some cover still avoids it fairly easily. Zevox
Rauul 06-14-07, 11:24 PM	So I would say that you should be careful what you wish for here....but I think you already know that :P yup i know it well... just realized that if i had pulled off a win there... i would of been 1 fight away from ecl 5.. need to level and get points in listen and spot..
Khaim 06-15-07, 07:22 AM	Anyway, I've recieved tactics for Psellus vs Namara, plus tactics from Maya, Lorian, and Kervan. I'll run the former tomorrow, and the others over the weekend when I have the rest of the tactics. That fight should take you all of five minutes. I don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of taking out a monk.
Salrantol 06-15-07, 07:50 AM	@Erithmu: Tactics for Enoch the Prophet & co. vs. Longshot sent via PM. It'd be over in no time on any map but the sewers, but this should be interesting.
Hirumajoe 06-15-07, 08:05 AM	@Zevox: Tactics for Valen Sky have been sent.
Usurpator 06-15-07, 08:11 AM	That fight should take you all of five minutes. I don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of taking out a monk. Actually, I wanted to say no, you have some odds, but I kind of forgot that elves are immune to sleep to, which leaves a confirmed critical plus a regular hit as the only real option. Which comes down to 2% or so at best.
McJarvis 06-15-07, 08:45 AM	@Zevox: I'm afraid team TBD's tactics are going to be late. I think we can get them together by midnight(est) friday, but I suppose that's contingent on whether you can take late tactics.. ~McJ~
templer10 06-15-07, 10:04 AM	psyker VS ialgo is done and here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12735208&postcount=961)
TelinArtho 06-15-07, 10:35 AM	@templer10 - thanks for the run. There's a couple of things in there that I flat out don't understand. 1. My tactics called for a ready to cast Wind Wall on hearing an attack. This is a valid tactic - so there should be a listen check (minus distance) vs DC0 to cast Wind Wall before he hits me. 2. In round 11, you have Ialgo go in a direction to "look for Psyker" that Psyker could not have possibly gone. That doesn't make any sense to me. If Ialgo moves 15ft eastward, he auto-spots Psyker, but failing that - north or even south makes more sense that west (away from the last know location of Psyker...). Since Ialgo just came from the North, that pretty much leaves further south and east as options. No need to edit the fight unless my opponent thinks it is necessary. If the edit does go in - I would appreciate a new roll on the "random direction" to exclude west since it makes no sense.
templer10 06-15-07, 10:46 AM	@templer10 - thanks for the run. There's a couple of things in there that I flat out don't understand. 1. My tactics called for a ready to cast Wind Wall on hearing an attack. This is a valid tactic - so there should be a listen check (minus distance) vs DC0 to cast Wind Wall before he hits me. 2. In round 11, you have Ialgo go in a direction to "look for Psyker" that Psyker could not have possibly gone. That doesn't make any sense to me. If Ialgo moves 15ft eastward, he auto-spots Psyker, but failing that - north or even south makes more sense that west (away from the last know location of Psyker...). Since Ialgo just came from the North, that pretty much leaves further south and east as options. No need to edit the fight unless my opponent thinks it is necessary. If the edit does go in - I would appreciate a new roll on the "random direction" to exclude west since it makes no sense. can you even do a ready action to 2 diffrent things? (i.e. - being attacked and hearing an attack?) and unless i dont understand it - even with ready action attack on HEARING an attack - you hear it after the attack happened - so can you cast the spell before the arrow hits you? i know in home game i would say you CANT since the attack already happened but iam not sure how it goes stricly by RAW. note it's not exacly the sme as the do X if other guy is spellcasting - since on the ready for spellcasting you intterup in the middle of the spellcasting - here you asked to cast teh wind wall AFTER the attack is made (or there wouldnt be a listen check) - and still have the spell work BEFORE the attack hits. it just doesnt make sense to me you can mouth of a spell in the 0.1 secs or something the arrow needs to travel to hit you. EDIT - you might be right on the 11;th round thing - ill check it more if khaim wants me 2.
TelinArtho 06-15-07, 10:50 AM	The ready has only one action - the finishing of the casting of the spell. This is why you are able to interrupt a standard action casting time spell with another standard action casting time spell. The ready action is triggered by a concrete thing - the hearing of an attack being made. In the CoCo - that attack is DC0 to hear.
templer10 06-15-07, 10:53 AM	The ready has only one action - the finishing of the casting of the spell. This is why you are able to interrupt a standard action casting time spell with another standard action casting time spell. The ready action is triggered by a concrete thing - the hearing of an attack being made. In the CoCo - that attack is DC0 to hear. even so - here you asked for ready action for 2 diffrent things no? (ready for being attacked and ready for hearing the attack).
TelinArtho 06-15-07, 10:54 AM	That's splicing things a little thin - they are one and the same - just two different senses being used - sight or sound.
TelinArtho 06-15-07, 10:55 AM	@Rauul and stimpydoda - received tactics from both of you but need a quick clarification before I really get going. If I don't receive the clarification in time I will make an arbitrary decision on the matter.
UserNamer 06-15-07, 11:04 AM	@Rauul: tactics for Phacce sent.
Zevox 06-15-07, 11:13 AM	@Zevox: I'm afraid team TBD's tactics are going to be late. I think we can get them together by midnight(est) friday, but I suppose that's contingent on whether you can take late tactics.. ~McJ~ Oh, don't worry about that. I'm one pitlord who isn't that concerned about the tactics deadline. I'll generally accept tactics all the way up through Sunday, unless my work schedule for early the next week is particularly tight. Zevox
Erithmu 06-15-07, 11:18 AM	Maegin vs Saldor LA adjusted cleric and a Psion put on an archery duel, with a little melee in the middle. Odd ... yes ... oddest part, probably not.
Rauul 06-15-07, 11:45 AM	@Rauul and stimpydoda - received tactics from both of you but need a quick clarification before I really get going. If I don't receive the clarification in time I will make an arbitrary decision on the matter. ok sent Telin
TelinArtho 06-15-07, 12:29 PM	Thanks for the response Rauul. Was already done with the fight by then - but it was what I arbitrarily chose anyway. Regina Diamond (Rauul) vs Sarai Farenze (stimpydoda) is up.
hogarth 06-15-07, 12:50 PM	Regina Diamond (Rauul) vs Sarai Farenze (stimpydoda) is up. Why would Regina withdrawing provoke an AoO from Sarai's horse?
TelinArtho 06-15-07, 01:57 PM	Take note of positions hogarth - Regina was backed against a wall - so no way to move without drawing AoOs.
Erithmu 06-15-07, 02:07 PM	Longshot vs Enoch This fight is brought to you by the '+1 modifier' in round 10.
Rauul 06-15-07, 02:12 PM	Thanks for the response Rauul. Was already done with the fight by then - but it was what I arbitrarily chose anyway. Regina Diamond (Rauul) vs Sarai Farenze (stimpydoda) is up. thanks for the run.. knew i should of killed the dang horse first.. then Sarai
Erithmu 06-15-07, 02:23 PM	did you notice the Spell list that Corrupter has left... his chance against a druid in the woods... 1 in a 100 Sorry meant to say something here, but got involved running my fights Well I do have to wait out the like .... 20+ rounds of invisibility while you have 60ft of fly speed to do whatever you want to me.
Korone 06-15-07, 02:45 PM	Tatsuo (Adolfo_Mondschein) vs. Dentik Earthmolder (TelinArtho) (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12735958&postcount=962) is done. If I have forgotten anything, just tell me so. This damned fight took a while, especially with the awesome rolls I was continuously making !
Zevox 06-15-07, 02:48 PM	Psellus the Frail vs Namara is done. Zevox
Khaim 06-15-07, 02:48 PM	No need to edit the fight unless my opponent thinks it is necessary. If the edit does go in - I would appreciate a new roll on the "random direction" to exclude west since it makes no sense. I kind of do, yes. I said "snipe" fairly explicitly, and yet twice in that battle I broke cover to take a standard action shot. I'm in no hurry. Plus, there was no reason to waste shots into his Wind Wall for three rounds; I have 14 Int, not 6. Maybe the first round I didn't know it was there or something, but after that it should be pretty clear I can't hit him. I'm perfectly find with allowing him to use the readied Wind Wall to interrupt my attack if I'm allowed to not try to attack him through it. It may be invisible, but its effects sure aren't (and even a "miss" still passes through his square on anything but a natural 1).
Khaim 06-15-07, 02:49 PM	Psellus the Frail vs Namara is done. Zevox Hey, I lasted four rounds! Go me!
TelinArtho 06-15-07, 02:54 PM	Tatsuo (Adolfo_Mondschein) vs. Dentik Earthmolder (TelinArtho) (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12735958&postcount=962) is done. If I have forgotten anything, just tell me so. This damned fight took a while, especially with the awesome rolls I was continuously making ! In the rewards, you need to account for the horse. -25% for Tatsuo, +25% for Dentik meaning 675xp/675gp and 375xp/375gp respectively.
Usurpator 06-15-07, 02:58 PM	Hey, I lasted four rounds! Go me! Namara has been a bit lucky getting opponents (or rather unlucky, since I prefer a bit more of a challenge). I think she still has to receive her first point of damage. You had a good shot at that honor with Psellus first energy ray. Ah well, on to ECL4. @Zevox: thanks for Pitlording!
TelinArtho 06-15-07, 02:59 PM	@Korone - also - missed ammunition has a 50% chance of being recovered. Some pitlords roll this, while others just take 50% of the missed shots and return it after the fight. Rather than have both of us use all of our ammo - can you please give us some of those back?
templer10 06-15-07, 05:16 PM	I kind of do, yes. I said "snipe" fairly explicitly, and yet twice in that battle I broke cover to take a standard action shot. I'm in no hurry. Plus, there was no reason to waste shots into his Wind Wall for three rounds; I have 14 Int, not 6. Maybe the first round I didn't know it was there or something, but after that it should be pretty clear I can't hit him. I'm perfectly find with allowing him to use the readied Wind Wall to interrupt my attack if I'm allowed to not try to attack him through it. It may be invisible, but its effects sure aren't (and even a "miss" still passes through his square on anything but a natural 1). about wind wall - sorry you dont have a single point in spellcraft so you cant identify - as far as you know it could just be regular misses - if you had some more shots that were supposed to hit i would have dont int checks but out of 3 rounds only in 1 round you SHOULD have hit. what you SHOULD have done is sy in the tactics - IF for some odd reason i should be hitting the target but isnt do X - since you didnt mention it iam not going to make it easy for you and negate's telin's tactics after just 1 round. About breaking cover - at the first shot - ialgo was heading in your way and was going to autospot you in at most 2 rounds So i attacking from there near somewhere you can quickly run and hide behind was the best option. (which you did later) about the second shot - i had you shoot since by the time you actually spotted ialgo you barely had any cover left - it's extremly likely you would have been autospotted next round ANYWAY and as far as you knew - you have already hurt ialgo pretty badly (you didnt see ialgo healing) so you thouth you had a good chance of taking him out then and there. frankly seeing as the dice gods were CLEARLY in telin's favor and he basicly hit every single shot- all the edits in the world wont help you since he shot what he shot and did the dmg he did - and dont forget any edit will negate that first hit on ialgo which means he saves his CLW for later, sorry i just dont see the point of an edit when the is a CLEAR winner - at best an edit will make it last a little longer.
templer10 06-15-07, 05:54 PM	Longshot vs Enoch This fight is brought to you by the '+1 modifier' in round 10. thanks for the run - and with that Longshots enters ECL 7 with 43 pps to burn on the next poor soul who meets him...
Salrantol 06-15-07, 06:00 PM	Longshot vs Enoch This fight is brought to you by the '+1 modifier' in round 10.I knew it would be a tough fight, probably the toughest opponent for Enoch in the EL 6 league, but I thought in the sewer I had a chance. You need new dice.
Erithmu 06-15-07, 06:06 PM	I knew it would be a tough fight, probably the toughest opponent for Enoch in the EL 6 league, but I thought in the sewer I had a chance. You need new dice. Tell that to Telin ... Also before I realized that I forgot the Precog. Def. +1 ... You had won by CDG in Round 13 (I think)
Salrantol 06-15-07, 06:09 PM	I knew if I could get hold to stick I'd win, and otherwise I'd lose, and that's just what happened.
Korone 06-15-07, 06:27 PM	@TelinArtho: Changed the reward, I managed to forget about the change when having an ally. Added the munitions recovered too, managed to miss that too. Was the fight otherwise Ok? It's the first time I run a fight and would simply like to know if it was, well, runned correctly.
Rauul 06-15-07, 07:22 PM	Do to me loosing my internet connection Saturday, TM has agreed to pick up my fights for me.. Tactics sent to him.. any problems.. shoot Hood :P and thank you TM your a life saver I tried to send a message to pitlords who is blocking or full.. i need to be removed off the pitlord roster till further notice... Sorry guys and gals
TheMagister 06-15-07, 07:34 PM	and thank you TM your a life saver Glad I could help. Good luck with that internet connection.
templer10 06-15-07, 08:37 PM	Iam missing tactics for Unholy Ninja (Vathelokai) Zwei und'Vierzig (MitzaVolchenko) - i dont WANT to do defult tactics/autoloses but if i dont get it in a couple of hours i will since i dont have time rest of week to run fights.
Zevox 06-15-07, 09:06 PM	Kervan Sheharath vs Valen Sky is done. Ouch, that was one-sided. Zevox
Zevox 06-15-07, 09:09 PM	@ TM/'Rith - Just looked over Hood's MQ, and I think you guys are forgetting something. Manyshot can only be used on targets within 30'. Looks to me like several of Hood's were invalid, and so should've been single-shots. Not sure if it matters or not, but maybe the extra attack will cause one of those shots to hit. Zevox
MindWandererB 06-15-07, 09:12 PM	Kervan Sheharath vs Valen Sky is done. Ouch, that was one-sided. Zevox Yeeeah. I knew it would be one-sided one way or the other. That's all three fights that cycle where I got nailed right off the bat. The good news: I have some major purchases/crafting to do now which will help a whole heck of a lot.
Erithmu 06-15-07, 09:25 PM	@ TM/'Rith - Just looked over Hood's MQ, and I think you guys are forgetting something. Manyshot can only be used on targets within 30'. Looks to me like several of Hood's were invalid, and so should've been single-shots. Not sure if it matters or not, but maybe the extra attack will cause one of those shots to hit. Zevox Curious .... Thanks Zevox...
TheMagister 06-15-07, 09:42 PM	Curious .... Thanks Zevox... I always forget that little tidbit! Thanks Z. (No, I really mean it. Stop looking at me like that!) :D TM edit: And when you figure out how to trip chaos beasts, we'll start working on how to get manyshot out to farther than 30 ft. {just some harmless ribbing} Maybe Far Shot?
Usurpator 06-16-07, 04:35 AM	Seeing this tidbit when looking over Valen Sky's sheet: 10Rounds of Haste Remaining [Max 4 per fight] Could somebody explain the max. 4 per fight? Is this correct?
hogarth 06-16-07, 08:27 AM	Seeing this tidbit when looking over Valen Sky's sheet: Could somebody explain the max. 4 per fight? Is this correct? (10 rounds of haste per day) / (3 fights per day) = 3 1/3 rounds per fight (rounded up to 4 rounds per fight) It's the 1/3 Rule in action.
templer10 06-16-07, 08:53 AM	Rubicanti VS zwei (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12747429&postcount=968) and tyden VS unholy ninja (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12747453&postcount=969) are done, i waited as long as i could but had to call both fights - no tactics and no defult tactics for both zwei or unholy - sorry i dont have time for fights almost during the week.
Usurpator 06-16-07, 09:14 AM	(10 rounds of haste per day) / (3 fights per day) = 3 1/3 rounds per fight (rounded up to 4 rounds per fight) It's the 1/3 Rule in action. So, what do we have a 1/3 rule on again? Wands too? Brooches of shielding? And these things can of course 'saved' and go nova in the last fight, yes? Frankly, I can understand the spell restriction, even if I don't agree. To put in an item and abilities restriction too is idiotic, as far as I'm concerned. The 3FC already takes care of that. Are we afraid people will go nova with limited day abilities?
Hirumajoe 06-16-07, 09:16 AM	Kervan Sheharath vs Valen Sky is done. Ouch, that was one-sided. Zevox First, thanks for the run! Secondly, no problems with the fight. And I love it when the dice actually don't derail the plan. :) Edit: Actually, there is one error in the wrap up. Valen spent 6pp buffing, 10pp on two Hustles, and what looks to be 10pp on Deepcrystal attacks for a total of 26pp, not 21pp.
Hirumajoe 06-16-07, 09:21 AM	So, what do we have a 1/3 rule on again? Wands too? Brooches of shielding? And these things can of course 'saved' and go nova in the last fight, yes? Frankly, I can understand the spell restriction, even if I don't agree. To put in an item and abilities restriction too is idiotic, as far as I'm concerned. The 3FC already takes care of that. Are we afraid people will go nova with limited day abilities? Interestingly, only x/day use abilities and x/day use magic items are hit this way. Charged items such as wands are not, nor are passive items such as Brooches of shielding. Its under Rules of Gladius: Battles of Gladius II. Not saying its the best way of doing things, but it should clarify what it is affected currently by the 3FC. Edit: Its actually kinda unfortunate for straight paladins, with x/day smite evil. Considering the odds that they'll see more than 1 evil opponent in a 3FC aren't good. Not that we see many straight paladin around here...
Vathelokai 06-16-07, 12:52 PM	Rubicanti VS zwei (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12747429&postcount=968) and tyden VS unholy ninja (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12747453&postcount=969) are done, i waited as long as i could but had to call both fights - no tactics and no defult tactics for both zwei or unholy - sorry i dont have time for fights almost during the week. I sent tactics to you before reading this; disregard them. It happens. No worries. EDIT: the free activity is off for Ninja; it should be hide trail instead of perform for money.
Hirumajoe 06-16-07, 03:51 PM	@Zevox: Apparently, I can't add either. I went over the fight one last time and realized I missed the dispel psionics power points also. So 3 for AA-Str, 3 for AA-Dex, 5 for 1st Hustle, 5 for 2nd Hustle, 2 for Deepcrystal, 6 for Dispel, 2 for deepcrystal, and then 6 for deepcrystal. Total of 32. Out of a possible 34. Amazing how many pp you can burn in just 4 turns. :) Should be the last correction to Valen's wrap-up. Hopefully.
NiQil 06-16-07, 04:02 PM	So with his latest fight, Tyden Rayn also levels to 5. I pity the next PC he gets paired against....23 pp to use with Wild Surge (instead of the normal 12), which means he can pop off three 5 pp Wild Surged Dissipating Touches or Crystal Shards, doing 7d6 damage each, and still have enough left over for a couple of Vigors. Of course, having said this, someone will probably rip his arms off and beat him with them in his next match....
templer10 06-16-07, 04:16 PM	So with his latest fight, Tyden Rayn also levels to 5. I pity the next PC he gets paired against....23 pp to use with Wild Surge (instead of the normal 12), which means he can pop off three 5 pp Wild Surged Dissipating Touches or Crystal Shards, doing 7d6 damage each, and still have enough left over for a couple of Vigors. Of course, having said this, someone will probably rip his arms off and beat him with them in his next match.... cough (enervation) cough :D But in all seriosness in ECL 5 that's nasty. solution - dont let you get close.
NiQil 06-16-07, 04:22 PM	cough (enervation) cough :D But in all seriosness in ECL 5 that's nasty. solution - dont let you get close. That's what Crystal Shard is for...and failing that, plinking with the bow. But yeah...Enervation is always the fatal flaw in that plan. But I can't plan for it, so no use worrying about it.
TheMagister 06-16-07, 06:38 PM	Speaking of waiting as long as possible: @Zevox - I've waited and waited to hear back from McJ about tactics for the TBD fight, and he hasn't gotten back with me. So, I'll be trying to piece together something that has a realistic chance of being competitive against that duo. Look for 'em tonight. TM
TheMagister 06-16-07, 07:57 PM	Welp, tactics are sent, such as they are. If it goes into round 10, I'll be shocked. I had to get creative, so look 'em over now and PM me back for any clarifications. TM
Zevox 06-16-07, 08:21 PM	Welp, tactics are sent, such as they are. If it goes into round 10, I'll be shocked. I had to get creative, so look 'em over now and PM me back for any clarifications. TM Recieved, request for a small handful of clarifications/alterations sent. Zevox
TheMagister 06-16-07, 08:26 PM	...and replied to! Thanks for asking. TM
TheMagister 06-16-07, 10:53 PM	Taren Rune vs. Vallgar the Unhinged is completed. Setup and fight.
NiQil 06-16-07, 11:05 PM	Taren Rune vs. Vallgar the Unhinged is completed. Setup and fight. Thanks for the pickup and the run. Nothing jumping out at me as incorrect, but I'll wait until TA has a chance to look it over. Edit: One thing I do see is the summary is not correct....you have no arrows used under Taren's summary. I think you may have put them under Vallgar's summary...but the one's listed there make no sense. By my count, Taren has 3 hits and 9 14 misses (realized I forgot the batch rolling there at the end) that need 50/50 rolls. If you could correct that, that would be super.
TheMagister 06-16-07, 11:09 PM	Oh, he'll prolly find something. {elbow Telin in jest} TM Edit: added in your arrows usage for Taren.
TelinArtho 06-17-07, 10:23 AM	Well I did find something... just not enough to make a difference. Vallgar actually has a second casting of Chill Touch to cast before he needs to recall one. Which means Vallgar gets one more touch on it - but it ultimately won't be enough. To answer specific questions: Why a potion of Mage Armor? Prohibited school = Conjuration. Why not False Life? Because he had other spells that were more important to pick up and I didn't have the money last time to pick it up. With my expanded cap for ECL4, I should be able to manage it I think. Good run.
Salrantol 06-17-07, 04:23 PM	Kathren Durrol intercepts Free Thinkers Operative is up.
TheMagister 06-17-07, 08:10 PM	Sent to Usernamer via PM: Phacce doesn't have a scroll of mount to spend in fight 3 because she used it in fight 2 vs. Arbin Softfoot. Do a doublecheck of your used expendables by physically reading through the two fights she's had and rewrite some tactics for me. You don't have any default tactics, and your current ones are no good. I've got tonight and Monday night to run this battle. If I don't hear from you by Monday night, it'll be my unfortunate duty to run it with no avoidance tactics. TM Edit: What am I thinking?! I can't let you rewrite your tactics! They've already been posted! Sorry dude, but I'm gonna have to run it with no avoidance tactics. I wish I could come to another conclusion.
Zevox 06-17-07, 10:18 PM	Kathren Durrol intercepts Free Thinkers Operative is up. Well, the rewards at least are way, way off. This was an ECL 3 fight, not ECL 1 - loser rewards are 300 xp/gp. I realize that everything in the fight is legal, but I've got to express some serious misgivings about it. This defeat really mainly came about because I had no foreknowledge of my opponent whatsoever to write tactics against, but he was allowed to write tactics against me with full knowledge of my abilities and what he would have to counter. Worse, and though I don't mean this as an attack on Salrantol, I have to admit I get the general feeling that he was designed to counter Kathren specifically - the feat selection and spell selection he had really pigeonholes him as a fortitude save-or-die caster dependant on Ghoul Touch, which would be a bad thing in the arena as a whole but which Kathren is fairly weak against at her present level, particularly with the Spectral Hand scrolls to let him overcome her speed advantage on Starlight. It just doesn't feel like this was a fair fight at all. To say the least, I'm going to recommend some changes to our rules about PMG attack interceptions. Thanks for running the fight anyway Salrantol, and please don't take the above the wrong way. That whole thing has just left a very, very bad taste in my mouth. Zevox
Zevox 06-17-07, 11:26 PM	Actually, just noticed something two potentially major things illegal on the NPC. It was made with 36 point buy, but should have been with 25 point buy. And it has PC wealth, but should've had NPC wealth (2,500 gp). Those are basic NPC creation rules here. Not sure if they'll effect the fight - the latter could really just mean his wand gets downgraded - but it should be looked into. Zevox
Salrantol 06-18-07, 06:44 AM	Well, the rewards at least are way, way off. This was an ECL 3 fight, not ECL 1 - loser rewards are 300 xp/gp.Oops, just looked at the first entry on the rewards chart. Didn't realize that ECLs 1 & 2 would be on there since they're not in use. I realize that everything in the fight is legal, but I've got to express some serious misgivings about it. This defeat really mainly came about because I had no foreknowledge of my opponent whatsoever to write tactics against, but he was allowed to write tactics against me with full knowledge of my abilities and what he would have to counter.This addresses the following, too, somewhat--I ran it like a monster fight. I fleshed out the character, including purchases, and then looked at the opponent, wrote tactics, and ran the fight with those tactics. Worse, and though I don't mean this as an attack on Salrantol, I have to admit I get the general feeling that he was designed to counter Kathren specifically - the feat selection and spell selection he had really pigeonholes him as a fortitude save-or-die caster dependant on Ghoul Touch, which would be a bad thing in the arena as a whole but which Kathren is fairly weak against at her present level, particularly with the Spectral Hand scrolls to let him overcome her speed advantage on Starlight.I had never looked at Kathren's character sheet before creating the opponent. I actually just modeled the character off of a wizard character I remembered seeing about a year ago.
Salrantol 06-18-07, 06:45 AM	Actually, just noticed something two potentially major things illegal on the NPC. It was made with 36 point buy, but should have been with 25 point buy. And it has PC wealth, but should've had NPC wealth (2,500 gp). Those are basic NPC creation rules here. Not sure if they'll effect the fight - the latter could really just mean his wand gets downgraded - but it should be looked into.Those are legitimate complaints, and I apologize. Of both of those rules, I was unaware--first attempt at an NPC--and I will fix them. The wealth will be a non-factor, but save DCs and touch attacks will be affected, so I'll look at the stats.
Salrantol 06-18-07, 07:05 AM	OK, I fixed the stats, which dropped his save DCs by 1 (not enough to affect any saves) and his HP by 6 (which killed Toadie faster), but he made his save on sleep so it didn't change the outcome.
Usurpator 06-18-07, 10:38 AM	I realize that everything in the fight is legal, but I've got to express some serious misgivings about it. This defeat really mainly came about because I had no foreknowledge of my opponent whatsoever to write tactics against, but he was allowed to write tactics against me with full knowledge of my abilities and what he would have to counter. What can I say. If a Pitlord is lenient with writing tactics, you might make it against an NPC caster. If the Pitlord is strict and writes tactics like he were a player, your odds will generally be low, even against 25pt buy. Kitaya would probably have won her last monster fight with full foreknowledge of the monster's his abilities (and by holding him to the 1/3rd rule). Without foreknowledge (and the opponent with foreknowledge) it becomes a whole different type of arena fight.
templer10 06-18-07, 11:07 AM	What can I say. If a Pitlord is lenient with writing tactics, you might make it against an NPC caster. If the Pitlord is strict and writes tactics like he were a player, your odds will generally be low, even against 25pt buy. Kitaya would probably have won her last monster fight with full foreknowledge of the monster's his abilities (and by holding him to the 1/3rd rule). Without foreknowledge (and the opponent with foreknowledge) it becomes a whole different type of arena fight. i really hope the monster fights get reworked and SOON otherwise ill act EXACLY the same as other pitlords did when I pitlord monster fights - i.e. they have to fight ME and i super optimize by defult.
hogarth 06-18-07, 11:18 AM	i really hope the monster fights get reworked and SOON otherwise ill act EXACLY the same as other pitlords did when I pitlord monster fights - i.e. they have to fight ME and i super optimize by defult. How is that any different than what Telin already does? Copycat! :P
TelinArtho 06-18-07, 11:39 AM	Funny hogarth... Though - if I am a super optimizer, why am I sitting at or below a 50% win rate overall with my characters...?
Zevox 06-18-07, 11:43 AM	This addresses the following, too, somewhat--I ran it like a monster fight. I fleshed out the character, including purchases, and then looked at the opponent, wrote tactics, and ran the fight with those tactics. Aye, I figured. The issue is though that in monster fights at least you have the chance to guess your foe and look up its statistics in the MM/SRD, thereby giving you a shot at planning for its tricks. With this interception, I had no such chance - essentially, I had to make assumptions about what to expect from a typical wizard, then write tactics against the entire first and second level wizard spell lists. That widens the tactical gap significantly. For instance, I assumed that my foe would have a decent or possibly even high will save because he was a wizard, but as it turns out because you didn't put any points in wisdom he had a measely +2. With just that knowledge, I'd have shifted my tactics to Color Spray rather than Sleep, and this would have been a whole different fight. I had never looked at Kathren's character sheet before creating the opponent. I actually just modeled the character off of a wizard character I remembered seeing about a year ago. I figured that as well, but it still doesn't change the fact that it feels like he was made to take advantage of Kathren's weaknesses. I don't know, maybe its just the disappointment at failing TAO and being stuck in the ECL 3 league for another week when I thought this would be a good way to both help the Guild and get Kathren to finally level up talking. Zevox
TelinArtho 06-18-07, 12:00 PM	Archdevil Asran (Zevox) vs Raskos, the Jade Father (SauroGrenom) is up. This fight could have gone many different directions - and that is for sure...
Zevox 06-18-07, 12:17 PM	Archdevil Asran (Zevox) vs Raskos, the Jade Father (SauroGrenom) is up. This fight could have gone many different directions - and that is for sure... *whistles* Wasn't quite expecting a blitz like that. Good thing the rolls went my way. I do have two errors to point out (not fight-affecting) and one question, though. The first error is that the concentration check to manifest while grappled is DC 20 + power level, not DC 20 period, as your notes indicate. The second is that Asran's full attack on Yaurl should have had 3 axe attacks - two for his +6 bab, and another for the haste Senorda cast. The question is - what are the percent notations you have in there whenever Asran's crew strikes? I noticed you have separate rolls for the chance to hit the tentacles instead of Raskos, so they're not that, and I don't think theres any concealment in that fight, so what are they? Edit: Oh, you forgot the MM charge Senorda used vs Yaurl in the wrap-up. In any event, thanks for running this. Time to go level up Asran - finally, his first Blackguard level :devil: . Zevox
templer10 06-18-07, 12:18 PM	How is that any different than what Telin already does? Copycat! :P care to check my win/loss ratio? - if you dont count monster fights - i think i lose maybe 4 times out of 40 or so fights. (2 with elrapido, 1 harbinger, 1 lorian) - all trhe rest are monsters.
TelinArtho 06-18-07, 12:27 PM	*whistles* Wasn't quite expecting a blitz like that. Good thing the rolls went my way. I do have two errors to point out (not fight-affecting) and one question, though. The first error is that the concentration check to manifest while grappled is DC 20 + power level, not DC 20 period, as your notes indicate. The second is that Asran's full attack on Yaurl should have had 3 axe attacks - two for his +6 bab, and another for the haste Senorda cast. The question is - what are the percent notations you have in there whenever Asran's crew strikes? I noticed you have separate rolls for the chance to hit the tentacles instead of Raskos, so they're not that, and I don't think theres any concealment in that fight, so what are they? Edit: Oh, you forgot the MM charge Senorda used vs Yaurl in the wrap-up. In any event, thanks for running this. Time to go level up Asran - finally, his first Blackguard level :devil: . Zevox The concentration in the grapple in the Psionic skills SRD mentions DC20 (flat), but it certainly should be DC20+PL... hmm. I should check an errata on that. For Asran - I believe he does have 3 attacks at the with the axe once haste goes up. Round 2 (no haste) - 2 attacks with the axe; Round 3 (w/haste) - 3 attacks with the axe - and then Yaurl was down anyway. The concealment is from the webs. With 20ft of webs between them originally - they were concealed from each other completely. Once it was down to 15ft of webs (when the readied action round kicks off (round 5)), everyone is shooting at concealment (20% miss chance)... EDIT - CRAP. Its cover not concealment... That does change a few things - let me see what it does... I'll edit in the wand charge once I'm done checking this other error...
waywreth 06-18-07, 12:34 PM	Funny hogarth... Though - if I am a super optimizer, why am I sitting at or below a 50% win rate overall with my characters...? I suspect it's because you have the same curse I do... the dice only favor you when you're DMing. But a more serious answer - I've noticed the higher the league, the more dependent on allies the characters are. Additionally, most of your characters tend to be more intricate creations - a "what could I do with this prestige class" rather than based solely on trying to win. And please don't take that as a negative in any way - I find your characters quite interesting, even playable in a tabletop environment.
TelinArtho 06-18-07, 12:37 PM	Okay - fight has been edited to fix the concealment vs cover issue on web. It made Arynat hit 2 times - so the fight almost ended earlier...
MindWandererB 06-18-07, 12:44 PM	The concentration in the grapple in the Psionic skills SRD mentions DC20 (flat), but it certainly should be DC20+PL... hmm. I should check an errata on that....I haven't checked the errata, but there probably isn't any, since it's redundant anyway:Concentration DC1 1 If you are trying to manifest, concentrate on, or direct a power when the distraction occurs, add the level of the power to the indicated DC
TelinArtho 06-18-07, 12:45 PM	Ah missed that part.
TelinArtho 06-18-07, 12:49 PM	I suspect it's because you have the same curse I do... the dice only favor you when you're DMing. But a more serious answer - I've noticed the higher the league, the more dependent on allies the characters are. Additionally, most of your characters tend to be more intricate creations - a "what could I do with this prestige class" rather than based solely on trying to win. And please don't take that as a negative in any way - I find your characters quite interesting, even playable in a tabletop environment. Actually the simple answer is that I'm not a super optimizer. I never have been and I don't care to ever be one. Your last statement is perhaps the reason why. I try to make all of my characters as ones I would enjoy playing in a tabletop environment or as running as an NPC in a tabletop environment (for instance Kraegin, Vallgar, Zax would all be "bad guys" in my campaigns since I have never run an evil campaign). Darrgon, Daeren, Sir Valkin are all remakes of characters I played at one time or another in a table top game as well.
Zevox 06-18-07, 01:09 PM	The concentration in the grapple in the Psionic skills SRD mentions DC20 (flat), but it certainly should be DC20+PL... hmm. I should check an errata on that. For Asran - I believe he does have 3 attacks at the with the axe once haste goes up. Round 2 (no haste) - 2 attacks with the axe; Round 3 (w/haste) - 3 attacks with the axe - and then Yaurl was down anyway. The concealment is from the webs. With 20ft of webs between them originally - they were concealed from each other completely. Once it was down to 15ft of webs (when the readied action round kicks off (round 5)), everyone is shooting at concealment (20% miss chance)... EDIT - CRAP. Its cover not concealment... That does change a few things - let me see what it does... I'll edit in the wand charge once I'm done checking this other error... For the concentration checks, MWB got it already. For the axes, it was my error. I just realized, looking over it again, I misinterpretted you mentioning he had 2 hits with his axe in round 3 as being that he had only 2 attacks with it. For the concealment, shouldn't those webs just burn away from Asran's axe and Arynat's fire flask? And if not, wouldn't it have just been prudent to move so they weren't in the way or finish them with the axe? Zevox
TelinArtho 06-18-07, 01:20 PM	Well on the last matter - that's something that's never really been resolved - do the webs continue to burn on their own or do they need one move/standard action to burn away each 5ft square? I generally run it as one attack action (so with a +6 BAB, you get 2/round (a third with haste) and it doesn't spread from there. As to what is prudent about it - it seemed more important to continue to attack Raskos than to spend several rounds burning away the intervening webs.
MindWandererB 06-18-07, 02:18 PM	I've posted the setup and the first 13 rounds of Mohmat vs. Liara here. As you can tell, it's a loooong, slow fight. So much so that I don't think I have the ability to finish it. Not complex or anything, aside from all the refocusing and ride checks every round. It's mainly that neither of them have decent attack bonuses, but both have good ACs and a lot of HP due to Vigor. Combining those factors, and each round takes me several minutes to figure out, even speed-rolling. If someone can please pick this one up, go right ahead.
MitzaVolchenko 06-18-07, 02:24 PM	Juggernaut vs. Esme is here. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12758135&postcount=973)
MitzaVolchenko 06-18-07, 02:25 PM	I've posted the setup and the first 13 rounds of Mohmat vs. Liara here. As you can tell, it's a loooong, slow fight. So much so that I don't think I have the ability to finish it. Not complex or anything, aside from all the refocusing and ride checks every round. It's mainly that neither of them have decent attack bonuses, but both have good ACs and a lot of HP due to Vigor. Combining those factors, and each round takes me several minutes to figure out, even speed-rolling. If someone can please pick this one up, go right ahead. I would be tempted since I am in fight running mode, but your tags are broken. Edit: I broke down and opened it in IE...I hate IE :P
MitzaVolchenko 06-18-07, 02:29 PM	And you are right...what a mess of rolls...I'll see what I can do with it. Unless someone else steps up and volunteers before I am done familiarizing myself with the sheets and fight so far.
MindWandererB 06-18-07, 02:30 PM	I would be tempted since I am in fight running mode, but your tags are broken. Edit: I broke down and opened it in IE...I hate IE :P Yeah, I know. There was a broken tag in one of the sheets--and since it uses the default template, with a hundred font tags, it took me a while to hunt it down. I think it's okay now.
MitzaVolchenko 06-18-07, 02:33 PM	Hopefully the dice gods of critical hits will favor one or the other sooner rather than later...I'm good to go on it, but nothing but an absolutely glaring error will make me try to edit it when I am done.
MindWandererB 06-18-07, 02:38 PM	Then go, with my blessings. The way I figure it, anyone with the ability to keep themselves alive for forever and a day, but neglect to give themselves any way to actually win a fight, deserves a little less attention in their fights.
templer10 06-18-07, 02:38 PM	MWB/mitza please note liar's shield wand is CL2 (And marked as such) so i need less rebuffing and am due an attack somewhere there.
Zevox 06-18-07, 02:46 PM	Yeah, I know. There was a broken tag in one of the sheets--and since it uses the default template, with a hundred font tags, it took me a while to hunt it down. I think it's okay now. Speaking of which, any chance we can get that default template changed? I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting pretty sick of how ugly the sheets of those who use it usually end up, and of how many characters they waste on those damn font, size, and other tags. And of all the blank spaces that for some reason no one deletes when using it... Zevox
MitzaVolchenko 06-18-07, 02:47 PM	MWB/mitza please note liar's shield wand is CL2 (And marked as such) so i need less rebuffing and am due an attack somewhere there. Noted. I will see if it is practical to edit in an attack, otherwise, I'll refund the charge. This thing is a mess of rolls and both gladiators should be strung up by their toenails and tickled into submission with ostrich feathers before being fed to a behir. :D MWB, you have mad props from me on this one, though I think I am reading their tactics in a little different light. We'll see.
MitzaVolchenko 06-18-07, 02:48 PM	Speaking of which, any chance we can get that default template changed? I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting pretty sick of how ugly the sheets of those who use it usually end up, and of how many characters they waste on those damn font, size, and other tags. And of all the blank spaces that for some reason no one deletes when using it... Zevox Motion seconded. I sometimes feel bad that I don't use the default...then I remember that I hate it and we knocked off the ability to call a prison violation for not using it :)
templer10 06-18-07, 02:49 PM	Then go, with my blessings. The way I figure it, anyone with the ability to keep themselves alive for forever and a day, but neglect to give themselves any way to actually win a fight, deserves a little less attention in their fights. well there is a reason i usally only play casters - iam better at it - not sure iam keeping thi girl for more then the first 3fc - trying to work out a "trick" or 2 for a spell slinger since i just hate losing along the way to higher level spells.
MitzaVolchenko 06-18-07, 02:55 PM	@templer10 Round 11 corrections added. No effect. I am now reading tactics to figure out what to do with Mohmat sans horse.
SauroGrenom 06-18-07, 02:56 PM	Cannot argue with those dice rolls. A bit higher Concentration Check, and everything would have been totally different. Also if that Mind Thrust had been 50hp instead of 48, Asran could have died from massive damage. There are a couple strange things though. Infact as I think over it, they could be fight changing. In round 2 Yaurl performs what is definitely the most stupid possible maneuver to get into melee with Senorda. There is only one possible approach for Yaurl to get into melee with Senorda that will also allow her to escape in the following round, and this is the one he uses. Yaurl is a flying creature, so he could easily move from (20,11,2) to (23,3,2) and attack Senorda from higher ground and receive a nice cover bonus from the statue against melee attacks from Asran. More importantly, from above, he would easily be in range for a 5' step to attack Senorda again in round 3 w/o provoking an AoO. Also every bite attack by Yaurl should result in a free trip attempt (perhaps reducing her AC further for future bite attacks). Lastly Senorda's HP total doesn't go down in round 4 from Yaurl's bite. It should be 2 HP at that point. If the cover bonus to AC in round 2 and/or the lack of an AoO in round 3 both carry through, then Yaurl can survive to attack in 5 and potentially slay Senorda before she casts Black Tentacles in round 5.
TelinArtho 06-18-07, 03:09 PM	EDIT: Actually on the matter of "stupid movement" - you get what you get. The movement to that location prevented AoO from Asran when Yaurl was closing, did not give Senorda a cover bonus when Yaurl attacked. Yaurl could have taken a 5ft step directly over Asran to attack Senorda though - so that will be in there. I'll also add in the trip and check the Hp totals.
TelinArtho 06-18-07, 03:21 PM	Okay - edited it with the trip attempts. Also - you are correct that I didn't account for the HP lost to Senorda in round 4. Since she didn't suffer any more hits though - it doesn't really matter. That said - removing the AoO on Yaurl for his movement (cutting out the move action to move and replacing it with a 5ft step) didn't result in a change because I apparently didn't account for the damage he took from it in the first place. Note that even had I "fixed" the movement - Yaurl's attack still would have missed in round 2 and Asran's axe hit would have also still hit (the claw would have missed - but it didn't beat DR anyway).
SauroGrenom 06-18-07, 03:25 PM	As to the movement choice - you get what you get. I moved Yaurl to that location because it avoided an AoO from Asran that wasn't necessary and gave him the ability to attack.Whoa... The reasons you give for that movement choice are rather wimpy frankly. There was clearly three locations on the map that put Yaurl in melee with Senorda and w/o granting Asran an AoO (Your stated reason for choosing that movement). They are at: (23,2,1) Where you choose to place Yaurl, and that gives cover against Asran, but also allows the 5' step trap used by Asran that prevents Yaurl from following Senorda with a 5' step int he next round. (23,2,2) Which is a neutral position that doesn't grant cover, but does grant the ability to follow Senorda's retreat. (23,3,2) Which is the best position because it grants cover against melee from Asran and grants the ability to follow Senorda's retreat in any direction. You clearly made a sub optimal tactical movement choice. It's impossible to write tactics that detail the ideal tactical movement. That's all highly situational depending on the relative positions of everyone and the initiative order. You used a very savvy tactical movement trap using an obstacle with 5' steps and moving the initiative order to allow Senorda to get away and force Yaurl to take an extra AoO. That savvy tactical movement and initiative shifting isn't in Asran's tactics. I hope that if you are willing to be so savvy in using tactical movement obstacles and initiative order shifting for my foes, you should offer similarly intelligent tactical movement for Yaurl.
MindWandererB 06-18-07, 03:30 PM	Speaking of which, any chance we can get that default template changed? I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting pretty sick of how ugly the sheets of those who use it usually end up, and of how many characters they waste on those damn font, size, and other tags. And of all the blank spaces that for some reason no one deletes when using it... Zevox My main complaint is with all the font tags made necessary by the sblocks. I'd be happy enough with just those removed--and with the current version of Firefox, there's no issue with being unable to open them. (Speaking of which, Mitza: is your copy fully updated?) The deletion of all those double spaces would just be icing.
SauroGrenom 06-18-07, 03:31 PM	Okay - edited it with the trip attempts. Also - you are correct that I didn't account for the HP lost to Senorda in round 4. Since she didn't suffer any more hits though - it doesn't really matter. That said - removing the AoO on Yaurl for his movement (cutting out the move action to move and replacing it with a 5ft step) didn't result in a change because I apparently didn't account for the damage he took from it in the first place. Note that even had I "fixed" the movement - Yaurl's attack still would have missed in round 2 and Asran's axe hit would have also still hit (the claw would have missed - but it didn't beat DR anyway). Alright. I see the HP totals were wrong in a couple places going both ways. Net Zero.
TelinArtho 06-18-07, 03:39 PM	Whoa... The reasons you give for that movement choice are rather wimpy frankly. There was clearly three locations on the map that put Yaurl in melee with Senorda and w/o granting Asran an AoO (Your stated reason for choosing that movement). They are at: (23,2,1) Where you choose to place Yaurl, and that gives cover against Asran, but also allows the 5' step trap used by Asran that prevents Yaurl from following Senorda with a 5' step int he next round. (23,2,2) Which is a neutral position that doesn't grant cover, but does grant the ability to follow Senorda's retreat. (23,3,2) Which is the best position because it grants cover against melee from Asran and grants the ability to follow Senorda's retreat in any direction. You clearly made a sub optimal tactical movement choice. It's impossible to write tactics that detail the ideal tactical movement. That's all highly situational depending on the relative positions of everyone and the initiative order. You used a very savvy tactical movement trap using an obstacle with 5' steps and moving the initiative order to allow Senorda to get away and force Yaurl to take an extra AoO. That savvy tactical movement and initiative shifting isn't in Asran's tactics. I hope that if you are willing to be so savvy in using tactical movement obstacles and initiative order shifting for my foes, you should offer similarly intelligent tactical movement for Yaurl. First off - careful. (23,2,1) means 5ft off of the ground. Meaning - a medium size creature is one 5ft square up from the ground. (23,2,2) means 10ft off of the ground. Meaning - a medium size creature without reach cannot even tough something on the ground. That said - if Yaurl moves to the square just above the medium statue (as in 5ft off of the ground) - he does indeed get cover from Asran. He also suffers cover on Senorda. The position I moved Yaurl to gives Yaurl cover from Asran to start with and he only loses it when Asran takes a 5ft step to where Senorda was. I disagree that the position I gave you is any worse than the position you want (for instance, if Senorda doesn't step away and instead uses a touch range spell - then Asran cannot negate the cover with a 5ft step). Also since Senorda would have cover from Yaurl if Yaurl was in the position you wanted - she could have moved away without an AoO from Yaurl.
SauroGrenom 06-18-07, 03:41 PM	Speaking of which, any chance we can get that default template changed? I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting pretty sick of how ugly the sheets of those who use it usually end up, and of how many characters they waste on those damn font, size, and other tags. And of all the blank spaces that for some reason no one deletes when using it... ZevoxI wrote up my version of the default character sheet template and sent it to Niqil months ago. I removed some 5000 character by taking out all the size and font tags and putting in a "-Pitlords Trim-" line. Also I don't know why every heading must be both bold and underlined. I'd think either bold or underlined would be enough. He had his own reasons, but basically refused to make some of the suggested changes (removing size tags) while agreeing with others (removing font tags).
Zevox 06-18-07, 03:41 PM	My main complaint is with all the font tags made necessary by the sblocks. I'd be happy enough with just those removed--and with the current version of Firefox, there's no issue with being unable to open them. (Speaking of which, Mitza: is your copy fully updated?) The deletion of all those double spaces would just be icing. *Goes and looks at the default sheet again* You mean to tell me all those size 1 tags that serve no practical purpose don't bother you at all? They outnumber the font tags by a large margin. Zevox
Zevox 06-18-07, 03:44 PM	I wrote up my version of the default character sheet template and sent it to Niqil months ago. I removed some 5000 character by taking out all the size and font tags and putting in a "-Pitlords Trim-" line. Also I don't know why every heading must be both bold and underlined. I'd think one would be enough. He had his own reasons, but basically refused to make some of the suggested changes (removing size tags) while agreeing with others (removing font tags). Well, I can understand both bolding and underlining the headings - its a stylistic thing that makes it clear where they are, and besides, the headings aren't too numerous unless you have a bunch of allies. But I agree with you on the size tags and font tags - way overdone (especially the size ones) and totally pointless. Zevox
TelinArtho 06-18-07, 03:47 PM	Personally I've stopped lobbying to change the default sheet. I never use it because it doesn't suit my style of maintaining character sheets. I like that we have one - so there is a "minimum standard" to go with it, and while I would like to have a better standard (as in with fewer special tags), I have other, more pressing, issues to try to push forward (like the 3+ current topics in the Council thread).
MindWandererB 06-18-07, 04:03 PM	*Goes and looks at the default sheet again* You mean to tell me all those size 1 tags that serve no practical purpose don't bother you at all? They outnumber the font tags by a large margin. Zevox Huh... I thought those had been removed already. I keep my own "default" character sheet so I don't have to mess with the one on the boards. It has most of the font and size tags taken out already.
Zevox 06-18-07, 04:06 PM	Huh... I thought those had been removed already. I keep my own "default" character sheet so I don't have to mess with the one on the boards. It has most of the font and size tags taken out already. Oh, I do that myself too. Its actually the old default sheet, from before NiQil made his, with most of the placeholders removed so I don't need to delete them every time I make a character. Still, the new one gets used a lot, especially by new players, and it could use some revamping to get rid of those size and font tags and unnecessary blank spaces if you ask me. Zevox
Erithmu 06-18-07, 04:21 PM	Nothing to see here ......
TelinArtho 06-18-07, 04:27 PM	Owen nodded. "If we do go after the Naga we will need to hold it still. Could you use the same energy that you used on the Red Hand's wizard to disable him, Then he can't move and then place the energy walls around him, and then I'll cover the area in a cloud. Quick and efficient. It will be a little matter of if your power will be strong enough to hold him. I could use a few moments to prepare some spells that may allow us to adventure longer." Naga tactics: Tele Manuever + Stinking cloud + Energy Wall = win? Then again Istimas +16 vs 21 might be rough, Wish I had Ray of enfeeblement right now ... My EBT could probably hold him at a +20 grap check. Other thoughts cause that guy is going to be a beast. Other: Owen has a 3rd and a 4th slot open. I'm tempted to prep a D. Door just so that I can be a third point of escape. In the 3rd level slot I could do either another stinking cloud (my best method of crowd control vs psionic creatures (I'm not going to prep as many webs on the next rest.)) or a rope trick to allow us to rest underground. Heh - wrong thread mate...
Usurpator 06-18-07, 06:09 PM	Oh, I do that myself too. Its actually the old default sheet, from before NiQil made his, with most of the placeholders removed so I don't need to delete them every time I make a character. Still, the new one gets used a lot, especially by new players, and it could use some revamping to get rid of those size and font tags and unnecessary blank spaces if you ask me. Zevox I am still using modified versions of my own sheet, never was entirely happy with the default sheet. I'm fine with everyone having their own style and preferences, as long as they are easy to use. Besides, I do see the occasional copy of one of my own character sheets with newer players, so it can't be that bad. ;) How about presenting several different default sheets so that newer players can take their preferred pick among them?
Salrantol 06-18-07, 06:32 PM	@MitzaVolchenko: You ran Esme's fight right. I could have sworn I put "If he can reach me with a double move if I single move, then skip casting and double move or run away." in there, but it's not there...that's twice in as many weeks I've lost because I didn't have something in my tactics I thought I did.... Two things, though--Esme is female, says so right on the sheet; and you forgot her political career in the rewards.
NiQil 06-18-07, 09:02 PM	With regard to the default character sheet... I am wondering which sheet you guys are looking at. The one that is in the prison is the most recent sheet available. If that hasn't been updated to the Rules thread, it needs to be. The sblocks on that sheet don't have any font tags inside of them. That is why I ask....I'm not real sure where you are seeing that. When Sauro made some of the proposals he mentioned above, that was one of the things that was done was to remove all of the font tags. The size 1 tags are there at Cat's request. He wanted the grayed info as unobtrusive as possible. I personally like them, but have no problem removing them if that is what everyone wants. I will also once again state that there is not, nor will there be, a line on the sheet for pitlords to cut sheets. Sheets need to be posted in their entirety. Trimming a sheet should be a rare case, not an all-the-time occurance. @ MWB: I'll remove the size 1 tags from the sheet in the prison and then drop you a line...you can then copy it to the Rules Thread.
MitzaVolchenko 06-18-07, 09:36 PM	I will also once again state that there is not, nor will there be, a line on the sheet for pitlords to cut sheets. Sheets need to be posted in their entirety. Trimming a sheet should be a rare case, not an all-the-time occurance. @ MWB: I'll remove the size 1 tags from the sheet in the prison and then drop you a line...you can then copy it to the Rules Thread. I have frequently had to trim sheets...I generally take any fluff text, copy-pasted explanations of abilities, and finally fight record and of course I obliterate any smilies that are stealing image slots.
Macbrea 06-18-07, 09:40 PM	Funny.. on Kracknol vs Aeryll for posting just both characters: The text that you have entered is too long (58908 characters). Please shorten it to 50000 characters long.
NiQil 06-18-07, 09:46 PM	I have frequently had to trim sheets...I generally take any fluff text, copy-pasted explanations of abilities, and finally fight record and of course I obliterate any smilies that are stealing image slots. See, this type of trimming is perfectly fine. Things like that don't *have to be there (except the fight histories). Things listed in the Optional Information section can be trimmed when necessary (that's why it is optional). But there should not be mass trimming of any other section unless absolutely necessary. I have no problem with trimming the things you mentioned...but trimming things like fight histories or used expendables or wizard spellbooks or things like that is something that should not be happening. Those things need to be there.
hogarth 06-18-07, 09:48 PM	Sheets need to be posted in their entirety. Why? I'm not trying to be flippant; it just doesn't seem to be very harmful to cut out some miscellaneous RP background (for instance). EDIT: Oh, I see you answered MitzaVolchenko already.
NiQil 06-18-07, 09:49 PM	Why? I'm not trying to be flippant; it just doesn't seem to be very harmful to cut out some miscellaneous RP background (for instance). EDIT: Oh, I see you answered MitzaVolchenko already. See my previous post. Fluff text, the entire Optional section and extra explanations of abilities/feats can be trimmed as needed, as they don't have to be there. Edit: I see that you saw that I answered Mitza already. Edit 2: I see that you saw that I saw that you saw that I answered Mitza already.
Zevox 06-18-07, 09:55 PM	The Battlesong Duet vs Lord Lorian & Maya Redwine. Any chance someone can check the rewards on Lorian and Maya and help me figure out how the nine hells to calculate the Duet's rewards? I'm stumped... and tired... Zevox
Khaim 06-18-07, 11:22 PM	Inzin vs Esau (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12776060&postcount=985) is up. Please make sure I didn't mess anything up too horribly, although I think it was fairly one-sided.
Khaim 06-18-07, 11:32 PM	Personally, I like the size 1/gray stuff, but that's just me. This conversation belongs in the tavern though, no?
MindWandererB 06-18-07, 11:32 PM	The Battlesong Duet vs Lord Lorian & Maya Redwine. Any chance someone can check the rewards on Lorian and Maya and help me figure out how the nine hells to calculate the Duet's rewards? I'm stumped... and tired... Zevox Two small mistakes, one for us, one for them: r6: Entangling Ectoplasm should provoke, given that order of events. Could just step and then manifest, though. r7: Grease helps you resist a grapple, not just to escape one. So that's a failed check. Same thing on round 10. Since the net effect is in our favor, no need to edit for just this. Reward penalties (and bonuses) are averaged between the members of a team. They get ECL 6 rewards -3.125% for the horse. As for where I'm going with Maya: Ranger isn't the only way to qualify for Slayer, and I decided it wasn't worth the ML. Offensive Precog. makes up for the loss of BAB (the augmentation is precisely enough to, when fully augmented, give a PsiWar a fighter's attack bonus, and a psion a cleric's). Basically, standard Slayer fare.
Zevox 06-18-07, 11:41 PM	r6: Entangling Ectoplasm should provoke, given that order of events. Could just step and then manifest, though. Meh, so I typed things out of order. Had a tough time deciding what to do that round. r7: Grease helps you resist a grapple, not just to escape one. So that's a failed check. Same thing on round 10. Incredibly odd - nowhere else do I see any indication that Escape Artist is used to resist grapple attempts, just to escape a grapple you're already in. As for where I'm going with Maya: Ranger isn't the only way to qualify for Slayer, and I decided it wasn't worth the ML. Offensive Precog. makes up for the loss of BAB (the augmentation is precisely enough to, when fully augmented, give a PsiWar a fighter's attack bonus, and a psion a cleric's). Basically, standard Slayer fare. So, you're going to spend your ECL 9 feat on Track? Huh - well, suit yourself I suppose. Not a method I'd take personally, but we'll see if it works out. Though it does give her another parallel to Mithos, since Slayer is basically the Psionic equivalent of Eldritch Knight, which is interesting. Edit: Rewards for the Duet are posted. Zevox
MindWandererB 06-18-07, 11:50 PM	Incredibly odd - nowhere else do I see any indication that Escape Artist is used to resist grapple attempts, just to escape a grapple you're already in.You're quite correct, but you skipped a step: A creature wearing greased armor or clothing gains a +10 circumstance bonus on Escape Artist checks and on grapple checks made to resist or escape a grapple or to escape a pin.Edit: you missed the entangling ectoplasm stone in the summary.
Zevox 06-18-07, 11:55 PM	You're quite correct, but you skipped a step: Which is precisely what I meant is odd. Does that spell/power suddenly give you the ability to resist grapple checks with escape artist ones when you normally couldn't? It doesn't mention such. Does this mean that either that text is in error and you can never do that, or that there should be an errata allowing it normally? A bit of a problem this raises if you ask me. Edit: you missed the entangling ectoplasm stone in the summary. Fixed. Zevox
MindWandererB 06-19-07, 12:01 AM	Which is precisely what I meant is odd. Does that spell/power suddenly give you the ability to resist grapple checks with escape artist ones when you normally couldn't? It doesn't mention such. Does this mean that either that text is in error and you can never do that, or that there should be an errata allowing it normally? A bit of a problem this raises if you ask me.I don't understand the dilemma. Reread that clause more carefully. It doesn't say "Escape Artist checks made to resist or escape a grapple," it says "grapple checks made to resist or escape a grapple." Oh, and regarding Maya: I figure the level of PsiWar got me an extra feat, so I can spend an extra one elsewhere. Loss of one BAB, but a better (IMO) selection of power stone use.
Zevox 06-19-07, 12:21 AM	I don't understand the dilemma. Reread that clause more carefully. It doesn't say "Escape Artist checks made to resist or escape a grapple," it says "grapple checks made to resist or escape a grapple." Oh-ho, good point! I didn't see that. Zevox
templer10 06-19-07, 01:28 AM	The Battlesong Duet vs Lord Lorian & Maya Redwine. Any chance someone can check the rewards on Lorian and Maya and help me figure out how the nine hells to calculate the Duet's rewards? I'm stumped... and tired... Zevox thanks for the run- rewards for lorian are off - he has 25% penalty from super speedy, +23% from political career and + 3.125 (i think) from tessero's horse so it should be +1.125% rewards.
Zevox 06-19-07, 01:32 AM	thanks for the run- rewards for lorian are off - he has 25% penalty from super speedy, +23% from political career and + 3.125 (i think) from tessero's horse so it should be +1.125% rewards. Um, Super Speedy is only a CR 2 animal. For an ECL 6 characters, thats only half of your CA, which means 12.5% penalty. I did miss the political career though, which means you actually get +13.625%. Will edit accordingly. Zevox
templer10 06-19-07, 01:44 AM	Um, Super Speedy is only a CR 2 animal. For an ECL 6 characters, thats only half of your CA, which means 12.5% penalty. I did miss the political career though, which means you actually get +13.625%. Will edit accordingly. Zevox thanks - dont you just hate it when your a 100 XP or so short of leveling... whell at least ECL 7 in 2 weeks with full load of expendbles and shopping done.
Malither76 06-19-07, 03:40 AM	Corruptor vs Torel is up here
Rauul 06-19-07, 04:25 AM	Corruptor vs Torel is up here please do the 50ft miss chance on the call lightning, since as invisible there is noway to target corrupter.. so he is targetting the square with a 5ft bolt of lightning.. and the +2 granted with invisbility to the to hit with touch attacks.. (flatfooted touch ac.. hmm bacicly... a 10 hits.. no dex bonus to touch ac) Sorry for being a pest.. but it's only to be fair
templer10 06-19-07, 04:40 AM	please do the 50ft miss chance on the call lightning, since as invisible there is noway to target corrupter.. so he is targetting the square with a 5ft bolt of lightning.. and the +2 granted with invisbility to the to hit with touch attacks.. (flatfooted touch ac.. hmm bacicly... a 10 hits.. no dex bonus to touch ac) Sorry for being a pest.. but it's only to be fair did you move from last known location? since call lightening doesnt have to target you - it's AoE - - it target the whole squere.
McJarvis 06-19-07, 07:03 AM	Due to having internet problems sunday/monday, my fights will be late this week.
templer10 06-19-07, 07:27 AM	Due to having internet problems sunday/monday, my fights will be late this week. late as in later today or late as in extented? p.s. if it were possible for elricks fight to be done some time today it would be appriciated since i have limited time tommarow to go over it and post fight edit. (since if he win's he levels up).
McJarvis 06-19-07, 08:08 AM	late as in later today or late as in extented? p.s. if it were possible for elricks fight to be done some time today it would be appriciated since i have limited time tommarow to go over it and post fight edit. (since if he win's he levels up). I should be able to get them done tonight, assuming I don't have to work *too* late. It's kind of hectic at the office right now.
Erithmu 06-19-07, 09:05 AM	please do the 50ft miss chance on the call lightning, since as invisible there is noway to target corrupter.. so he is targetting the square with a 5ft bolt of lightning.. and the +2 granted with invisbility to the to hit with touch attacks.. (flatfooted touch ac.. hmm bacicly... a 10 hits.. no dex bonus to touch ac) Sorry for being a pest.. but it's only to be fair I think what is happening (since the location coordinates are off) is that Corruptor is within the Bat's blindsense so the Ray is against the dex boosted Touch AC and still misses. @Malither76: Rewards are also wrong: Corruptor brought allies so +/-8.333% on either side. @Rauul: You need to list when you use pearls of power in your 3FC in the prebuff section. One of the reasons I thought you had a chance was that I thought you still had 3 pearls of power to unload Magic Missiles into.
Zevox 06-19-07, 11:21 AM	please do the 50ft miss chance on the call lightning, since as invisible there is noway to target corrupter.. so he is targetting the square with a 5ft bolt of lightning.. and the +2 granted with invisbility to the to hit with touch attacks.. (flatfooted touch ac.. hmm bacicly... a 10 hits.. no dex bonus to touch ac) Sorry for being a pest.. but it's only to be fair Theres no 50% miss chance for Call Lightning, ever. Its an area-of-effect spell - you either choose the correct space to cast it at or you don't. Zevox
MindWandererB 06-19-07, 12:30 PM	Theres no 50% miss chance for Call Lightning, ever. Its an area-of-effect spell - you either choose the correct space to cast it at or you don't. Zevox The only issue might be if, for some reason, you have a 50% chance of guessing the right square. Which is unlikely; usually, you'll have at best 25% chance of guessing right, if you have to guess. Or there's incorporeality. But those aren't the case here.
McJarvis 06-19-07, 01:35 PM	The DMV was backed up this morning, so I'm going _after_ work. This affects my gladiators b/c it means I likely won't get home until 8pm(est). I highly doubt that big free-for-all(or was it a team fight?) will get done this week. The monster fight at ECL3 probably will, though.
templer10 06-19-07, 01:41 PM	The DMV was backed up this morning, so I'm going _after_ work. This affects my gladiators b/c it means I likely won't get home until 8pm(est). I highly doubt that big free-for-all(or was it a team fight?) will get done this week. The monster fight at ECL3 probably will, though. Any chance someone will else pick it up then? - and btw- i hate saying this but it really shouldn't take that long to run since unless the guys against elrick came up with something truly brilliant they have almost no chance to win (flying druid 2 levels up + allies + unlimited healing + a hell of a lot of firepower Vs at best half casters with no healing - you get the picture).
TelinArtho 06-19-07, 01:41 PM	Might I suggest posting the sheets and tactics so that someone else might be able to pick it up then?
Macbrea 06-19-07, 01:46 PM	We got alittle creative. So.. that fight might be a bit of work.
templer10 06-19-07, 01:51 PM	We got alittle creative. So.. that fight might be a bit of work. i figured the only realistic way for me to lose is by grapple - but the life of me i cant figure out how you are going to get me to that- btw- i wonder if any of you remmbred that tripping a a flyer isnt the same as tripping on the ground... but hell- if you came up with something brilliant - good for you. :)
McJarvis 06-19-07, 01:53 PM	I'll go to work posting the tactics now.
Macbrea 06-19-07, 01:57 PM	Most of your spellcraft checks vs someone underwater with your fire spells are: a Spellcraft check (DC 20 + spell level) Your spellcraft +1 is a penalty for most of your spells.
McJarvis 06-19-07, 01:59 PM	Tactics posted, though I would love to Pitlord this fight. I just can't get it in before pairings tomorrow[and I doubt anyone else can either] If anyone _can_ do it tonight, feel free.
Zevox 06-19-07, 01:59 PM	btw- i wonder if any of you remmbred that tripping a a flyer isnt the same as tripping on the ground... You're right - its actually easier to trip a flying creature than one on the ground, since quadrupeds lose their +4 bonus to resist tripping when not on the ground. Unless you're flying magically, you're quite vulnerable to tripping while flying, unless you avoid it happening outright. Zevox
templer10 06-19-07, 02:02 PM	You're right - its actually easier to trip a flying creature than one on the ground, since quadrupeds lose their +4 bonus to resist tripping when not on the ground. Unless you're flying magically, you're quite vulnerable to tripping while flying, unless you avoid it happening outright. Zevox actually no since you get dex + bonus based on manuverability (+8 for good) it's in ROTG all about flying (4 or 5) or some such.
Zevox 06-19-07, 02:05 PM	actually no since you get dex + bonus based on manuverability (+8 for good) it's in ROTG all about flying (4 or 5) or some such. Getting a dex bonus to resist is quite true, in place of strength if your dex is larger. The other thing you mentioned though is non-core, and quite frankly I'd ignore it if I were running a fight and someone brought it up. Giving bonuses to resist tripping for maneuverability, especially one so large? Come on, thats just idiotic. Which is about par for the course coming from Skip I suppose. Zevox
Rauul 06-19-07, 02:06 PM	I think what is happening (since the location coordinates are off) is that Corruptor is within the Bat's blindsense so the Ray is against the dex boosted Touch AC and still misses. @Malither76: Rewards are also wrong: Corruptor brought allies so +/-8.333% on either side. @Rauul: You need to list when you use pearls of power in your 3FC in the prebuff section. One of the reasons I thought you had a chance was that I thought you still had 3 pearls of power to unload Magic Missiles into. i agree without maps it's near impossable to tell where the charaters are.. honestly with you at a 10ft elevation the dogs are med size and should get a an attack.. But again with out map coordinates I can't argue either way.. (and this is why maps should still give credit or take away credits IMHO) But either way he didn't have much of a chance... and if the pitlord didn't move an invisible caster who knew he has been pinpointed once... the pitlord shouldn't be running fights with charaters with a 20+ int.. thats just common sense..
templer10 06-19-07, 02:08 PM	Macbrea- what the deal with the water? i might not be able to use it against someone diving IN the water - but just standing in it doesnt help you since some of you is out of the water. btw- how exacly are you planning on shooting C-bow from the bottom? if you are in teh bottom i cant see you and you cant see me no? anyway - iam good with augmented hipgryph + augmanted giant eagle + lion VS 2 of you with possibly no ranged weapons (warp wood rocks).
templer10 06-19-07, 02:09 PM	Getting a dex bonus to resist is quite true, in place of strength if your dex is larger. The other thing you mentioned though is non-core, and quite frankly I'd ignore it if I were running a fight and someone brought it up. Giving bonuses to resist tripping for maneuverability, especially one so large? Come on, thats just idiotic. Which is about par for the course coming from Skip I suppose. Zevox i was under impression ROTG is the law of the land unless spesificly overrulled in the court...
TelinArtho 06-19-07, 02:10 PM	Getting a dex bonus to resist is quite true, in place of strength if your dex is larger. The other thing you mentioned though is non-core, and quite frankly I'd ignore it if I were running a fight and someone brought it up. Giving bonuses to resist tripping for maneuverability, especially one so large? Come on, thats just idiotic. Which is about par for the course coming from Skip I suppose. Zevox Actually this was discussed the last time Bulgar met up against Elrick. While it was a blindside to me before - I think it is reasonable. Something that is a clumsy flyer should be easier to stall (a flying trip) than a Good flyer. Since it is in the RotG articles - it does fall under the purview of what we use and I see no reason to not use it - barring an elder vote.
templer10 06-19-07, 02:11 PM	Most of your spellcraft checks vs someone underwater with your fire spells are: a Spellcraft check (DC 20 + spell level) Your spellcraft +1 is a penalty for most of your spells. You dont need spellcraft to notice your call lightening didnt do any damage you know - you shoot a giant bolt of lightening, it hits, the guy is completly unhurt - DUH - something is wrong (that's how i pitlord it and how everyone i see here pitlord it).
Zevox 06-19-07, 02:15 PM	i was under impression ROTG is the law of the land unless spesificly overrulled in the court... Found what you were talking about - All About Movement, Part 5 (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040706a). Yeah, thats just plain dumb. Regretfully, we do use the RotG quite often around here, though there hasn't ever been a specific rule about how/when to apply them that I can recall. Some pitlords choose to ignore him, especially when he contradicts core rules (which he does quite often). ...you know, I'm going to head over to the Court and see if I can't get an agreement to just stop using the RotG articles unless they're helpful in making a difficult-to-rule decision. I do like one of his decisions - letting weapons work on a dive - but to get rid of the rest of his idiocy I'd gladly give that up. Zevox
Macbrea 06-19-07, 02:17 PM	Attacks from in water are hindered by -2 per 5ft of water it has to pass through, Water doesn't block line of sight. Attacks from outside of water with ranged attacks are against targets with full cover. Also, all fire spells cannot break the air/water boarder. I do have a question on warp wood though, Saves for magic items are based off the saves of the wielder. Does Spell resistance apply to the items of a person carrying them?
Zevox 06-19-07, 02:19 PM	I do have a question on warp wood though, Saves for magic items are based off the saves of the wielder. Does Spell resistance apply to the items of a person carrying them? Yes. Zevox
templer10 06-19-07, 02:20 PM	Attacks from in water are hindered by -2 per 5ft of water it has to pass through, Water doesn't block line of sight. Attacks from outside of water with ranged attacks are against targets with full cover. Also, all fire spells cannot break the air/water boarder. I do have a question on warp wood though, Saves for magic items are based off the saves of the wielder. Does Spell resistance apply to the items of a person carrying them? err- you do realize my wand is SONIC right? and ill edit my previos statment- regular produce flame doesnt work in ater since it's fire based - SONIC produce flame should work in water just fine.
TelinArtho 06-19-07, 02:22 PM	err- you do realize my wand is SONIC right? and ill edit my previos statment- regular produce flame doesnt work in ater since it's fire based - SONIC produce flame should work in water just fine. If it was just a fire-based spell, you would be correct. However, it includes a very specific clause at the end of the spell's description: This spell does not function underwater.
Macbrea 06-19-07, 02:23 PM	Except produce flame requires you throw it at a target. Unless you plan on coming into the water then people in water have full cover vs people out of water vs ranged attacks. And your right, you have about 80% chance of winning the fight. But it isn't a guarrenteed fight.
templer10 06-19-07, 02:27 PM	well should be intresting fight anyway- hope it get run this week - HINT HINT.
templer10 06-19-07, 02:29 PM	And your right, you have about 80% chance of winning the fight. But it isn't a guarrenteed fight. never said it was a gurnteed fight- the dice gods can always go on a strike against me - and - Yea the water thing does increase your chances.
templer10 06-19-07, 02:32 PM	Attacks from in water are hindered by -2 per 5ft of water it has to pass through, Water doesn't block line of sight. btw- you brought enough bolts lol? your in batch rolling for 20's area with water adding to elricks AC.
TelinArtho 06-19-07, 02:34 PM	btw- you brought enough bolts lol? your in batch rolling for 20's area with water adding to elricks AC. 18 Clips of Small Bolts Repeating crossbow - 5 bolts per clip... 90 bolts total...
Macbrea 06-19-07, 02:35 PM	Well, since, I was sure that your animals would have to die before you could even be approached. They probably won't require 20s. Then it comes down to you delaying vs us delaying. Since, we cannot come to you. You are going to have to come to us. :P
Macbrea 06-19-07, 02:39 PM	heh.. yeah.. probably not enough clips.. gonna have to buy 20 more for next cycle.
McJarvis 06-19-07, 02:40 PM	You are going to have to come to us. :P I have not looked at the fight in any detail, but I can tell you now that in a delay vs delay situation I'm going to hijack both players tactics... ~McJ~
Macbrea 06-19-07, 02:48 PM	Well. not exactly sure what 2 ground pounders can do vs a spell caster flying about. We can fire bolts at him for 90 rounds. He could in theory take bolts for 90 rounds healing as he goes then force us to climb trees and jump at him?
McJarvis 06-19-07, 02:53 PM	Well. not exactly sure what 2 ground pounders can do vs a spell caster flying about. We can fire bolts at him for 90 rounds. He could in theory take bolts for 90 rounds healing as he goes then force us to climb trees and jump at him? I think you missed the part where I said *both* sides get tactics hijacked :P
TelinArtho 06-19-07, 02:54 PM	I don't think there's much risk of delay in that fight anyway unless it takes too long for Elrick to really get moving (which since his clause is to only fly through unrestricted places and there are no unrestricted places until you get to the central area... that's pretty difficult...). Anyway - enough smack talk. Who's going to pick up the fight?
templer10 06-19-07, 02:54 PM	I think you missed the part where I said *both* sides get tactics hijacked :P i dont even get into dealy penalty until my summons are done eating and that's 14 rounds of nasty...
Macbrea 06-19-07, 02:57 PM	Heh.. I cannot!
MitzaVolchenko 06-19-07, 03:06 PM	Mohmat vs Liara is here. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12772380&postcount=981) I have spotted some non-affecting goofs...if anyone spots something that actually affects the fight, PM it to me, and I will try to get to it.
MindWandererB 06-19-07, 04:03 PM	Mohmat vs Liara is here. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12772380&postcount=981) I have spotted some non-affecting goofs...if anyone spots something that actually affects the fight, PM it to me, and I will try to get to it. That was... creative. If I were either player, I'd be pretty teed off about improvization on that level, especially the fact that Mohmat didn't use up all her PP and actions on Wild Surged Vigors. It's up to Eluria whether to press that point, though.
templer10 06-19-07, 04:09 PM	That was... creative. If I were either player, I'd be pretty teed off about improvization on that level, especially the fact that Mohmat didn't use up all her PP and actions on Wild Surged Vigors. It's up to Eluria whether to press that point, though. If eluria wont argue i wont - a contest between mohmat's vigor and my CLW could have take a looooooong time.
MindWandererB 06-19-07, 04:45 PM	@Macbrea: I just saw that Kracknol vs. Aerryl is up. There's a problem: You have Kracknol charging through a pillar. Given my insistence on keep-away tactics, it's possible (if somewhat unlikely) that Aerryl's death will not occur until after she can take down Raknital.
Macbrea 06-19-07, 04:55 PM	Actually, I have him charging too close. I need to readjust for huge size and see if he could charge.
Macbrea 06-19-07, 05:01 PM	Your correct. Will be running it more tonight.
SauroGrenom 06-19-07, 05:07 PM	Your correct. Will be running it more tonight. Meh. I just edited my sheet to reflect the win. Drat.
MindWandererB 06-19-07, 05:14 PM	Meh. I just edited my sheet to reflect the win. Drat. You'll probably still win--you only need to get off one attack, and it'll take me several rounds of attacking to take Raknital out.
Macbrea 06-19-07, 05:15 PM	Sorry.. I thought I had missed the pillar. But realized when i was staring at it that Ratika is huge.. not large.
SauroGrenom 06-19-07, 05:36 PM	Sorry.. I thought I had missed the pillar. But realized when i was staring at it that Ratika is huge.. not large. NP. The griffon has a huge movement speed compared to the bat anyway. there's no chance for him to evade melee for too long. Even if a charge isn't possible, all it takes is a single attack with that snatch attack. Although, there is the chance that Raknital's reach could come into play as a way to charge and still attack around a pillar.
MindWandererB 06-19-07, 06:17 PM	Although, there is the chance that Raknital's reach could come into play as a way to charge and still attack around a pillar.Wouldn't work--when you charge, it has to be directly towards your target. Ride-By Attack is the only exception.
Macbrea 06-19-07, 06:21 PM	Well. problem is cannot ride away from a creature and buff. Cannot outrun a creature with twice your movement or get hit. Must move at least 20ft or fall 40ft to ground below. Cannot ride for cover and cast spells as per the ride skill description. I completed the run again. But, I need you to figure out if my choice was the right one. I understand we already knew what the attack was going to be if it went off. There isn't anything I can do to escape a creature that moves twice it's movement.
Eluria 06-19-07, 07:08 PM	If eluria wont argue i wont - a contest between mohmat's vigor and my CLW could have take a looooooong time. I am certainly not going to contest the fight; I appreciate the incredible amount of work that goes into running them, especially with improvisation. I don't agree with all the improvisation, but it's all believable and well-reasoned out. With regards to using all powerpoints, I think Mohmat may have, since I'm not sure the right number were removed for buffing both the first vigor and force screen. The one thing I do take issue with is snarky comments like: The way I figure it, anyone with the ability to keep themselves alive for forever and a day, but neglect to give themselves any way to actually win a fight, deserves a little less attention in their fights. Many builds here, if not most, focus on applying layers and layers of defensive buffs, and having a way to do damage. Liara obviously has the capability to dish out massive damage, and I'd argue Mohmat does too. 3pp crystal shard + 2 WS + 2 psionic shot is nothing to laugh at for most ECL4 gladiators, and even if that's not possible, longbow + psionic shot every round is not embarassing damage either. Mohmat is going to gain +1 BAB every level from here on; I'd love to hear your opinions and advice for how to improve things, but my main goal here is to have fun. Snide comments, especially from you, who have, in the past, been very supportive and welcoming from new players, are a little ... off-putting.
MitzaVolchenko 06-19-07, 07:15 PM	@Eluria and templer10 Thanks! I do sympathize with MWB's sentiment, however it is along the same issue as we hit with hide and seekers. Personal preferences are the bottom line on that one. I have no issue with roll for 20's folks, but I do have issue with roll for 20's when one also has to play the regain focus game...lot of rolls, lot of tracking.
MindWandererB 06-19-07, 07:23 PM	@Eluria: Sorry about that. My home life is a little chaotic right now, so I'm a tad cranky. I'm sorry for taking it out on you. The problem with Mohmat, as I learned with Sunstroke, and is the same problem with Izumi and a few others, is that a fat amount of damage doesn't mean anything if you can't dish it out consistently. If you save your PP for Vigor, you're not using it to deal damage, so unless you have a way to boost your attack bonus somehow, the bow isn't going to be that effective. Vigor may be a darn efficient power, especially with wild surge, but when it's just about the only power you use, it leads to long and frustrating fights.
templer10 06-20-07, 04:59 AM	so... anyone going to pickup Elrcik VS the ECL 5 water squad?
McJarvis 06-20-07, 07:21 AM	looks like I couldn't get to _either_ of my fights. Sigh.
Macbrea 06-20-07, 08:27 AM	It happens. It will get paired next week.
waywreth 06-20-07, 09:26 AM	Also looks like Malither76 didn't get a chance to run Atemu (Korone) vs. Vantis Dar'ath (waywreth). Oh well.
McJarvis 06-20-07, 09:32 AM	It happens. It will get paired next week. I PM'd pitlords to remove me from the roster & stated that I'll run the fights this week. Hopefully I'll get one out the box on Wednesday, and I actually have only half a day of work on friday, so that should be no problem.
SauroGrenom 06-20-07, 09:48 AM	Macbrea, Did the Kracknol vs Aerryl fight get finished? Has MWB signed off on it?
Macbrea 06-20-07, 09:56 AM	I posted the edit. I talked to MWB on IM for a few minutes. But, I haven't seen if he has looked over the fight. As far as I could tell there was nothing I could do to prevent the attack from occuring based off his tactics. It was going to either happen as a result of an AoO or immediately next turn on your action. His tactics suggested I run away. But only had half the movement. They also suggested I cast certian buffs and blast at you. Both of those would result in the same effect. Final cost was 1 more pp because you couldn't attack and therefor buffed on the way as per your tactics.
Malither76 06-20-07, 10:45 AM	Guys sorry I got hit with a ton of unexpected work as monday tuesday are usually my free days when I run fights. Atemu vs Vantis is up here hope you have time to edit, Trying to finish other fight now
waywreth 06-20-07, 10:50 AM	Guys sorry I got hit with a ton of unexpected work as monday tuesday are usually my free days when I run fights. Atemu vs Vantis is up here hope you have time to edit, Trying to finish other fight now Why do dice hate my wizard builds so much? Thank you for the run.
Korone 06-20-07, 11:15 AM	Wow, passed sleep twice with a will save of +1 ? Hilarious. Waywreth, I hope the dice will like you more next time. Thanks for the fight Malither76
waywreth 06-20-07, 11:19 AM	Wow, passed sleep twice with a will save of +1 ? Hilarious. Waywreth, I hope the dice will like you more next time. Thanks for the fight Malither76 A spell focus/greater spell focused sleep no less! I don't know what it is... my wizards can't catch a break. I think Vantis will take this week off. :mad:
TelinArtho 06-20-07, 11:22 AM	@Malither - Darrgon's summons are augmented. This means the fire beetles' attacks should be +3 to hit, 2d4+3 damage. In the roller - the attack bonus is correct, but the damage doesn't reflect the +3 to each hit. EDIT - Also - they should be summoned in a flanking position on Yakov to improve everyone's chances to hit. Edit Again - looks like you did get the flanking but missed that they are augmented.
Malither76 06-20-07, 11:56 AM	Darrgon vs Yakov is here again sorry for being so late
Malither76 06-20-07, 12:00 PM	Tellin your right missed the augment completely, you won and no extra resourses were used if its cool with you guys I will leave it as is, looks more dramatic that way with him knocking you to 0 with the last swing. but yeah with that you would have won a few round earlier I believe. OK MWB things are clearing up for me know, I'm going to edit my guys, probably grab a nap, but we will get caught up and have some good RP when you meet your priestess.
TheMagister 06-20-07, 12:05 PM	@Usernamer and Aura_Blade -- you have my apologies for disappearing on you like I did; I got sick on Monday and spent a couple days hugging my toilet. You have the dubious honor of being my first fight EVER to be held over. I'll get it done this weekend, you have my word (again). Thanks for understanding! TM
Erithmu 06-20-07, 12:08 PM	@Mal76: you missed Corruptor's allies in working out the rewards for Torel vs Corruptor
TelinArtho 06-20-07, 12:13 PM	Tellin your right missed the augment completely, you won and no extra resourses were used if its cool with you guys I will leave it as is, looks more dramatic that way with him knocking you to 0 with the last swing. but yeah with that you would have won a few round earlier I believe. OK MWB things are clearing up for me know, I'm going to edit my guys, probably grab a nap, but we will get caught up and have some good RP when you meet your priestess. No problem. There's a couple of other minor things I would point out to remain completely disclosing. Nothing that actually changes enough in my opponent's favor though when you account for the extra damage from all of the hits. 1. Summoning takes a full round action. 2. Darrgon's tactics called for casting SMI twice, then recalling and recasting. I am fine with leaving it as casting it once, recalling it and recasting it though. Recalling a spell does take a standard action though - so if an edit goes in - it should probably be removed. 3. Darrgon's tactics call for Shakti to attach. This means that on the first successful bite, Shakti deals automatic bite damage until removed.
TheMagister 06-20-07, 12:13 PM	Good fight! Thanks Zevox! @McJ - I managed to take out one of 'em! YEAH!
Malither76 06-20-07, 12:29 PM	@Mal76: you missed Corruptor's allies in working out the rewards for Torel vs Corruptor Changed
MindWandererB 06-20-07, 01:26 PM	Macbrea, Did the Kracknol vs Aerryl fight get finished? Has MWB signed off on it? Yeah, I'm cool with it. I needed more time than I had. @Macbrea: it's really, really helpful if you post fight completion notices here. I know you're not obligated to, but it makes sure we can comment on it promptly, and especially to be aware of any edits.
Macbrea 06-20-07, 02:08 PM	Sorry.. When I finished the fight I sent you an IM. :P
MindWandererB 06-20-07, 02:21 PM	Sorry.. When I finished the fight I sent you an IM. :P Yeah, I know, which is why I caught it, but clearly Sauro didn't. And if you'd posted here, I'd have replied here.
Macbrea 06-20-07, 02:22 PM	Sorry.. :P
MindWandererB 06-20-07, 02:27 PM	Sorry.. :P NP. Just a suggestion for the future. Cat never posted his completed fights here, and if you can't follow his examples, whose can you?
TheMagister 06-22-07, 05:04 PM	@Zevox: Re: TBD vs. Maya and Lorian - You wanna know something really funny? We both forgot to mention and take into account Tessero's shiny new Adamantine Heavy Armor. He's still got 12 hp left! :) I'm still glad I didn't have us spend a lot of resources on that battle (4 charges of resist energy times all three allies); we got quite enough xp/gp for a loss as it stands. ;) TM
TheMagister 06-23-07, 12:51 PM	Phacce vs. Gash is completed here. Let me reiterate my apologies to Usernamer and Aura_Blade for the holdover. I know I hate it when it happens to me. ;) I'm available for edits until Sunday afternoon. TM [cross posted in this one because it actually belongs with this fight week]