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waywreth 05-16-07, 02:23 PM	Fights of the Week: May 16th Please don't edit the sheet after the deadline or you will lose the match. Rules of Gladius All that you need to know is written in the Rules of Gladius. It could be useful also to give a look to the Court Decisions Part 1 and Part 2. Please do not make fake accounts or insult the Elders. Pairings GM MindwandererB will pair the active Characters of Gladius after the deadline. Make sure that your character is not in prison. Pitlording You should use the CoCo Dice Roller (http://www.hwx.it/wizards.com) for the fight. If you need it, there is a nice template ready to use that will help. You could find the Battle Map Tag Generator (http://www.hwx.it/coco) for dynamic Maps very useful. You must post a link to your fight in this thread when it is complete. If you need a quick and dirty tool to calculate distances between two points (in 2-D or 3-D), this tool (http://wormhole.ath.cx/coco/coco_dist.php) should suffice. Another useful link is the Quick Access tables for XP and Gold. If a fight needs to be rerun, the Pitlord has to inform the Pitlords account. He cannot react to requests from Players because the other player and the pitlord might disagree. He has no time to read the fight and the discussion. Please keep that in mind. PMs from players with rerun requests won't have an impact. Recent News and Developments The Iron Man tournament continues this week - good luck to all involved. The semi-finals are post-poned one week for outstanding matches. 25 Hours of Forum/Chat Downtime Beginning Thursday, May 17th The forum/chat servers will be moving to a new physical location Thursday, May 17th, 7 am PDT (10 am EDT/2 pm GMT). Service will be restored Friday, May 18th, 8 am PDT (11 am EDT/3 pm GMT). Comments & Concerns Post any comments or concerns for this weeks fights in this thread. Be kind and courteous to your fellow posters, and don't feed the pitlords. Please remember that they do hard work and consume a lot of time to let you play. Above all, have FUN! If you have questions or comments on any of the changes, please make your posts be heard in the Council of Gladius!
MindWandererB 05-16-07, 02:40 PM	Some of you may have noticed, I've resumed keeping track of quests on the quest roster (post #3 of the Characters thread), which Cat had given up on for a while. For questlords, that means you should be updating the questlog at the beginning of the quest thread before the deadline. If you describe what actually happened (see "The Gawane Underworld, Reprise" for an example), it saves me from having to read the thread to find out.
Zevox 05-16-07, 03:38 PM	Hm... well, I think I know who Ceilia's fighting this week. TLT Cleric vs WAR Cleric - I'll enjoy that one :D . And anyone else sense an FFA coming in the ECL 7 league? 3 characters and a team activating, and it'd be just my luck for Arden to get such a fight again just after getting his first War Mind level. Zevox
TelinArtho 05-16-07, 03:41 PM	@Usurpator - regarding Borodin - did you mean to bring his horse? It is not listed in the prebuffs, and I want to make sure since I know you are just returning from an extended absence.
McJarvis 05-16-07, 03:41 PM	Hm... well, I think I know who Ceilia's fighting this week. TLT Cleric vs WAR Cleric - I'll enjoy that one :D . And anyone else sense an FFA coming in the ECL 7 league? 3 characters and a team activating, and it'd be just my luck for Arden to get such a fight again just after getting his first War Mind level. Zevox Phear the Battlesongs!
Zevox 05-16-07, 03:46 PM	Phear the Battlesongs! Meh, no offense, but I'd be more worried about Durin. Arden's faced him twice already, and lost both times. I'm pretty sure Arden can handle a couple of foes two levels below him barring horrid luck, but I know hes closely matched with that Dwarf. Zevox
templer10 05-16-07, 03:59 PM	Hm... well, I think I know who Ceilia's fighting this week. TLT Cleric vs WAR Cleric - I'll enjoy that one :D . And anyone else sense an FFA coming in the ECL 7 league? 3 characters and a team activating, and it'd be just my luck for Arden to get such a fight again just after getting his first War Mind level. Zevox that will be a nightmare to run - 5 chars in 1 fight + if they got allies.....
Usurpator 05-16-07, 03:59 PM	@Usurpator - regarding Borodin - did you mean to bring his horse? It is not listed in the prebuffs, and I want to make sure since I know you are just returning from an extended absence. Actually, I did. But I knew I had to list it under prebuffs, just didn't have a lot of time remaining to fix up my characters so I forgot it. Too bad, better luck next time. I'm quite aware of the ally prebuff rule, I proposed it after I saw Caterane and King Uther going overboard with a whole stable of allies. Horses are really part of the standard equipment of nearly every character I make today. They are just too useful and can win fights nearly by themselves. Even if you don't want to use them, you need them to even the odds against other horse/ally users. At least I don't have to like them.
McJarvis 05-16-07, 04:02 PM	Meh, no offense, but I'd be more worried about Durin. Arden's faced him twice already, and lost both times. I'm pretty sure Arden can handle a couple of foes two levels below him barring horrid luck, but I know hes closely matched with that Dwarf. Zevox I pity the fool who don't phaer da bard. -_-
Usurpator 05-16-07, 04:11 PM	@Usurpator - regarding Borodin - did you mean to bring his horse? It is not listed in the prebuffs, and I want to make sure since I know you are just returning from an extended absence. Hmmm.... I just checked Borodin's 3FC and: Prebuffs/Ongoing Effects: bring Adamant Does that not qualify for bringing the horse?
TelinArtho 05-16-07, 04:13 PM	Hmm - not sure. In any case, I was mentioning it so that you could preemptively fix it by making a public announcement to that effect.
TelinArtho 05-16-07, 04:16 PM	@MWB - apparently you missed that Darrgon was set to active this week. Should fit nicely in to get rid of that Monster fight.
MindWandererB 05-16-07, 04:20 PM	@MWB - apparently you missed that Darrgon was set to active this week. Should fit nicely in to get rid of that Monster fight. Huh... so I did. Pairings are done, BTW.
templer10 05-16-07, 04:30 PM	3rd week in a row (i think) i pitlord for derrgon the summoner - i think this guy just like me.... on another note- telin you actually have a fighter at level 6? thought they were more of a dip class or at max level 4 (if you really like the weapon spec).
Zevox 05-16-07, 04:32 PM	Kathren Durrol (Zevox) vs. Darrgon the Summoner (TelinArtho) : templer10 [Arena] Oooh, I like this one. Abjurer vs Summoner, both using UA variants. Should be interesting. Durin (Maraxus) vs. Arden Tarmik (Zevox) : templer10 [Cavern] :uh-huh: Holy cow. Deja Vu round 2 - this is the exact same pairing on the exact map Arden has had for his first fight in his last two levels! Wow, just wow. Lets see if I can't turn the result around this time. Kervan Sheharath (MindWandererB) vs. Ceilia Durrol (Zevox) : TheMagister [Arena] Knew that one was coming, but I have to say, nice map and pitlord rolls. Ceilia's Guildmaster gets to run it in a map that allows for moderate buffing and good maneuvering room. Anybody care to place bets? ;) Zevox
MindWandererB 05-16-07, 04:35 PM	Credits: +5: SauroGrenom, TelinArtho +4: TheMagister, Vathelokai +3: Erithmu, Zevox +2: McJarvis, MitzaVolchenko, Rauul, Sjiggie, templer10, Yitzi +1: Hirumajoe, MindWandererB +0: NiQil, Macbrea -1: Malither76
templer10 05-16-07, 04:37 PM	for me i have - Matthis Dar'ath III (waywreth) vs. Lord Lorian (templer10) : Sjiggie [City] same as last week more or less but not i have Allies - ill be suprised to lose that. Farig of Denth (TelinArtho) vs. Longshot (templer10) : TheMagister [Arena] unless telin is willing to shell out the 750 g for that potion of fly he has no chance in hell - considering he cant even use his horse for the first 4 rounds (intimidate rocks). Elrick Flamebrother (templer10) vs. The Undertaker (Abyssal Stalker) : Zevox more of a problem- full caster with lots of spells and spell levels...
Zevox 05-16-07, 04:37 PM	Credits: +5: SauroGrenom, TelinArtho +4: TheMagister, Vathelokai +3: Erithmu, Zevox +2: McJarvis, MitzaVolchenko, Rauul, Sjiggie, templer10, Yitzi +1: Hirumajoe, Macbrea, Malither76, MindWandererB +0: NiQil *raised eyebrow* Only +3? Shouldn't I get +4? I activated four characters, one a MQ, so thats -3. Then +3 for administration, and +4 for fights (the Iron Man matches were being counted double, right?). Zevox
TelinArtho 05-16-07, 04:39 PM	3rd week in a row (i think) i pitlord for derrgon the summoner - i think this guy just like me.... on another note- telin you actually have a fighter at level 6? thought they were more of a dip class or at max level 4 (if you really like the weapon spec). I've had a couple of straight fighters but Farig is my only currently active one. There's also a couple in the archives that are level 12 and 13 I believe (Pard, Lord of the Bumps and Kage Nightwind respectively). She's had moderate success too...
MindWandererB 05-16-07, 04:40 PM	*raised eyebrow* Only +3? Shouldn't I get +4? I activated four characters, one a MQ, so thats -3. Then +3 for administration, and +4 for fights (the Iron Man matches were being counted double, right?). Zevox +3 for administration? Where does that come from? One from Guildlords, one from Guildmaster (EHTC). Just being an elder isn't worth one.
TelinArtho 05-16-07, 04:44 PM	unless telin is willing to shell out the 750 g for that potion of fly he has no chance in hell - considering he cant even use his horse for the first 4 rounds (intimidate rocks). Am I missing something? You don't have even one rank in Intimidate that I can see - let alone enough to scare the horse...
templer10 05-16-07, 04:46 PM	Am I missing something? You don't have even one rank in Intimidate that I can see - let alone enough to scare the horse... damn - knew i forgot something - well NM then ill do a training room for next fight.
SauroGrenom 05-16-07, 04:49 PM	Damn it. I was hopping to get Raskos paired against Besthirah. Nuts... Good luck to the Arcane Hand against that one.
Zevox 05-16-07, 04:53 PM	+3 for administration? Where does that come from? One from Guildlords, one from Guildmaster (EHTC). Just being an elder isn't worth one. It doesn't? When did that change? I could absolutely swear I saw in the rules thread at one point that it did. Edit: Huh, its not there. Maybe I just made a mistake at some point. *shakes his head* Oh well, carry on then. Zevox
TelinArtho 05-16-07, 05:03 PM	damn - knew i forgot something - well NM then ill do a training room for next fight. I am fine with granting the intimidate for the fight.
templer10 05-16-07, 05:07 PM	I am fine with granting the intimidate for the fight. thanks.
McJarvis 05-16-07, 05:09 PM	I am fine with granting the intimidate for the fight. :clap: You're a good man, Charlie Brown.
McJarvis 05-16-07, 05:26 PM	@Yitza: Man is that rough luck. First you try to burgle a NiQil character, then you go up against someone who is guarding & can successfully block the Burgle. Tough luck, man. :( [Regardless of winning: always sucks to have a skill activity shut down]
Rauul 05-16-07, 05:27 PM	@templer10 Tactics for Shadow sent... should be fast and quick...
Yitzi 05-16-07, 06:07 PM	Credits: +5: SauroGrenom, TelinArtho +4: TheMagister, Vathelokai +3: Erithmu, Zevox +2: McJarvis, MitzaVolchenko, Rauul, Sjiggie, templer10, Yitzi +1: Hirumajoe, MindWandererB +0: NiQil, Macbrea -1: Malither76 +2? Wouldnt it be +0 for me-4 characters active, running 2 fights.
MindWandererB 05-16-07, 06:18 PM	+2? Wouldnt it be +0 for me-4 characters active, running 2 fights. You only have three characters active, so you're half-right. Should be +1.
Erithmu 05-16-07, 06:21 PM	You only have three characters active, so you're half-right. Should be +1. You forgot his quester.
Sjiggie 05-16-07, 06:57 PM	Gradak isn't paired but was set ready for this week can he get a fight this week if needed I can take another fight for it. Thanks Sjiggie
Zevox 05-16-07, 07:17 PM	@ templer10 - Tactics for Kathren Durrol (vs Darrgon the Summoner) have been PMed. I'm really looking forward to seeing how that goes - two wizards duking it out is a really interesting situation. Zevox
McJarvis 05-16-07, 08:21 PM	@Malither76 : Tactics for Davian sent.
waywreth 05-16-07, 08:26 PM	@Sjiggie - Tactics for Matthis III in ECL5 fight sent via PM.
MindWandererB 05-16-07, 08:33 PM	You forgot his quester.No, dumber than that; I missed Daren because I had Yitzi's name typed wrong. Oops. Gradak isn't paired but was set ready for this week can he get a fight this week if needed I can take another fight for it. Thanks SjiggieNo need, we still have a volunteer left: Gradak Tumblebelly (Zevox) vs. Unknown Monster : templer10 [Arena] <sigh> You'd think that with the ready-crawler, I wouldn't make these mistakes so often.
Zevox 05-16-07, 08:45 PM	Gradak Tumblebelly (Zevox) vs. Unknown Monster : templer10 [Arena] Wow - apparently I have a character I never even knew I had. ;) Zevox
NiQil 05-16-07, 08:46 PM	Wow - apparently I have a character I never even knew I had. ;) Zevox I believe that is Sjiggie's PC.
NiQil 05-16-07, 08:48 PM	@Yitza: Man is that rough luck. First you try to burgle a NiQil character, then you go up against someone who is guarding & can successfully block the Burgle. Tough luck, man. :( [Regardless of winning: always sucks to have a skill activity shut down] This made me laugh...apparantly trying to burgle me is now somewhat akin to trying to convince TM that we made the right decision on flurried touch attacks....both possible but not very likely LOL
Zevox 05-16-07, 09:01 PM	I believe that is Sjiggie's PC. I know - hence the ";)" smiley. Zevox
Zevox 05-16-07, 09:08 PM	@ templer 10 - And tactics for Arden Tarmik (vs Durin) PMed. Heres hoping for a change of outcome this time. Or at least a friggin' map change next time... I'll have to get Ceilia's tactics to TM after the downtime. Not going to have enough time tonight. Zevox
templer10 05-16-07, 10:40 PM	since there is significant downtime on the servers - will/can the deadlien be extented (for tactics)?
templer10 05-16-07, 10:50 PM	Sjiggie - monster has been rolled - no applicable knowladge - 1 non humanoid Large 4 legged creature.
NiQil 05-16-07, 11:55 PM	@ Yitzi: Tactics for Taren Rune sent via PM @ TheMagister: Tactics for Tyden Rayn sent via PM @ MitzaVolchenko: Tactics for Apocalypse sent via PM
Vathelokai 05-17-07, 12:15 AM	@TheMagister: Tactics for Unholy Ninja sent via PM.
MindWandererB 05-17-07, 02:44 AM	since there is significant downtime on the servers - will/can the deadlien be extented (for tactics)? I don't really see the need, since the servers will be up for six hours before the deadline. Plenty of time to write tactics offline and send them in. If you're worried about it, make sure to have an offline copy of your and your opponents' sheets.
templer10 05-17-07, 03:14 AM	themagister - tactics for longshot VS farig of death sent - have fun - should be quick and messy. sjiggie- tactics for lord lorian vs matthis sent- the city map is a pain in the butt. zevox- tactics for elrick sent.
Rauul 05-17-07, 08:20 AM	Yorick miniquest is started up... MiniQuest: Into the Mind of the Spy (EL5) (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=12423285#post12423285)
Yitzi 05-17-07, 08:23 AM	What does the Shadow think he's doing? Even with just Mage armor, Daren has AC 20 (21 vs dodge buddy) where Shadow has only 18 (19 vs dodge buddy), meaning that even with FoB Daren has a better chance to hit, and he does nearly twice as much damage, and has almost as many hit points...and you're not even using your wand once you score a hit! How do you possibly expect to win this?
Rauul 05-17-07, 08:43 AM	burp
Rauul 05-17-07, 08:44 AM	What does the Shadow think he's doing? Even with just Mage armor, Daren has AC 20 (21 vs dodge buddy) where Shadow has only 18 (19 vs dodge buddy), meaning that even with FoB Daren has a better chance to hit, and he does nearly twice as much damage, and has almost as many hit points...and you're not even using your wand once you score a hit! How do you possibly expect to win this? And your Point... Win or loose he levels and in a Desperate Situation he gets desperate.. never underestimate the power of the desperate :) I mean he can't go range due to deflect arrows.. So he goes melee.. and Prays on the dice loving him over you...
Sjiggie 05-17-07, 09:23 AM	Wow - apparently I have a character I never even knew I had. ;) Zevox Hey stay off my character ;) Templer10 thanks for the pickup
TelinArtho 05-17-07, 10:25 AM	Tactics for Darrgon have been sent. Hopefully this goes better than I am hoping... Good luck to my opponent. I also sent Farig's tactics yesterday. Telveran's mission is started. Hood's operation is started. and Ignatius is starting to get a little warmed up...
templer10 05-17-07, 10:28 AM	Tactics for Darrgon have been sent. Hopefully this goes better than I am hoping... Good luck to my opponent. I also sent Farig's tactics yesterday. . ah good- i sent mine for longshot also - iam wondering did you go for the fly - since at the end i went against levitating and went the Massive hp route (110 buffed) and just blasting. (possibly with energy retort just to have you kill yourself - depending on the spesific contingency).
Erithmu 05-17-07, 10:30 AM	and Ignatius is starting to get a little warmed up... Actually from my point of view it looks like things got a little cooler.
TelinArtho 05-17-07, 10:46 AM	ah good- i sent mine for longshot also - iam wondering did you go for the fly - since at the end i went against levitating and went the Massive hp route (110 buffed) and just blasting. (possibly with energy retort just to have you kill yourself - depending on the spesific contingency). Regardless of the route I took I don't think I had much of a chance in this one. I did have an unstated goal though in my tactics... to hopefully have you use a little bit of your expendables... (I probably won't even succeed in that...)
templer10 05-17-07, 10:53 AM	Regardless of the route I took I don't think I had much of a chance in this one. I did have an unstated goal though in my tactics... to hopefully have you use a little bit of your expendables... (I probably won't even succeed in that...) actually i did - quite a bit - since i prefered to throw money on the "problem" in form of dorja shots then spend a ton of pps - i think i used 9 out of 18 (but the share pain is 83% sure to be usefull in next fight also) - since there are some very strong opponents in ECL 6. now i just want my next fight to be in the plains...
Yitzi 05-17-07, 10:57 AM	And your Point... Win or loose he levels and in a Desperate Situation he gets desperate.. never underestimate the power of the desperate :) I mean he can't go range due to deflect arrows.. So he goes melee.. and Prays on the dice loving him over you... If I were him, I would go range with attacks from hiding-deflect arrows can't be used when flatfooted.
templer10 05-17-07, 11:03 AM	If I were him, I would go range with attacks from hiding-deflect arrows can't be used when flatfooted. If both of you were doing hiding game i would have had been.... upset.... - i hate absolutly hate sneaking, besides barring invisibility or really high as in +30 or so hide checks and/or hide in plain sight it's really hard to consistently stay hidden and still attack since the places where you can still attack and have cover reletive to the attacker (which you need or autospot) arent that many. (remmber that hide ranks only mean you stay hidden when going from cover to cover - so you really need shot on the run for that to work) if i were ever to do a build with hide- ill do a shadowdancer - much less of a pain in the ass since he needs to roll a lot less dice since he's essentialy (with proper use of items) always hidden.
Rauul 05-17-07, 11:03 AM	If I were him, I would go range with attacks from hiding-deflect arrows can't be used when flatfooted. By reading your tactics thats what you thought... So by doing something totally different your caught with your pants down.. Win or loose.. the fight is gonna be bloody :)
McJarvis 05-17-07, 11:03 AM	If I were him, I would go range with attacks from hiding-deflect arrows can't be used when flatfooted. Nod. This is likely what Yitzi's gonna try on me in the Davian fight this week ;) [Not that it's a surprise-> you can't actually would have great difficulty hurting me unless you hide/snipe. Should be an interesting fight given my lousy spot checks.]
Yitzi 05-17-07, 11:09 AM	If both of you were doing hiding game i would have had been.... upset.... - i hate absolutly hate sneaking, besides barring invisibility or really high as in +30 or so hide checks and/or hide in plain sight it's really hard to consistently stay hidden and still attack since the places where you can still attack and have cover reletive to the attacker (which you need or autospot) arent that many. (remmber that hide ranks only mean you stay hidden when going from cover to cover - so you really need shot on the run for that to work) If Daren were to hide, it would be for ambushing puposes, not sniping. By reading your tactics thats what you thought... So by doing something totally different your caught with your pants down except that my plan was essentially to get it to melee and then slaughter the Shadow there. This way, it will be easier even with my being unprepared for you trying for melee.
Zevox 05-17-07, 11:13 AM	@ TM - Tactics for Ceilia Durrol (vs Kervan Sheharath) have been PMed. I'm suddenly very excited about that one - I think you'll understand why when you see my tactics. I'll be interested to see what MWB comes up with. Zevox
Quoriil 05-17-07, 11:23 AM	@ Erithmu: tactics for T'kiir (vs. Dunerunner) have been sent. Hopefully I can stay out of his gigantic grasp for a little while.
Sjiggie 05-17-07, 09:09 PM	if i were ever to do a build with hide- ill do a shadowdancer - much less of a pain in the ass since he needs to roll a lot less dice since he's essentialy (with proper use of items) always hidden. That is where my little Gradak is heading for but it will be a long way from ECL3 till ECL8 where he can get his first level in shadowdancer.
hogarth 05-17-07, 09:26 PM	@Yitzi: tactics sent for Balthazar Picsou.
Yitzi 05-17-07, 09:37 PM	Borodin Brightaxe vs. Taren Rune (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=12425914#post12425914)i s up. I plan to work on my other fight tomorrow or Sunday (probably Sunday).
NiQil 05-17-07, 09:43 PM	Borodin Brightaxe vs. Taren Rune (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=12425914#post12425914)i s up. I plan to work on my other fight tomorrow or Sunday (probably Sunday). Don't forget to add Taren's used/unused arrows to the summary. At least Borodin gets to suffer through the rest of his cycle sans horse. Damn criticals....
Yitzi 05-17-07, 10:26 PM	Whoops. Now it's fixed.
Zevox 05-17-07, 11:13 PM	That is where my little Gradak is heading for but it will be a long way from ECL3 till ECL8 where he can get his first level in shadowdancer. You could do what Featylec did - enter a campaign and get there without the pain of too many arena losses. :D (Seriously, if it weren't for the Liberation of Achos campaign, I'm not sure I'd have been able to go through all the time it'd probably have taken for him to get to level 8 without giving up on him.) Zevox
Erithmu 05-17-07, 11:19 PM	You could do what Featylec did - enter a campaign and get there without the pain of too many arena losses. :D (Seriously, if it weren't for the Liberation of Achos campaign, I'm not sure I'd have been able to go through all the time it'd probably have taken for him to get to level 8 without giving up on him.) ZevoxWhy do you think my cleric is questing ... granted .. he still has a 1:5 record, and the failure tag, but it could be worse ... If you want to level quick ... join Mitza's campaign! @Mitza: I expect my check in the mail ..........
Zevox 05-17-07, 11:33 PM	Why do you think my cleric is questing ... granted .. he still has a 1:5 record, and the failure tag, but it could be worse ... You know, I have to ask - why did you make him a Cloistered Cleric anyway? Aside from perhaps RP, I can't see any actual benefits from it around here. It'd be nice in a real campaign, but in the arena... join Mitza's campaign! You know, I really want to, but I can't. My only characters of the appropriate level are Mithos and Arden, and the former is going to have about five weeks to spend teaching his new Hippogriffs tricks and I want the latter in the arena and around the EHTC more than I want him in a campaign. Oh well. Yeah, I know that wasn't directed at me, but I wanted to say that anyway. Zevox
NiQil 05-17-07, 11:42 PM	You know, I have to ask - why did you make him a Cloistered Cleric anyway? Aside from perhaps RP, I can't see any actual benefits from it around here. It'd be nice in a real campaign, but in the arena... You know, I really want to, but I can't. My only characters of the appropriate level are Mithos and Arden, and the former is going to have about five weeks to spend teaching his new Hippogriffs tricks and I want the latter in the arena and around the EHTC more than I want him in a campaign. Oh well. Yeah, I know that wasn't directed at me, but I wanted to say that anyway. Zevox Heh...I'm starting to wonder if I am the only one on board for that so far...haven't seen anyone else mention it much. Would be a shame to have created a campaign/quest character and not get to use it because the campaign doesn't get off the ground....
Erithmu 05-17-07, 11:43 PM	You know, I have to ask - why did you make him a Cloistered Cleric anyway? Aside from perhaps RP, I can't see any actual benefits from it around here. It'd be nice in a real campaign, but in the arena... Zevox I always like light armored characters. I'm kinda movement buff (see Ephraim), plus the skill points are nice, and at 7th level the BAB doesn't matter, and he is going mostly summoning route, sort of a NG version of any of the Denthians So basically 1 hp/level for +4 skills a level. Basically I end up being a divine bard, which ... well ... yea look at my career choice.
Erithmu 05-17-07, 11:45 PM	Heh...I'm starting to wonder if I am the only one on board for that so far...haven't seen anyone else mention it much. Would be a shame to have created a campaign/quest character and not get to use it because the campaign doesn't get off the ground.... I told Mitza I would play if she needed more, Probably end up in another caster of some sort, I have a large hankering to try a Mystic Theruge. (I took the quiz in MWB's sig and have gotten it every time I have gone back to check something like 80% arcane 60% divine) I think she has about 3 people at the moment, but I'll let her speak for herself.
NiQil 05-17-07, 11:48 PM	I told Mitza I would play if she needed more, Probably end up in another caster of some sort, I have a large hankering to try a Mystic Theruge. (I took the quiz in MWB's sig and have gotten it every time I have gone back to check something like 80% arcane 60% divine) I think she has about 3 people at the moment, but I'll let her speak for herself. I'm sure she's probably got several people, I just haven't seen anyone mention it....I'm curious as to what might be going alongside my ranger...
Zevox 05-17-07, 11:52 PM	I always like light armored characters. I'm kinda movement buff (see Ephraim), plus the skill points are nice, and at 7th level the BAB doesn't matter, and he is going mostly summoning route, sort of a NG version of any of the Denthians So basically 1 hp/level for +4 skills a level. Basically I end up being a divine bard, which ... well ... yea look at my career choice. I'd argue that assertion about BAB personally (the spell you're no doubt referring to is only 1 round/level, and until high levels you probably won't be able to prepare it enough to use it in every fight), and personally I'd rather have the hp than the skills, but okay. Whatever floats your boat I suppose. Zevox
Rauul 05-18-07, 12:31 AM	I'm sure she's probably got several people, I just haven't seen anyone mention it....I'm curious as to what might be going alongside my ranger... Well me for one are waiting to see if many Elfs show up before i deside what charater to take... if alot of Elves... will bring Rauul my cleric back for a campain.. or maybe Shadow (bards are useful in a party) Heck i don't know.. Basicly i am undecided Except for Graashnak (who is definately going Elf Slayer.. And really really hates Elves
TheMagister 05-18-07, 12:31 AM	I told Mitza I would play if she needed more, Probably end up in another caster of some sort, I have a large hankering to try a Mystic Theruge. (I took the quiz in MWB's sig and have gotten it every time I have gone back to check something like 80% arcane 60% divine) I think she has about 3 people at the moment, but I'll let her speak for herself. The Battlesong Duet is signed on for her campaign. I'm excited about it; I've been looking for a way to give Tessero a "voice". The miniquests he's done haven't really done much for him. There are interesting possibilities in a relationship between Cupid and Tessero. TM
Rauul 05-18-07, 12:35 AM	The Battlesong Duet is signed on for her campaign. I'm excited about it; I've been looking for a way to give Tessero a "voice". The miniquests he's done haven't really done much for him. There are interesting possibilities in a relationship between Cupid and Tessero. TM Oh if only Shadow was higher level... he would go... Don't think i can get him to level 5 before hand tho.. Shrug
NiQil 05-18-07, 12:37 AM	The Battlesong Duet is signed on for her campaign. I'm excited about it; I've been looking for a way to give Tessero a "voice". The miniquests he's done haven't really done much for him. There are interesting possibilities in a relationship between Cupid and Tessero. TM Cool beans, so that gives a human bard (Cupid), a human Fighter/PsyWar (Tessero), and an elven ranger (Garet Jax). So it looks like we could use a glass cannon of some kind (wizard/psion/sorcerer/wilder) and probably a cleric. BTW, for those that are already going...Garet's animal companion (light horse) is being used as a packhorse, so if you have need, there is some room.
Erithmu 05-18-07, 12:40 AM	Cool beans, so that gives a human bard (Cupid), a human Fighter/PsyWar (Tessero), and an elven ranger (Garet Jax). So it looks like we could use a glass cannon of some kind (wizard/psion/sorcerer/wilder) and probably a cleric Not all cannons have to be made of glass ... some sit on a Pegasus and blow stuff up.
Zevox 05-18-07, 12:40 AM	Hm... actually, now that I think of it, I do have another character in that level range. Mindrel, the Mystic Theurge I got off of the UnCon contest and haven't done a thing with since. Not sure what I'll do with him RP-wise, but perhaps he could join in. Theurges aren't much good in the arena until later levels (in theory I think 8 should be good, but I expect you'll actually need 10 or so), but in a campaign could be another matter. Hm... Zevox
Zevox 05-18-07, 12:41 AM	Not all cannons have to be made of glass ... some sit on a Pegasus and blow stuff up. :bravo: ;)
NiQil 05-18-07, 12:42 AM	Not all cannons have to be made of glass ... some sit on a Pegasus and blow stuff up. no one said the glass cannon couldn't be mobile LOL
Rauul 05-18-07, 12:47 AM	Cool beans, so that gives a human bard (Cupid), a human Fighter/PsyWar (Tessero), and an elven ranger (Garet Jax). So it looks like we could use a glass cannon of some kind (wizard/psion/sorcerer/wilder) and probably a cleric. BTW, for those that are already going...Garet's animal companion (light horse) is being used as a packhorse, so if you have need, there is some room. Well Mitza was talking to me about the Corrupter... I could put off Joining EHTC.. cause i believe if i make the Miniquest to join i will level out of the range.. have to think about that.. Corrupter wouldn't mind the chance to Campain for Power and gain... and is a blaster with a Cleric cohort..
Zevox 05-18-07, 12:47 AM	no one said the glass cannon couldn't be mobile LOL I'm pretty sure he was referring to my character Istima. Definitely a cannon (you don't want to be hit by his Empowered Crystal Shards - just ask the Thought Slayer that the guys in Sauro's campaign ran into), but no glass (how many Psions do you know of with 70 hp pre-vigor?). Zevox
NiQil 05-18-07, 12:47 AM	Also, for those that are on board or thinking about it...I need an opinion. I have the animal companion currently as a light horse....since it is going to be a packhorse and a non-combatant, I am thinking of changing it to a heavy horse or a camel. Camel's can carry more, but might be harder to explain in a town than a horse. Opinions?
Erithmu 05-18-07, 12:49 AM	HP ranking in Sauro's campaign 1) Istma 70 2) Lemmi 54 3) Owen 51 4) Klip 41 5) Psi beast 38 (but this goes up to 60 most of the time in Metamorph form) yea ... the psion should be tanking ...
Rauul 05-18-07, 12:51 AM	Also, for those that are on board or thinking about it...I need an opinion. I have the animal companion currently as a light horse....since it is going to be a packhorse and a non-combatant, I am thinking of changing it to a heavy horse or a camel. Camel's can carry more, but might be harder to explain in a town than a horse. Opinions? Go with a Wagon :) Undead mule and a wagon.. all you need to transport.. :)
Erithmu 05-18-07, 12:51 AM	Also, for those that are on board or thinking about it...I need an opinion. I have the animal companion currently as a light horse....since it is going to be a packhorse and a non-combatant, I am thinking of changing it to a heavy horse or a camel. Camel's can carry more, but might be harder to explain in a town than a horse. Opinions? Backstory, backstory, backstory ... What most people don't realize is that you have creative license to explain 'almost' any backstory. Sometimes you write the backstory, other times you write the character and build the backstory around it.
NiQil 05-18-07, 12:52 AM	Go with a Wagon :) Undead mule and a wagon.. all you need to transport.. :) The animal companion is already going to be there, and I really have no other use for it. I don't build PC's around animals, so it's kind of an extra. I figured I would put it to good party use.
NiQil 05-18-07, 12:52 AM	Backstory, backstory, backstory ... What most people don't realize is that you have creative license to explain 'almost' any backstory. Sometimes you write the backstory, other times you write the character and build the backstory around it. Good point....and a camel would definately be a conversation starter, if nothing else....
Rauul 05-18-07, 12:55 AM	in that case... i would go with the camel.. but yes the backstory would be nice.. Or save your Animal companion slot open and pick one up on the campain..
Zevox 05-18-07, 12:56 AM	HP ranking in Sauro's campaign 1) Istma 70 2) Lemmi 54 3) Owen 51 4) Klip 41 5) Psi beast 38 (but this goes up to 60 most of the time in Metamorph form) yea ... the psion should be tanking ... To put that in perspective for those not aware: Istima - Goblin Psion 9 Lemmi - Half-Giant Psychic Warrior 1/Cleric 6 Owen - Human Abjurer 5/Red Wizard 4 Kilp - Elan Cleric 1/Psion 7 Psibeast - Tiefling Psion 8 Zevox
Erithmu 05-18-07, 12:59 AM	Good point....and a camel would definately be a conversation starter, if nothing else.... If you want an example ... take a look at a character I play over on the RA boards Shadowsong, Aasimar Spirit Shaman. (see sig) For RP aspect she is basically tribal and (self-imposed) illiterate. She also speaks as if she doesn't understand 'civilized' life, and (as hard as it is to type) speaks with very simple language and broken sentence structure. I dunno what books you have access to but maybe give him a desert survivalist background, or just give the camel a backstory (that could be fun). I know you have a very creative side in you Niqil, so time to show off.
Rauul 05-18-07, 01:45 AM	Cool beans, so that gives a human bard (Cupid), a human Fighter/PsyWar (Tessero), and an elven ranger (Garet Jax). So it looks like we could use a glass cannon of some kind (wizard/psion/sorcerer/wilder) and probably a cleric. BTW, for those that are already going...Garet's animal companion (light horse) is being used as a packhorse, so if you have need, there is some room. And the Corrupter (unless there are Charaters in that Won't deal with Undead or Neutral Evil) Corrupter is Only evil because he is out for personnel Power (and because i can't play a good aligned Pc to save my arse)
Rauul 05-18-07, 01:48 AM	Not all cannons have to be made of glass ... some sit on a Pegasus and blow stuff up. Some Stand behind Undead mules and blow things up!
Rauul 05-18-07, 03:45 AM	Malik of Black Robe your Miniquest is up and ready for you.. MiniQuest: Into the Deepest Night (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=12428104#post12428104) (EL8)
Usurpator 05-18-07, 06:23 AM	At least Borodin gets to suffer through the rest of his cycle sans horse. It was your character in Borordin's last fight that caused me to get the horse. I don't want a horse for him either, but the poorly defined delay rules make it mandatory for a slow mover to suicide himself on a faster archer. You really brought this one on yourself. I don't want Borodin to have the horse, I feel forced by the rules (and corresponding tactics). A melee character in CoCo with 20 ft. movement will simply never get into melee unless his opponent wants to do so, that is the sad truth. If opponents use mounts themselves this problem gets even bigger.
templer10 05-18-07, 07:16 AM	It was your character in Borordin's last fight that caused me to get the horse. I don't want a horse for him either, but the poorly defined delay rules make it mandatory for a slow mover to suicide himself on a faster archer. You really brought this one on yourself. I don't want Borodin to have the horse, I feel forced by the rules (and corresponding tactics). A melee character in CoCo with 20 ft. movement will simply never get into melee unless his opponent wants to do so, that is the sad truth. If opponents use mounts themselves this problem gets even bigger. that's why melee chars are almost never with 20 feet move - ther ea are plenty of ways to go beyond that, the cheapest and most common being are tattoes of skate.
Usurpator 05-18-07, 07:58 AM	that's why melee chars are almost never with 20 feet move - ther ea are plenty of ways to go beyond that, the cheapest and most common being are tattoes of skate. The cheapest one is actually getting a mount (or multiple ones for that matter), you keep your own standard action, and get decent movement, 35 ft. move (20 + 15 from skate) generally doesn't cut it. Besides, I don't like to rely too much on expendables too.
templer10 05-18-07, 08:06 AM	The cheapest one is actually getting a mount (or multiple ones for that matter), you keep your own standard action, and get decent movement, 35 ft. move (20 + 15 from skate) generally doesn't cut it. Besides, I don't like to rely too much on expendables too. i meant other then a mount - and if you are going for a mount - spend another 150g and get 2. nothing is more annoying then the mount dieing in the first round and being mountless for the the other 2 fights.
templer10 05-18-07, 10:05 AM	daren legard VS the shaodw is done and here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12422799&postcount=868).
templer10 05-18-07, 10:55 AM	gradak tumblebelly VS dire wolf (unknown monster) is done and here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12429759&postcount=870) - the result isnt what i call a shocker. p.s. - i wish we could reroll opponents when it's autolose to the fighter sigh - dire wolf VS rogue/ranger at ECL 3 - shudder.
Rauul 05-18-07, 11:24 AM	daren legard VS the shaodw is done and here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12422799&postcount=868). thanks for the run..
Yitzi 05-18-07, 11:33 AM	daren legard VS the shaodw is done and here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12422799&postcount=868). Just one mistake...Daren's mage armor is CL 1, so it has less than an hour left, so it doesn't go in prebuffs/ongoing effects.
templer10 05-18-07, 11:52 AM	Just one mistake...Daren's mage armor is CL 1, so it has less than an hour left, so it doesn't go in prebuffs/ongoing effects. done - and next time please say if it's from scroll or memory - it wasnt mentioned.
Yitzi 05-18-07, 12:07 PM	Sorry.
Usurpator 05-18-07, 01:10 PM	Yitzi, I think I totally forgot thanking you for running the fight. Thanks! =YitziBorodin, you probably should work on your healing abilities/tactics, as that is one of the strongest aspects of a cleric-especially one with a good defense. Do you have any specific pointers or ideas? What would you have done differently?
MindWandererB 05-18-07, 01:14 PM	@ TM - Tactics for Ceilia Durrol (vs Kervan Sheharath) have been PMed. I'm suddenly very excited about that one - I think you'll understand why when you see my tactics. I'll be interested to see what MWB comes up with. Zevox And now Kervan's have been sent as well. I can't guess why Zevox is so excited... the odds are very heavily in his favor in any event. Some simple buffs and melee and he'll likely crush me flat.
Zevox 05-18-07, 01:37 PM	And now Kervan's have been sent as well. I can't guess why Zevox is so excited... the odds are very heavily in his favor in any event. Some simple buffs and melee and he'll likely crush me flat. Well, first is that I expect this will be the first time ever that we clerics actually using their turn and rebuke undead abilities in the arena ;) . And second is that I think I've come up with a plan that you flat-out can't beat. I'll be interested to see if what you've come up with is what I expect or something that takes me by surprise and perhaps manages to beat out my primary plan. Zevox
MindWandererB 05-18-07, 01:59 PM	Well, first is that I expect this will be the first time ever that we clerics actually using their turn and rebuke undead abilities in the arena ;) . And second is that I think I've come up with a plan that you flat-out can't beat. I'll be interested to see if what you've come up with is what I expect or something that takes me by surprise and perhaps manages to beat out my primary plan. ZevoxAs for the former, you're a little late. As for the latter... well, you're probably quite right. I probably should have gone with a foregone-loss-conserve-resources strategy, but as I've said before, doing that galls me.
Rauul 05-18-07, 02:35 PM	As for the former, you're a little late. As for the latter... well, you're probably quite right. I probably should have gone with a foregone-loss-conserve-resources strategy, but as I've said before, doing that galls me. Showing off how you destroyed 2 mutts... sheesh
templer10 05-18-07, 02:59 PM	As for the former, you're a little late. As for the latter... well, you're probably quite right. I probably should have gone with a foregone-loss-conserve-resources strategy, but as I've said before, doing that galls me. and if you want evidance just how insistent MWB is ;) - look at his fight with mara redwine against my druid from last week - forced me to do 200 or so points of damage....
Rauul 05-18-07, 03:17 PM	done - and next time please say if it's from scroll or memory - it wasnt mentioned. One more little problem... 19% Political Carreer bonus for shadow... (got to pay the bills on the election trail)
Zevox 05-18-07, 03:36 PM	As for the former, you're a little late. Meh, oh well, still not exactly a common event. And this time, you can't destroy the undead in question outright, plus Ceilia has orders to try and dispel the turning with her rebuking if its convenient. As for the latter... well, you're probably quite right. I probably should have gone with a foregone-loss-conserve-resources strategy, but as I've said before, doing that galls me. Don't worry about it. If you've gone with your typical strategy, you probably won't end up using much anyway. Zevox
Sjiggie 05-18-07, 04:28 PM	I'm stuck with my Assault MQ I have to run for Zodiac it is listed in the ECL5 leage but in the guildactions the miniquest is listed as ECL3 + ECL3 monster ally which opponents do I have to roll 1) 1 time on the ECL5 table for it is listed under the ECL 5 leage 2) 2 Times on the ECL3 list fur ECL 3 MQ with a ECL 3 monster ally? 3) An other option I don't know off? Thanks for the help
TelinArtho 05-18-07, 04:32 PM	It does appear to be a pair of ECL3 rolls from the monster list.
TheMagister 05-18-07, 06:44 PM	Tactics for The Battlesong Duet will be crafted and sent shortly. A gift of a little extra time would be lovely (no later than 10pm US Central). TM
MindWandererB 05-18-07, 06:47 PM	I'm stuck with my Assault MQ I have to run for Zodiac it is listed in the ECL5 leage but in the guildactions the miniquest is listed as ECL3 + ECL3 monster ally which opponents do I have to roll 1) 1 time on the ECL5 table for it is listed under the ECL 5 leage 2) 2 Times on the ECL3 list fur ECL 3 MQ with a ECL 3 monster ally? 3) An other option I don't know off? Thanks for the help Vath has the option of two EL 3 rolls (as an EL 3 MQ plus handicap) or a single EL 5 roll (voluntarily increasing the EL).
TheMagister 05-18-07, 07:35 PM	@Macbrea - TBD tactics have been finalized and sent to McJ for approval. If I don't hear from him by 10pm, I'll send them to you as they are.
TheMagister 05-19-07, 12:18 AM	Tyden Rayn vs. The Unholy Ninja is completed. Some rolls are out of order (I had to edit in the middle), but they're all there in the roller if anyone needs explanation. TM
NiQil 05-19-07, 12:27 AM	Tyden Rayn vs. The Unholy Ninja is completed. Some rolls are out of order (I had to edit in the middle), but they're all there in the roller if anyone needs explanation. TM The sore loser in me wants to make you roll out the mm charges, but the parent me is telling me to play fair, so I'll leave it be. Keep in mind, however, pending the discussion in the Council, in the future the mm charges would be required (depending on what definition of defeated is decided upon). So I tip my hat to Vath for coming with something I didn't anticipate, and move on to level 4.
Vathelokai 05-19-07, 12:33 AM	Tyden Rayn vs. The Unholy Ninja is completed. Some rolls are out of order (I had to edit in the middle), but they're all there in the roller if anyone needs explanation. TM Well, NiQil has a never surrender clause in his sheet, but I'm not sure what he can do about it here. NiQ? Edit: Ninja'd... Thanks NiQil. Good Fight TM. I had a feeling this one would come down to who had the lucky dice.
Vathelokai 05-19-07, 01:41 AM	Hey TM, Noticed that the 2 MM charges are not on the fight summary for the UNHOLY NINJA .
TheMagister 05-19-07, 01:48 AM	Really? I thought I put 'em on there. No, I'm sure of it. "Wands: CLW (x charges) and MM (x charges)" If it's not, then I'm goin' nutz. I love TUN's little pic. It's so FF-tactics-awesome. Where'd you get it? edit: You were right. I was remembering mage armor and CLW. Added the MM charges. :) TM
Vathelokai 05-19-07, 02:45 AM	Really? I thought I put 'em on there. No, I'm sure of it. "Wands: CLW (x charges) and MM (x charges)" If it's not, then I'm goin' nutz. I love TUN's little pic. It's so FF-tactics-awesome. Where'd you get it? edit: You were right. I was remembering mage armor and CLW. Added the MM charges. :) TM Fun trick (if you have time and/or bandwidth)... Go to photobucket.com. They have a search function. If you have your own photobucket account, you can click on a button and transer a copy of the pic straight to your box. I just starting throwing in random combinations of words until I found some cool stuff. I have a couple other ones on my computer, in case I get bored with the Final Fantasy Tactics style pic (not likely to happen soon). Like this one ... http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/Vathelokai/ninja-dance.gif
TheMagister 05-19-07, 03:36 AM	Hey, thanks man! I found some better representations of how I view Rubicanti in there. Good ol' KoF... TM
MitzaVolchenko 05-19-07, 01:13 PM	@ my fighters Tactics received. @my pitlord Awaiting map clarification.
templer10 05-19-07, 07:07 PM	Arden VS durin is done (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12440534&postcount=873) - Hint for the result - when rage ends and the battle isnt done - it's..... not fun.
Zevox 05-19-07, 07:11 PM	Arden VS durin is done (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12440534&postcount=873) - Hint for the result - when rage ends and the battle isnt done - it's..... not fun. Rage? Durin shouldn't have had Rage for this fight. His 3FC info says he used it in fight 2, and he can only use it once per cycle. I'll look over the fight later - currently running my own fight, Undertaker vs Elric. Zevox
templer10 05-19-07, 07:14 PM	Rage? Durin shouldn't have had Rage for this fight. His 3FC info says he used it in fight 2, and he can only use it once per cycle. I'll look over the fight later - currently running my own fight, Undertaker vs Elric. Zevox he is actually in round 1 of the 3fc - the 3fc section of the sheet is wrong.
Zevox 05-19-07, 07:46 PM	he is actually in round 1 of the 3fc - the 3fc section of the sheet is wrong. Ah, so he is. Silly me. And Elric Flamebrother vs The Undertaker is up. Zevox
templer10 05-19-07, 08:23 PM	Ah, so he is. Silly me. And Elric Flamebrother vs The Undertaker is up. Zevox Ty for the run.
Zevox 05-19-07, 09:47 PM	Arden VS durin is done (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12440534&postcount=873) - Hint for the result - when rage ends and the battle isnt done - it's..... not fun. Okay, went over the fight. I have the feeling you made a lot of errors with the reach rules - once he enlarged, Arden should've had a reach of 15-20' with his Guisarme, meaning he should've drawn his greatsword a lot sooner, because he couldn't have struck with his Guisarme if Durin was 5-10' away. Still, that would only speed things up, since Durin wouldn't get the chance to counter-trip the one time that happened, and Arden would do more damage. Thanks for the run. Edit: Oh, you have Arden's free activity wrong (seriously, burglary??). He did Profession (Politican) for 161 gp. Edit 2: And the rewards seem to be a bit off. The horse should be a 5% adjustment for us, so 2205 xp and 2,730 gp for Arden and 665 xp and 822 gp for Durin. Zevox
TheMagister 05-19-07, 09:54 PM	Farig of Denth (TelinArtho) vs. Longshot (Templer10) ended predictably, and the encounter is logged here. @Telin - I remembered the pillar after I rolled, but it never made a difference, really.
Zevox 05-19-07, 10:11 PM	Farig of Denth (TelinArtho) vs. Longshot (Templer10) ended predictably, and the encounter is logged here. @Telin - I remembered the pillar after I rolled, but it never made a difference, really. You forgot Farig's horse's modifier to the rewards. Zevox
TheMagister 05-19-07, 10:14 PM	Hmph. I thought I caught that. Longshot has a horse, too. Don't they offset?
Zevox 05-19-07, 10:17 PM	Hmph. I thought I caught that. Longshot has a horse, too. Don't they offset? Huh - missed that. Never thought a Psion who wasn't a Nomad would have a mount. Nevermind then. Zevox
NiQil 05-19-07, 10:18 PM	Huh - missed that. Never thought a Psion who wasn't a Nomad would have a mount. Nevermind then. Zevox Yet another example of too many horses....:P
Yitzi 05-19-07, 10:33 PM	Yitzi, I think I totally forgot thanking you for running the fight. Thanks! Do you have any specific pointers or ideas? What would you have done differently? Gotten a wand of CLW at CL1, and put in the tactics to use it whenever below a certain number of hit points (possibly sacrificing spells to heal until you reach your limit, then using the wand). Someone with a wand of CLW and a high AC is a nightmare for most people (they pretty much have to sunder or disarm the wand before they can kill you).
TheMagister 05-20-07, 12:32 AM	Kervan Sheharath vs. Ceilia Durrol is chronicled here. That's it for me, boys and girls! ... Where are all MY character's fights?! Don't you people have nothing better to do than to run my fights?! ;) I can't be the only one who can sit at a computer for 6 hours to finish two fights! <.< >.> {j/k, ya'll}
NiQil 05-20-07, 12:36 AM	Kervan Sheharath vs. Ceilia Durrol is chronicled here. That's it for me, boys and girls! ... Where are all MY character's fights?! Don't you people have nothing better to do than to run my fights?! ;) I can't be the only one who can sit at a computer for 6 hours to finish two fights! <.< >.> {j/k, ya'll} I'm sorry, did you say something? All I heard was "blah blah blah flurry blah blah touch attacks blah blah blah." :P
TheMagister 05-20-07, 01:25 AM	Don't get all huffy because the world revolves around me. :P
Zevox 05-20-07, 01:26 AM	Yet another example of too many horses.... :P ...so, anyone around here know how to fix a broken record? :P Kervan Sheharath vs. Ceilia Durrol is chronicled here. That's it for me, boys and girls! ... Where are all MY character's fights?! Don't you people have nothing better to do than to run my fights?! ;) I can't be the only one who can sit at a computer for 6 hours to finish two fights! <.< >.> {j/k, ya'll} Looks good to me for the most part - plan worked out perfectly in spite of absolutely horrid listen and spot checks vs low DCs. I imagine MWB may want to have summoned that Hippogriff rather than cast Entangle, but thats a pitlord call, so no big deal. I should point out that if Bishop was flying (as he should have been, to keep up with Ceilia) he shouldn't have been able to be entangled (no reach on the spell - you're either on the ground and vulnerable or you're not), and the same goes for Ceilia herself (being on Rook's back), but that doesn't make a difference either. Thanks for running it. @Zevox: I don't want to alienate you, but I was really turned off when you posted about "your guildmaster" running this fight, and how you had "high confidence" or whatever about Ceilia's chances because of it. I have a feeling you didn't really mean anything by it, but I don't want anyone implying that I'd bend rules or make exceptions for any character that's in my guild. I may as well quit if my moral compass is that easily swayed. Again, I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, but I'd take it as a personal favor if you didn't even HINT at anything like that ever again. A small thing to ask, friend to friend (or at the very least) honorable competitor to honorable competitor. Or maybe I'm just taking this all a little too seriously. {shrug} Yeah, I think you're taking that too seriously, and misinterpreting it to boot. Take a look at what I wrote again. I commented on the irony of rolling you as the Pitlord because you're her Guildmaster (in the same breath/sentence as I commented on the irony of the map being favorable to Ceilia), and only implied I was confident by asking if anyone wanted to take bets - which was because I was confident about the fight to begin with (I had previously checked the EC 8 league and saw that Kervan was the only competitor this week and sized him up then, and even hinted at that in the start of those comments by saying I knew the fight was coming). Perhaps I could've made it more clear that my comment about was just in reference to irony, but I had thought I'd made myself well known around here for enjoying irony already, so I didn't even think the comment could be taken any other way. I'm sorry you mistook it for this. I certainly didn't mean to imply that that at all, and apologize if you still feel I did. Zevox
MindWandererB 05-20-07, 01:42 AM	Kervan Sheharath vs. Ceilia Durrol is chronicled here. That's it for me, boys and girls! ... Where are all MY character's fights?! Don't you people have nothing better to do than to run my fights?! ;) I can't be the only one who can sit at a computer for 6 hours to finish two fights! <.< >.> {j/k, ya'll} I have to call your attention to the rules regarding the maps: Improved Cover: To benefit from Improved cover (+8 cover Ac, +4 reflex vs front attacks, improved evasion, +10 hide) a creature's front squares must be blocked by equally as many cover squares (medium creature behind pillar, small creature behind rock, etc). You cannot attack while using Improved cover as you have to press yourself against the obstacle.Not that it matters, since Rook moves straight into auto-spot range, but it's there. It might also be a good idea at this time to talk about whether abilities that are not designated as extraordinary, supernatural, or spell-like are indeed lost when a Polymorph-type spell is used. The FAQ says so, but it's generally not ruled that way. (Plus, if it's ruled that Kervan can't use his sword or bow while in Troglodyte form, I'm probably going to have to retire him on the spot, or at least modify him massively. That's a key element in his strategy--Rapid Shot and bow nonproficiency don't mix.)
Zevox 05-20-07, 01:59 AM	...wait, what? Since when do you lose anything of that sort when shape-shifting? News to me. (Looks up in FAQ). ...sounds kinda stupid if you ask me. The spell says abilities which fall into the specific category of "extraordinary special qualities not derived from class levels." Why should anything not classified as extraordinary, supernatural, or spell-like get automatically categorized as an extraordinary special quality?? *shakes his head* Nonsense, if you ask me. If it gets ruled like that FAQ entry indicates, I'm going to need to rearrange Mithos' feats, just so he doesn't lose his tripping when he alters into a Troglodyte, and indicate which of skill points specifically are human ones to boot! Thats just crazy. ...now, getting off that spontaneous rant - @ MWB - I've two questions for you amigo. First, what is it that you get next level that would give you better odds against Ceilia than you had now? I've looked over the Cleric 5th-level spells, plus your domain spell options, but I'm just not seeing it. Righteous Might is the biggest thing I can see, and personally I don't think thats a big enough boost, especially given its 1 round/level duration. And second, now that you've had a match against her, you have a better idea why Ceilia does so well? Given your comment in the tavern a few weeks back, I'm curious. Zevox
MindWandererB 05-20-07, 02:16 AM	@ MWB - I've two questions for you amigo. First, what is it that you get next level that would give you better odds against Ceilia than you had now? I've looked over the Cleric 5th-level spells, plus your domain spell options, but I'm just not seeing it. Righteous Might is the biggest thing I can see, and personally I don't think thats a big enough boost, especially given its 1 round/level duration. And second, now that you've had a match against her, you have a better idea why Ceilia does so well? Given your comment in the tavern a few weeks back, I'm curious. Zevox Hard to tell from this fight, actually. You got lucky picking the right square right off the bat, before Kervan can buff (which he needs a lot of). Silence was just another nail in the coffin. Plus, Kervan's rolls were pretty crappy. This would have been a loss to just about anyone under those conditions. I'd have a much better idea of Celia's strengths if she were pitted against any of my other characters, at appropriate levels. (Also note that Kervan was a Failure only a few fights ago--his meteoric rise to over 1300 PR from less than 700 isn't really representative of his career.) Righteous Might is a nice spell, but the nicest thing is that it lets Kervan craft a Monk's Belt for +6 more AC right off the bat. And he can also get a CL 9 Magic Missile wand at that point. I also need to think about an ally; he was sinking points into Diplomacy for the future, but that's up in the air for many reasons now. And of course, next time I'll have a counterstrategy for if you pull this same stunt.
Zevox 05-20-07, 02:28 AM	Hard to tell from this fight, actually. You got lucky picking the right square right off the bat, before Kervan can buff (which he needs a lot of). Silence was just another nail in the coffin. Plus, Kervan's rolls were pretty crappy. This would have been a loss to just about anyone under those conditions. I'd have a much better idea of Celia's strengths if she were pitted against any of my other characters, at appropriate levels. (Also note that Kervan was a Failure only a few fights ago--his meteoric rise to over 1300 PR from less than 700 isn't really representative of his career.) Righteous Might is a nice spell, but the nicest thing is that it lets Kervan craft a Monk's Belt for +6 more AC right off the bat. And he can also get a CL 9 Magic Missile wand at that point. I also need to think about an ally; he was sinking points into Diplomacy for the future, but that's up in the air for many reasons now. And of course, next time I'll have a counterstrategy for if you pull this same stunt. Well, to be honest, even without that luck, things wouldn't likely have gone differently. You'd at best have probably just one more AC buff up, plus the summoned Hippogriff, before Silence went into effect, and an AC of 24 isn't tough for her to hit. And ah, its the items then. That makes sense. Magic Missiles would be a big problem for her, and that Monk's Belt would be an issue AC-wise too, to be sure. I see. That'd make him much tougher all right. Zevox
Usurpator 05-20-07, 04:10 AM	Gotten a wand of CLW at CL1, and put in the tactics to use it whenever below a certain number of hit points (possibly sacrificing spells to heal until you reach your limit, then using the wand). Someone with a wand of CLW and a high AC is a nightmare for most people (they pretty much have to sunder or disarm the wand before they can kill you). Thanks. Unfortunately, his gold was already totally spent at his creation, and I can't buy wands during the 3FC, so this wasn't a possibility. I already had to content myself with less scrolls than I desired.
Usurpator 05-20-07, 04:11 AM	...so, anyone around here know how to fix a broken record? :P Double the ally XP/gp penalty?
templer10 05-20-07, 04:30 AM	Edit: Oh, you have Arden's free activity wrong (seriously, burglary??). He did Profession (Politican) for 161 gp. Edit 2: And the rewards seem to be a bit off. The horse should be a 5% adjustment for us, so 2205 xp and 2,730 gp for Arden and 665 xp and 822 gp for Durin. Zevox err that will teach me not to cut paste at 3 AM....
templer10 05-20-07, 04:33 AM	Farig of Denth (TelinArtho) vs. Longshot (Templer10) ended predictably, and the encounter is logged here. @Telin - I remembered the pillar after I rolled, but it never made a difference, really. mind editing that time left on share pain - iam ML6 so i have 5+ hours for it remaining.
Abyssal Stalker 05-20-07, 05:05 AM	Ah, so he is. Silly me. And Elric Flamebrother vs The Undertaker is up. Zevox Thanks for running the fight. My only comfort is that I did better than I expected :) Looks like I'm getting a failure tag to Taker...
Yitzi 05-20-07, 02:43 PM	Balthazar Picsou vs. Mohmat Iptomor (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=705852&page=30) is up.
Eluria 05-20-07, 02:53 PM	Balthazar Picsou vs. Mohmat Iptomor (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=705852&page=30) is up. Thanks Yitzi; I appreciate the advice, but fear of losing to Mr. Moneybags made me try to go all out. Thanks for the run! Only issue is rewards, should probably include horse (12.5% I believe); I know Balthazar will want the extra cash, at least. -e
Yitzi 05-20-07, 05:42 PM	whoops, forgot about ally penalty. Fixed (I assumed in my calculation that his political career is a percentage of the total including ally bonus, and rounds down).
Erithmu 05-20-07, 08:13 PM	General Announcement: I am in the last 3 weeks of class and need to focus on school, in addition I am finding myself a little overloaded at the moment w/ CoCo activities. So 1) Can someone pick up Dunerunner vs T'kiir (ECL 3) match, I have tactics and will forward them along. 2) (mostly for hogarth and yitzi) I am sorry that my quests have been behind. I have a paper due Wednesday at 8am that also requires my immediate attention. Hogarth has current priority as he is a couple weeks behind due to a combination of things. Yitzi's I still might be able to have done on time but it depends 100% on the paper. 3) Tactics for Arc hand will be written tonight and sent off, sorry Zevox.
Zevox 05-20-07, 08:15 PM	2) (mostly for hogarth and yitzi) I am sorry that my quests have been behind. I have a paper due Wednesday at 8am that also requires my immediate attention. Hogarth has current priority as he is a couple weeks behind due to a combination of things. Yitzi's I still might be able to have done on time but it depends 100% on the paper. I take it this means I should plan on Mithos' quest being held over? Not a complaint mind you - I know full well how hard the last weeks of school can be ( I just got out not long ago myself), and I understand the ones already behind take priority. Zevox
Erithmu 05-20-07, 08:24 PM	I take it this means I should plan on Mithos' quest being held over? Not a complaint mind you - I know full well how hard the last weeks of school can be ( I just got out not long ago myself), and I understand the ones already behind take priority. ZevoxWelcome to the state of My Brain. In the capital of Panic you will find many things to do that will increase the stress in your life. In the metropolis area of Procrastination there are many distractions that are visited by the people who live in Panic. Other members of the state travel to Denial next to Lake Forgetfulness to let everything wash away. You might find me at the bottom of the lake. I'll post something after I get tactics done ... I hope ... but I need to get Hogarth's done.
templer10 05-20-07, 08:29 PM	katheren VS derregon is done and here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12449916&postcount=879) - i just love it when the fight ends BEFORE i have to deal with the allies.... on another note i can take the dunerunner VS T'kiir so forward tactics to me.
Erithmu 05-20-07, 08:46 PM	on another note i can take the dunerunner VS T'kiir so forward tactics to me. Sent
TelinArtho 05-20-07, 09:41 PM	katheren VS derregon is done and here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12449916&postcount=879) - i just love it when the fight ends BEFORE i have to deal with the allies.... on another note i can take the dunerunner VS T'kiir so forward tactics to me. Two issues: 1. As far as I can tell - Darrgon only used 4 SLs in the fight (Acid Arrow, 2x SMI). It seems you noted Acid Arrow as 3SLs in the fight - so that seems to be the location of the error. 2. In the results - you need to specify what spells were cast. This is an issue I see commonly from pitlords - because it is important to note what has been cast for all types of arcane and divine casters (even spontaneous casters since they only have a certain number of slots per spell level). You can skip this for manifesters since they don't have that limitation - but otherwise it is needed.
Zevox 05-20-07, 09:49 PM	katheren VS derregon is done and here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12449916&postcount=879) - i just love it when the fight ends BEFORE i have to deal with the allies.... on another note i can take the dunerunner VS T'kiir so forward tactics to me. Well, technically Darrgon's summons should have had the chance to attack Kathren to kill her for him, but since she would just cast protections or run away for the 3 rounds it would take them to vanish its no big deal. Thanks for the run. Telin's right about the spells though - need to list them in the wrap-up. In addition to that, Kathren also used a scroll of mage armor that isn't in there now. Otherwise, no changes needed. Zevox
templer10 05-20-07, 10:14 PM	Two issues: 1. As far as I can tell - Darrgon only used 4 SLs in the fight (Acid Arrow, 2x SMI). It seems you noted Acid Arrow as 3SLs in the fight - so that seems to be the location of the error. 2. In the results - you need to specify what spells were cast. This is an issue I see commonly from pitlords - because it is important to note what has been cast for all types of arcane and divine casters (even spontaneous casters since they only have a certain number of slots per spell level). You can skip this for manifesters since they don't have that limitation - but otherwise it is needed. done - i do psionics so much i always have stuck in my head level 2 = 3 pps.
templer10 05-20-07, 10:15 PM	Well, technically Darrgon's summons should have had the chance to attack Kathren to kill her for him, but since she would just cast protections or run away for the 3 rounds it would take them to vanish its no big deal. Thanks for the run. Telin's right about the spells though - need to list them in the wrap-up. In addition to that, Kathren also used a scroll of mage armor that isn't in there now. Otherwise, no changes needed. Zevox fixed- and since you could easly escape the summons i didnt bother with continuing the fight for extra 3 rounds.
templer10 05-21-07, 11:48 AM	dunerunner VS t'kiir is done and here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12454383&postcount=880).
Yitzi 05-21-07, 01:44 PM	Nice, Dunerunner went up to ECL 4, and got two new very useful feats.
Sjiggie 05-21-07, 07:11 PM	@ Templer10 & WaywrethI'm currently running your fight but I don't have the time to finish it now expect it to be run before the deadline. -Sjiggie
Erithmu 05-21-07, 08:28 PM	dunerunner VS t'kiir is done and here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12454383&postcount=880). Thank you for running that for me T10.
McJarvis 05-21-07, 08:53 PM	@Macbrea: Zwei can't be sniping in the TBD vs Zwei fight. Standing is a move-action and sniping is a full-round action.
Zevox 05-21-07, 08:55 PM	@Macbrea: Zwei can't be sniping in the TBD vs Zwei fight. Standing is a move-action and sniping is a full-round action. Technically, sniping is two actions - a standard to shoot and a move to rehide - but you're right that she can't do her stand-shoot-prone tactic with sniping. Zevox
TheMagister 05-21-07, 09:23 PM	nevermind
Yitzi 05-21-07, 09:26 PM	Wait, where does it say that sniping is a FRA (or 2 actions)?
Zevox 05-21-07, 09:36 PM	Wait, where does it say that sniping is a FRA (or 2 actions)? HIDE (DEX; ARMOR CHECK PENALTY) Action: Usually none. Normally, you make a Hide check as part of movement, so it doesn’t take a separate action. However, hiding immediately after a ranged attack (see Sniping, above) is a move action. Zevox
TheMagister 05-21-07, 09:37 PM	I've often considered a psychic warrior sniper. Rapid Shot + Hustle for a move action to hide. Could possibly be nasty.
templer10 05-21-07, 09:43 PM	I've often considered a psychic warrior sniper. Rapid Shot + Hustle for a move action to hide. Could possibly be nasty. Psychic warriors normally dont have that much PPS to be able to do taht more then 2-3 times in a fight. (At best), now a wilder/slayer or just reguler wilder who did the cheesest thing ever and grabbed hustle as an expanded knowladge power (so in level 2) - will give you many more hustles.
TheMagister 05-21-07, 09:48 PM	Looks like the soonest a Psion could get Hustle would be lvl 5 (EK only lets you learn a power one level lower than one you can currently cast, right?). A wilder would get access to it at 4th level. If you go wilder you get fewer powers, but better BAB. If you go Psion you get more powers and better skill points and poorer BAB. Hmmm... TM
Erithmu 05-21-07, 09:50 PM	Looks like the soonest a Psion could get Hustle would be lvl 5 (EK only lets you learn a power one level lower than one you can currently cast, right?). A wilder would get access to it at 4th level. If you go wilder you get fewer powers, but better BAB. If you go Psion you get more powers and better skill points and poorer BAB. Hmmm... TM Yea .. but either way you end up in Slayer ... so it won't be as bad. I would take psion for the int synergy to get a load of skills points ... since hide is cross class for most of those classes anyways.
McJarvis 05-21-07, 09:54 PM	Looks like the soonest a Psion could get Hustle would be lvl 5 (EK only lets you learn a power one level lower than one you can currently cast, right?). A wilder would get access to it at 4th level. If you go wilder you get fewer powers, but better BAB. If you go Psion you get more powers and better skill points and poorer BAB. Hmmm... TM Once we get Mind's Eye stuff incorporated into CoCo it'll be feasible. There is a Wilder variant that lets you trade that volatile thoughts thing for expanded knowledge feats.
TheMagister 05-21-07, 10:01 PM	Did we decide against the "paragon" classes +CL increase applying to Manifesting classes, too?
McJarvis 05-21-07, 10:05 PM	Did we decide against the "paragon" classes +CL increase applying to Manifesting classes, too? Yup-> against it. A level of human still might be worth it, though.
hogarth 05-21-07, 10:07 PM	Did we decide against the "paragon" classes +CL increase applying to Manifesting classes, too? I personally decided "no". It seemed to me that that sort of precedent would allow the Slayer PrC to advance caster levels or the Loremaster PrC to advance manifester levels (for instance), which seems distasteful to me. I don't know what the rest of "us" decided, although Sauro was keen on it, I think.
McJarvis 05-21-07, 10:08 PM	I personally believe the answer is "no". It seemed to me that that sort of precedent would allow the Slayer PrC to advance caster levels or the Loremaster PrC to advance manifester level (for instance), which seems distasteful to me. I don't know what the rest of "us" decided, although Sauro was keen on it, I think. The answer is a solid no given that we'll be incorporating Mind's Eye stuff eventually. UA is mostly for non-psionic, and Mind's Eye will be mostly for psionic.
Erithmu 05-21-07, 10:11 PM	Of course if you get the mind's eye stuff in I think we see a splurge of Psi Rogues
TheMagister 05-21-07, 10:13 PM	Yup-> against it. A level of human still might be worth it, though. That'd allow me to choose Hide as a class skill, right?
Erithmu 05-21-07, 10:19 PM	That'd allow me to choose Hide as a class skill, right? Yup
NiQil 05-21-07, 10:21 PM	@ Mitza: Any word on Apocalypse vs Kai Engel? And did you get the last minute change to my tactics (to correct an illegal tactic I had initially written)?
SauroGrenom 05-21-07, 10:21 PM	I personally decided "no". It seemed to me that that sort of precedent would allow the Slayer PrC to advance caster levels or the Loremaster PrC to advance manifester levels (for instance), which seems distasteful to me. I don't know what the rest of "us" decided, although Sauro was keen on it, I think. Actually MWB was keen on it.
MindWandererB 05-21-07, 10:25 PM	I personally decided "no". It seemed to me that that sort of precedent would allow the Slayer PrC to advance caster levels or the Loremaster PrC to advance manifester levels (for instance), which seems distasteful to me. I don't know what the rest of "us" decided, although Sauro was keen on it, I think. I actually don't recall coming to a formal decision... I think it was one of those discussions that just got sidetracked. In my home games, I read "manifester level" as "psionic caster level." So a bonus to "caster level" would apply to psionic characters, but a bonus to "manifester level" would apply only to psionic characters (just like a bonus to "arcane caster level" would apply only to wizards, sorcs, bards, etc. and not divine casters). I'm fine either way--but I don't see the inclusion of Mind's Eye as fixing the problem. It doesn't add a lot of what's "missing" from both UA and the core books.
McJarvis 05-21-07, 10:31 PM	I'm fine either way--but I don't see the inclusion of Mind's Eye as fixing the problem. It doesn't add a lot of what's "missing" from both UA and the core books. Well, the alternate races are not the problem. The variant classes-> Well, the Mind's Eye has got that. New Paragon classes are kind of similar to new prestige classes-> and the Mind's Eye has got a ton of new prestige // one base class for the psionic characters. I think that's pretty even.
hogarth 05-21-07, 10:46 PM	In my home games, I read "manifester level" as "psionic caster level." So a bonus to "caster level" would apply to psionic characters, but a bonus to "manifester level" would apply only to psionic characters (just like a bonus to "arcane caster level" would apply only to wizards, sorcs, bards, etc. and not divine casters). So for the record, you wouldn't mind having psionic Loremasters (another "+1 caster level" class) in the Core Coliseum? For my home game, I would probably allow psionic conversions of classes on a case-by-case basis, but I wouldn't allow blanket equivalences.
McJarvis 05-21-07, 10:53 PM	So for the record, you wouldn't mind having psionic Loremasters (another "+1 caster level" class) in the Core Coliseum? For my home game, I would probably allow psionic conversions of classes on a case-by-case basis, but I wouldn't allow blanket equivalences. Hmm...Red Wizard Cerebremancers....ArchPsions?
MindWandererB 05-21-07, 10:58 PM	So for the record, you wouldn't mind having psionic Loremasters (another "+1 caster level" class) in the Core Coliseum? For my home game, I would probably allow psionic conversions of classes on a case-by-case basis, but I wouldn't allow blanket equivalences. For my home game, I'd allow it in a second. For the CoCo, let's take a look at the prereqs: Skills: Knowledge (any two) 10 ranks in each. Feats: Any three metamagic or item creation feats, plus Skill Focus (Knowledge [any individual Knowledge skill]). Spells: Able to cast seven different divination spells, one of which must be 3rd level or higher.Although the divination spell requirement could be met with clairsentience powers due to the transparency rules, the metamagic feat requirement could definitely not be met with metapsionics. But since item creation feats count as well, then a psionic character could potentially qualify. Note: This is true without any resolution on this particular question at all. A psion could meet the prereqs for loremaster. What's debatable is whether or not that would be a good idea (i.e. if the caster level increases would help. In this case, yes, I'd have no problem with psions being able to become Loremasters. As written, "newfound arcana" would have no effect, and converting it to PP would require a small house rule, but that would be the only bobble. Loremaster is the only PrC I see that would be an issue; although Thaumaturgists and Arcane Tricksters would also be able to improve manifesting abilities by this ruling; they have moderately steep casting requirements for other classes.
McJarvis 05-21-07, 11:01 PM	Loremaster is the only PrC I see that would be an issue; although Thaumaturgists and Arcane Tricksters would also be able to improve manifesting abilities by this ruling; they have moderately steep casting requirements for other classes. Arcane Tricksters really don't. Just far-hand and 3rd level spells, which if you're allowing Loremasters to do than surely Arcane tricksters could do. Though, a expanded dorjes of crystal shard wielding uber-hider just sends the willies down my spine.
templer10 05-21-07, 11:07 PM	Arcane Tricksters really don't. Just far-hand and 3rd level spells, which if you're allowing Loremasters to do than surely Arcane tricksters could do. Though, a expanded dorjes of crystal shard wielding uber-hider just sends the willies down my spine. that's already possible - just not very efficient - rogue 1/psion 6/shadowdancer 1/psion X - you lose 2 manifester levels but get hide in plain sight. and if you grab chameleon you could be sitting on +26 to hide assuming dex 18 and a lot more with +skill custom items.
Hirumajoe 05-22-07, 07:40 AM	that's already possible - just not very efficient - rogue 1/psion 6/shadowdancer 1/psion X - you lose 2 manifester levels but get hide in plain sight. and if you grab chameleon you could be sitting on +26 to hide assuming dex 18 and a lot more with +skill custom items. Valen Sky is already kinda doing this. Without the rogue levels and sneak attack. He's going Ranger 2/Psion 4/Slayer 4/Shadow Dancer 2/Slayer +6/Psion +2. So he gets Cerebral Blind and Hide in Plain Sight.
McJarvis 05-22-07, 08:25 AM	that's already possible - just not very efficient - rogue 1/psion 6/shadowdancer 1/psion X - you lose 2 manifester levels but get hide in plain sight. and if you grab chameleon you could be sitting on +26 to hide assuming dex 18 and a lot more with +skill custom items. It's the SA progression that makes it super-dangerous. With your build you don't have that.
Yitzi 05-22-07, 08:32 AM	3 and a half hours after deadline to submit fights, and 5 fights, including one of mine, are not finished yet (so MitzaVolchenkoX2, Malither76, Sjiggie, Erithmu, and Macbrea take late penalties). And I'll be unavailable tonight and tomorrow, so I can't wait for it to go up 3 hours before time rolls like they sometimes do.
waywreth 05-22-07, 08:49 AM	@ Templer10 & WaywrethI'm currently running your fight but I don't have the time to finish it now expect it to be run before the deadline. -Sjiggie Thank you for the update!
templer10 05-22-07, 08:52 AM	btw- iam bored out of my skull so i can take another fight if someone needs.
McJarvis 05-22-07, 09:10 AM	3 and a half hours after deadline to submit fights, and 5 fights, including one of mine, are not finished yet (so MitzaVolchenkoX2, Malither76, Sjiggie, Erithmu, and Macbrea take late penalties). And I'll be unavailable tonight and tomorrow, so I can't wait for it to go up 3 hours before time rolls like they sometimes do. Deadline to submit fights is not for another 6 hours as of this post. No need to jump down people's throats, you know. edit-> If you're patient enough, I'd suggest running four characters & switch them out from week to week. That way you're unaffected by pitlords getting bogged down. [This is largely my strategy, and I found it to be nice since you can be more patient with pitlords] double edit-> I'm guessing there will be no penalty on the Zwei vs TBD fight since it was pending a rules clarification. That and I doubt any of the parties involved care if it's held over.
Macbrea 05-22-07, 10:53 AM	It's very likely to be done anyways... as I am working on it today and tonight. At the rate it's going.. it could take quite a few rounds.
McJarvis 05-22-07, 11:01 AM	It's likely the fight will get held over. I don't understand why Tessero can't jump over to the statue island while large-> he could easily squeeze upon landing after a jump. There's plenty of fights that have been run this way in the past, & TM/myself didn't get a chance to write tactics according to whatever was decided about the statue in the council. Having Tessero simply sit there & wait for Zwei to run out of arrows for twenty+ rounds is completely unreasonable. [Our team isn't made of money for wands, after all]
Macbrea 05-22-07, 11:12 AM	Then argue that fight. I ran what I have.
Yitzi 05-22-07, 11:35 AM	Deadline to submit fights is not for another 6 hours as of this post. No need to jump down people's throats, you know. Pitlords must post fights due Tuesday 9 AM GMT, it is currently about 3:30 p.m. GMT.
McJarvis 05-22-07, 11:38 AM	quoterules thread, under starting out-deadlines The rule has changed-> There is a deadline at which time your assigned fight must be posted on the fights thread, in proper shape. This deadline is Tuesday 9 PM GMT It's better to check the official rules for Pitlords when it comes to Pitlord-y things. Report this in the massive changes thread, I suppose.
Rauul 05-22-07, 11:40 AM	[quote=rules thread, under starting out-deadlines]Pitlords must post fights due Tuesday 9 AM GMT[/post], it is currently about 3:30 p.m. GMT. That was changed when MwB took over as he is not in GMT but PST... if thats not the case then i will take the hit in credits.... dun matter to me one way or the other
TelinArtho 05-22-07, 11:54 AM	@MacBrea - it seems to me that Cupid successfully activates the wand in round 16 (DC20 check - roll was 1d20+10=20). If it does activate and does 3+ damage - the fight would be over long before the round 274 mark...
MitzaVolchenko 05-22-07, 12:06 PM	3 and a half hours after deadline to submit fights, and 5 fights, including one of mine, are not finished yet (so MitzaVolchenkoX2, Malither76, Sjiggie, Erithmu, and Macbrea take late penalties). And I'll be unavailable tonight and tomorrow, so I can't wait for it to go up 3 hours before time rolls like they sometimes do. Thought deadline was in the evening...either way my fights will be up...had the bad luck to have my treatement pushed to Friday whichleft me sick much of the weekend :)
Rauul 05-22-07, 12:26 PM	Both my miniquests are done... Silly sleep casting and sleep poison using things... made then very anticlimatic... go for a snooze and read them in questlogs.. EHTC has 2 new members now..
Macbrea 05-22-07, 01:06 PM	Sorry.. thought it was 20+spell level.. fixing that now.
McJarvis 05-22-07, 01:09 PM	Sorry.. thought it was 20+spell level.. fixing that now. In round 33 Cupid was at less than half hp & used her magic missile wand at Zwei. Instead she should have healed, unless her CLW wand was out of charges.[I didn't count] - edit-> Of course, I see the fight was over by that point now. Whatever....
MindWandererB 05-22-07, 01:17 PM	Re: Deadline changes: I didn't change anything. All I did was translate CET (which was meaningful only to Cat, Dracazar, Pittbull, and any other Europeans, who to my knowledge are gone now) to PST/EST. Looking through the rules, the deadlines have apparently been changed several times, and kept inconsistent. The actual deadline for everything (fights, quests, and yes, miniquests), is 9 PM GMT, a little less than four hours from now. I'll go through and fix them all.
Sjiggie 05-22-07, 01:18 PM	Lord Lorian vs Matthis Dar'arth III is up I'll edit the rewards in within a few minutes please check for errors. -Sjiggie
Sjiggie 05-22-07, 01:20 PM	Re: Deadline changes: I didn't change anything. All I did was translate CET (which was meaningful only to Cat, Dracazar, Pittbull, and any other Europeans, who to my knowledge are gone now) to PST/EST. Looking through the rules, the deadlines have apparently been changed several times, and kept inconsistent. The actual deadline for everything (fights, quests, and yes, miniquests), is 9 PM GMT, a little less than four hours from now. I'll go through and fix them all. Good to know but I'm a european to to be specific I'm Dutch and thus live in the GMT timezone so the changes in timezone confused me a bit but it is good to known that the actual time didn't change:)
waywreth 05-22-07, 01:27 PM	Lord Lorian vs Matthis Dar'arth III is up I'll edit the rewards in within a few minutes please check for errors. -Sjiggie About what I expected to happen... no worries here. I'm picking up dispel magic next level. Please post the rewards at your earliest convenience. Edit: Stupid owl never does anything useful!
MindWandererB 05-22-07, 01:35 PM	Good to know but I'm a european to to be specific I'm Dutch and thus live in the GMT timezone so the changes in timezone confused me a bit but it is good to known that the actual time didn't change:) My apologies for unintentionally excluding you. But even for you, bear in mind that "official" GMT doesn't change for Daylight Savings/Summer Time, so you'll be off by an hour half the year (I think).
Sjiggie 05-22-07, 01:41 PM	About what I expected to happen... no worries here. I'm picking up dispel magic next level. Please post the rewards at your earliest convenience. Edit: Stupid owl never does anything useful! Rewards are up My apologies for unintentionally excluding you. But even for you, bear in mind that "official" GMT doesn't change for Daylight Savings/Summer Time, so you'll be off by an hour half the year (I think). No need to apologize don't know about that Summer/Winter time will have to look it up
Usurpator 05-22-07, 01:48 PM	Okay, I am not sure if you wanted me to use the glaive or drop it to grapple. Please make that clear next time. Don't worry, you ran it near perfectly. The confusion sprang from the fact that I didn't repeat that a PC (as far as I know) doesn't actually need to grapple 'with his hands', and since a Monk's whole body can attack, Namara can simply start the grapple with her legs while still holding the Glaive in both hands. I wanted to grapple, but wanted to use a Glaive to see if I can do some extra damage on the first blow. You never know when such things might matter...
MitzaVolchenko 05-22-07, 01:51 PM	Namara vs. Kazero is up. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12465123&postcount=883)
Macbrea 05-22-07, 01:58 PM	Battlesong Duet vs Zwei is up.
Usurpator 05-22-07, 02:01 PM	Namara vs. Kazero is up. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12465123&postcount=883) Thanks for running it! @Usurpator You must add a prebuff section to your character sheet stating that your horse is with you. I am disallowing the horse because it is not properly pre-buffed. I know, just was confused with the new format of the requirements, it used to be that you were required to note your prebuffs only in the 3FC section, and not in a separate section (although that was the rule before the 3FC). I actually specifically did not want to bring my horse to the fight, since I didn't see any characters in the ECL 3 league that would require the use of a horse. And rather win fights without the use of a horse if said horse doesn't fit with the my character concept. More fun that way. And horses definitely don't fit Namara's character concept. She just has one as a kind of 'insurance policy' against other nasty horse users. I'm not as noble as NiQil to principally refuse the use of horses where unappropriate. Fortunately, none of the ECL3 gladiators forced me to take out this policy. :)
Abyssal Stalker 05-22-07, 02:22 PM	Re: Deadline changes: I didn't change anything. All I did was translate CET (which was meaningful only to Cat, Dracazar, Pittbull, and any other Europeans, who to my knowledge are gone now) to PST/EST. Hey, I'm still here too :) Edit: But I am on the East European time zone which is 2 or 3 hours ahead of GMT, depending on the time of the year.
MitzaVolchenko 05-22-07, 03:36 PM	Apocalypse vs. Kai Engel is here. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12466046&postcount=885) that one really should make the Gladius weekly...really it had Rauul and I chuckling.
Zevox 05-22-07, 03:41 PM	Apocalypse vs. Kai Engel is here. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12466046&postcount=885) that one really should make the Gladius weekly...really it had Rauul and I chuckling. Didn't NiQil ask to use his dorje of energy ray, not his pp from memory, after those energy missiles were launched? Zevox
Hirumajoe 05-22-07, 03:42 PM	That would be due to the fact that Kai Engel broke it (admittedly with a small Adamantine Greatsword, but still...), making it hard to use. Edit: Thanks for the run. Also thanks for the reminder that dismissible spells take an action to do. Sorry about that. And I did tell Niqil to get that character a weapon, but did he listen... Nooo.... :)
Rauul 05-22-07, 03:46 PM	Apocalypse vs. Kai Engel is here. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=12466046&postcount=885) that one really should make the Gladius weekly...really it had Rauul and I chuckling. Acually i was sitting here picturing the reduced Kai swinging with the "greatsword" and The punching Apocalypse saying get away from me you little bastard... i was laughing so hard i was crying...
templer10 05-22-07, 03:48 PM	Didn't NiQil ask to use his dorje of energy ray, not his pp from memory, after those energy missiles were launched? Zevox NM.
Zevox 05-22-07, 03:49 PM	That would be due to the fact that Kai Engel broke it (admittedly with a small Adamantine Greatsword, but still...), making it hard to use. Ah, I see now. Okay then, not much he can do about that. Should've taken my advice and at least picked up a freakin' FREE quarterstaff... Zevox
TheMagister 05-22-07, 07:04 PM	Round 12 Zwei stands takes a 5ft step away from Tessero, shoots at Cupid and falls prone. --Ranged attack: 1d20+10 = 18, Miss Cupid waves wand at Zwei. -- Use Magic Device check: 1d20+10=27, Damage: 5 Tessero double moves around lava to get to spot he can swing at Zwei. http://www.hwx.it/coco/coco.php;v=1;map=temple;a=Zwei,M,15,16,1 6,16;b=Cupd,M,5,7;c=Tess,L,11,16,11,20,1 5,20;d=Eqal,L,3,7,Prone;o=dark,16,15,4;s tyle=s;opacity=75 Zwei (19,21) 29/36 hp 22 (-4 prone, +4 cover) AC: Inertial armor, Darkness, Arrows [25/33] Cupid (5,7) 28/29 hp 17(21) AC 4/6 sp: resist cold 10, regular cover Tessero (15,20) 44/44 hp 22 AC 4/6 pp: Force screen, resist cold 10, Offensive Precognition +1, expansion --Equalizer (3,7) 22/22 hp 20 AC: resist cold 10 @Macbrea or anyone knowledgable - can someone explain to me why an enlarged Tessero who is wielding a reach weapon (glaive) could not reach 20' away to hit Zwei? TM
Macbrea 05-22-07, 07:33 PM	Because I stopped moving him around the base. each time he double moves to the next side she only had to take a 5ft step toward the opposite side of the 10x10x15 statue to have full cover. http://www.hwx.it/coco/coco.php;v=1;map=arena;a=Name,M,10,45;b= Name,L,8,47;c=Name,M,13,49;style=s Hmm, is that 20ft or 25ft as I thought it was..
TheMagister 05-22-07, 07:47 PM	http://www.hwx.it/coco/coco.php;v=1;map=arena;a=Lava,L,10,45,la va;b=Tess,L,8,47,Tessero;c=Zwei,M,13,49, Zwei;los=8,47,13,49,4 Zwei has cover when she moves 5' away (which Tessero was prepared to deal with anyways). Please add in some glaive strikes on those rounds when Tessero "does nothing" (which I am shocked that you did).
Macbrea 05-22-07, 07:59 PM	Actually, by the rules of cover she has cover when she stands at the edge. because if any corner of blues square crosses any corner of greens square through cover she has cover.
MindWandererB 05-22-07, 08:04 PM	Actually, by the rules of cover she has cover when she stands at the edge. because if any corner of blues square crosses any corner of greens square through cover she has cover. Yes, but not total cover. There's no way for her to have total cover from a 10' tall character here--TM's cross-section illustration shows it nicely.
Macbrea 05-22-07, 08:29 PM	By the template for Large Tall with reach on page 308 of the DMG she cannot be hit with a reach weapon from a large tall creature. I would assume a humanoid is large tall vs large long.
TheMagister 05-22-07, 08:37 PM	I don't understand what you mean. I see the template, but it only agrees with what I'm telling you. Tessero can reach 4 squares while expanded and wielding a reach weapon. Counting the squares from Tessero's space to Zwei's space, we get 4 squares. Therefore, Tessero can reach her. I don't understand what's confusing you.
MindWandererB 05-22-07, 08:37 PM	By the template for Large Tall with reach on page 308 of the DMG she cannot be hit with a reach weapon from a large tall creature. I would assume a humanoid is large tall vs large long. Oh... right, I forgot that only the first corner is "free." It's odd that she's 10' further than a 10' reach can get to, but she's considered 25' away. @TM: I count 5 squares. Two diagonals and two horizontals makes five.
Erithmu 05-22-07, 08:39 PM	Remember to account for Tessero's height of 10ft as well. reaching 20ft out and 5 ft up? (I might be missing stuff)
Macbrea 05-22-07, 08:41 PM	The template looks like: http://www.hwx.it/coco/coco.php;v=1;map=arena;a=Name,M,10,45;b= Name,L,8,47;c=Name,M,13,49;d=Name,G,7,51 ;e=Name,C,5,50;f=Name,G,10,48;style=s;op acity=50 Exactly how does that agree?
MitzaVolchenko 05-22-07, 08:41 PM	Yes, but not total cover. There's no way for her to have total cover from a 10' tall character here--TM's cross-section illustration shows it nicely. I'll be kind and not demand spot checks for Tessero to even target her with an attack since she did have cover (and concealment from darkness). Then we can make Macbrea go back and add in miss chance rolls too for each attack assuming that Tessero managed a spot. Take your victory and be happy about it, guys :) And stop with the confusiticating maps...blonde is tired and hates trying to visualize one map overlayed onto another :P
TheMagister 05-22-07, 08:42 PM	AH! I think I see your confusion! Read pg. 149 of the PHB, "Big and Little Creatures in Combat" and that should clear it up for you. Basically, the only thing that you count are the "squares", you don't do the 5' => 15' thing, exactly. You'll see. TM
Macbrea 05-22-07, 08:43 PM	Remember to account for Tessero's height of 10ft as well. reaching 20ft out and 5 ft up? (I might be missing stuff) Our views are side viiews.. My last one takes the template from page 308 of the DMG and applies reach weapon to it for a large(tall) creature.
Macbrea 05-22-07, 08:46 PM	Are the templates in the back of the DMG correct, yes or no?
TheMagister 05-22-07, 08:49 PM	The template looks like: http://www.hwx.it/coco/coco.php;v=1;map=arena;a=Name,M,10,45;b= Name,L,8,47;c=Name,M,13,49;d=Name,G,7,51 ;e=Name,C,5,50;f=Name,G,10,48;style=s;op acity=50 Exactly how does that agree? You're not thinking in 3D, I don't think. Lessee...you're always supposed to use the shortest distance: http://www.hwx.it/coco/coco.php;v=1;map=arena;a=Lava,L,10,45,la va;b=Tess,L,8,47,tessero;c=Zwei,M,13,49, zwei;d=one,F,10,48,one;e=two,F,11,49,two ;f=thre,F,12,49,three That's four squares. Reach ignores the "diagonals count as 15'" rule.
MindWandererB 05-22-07, 08:53 PM	I see the confusion. Yes, the templates are correct. The only exception to the rule that 2 squares of diagonal distance=15 feet is with a reach of exactly 10 feet. Beyond that, you use the normal distance rules. So 1 diagonal square is 5 feet, and 2 is 10 feet, but a 3rd square (diagonal or not) is 20 feet.
Macbrea 05-22-07, 08:55 PM	The template I used is called and I will quote: Large [tall] Space: 2 squares [10feet] Reach: 2 squares [10feet] With Reach weapon : 4 squares [20feet] I am pretty sure that is the correct template to use and all templates are considered three dimensional.
TheMagister 05-22-07, 09:03 PM	I see the confusion. Yes, the templates are correct. The only exception to the rule that 2 squares of diagonal distance=15 feet is with a reach of exactly 10 feet. Beyond that, you use the normal distance rules. So 1 diagonal square is 5 feet, and 2 is 10 feet, but a 3rd square (diagonal or not) is 20 feet. Oh, wow. Is that boneheaded or what? Well, at least have him shoot his bow, or something. Just standing there is pretty dumb. How about using Cupid's whip to disarm her? ANYTHING.
Macbrea 05-22-07, 09:09 PM	A single bow shot vs a monk with deflect arrows was a waste of resources when cupid was still fighting. Cupids whip is 15ft reach but cupid would have to come down there instead of applying damage to Zwei. Tessero could run up and grab the undersized whip that he isn't proficient in at -6 to hit with it. But this then becomes a crazy improvisation for the pitlord.
MitzaVolchenko 05-22-07, 09:10 PM	Oh, wow. Is that boneheaded or what? Well, at least have him shoot his bow, or something. Just standing there is pretty dumb. How about using Cupid's whip to disarm her? ANYTHING. She deflects, but I would be happy for Cupid to walk over and hand him the whip. I am fine with more rounds in which to damage them while Cupid moves over :)
Macbrea 05-22-07, 09:11 PM	Also. I am not sure the reach of a medium sized whip in a large creaturs hands. I think it's still 15ft reach. By the FAQ.
Macbrea 05-22-07, 09:12 PM	Win is still a win for you guys right?
Guildmaster (WAR) 05-22-07, 09:13 PM	Okay, I give up. (NOT frustrated. Resigned that I made a tactical error in my thought patterns and now I have to live with it.) Asking for the "ready to shoot her when she's shooting" thing would be too much, I guess. Have Tessero walk over and give Soft Cover to Cupid, then. At least he's doing something. Edit: ACK! Wrong acct.!
Macbrea 05-22-07, 09:18 PM	Good god you guys complain.. you used 270gp worth of charges on level 1 wands. to gain 3k worth of gold?
MitzaVolchenko 05-22-07, 09:26 PM	Okay, I give up. (NOT frustrated. Resigned that I made a tactical error in my thought patterns and now I have to live with it.) Asking for the "ready to shoot her when she's shooting" thing would be too much, I guess. Have Tessero walk over and give Soft Cover to Cupid, then. At least he's doing something. Edit: ACK! Wrong acct.! I love ya TM...quit whinging. You got a solid win that cost me almost as much in expendables as it cost you...and do not get me started on just how much like a broken cohort relationship that team is...
TheMagister 05-22-07, 09:27 PM	I love ya TM...quit whinging. You got a solid win that cost me almost as much in expendables as it cost you...and do not get me started on just how much like a broken cohort relationship that team is... I'm not l33t enough. Exactly what is "whinging"? Sorry about the complaining, Mac. You don't have to do it. It's not your money, after all... ;)
MitzaVolchenko 05-22-07, 09:30 PM	I'm not l33t enough. Exactly what is "whinging"? Sorry about the complaining, Mac. You don't have to do it. It's not your money, after all... ;) Sorry...too much time on TS with the Brits...'whinging'=whining.
templer10 05-22-07, 09:32 PM	Good god you guys complain.. you used 270gp worth of charges on level 1 wands. to gain 3k worth of gold? pff - i wish any fight of mine only cost 270g sigh - but then my style always been - when in doubt - throw money on the problem until it dies - usually works. :D
Macbrea 05-22-07, 09:39 PM	Technically.. it cost them alittle more.. they also used 3 charges of a resist energy wand. But that was in the tactics for the first three turns of Cupid. Everything later is based off 'if hps drop below half heal' (7 charge CL 1) and 'if cupid cannot reach opponent with whip, blast with wand of magic missles' (11 charges CL 1)
McJarvis 05-22-07, 09:49 PM	I said I'd be quiet, but I guess I lied. All @Mac: Here's the deal: Tessero did nothing for 30 rounds. This is completely unacceptable no matter what way you look at it. Especially given that his tactics were to engage Zwei in melee, he could have easily dismissed the expansion & made the jump to the island. This would have been better than nothing. Cupid could have dropped prone to add on to her AC from cover AC. You could have had tessero ready shots for when Zwei was shooting. Tessero could have taken the whip & used that to attack. There was alot that could have been done-> but you did nothing. nothing. This goes beyond "Well, you didn't specify it in your tactics"-> there is no way to account for everything in tactics. You can't just not improvise and stick it to the players when it's this dramatic. What do we see on the other end? Despite a lack of tactics involving sniping, we see you trying to add sniping into Mitza's tactics(even though this was illegal, your intent was still there). Can you really blame us for feeling like you hosed us on the "using up all our wand charges" end of things? From all appearances you came upon a battle where you perceived Zwei as having a disadvantage & wanted to help her out-> or worse, you wanted to run out some of TBD's money, as you are so adamant about using your own characters to do to others. [See Wand of Magic Missile vs Brooch of Shielding] Needless to say: I really think you handled this unfairly for no good reason. It ended up being Cupid vs Zwei & Cupid won, but had to spend extra gp b/c you just arbitrarily removed Tessero from the equation.
Macbrea 05-22-07, 09:53 PM	Very well. I will go back to the round he couldn't reach her drop his expansion. Which I felt was a horrid waste of an expendable in your case. And jump the lava. Even though your tactics suggest you wish to fight from outside the lava. I will then attempt to climb up to her position and see if she is able to bull rush tessero off the statue. This should check curiosity on wether it was possible. Normally. if someone puts up a half hour long expansion and cannot be hurt during that entire half hour by an opponent. I would not later disadvantage them by taking down the buff the put up. It was to his advantage that he have the buff up.
McJarvis 05-22-07, 09:55 PM	Very well. I will go back to the round he couldn't reach her drop his expansion. Which I felt was a horrid waste of an expendable in your case. And jump the lava. Even though your tactics suggest you wish to fight from outside the lava. I will then attempt to climb up to her position and see if she is able to bull rush tessero off the statue. This should check curiosity on wether it was possible. Normally. if someone puts up a half hour long expansion and cannot be hurt during that entire half hour by an opponent. I would not later disadvantage them by taking down the buff the put up. It was to his advantage that he have the buff up. Not if he couldn't do anything with it. All the same-> thanks for your time. I know the inclination in these kind of matters is to say "tough luck"[especially so late in the week!], so anything you give us is greatly appreciated :)
Rauul 05-22-07, 10:00 PM	Not if he couldn't do anything with it. All the same-> thanks for your time. I know the inclination in these kind of matters is to say "tough luck"[especially so late in the week!], so anything you give us is greatly appreciated :) Well i don't know about mac... but my first inclination was to ask you where on your tactics you say to dismiss a power (standard action) second was to to ask you what good is tripping gonna do you when she is already prone... but thats just me..
NiQil 05-22-07, 10:05 PM	That would be due to the fact that Kai Engel broke it (admittedly with a small Adamantine Greatsword, but still...), making it hard to use. Edit: Thanks for the run. Also thanks for the reminder that dismissible spells take an action to do. Sorry about that. And I did tell Niqil to get that character a weapon, but did he listen... Nooo.... :) This character wasn't really designed to be successful in the arena. He has the potential to be, but he wasn't designed that way. I have been wanting to make a character who relies solely on the elements for his damage for quite some time...just never put it down on paper. And besides....if even one of those last 2 energy rays had hit, he still would have won. Just had crappy dice.
McJarvis 05-22-07, 10:09 PM	This character wasn't really designed to be successful in the arena. He has the potential to be, but he wasn't designed that way. I have been wanting to make a character who relies solely on the elements for his damage for quite some time...just never put it down on paper. And besides....if even one of those last 2 energy rays had hit, he still would have won. Just had crappy dice. Remember: It's just not a NiQil character unless he's handicapping himself in some way ;)
NiQil 05-22-07, 10:17 PM	Remember: It's just not a NiQil character unless he's handicapping himself in some way ;) There may actually be something to that....but I am still fairly successful even without all of the stuff I refuse to use (expendables, healing, allies, etc). Imagine what I could do if I played it your way :P
McJarvis 05-22-07, 10:18 PM	There may actually be something to that....but I am still fairly successful even without all of the stuff I refuse to use (expendables, healing, allies, etc). Imagine what I could do if I played it your way :P Yet another reason I appreciate you handicapping yourself ;)
Macbrea 05-22-07, 10:47 PM	Well. edited.. Tessero ended with less hps and a desire to train greater then a climb of 1d20-2 when needing 2 successful climb checks to climb 15ft.
TheMagister 05-22-07, 11:09 PM	...which is why I didn't push for the climbing strat...it was a losing proposition. Providing soft cover and just playing meatshield while Cupid went prone would've been much better. You're done Mac. Thanks for all your hard work! TM
Macbrea 05-23-07, 01:01 AM	If it makes you feel any better. 11 charges from a wand of magic missile caster level 1 = 11d4+11 damage. Average damages = (2.5 x 11) + 11 = 38.6 Zwei has 36 hps. 10d4+10 ~ 35 damage You rolled average on those shots.