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TelinArtho 11-01-06, 02:57 PM	Fights of the Week: November 1st Sheets Deadline for editing characters sheets is 21:00 CET. Central European Time (http://wwp.centraleuropeantime.eu/) shows the time. Please don't edit the sheet after the deadline or you will lose the match. Rules of Gladius All that you need to know is written in the Rules of Gladius. It could be useful also to give a look to the Court Decisions part 1 and part 2. Please do not make fake accounts or insult the Elders. Pairings GM Caterane will pair the active Characters of Gladius after the deadline. Make sure that your character is not in Prison (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=571107&goto=lastpost). Pitlording You should use the CoCo Dice Roller (http://www.hwx.it/wizards.com) for the fight. If you need, there is a nice Template ready to use that will help. You could find very useful the Battle Map Tag Generator (http://www.hwx.it/coco) for dynamic Maps, You must post a link to your fight in this thread when it is complete. Other useful links are Skills and Feats, Quick Access tables for XP and Gold. If a fight needs to be rerun, the Pitlord has to inform the Pitlords account. He cannot react to requests from Players because the other player and the pitlord might disagree. He has no time to read the fight and the discussion. Please keep that in mind. PMs from players with rerun requests won't have an impact. Recent News and Developments TBA Comments & Concerns Post any comments or concerns for this weeks fights in this thread. Be kind and courteous to your fellow posters, don't attack pitlords. Please remember that they do hard work and consume a lot of time to let you play and above all, have FUN! If you have questions or comments on any of the changes, please make your posts be heard in the Council of Gladius!
Zelck 11-01-06, 03:30 PM	Oh, shucks. Walden's getting a monster fight :(.
TelinArtho 11-01-06, 03:35 PM	Oh, shucks. Walden's getting a monster fight :(. Not necessarily true - he could be paired up in an interleague. Sir Valkin would've been active if it weren't for the 2 guild actions I have to deal with this week, plus Jar-red's fight... I didn't plan on having three characters active - but that's the way it goes sometimes (well 4 if you count the druid I have training...) Against Sir Valkin- it would be interesting as he could turn you with a turn check of 19 or higher and that's pretty much an auto-loss for you. Since his bonus is only +4 though - he'd probably have to use a fair amount of his 6 available turn attempts...
Zelck 11-01-06, 03:52 PM	Nope, none of the ECL 6 characters are active either.
McJarvis 11-01-06, 04:23 PM	Congrats guys. Pairings are posted and I still have 2 more fights I had offered to run ;)
Erithmu 11-01-06, 04:31 PM	I have to say .... McJarvis ... you now have your work cut out for you with the guild roll ... too much paperwork in getting your guild. I'll be lurking around here, but I'm on and off vacation for the next two weeks.
Hirumajoe 11-01-06, 04:39 PM	Anything special I need to do as a pitlord for a guild interception, or do I just run it exactly like a normal fight? Thanks, Hirumajoe
hogarth 11-01-06, 04:39 PM	Who did NiQil and MindWandererB have to bribe in order to get two active characters this week? ;) I thought we were being limited to one apiece. Or was that just a suggestion?
McJarvis 11-01-06, 04:41 PM	I have to say .... McJarvis ... you now have your work cut out for you with the guild roll ... too much paperwork in getting your guild. I'll be lurking around here, but I'm on and off vacation for the next two weeks. We'll see about that. I don't anticipate it(guild work) taking too much time out of my Pitlording schedule...and hopefully I'll be able to get a good right-hand-man on the guild side of things once they get going. I already have a plan of attack and everything :D
Erithmu 11-01-06, 04:46 PM	We'll see about that. I don't anticipate it(guild work) taking too much time out of my Pitlording schedule...and hopefully I'll be able to get a good right-hand-man on the guild side of things once they get going. I already have a plan of attack and everything :D And you missed my point completely ... Look at the guild effect at the top of the pairings.
Zevox 11-01-06, 05:02 PM	Anything special I need to do as a pitlord for a guild interception, or do I just run it exactly like a normal fight? Thanks, Hirumajoe Just like a normal fight. But in this particular match, since its between characters of uneven levels, the rewards will be a bit different (theres a couple of tables in the rules to help with that), and the lower level character (Indrithia) gets one surprise round. Who did NiQil and MindWandererB have to bribe in order to get two active characters this week? ;) I thought we were being limited to one apiece. Or was that just a suggestion? Well, last time a SoE hit we were limited to one apiece plus one for every fight we pitlorded. It seems that isn't being followed too strictly this time, but it would explain MWB at least. Though I technically have quite the number active - granted all but one are because they have to be active for Guild stuff, but even so not counting my campaigner and quester I have 3 plus my uncon character when pitlording only one fight. And I've noticed that my brother has 2 active while pitlording nothing, so it seems its currently being treated as a suggestion. @ McJarvis - Yeah, that random event just hurt your Guild damn badly before it even got going. Good luck indeed getting going with the EYE's resources and that... ouch. Anyway, I need to leave for a late class in about an hour, but when I get back I'll roll up Walden's monster and post what he knows about it. Zevox
TelinArtho 11-01-06, 05:04 PM	Anything special I need to do as a pitlord for a guild interception, or do I just run it exactly like a normal fight? Thanks, Hirumajoe Just like a normal fight. Tactics will be away shortly.
Pitlords 11-01-06, 05:06 PM	Pairings done It was still close; only 1 pitlord left and 2 extra fights from McJarvis. I think we're keeping the SoE up for some time. +7: Vathelokai +6: Caterane +3: TheMagister, King Uther +2: Abyssal, Kaigan, McJarivs, Zevox, Sauro, Mindwanderer +1: Gonbow, Hirumajoe, hogarth, Krytos, Macbrea, Papa, Telin, Zelck, Pittbull, Niqil -3: Stormwind UnCon Finalists: Please do not edit your sheet. It would be too sad if you'd autolose because of that.
TelinArtho 11-01-06, 05:12 PM	Tactics for Faelto sent to HirumaJoe Tactics for Ilendil sent to Vathelokai Tactics for Jar-red sent to Sauro the other day.
MindWandererB 11-01-06, 05:12 PM	Well, last time a SoE hit we were limited to one apiece plus one for every fight we pitlorded. It seems that isn't being followed too strictly this time, but it would explain MWB at least. No, it doesn't--I'm not pitlording at all. And I actually completely forgot that I set Maya ready for today a long time ago--I meant to only have Kervan active. @Cat: if it would help, you can nix Kervan's monster fight. I didn't intent to have two characters active, and I'm not entitled to. I'd rather have Kervan active than Maya, but his fight would be easier to remove from the roster.
Sjiggie 11-01-06, 05:22 PM	My character Zerth Cenobite (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=10519501#post10519501) hasn't been paired while I stated it ready yesterday. I know we are in a state of emergency but he can easily be on the roster by replacing this fight so it shouln't cost us a extra pitlord. Corbin Nightwalker (renlim) vs. Unknown Monster : Kaigan [Arena]
McJarvis 11-01-06, 05:25 PM	@ McJarvis - Yeah, that random event just hurt your Guild damn badly before it even got going. Good luck indeed getting going with the EYE's resources and that... ouch. OH! I didn't see that before...heh. All the same, not really. Before the random event even got rolled(ie- last night) I had already PM'd cat about changing all buildings EYE has because of zoning requirements & LOY technically being a different guild. My changes involved no longer having POL buildings(unless my fortress counts as one) & he told me the change would be approved as soon as I get control of the guild. Though that certainly was a close call. I'm glad I was anxious to forge forward with things...otherwise the metagame mighta been a factor. :-O edit- double upkeep? that isn't that big of a deal...~100 gp a week out of an income of 2,000 gp a week....I guess over time it might have meant something.
McJarvis 11-01-06, 05:33 PM	@Hogarth & Dr. Funk I would encourage you to get your tactics for your fight in asap. I don't particularly like the way forest battles can suddenly extend to 6 hour pitlord jobs, so I'd rather do that one earlier in the week.
MindWandererB 11-01-06, 05:40 PM	OH! I didn't see that before...heh. All the same, not really. Before the random event even got rolled(ie- last night) I had already PM'd cat about changing all buildings EYE has because of zoning requirements & LOY technically being a different guild. My changes involved no longer having POL buildings(unless my fortress counts as one) & he told me the change would be approved as soon as I get control of the guild. There's a problem with that: Your first structure (The Class A one) has to have the same primary trait as your guild. That's a restriction we all had to follow, and LOY isn't going to get out of it. @Abyssal: Tactics for Maya sent. Stupid Deeper Darkness stealth builds.
McJarvis 11-01-06, 05:41 PM	There's a problem with that: Your first structure (The Class A one) has to have the same primary trait as your guild. That's a restriction we all had to follow, and LOY isn't going to get out of it. Cat must have either been mistaken or is taking pity on a small guild then, because in his pm response to my requesting changing the class A building(Specifically- I asked for a Bard college LEI/EDU) he said I could "change anything I want".
MindWandererB 11-01-06, 05:44 PM	Let me clarify this. It probably didn't occur to him that this would be an illegal change based on the starting rules.
McJarvis 11-01-06, 05:44 PM	Let me clarify this. It probably didn't occur to him that this would be an illegal change based on the starting rules. Thanks! It will change my strategy alot if I can't get that bard college. The double upkeep or no money thing- is that a for 1-week only kind of thing for the no-money deal?(ie- pay double upkeep forever or gain no money for 1 week)?
McJarvis 11-01-06, 05:49 PM	Stupid Deeper Darkness stealth builds. You can just thank me now for alerting everyone to that cheap pre-buff;)
MindWandererB 11-01-06, 05:50 PM	Here's the full rule: Strike: All structures of <random> trait do not produce any income unless the guild permanently doubles the upkeep for each affected structure (announce as Free Action). After three weeks, a strike turns into the Random Event "Rioters" and half the staff leaves the guild. So if you don't increase the upkeep, they produce nothing for 3 weeks. After that, they produce again, but you lose half the staff and you gain rioters in your home district! Unless you miraculously get EL 5 rioters, you're in pretty big trouble.
McJarvis 11-01-06, 05:53 PM	Here's the full rule: Strike: All structures of <random> trait do not produce any income unless the guild permanently doubles the upkeep for each affected structure (announce as Free Action). After three weeks, a strike turns into the Random Event "Rioters" and half the staff leaves the guild. So if you don't increase the upkeep, they produce nothing for 3 weeks. After that, they produce again, but you lose half the staff and you gain rioters in your home district! Unless you miraculously get EL 5 rioters, you're in pretty big trouble. So basically the only option is to increase upkeep. At a cost of ~1k gold a week per building it would take more than 20 weeks for the upkeep to equal the money I would have lost, and the opportunity cost of the 3k per building is pretty invaluable...plus by the time 20 weeks has gone by, I feel like I should be getting significantly more income so the upkeep will seem like even less. This will likely be more like a speed bump.
TelinArtho 11-01-06, 05:54 PM	Nature's Wrath is ready to go. Good luck to Zevox and Asran... they are going to need it... As an aside - let me thank those who worked on the encounter maps - they have produced a combination for this miniquest I would have scarcely thought up on my own...
McJarvis 11-01-06, 07:25 PM	Will LOY's second(grade B) building even be affected by the rioters? It has no staffing and only got completed this week.
MindWandererB 11-01-06, 07:29 PM	Will LOY's second(grade B) building even be affected by the rioters? It has no staffing and only got completed this week. Even if it's a POL structure, I'd say no. It doesn't actually become "active" until next week. And I don't think you're making it a POL structure, anyway, are you? Edit: I hope you mean the strike. If it does devolve into a riot, yes, even your guildhall will be affected.
McJarvis 11-01-06, 07:33 PM	Even if it's a POL structure, I'd say no. It doesn't actually become "active" until next week. And I don't think you're making it a POL structure, anyway, are you? Edit: I hope you mean the strike. If it does devolve into a riot, yes, even your guildhall will be affected. I'm a political-leisurely guy. I don't know the difference between a strike and a riot ;) I don't know at this point if I'm thinking of a pol structure for my grade B. I was kind of resting alot of hopes/dreams on investing in EDU buildings & LEI activities. there are no options for me along EDU routes now, so I need to figure out a backup plan before the guild gets posted tomorrow. :)
TARDIS 11-01-06, 07:55 PM	@ The Magister --- Tactics for Flaeli Stormbringer sent (Fight: El'enees'ka vs. Flaeli) @ malakaiunseen --- I look forward to this battle immensely. Drow vs. High Elf, eh? No grudges there... ;) Good luck! Flaeli to El'enees'ka Hunn'et: "I shall enjoy this day, Drow... you should too, as it will be your last.
Zelck 11-01-06, 08:29 PM	I really hate to bring this up, but doesn't Description: Four medium monstrous humanoids; bipeds with wings.get rerolled due to the "auto"-win clause? I don't think they can beat Walden's hide check...
Zevox 11-01-06, 08:33 PM	Walden's Monster Fight is set up for him. Nature's Wrath is ready to go. Good luck to Zevox and Asran... they are going to need it... As an aside - let me thank those who worked on the encounter maps - they have produced a combination for this miniquest I would have scarcely thought up on my own... Telin just said I'm going to need luck... Telin... Questlord of Doom... luck... Asran... *remembers Destra's quest* I should be running for the hills hells, shouldn't I? Zevox
Zevox 11-01-06, 08:36 PM	I really hate to bring this up, but doesn't get rerolled due to the "auto"-win clause? I don't think they can beat Walden's hide check... You're a frickin Ghost with a hide check that would make Zero cry. Care to tell me what isn't an auto-win for you there? I expect I'd be rerolling a few dozen times before I came up with something that isn't... Zevox
Zelck 11-01-06, 08:37 PM	You're a frickin Ghost with a hide check that would make Zero cry. Care to tell me what isn't an auto-win for you there? I expect I'd be rerolling a few dozen times before I came up with something that isn't... Zevox I'm not complaining :).
Zelck 11-01-06, 09:24 PM	@Zevox: Tactics sent.
TelinArtho 11-01-06, 09:33 PM	Walden's Monster Fight is set up for him. Telin just said I'm going to need luck... Telin... Questlord of Doom... luck... Asran... *remembers Destra's quest* I should be running for the hills hells, shouldn't I? Zevox Well, like I said it wouldn't have been something I would have chosen on my own. I like being able to roll random encounters for the guild miniquests - it enables combinations that I wouldn't choose on my own. And this is certainly one of them. I just hope it isn't too easy/too deadly - as with most things - it could go either way...
McJarvis 11-01-06, 09:43 PM	The unfortunante part of hiders/snipers and monsters is that it is pretty black and white on which monsters are a shoe-in to beat and which ones are a shoe-in to lose to.
Zevox 11-01-06, 09:48 PM	@Zevox: Tactics sent. And recieved. Man, I've got to take a look at those rules for Ghosts now... @ Telin - So be it. I'm mostly just remembering a combination of Destra's quest (fights with tough monsters with no time to prebuff, one where she was nearly ambushed, one in a tiny corridor... bad for her, big time) and your reputation (I was around for some fo those that earned it for you - Luni's restraunt run, Feradeth's attempt at joining the CEF, the close calls in the Silver Acorn quest - and I read others). Kinda a scary combination when you say something like that with that reputation ;) . Zevox
Erithmu 11-01-06, 10:24 PM	@Zevox: you forgot the Denith quests ....
TheMagister 11-01-06, 10:30 PM	@Zevox: you forgot the Denith quests .... {Sdentch rolls over uneasily in her sleep at the mention of Denth} "No! 'Sis...help..." :(
NiQil 11-01-06, 11:41 PM	@ Vathelokai: Tactics for Kermadec sent via PM. Also an issue to resolve mentioned at the top of my PM. @ TheMagister: Tactics for Kerst sent via PM.
Zevox 11-01-06, 11:54 PM	@ hogarth - Tactics for Istima Telarc (vs Ihdald Seaslash) have been PMed. Can't believe its taken this long for me and Milov to get matched up. :) @ Pittbull - Like I said elsewhere, I sent Mindrel's tactics to you yesterday. @ Hirumajoe - Tactics for Indrithia will be forthcoming tomorrow. Zevox
Kaigan 11-01-06, 11:58 PM	Tactics sent to TheMagister for Dorn Farhand via PM. Tactics sent to Abyssal Stalker for Arasiel Treeshot via PM. Tactics not received for either: Rubicanti (TheMagister) vs. Montana (UserNamer) And I'll have the monster for: Corbin Nightwalker (renlim) vs. Unknown Monster very soon. Thanks Kaigan
Zelck 11-02-06, 12:09 AM	FYI, we may want to add gargoyles to the ECL8 list. There is exactly one monster entry that satisfies the "winged biped medium-sized monstrous humanoid" description on the list (1d3+1 Fiendish Harpies) :P. Although I looked at the list only after I drew up the majority of my tactics, I did check on d20srd's monster filter and it was pretty easy to narrow down what I was facing...
MindWandererB 11-02-06, 12:13 AM	FYI, we may want to add gargoyles to the ECL8 list. There is exactly one monster entry that satisfies the "winged biped medium-sized monstrous humanoid" description on the list (1d3+1 Fiendish Harpies) :P. Although I looked at the list only after I drew up the majority of my tactics, I did check on d20srd's monster filter and it was pretty easy to narrow down what I was facing... A lot of them are like that. You just have to live with it, I think. Even with 100 rolls per ECL, many of them are pretty obvious.
Hirumajoe 11-02-06, 12:17 AM	@Papapeperoni: Tactics for Valen Sky sent. @TelinArtho: Tactics for Faelto received.
malakaiunseen 11-02-06, 01:13 AM	@ The Magister --- Tactics for Flaeli Stormbringer sent (Fight: El'enees'ka vs. Flaeli) @ malakaiunseen --- I look forward to this battle immensely. Drow vs. High Elf, eh? No grudges there... Good luck! Flaeli to El'enees'ka Hunn'et: "I shall enjoy this day, Drow... you should too, as it will be your last. Lol, talk about grudge fight. Woman to woman too. Hell hath no fury like a drow woman scorned! @ The Magister tactics sent. Let it be short and sweet. @ TARDIS I'm sure you noticed that elf is El'enees'ka's favourite enemy. Also, look what happened to the last elf Nees faced in the pit. :D Good luck. Lets hope Nees's 8hp will last the distance...
Abyssal Stalker 11-02-06, 02:12 AM	A lot of them are like that. You just have to live with it, I think. Even with 100 rolls per ECL, many of them are pretty obvious. Not that it would be always any help to know what you are facing. It wasn't hard to guess that Manzarf was facing a Black Pudding and that he was dead meat when the map was rolled...
TheMagister 11-02-06, 02:25 AM	@malakaiunseen, Niqil, TARDIS, and Kaigan - tactics received, and they're all pretty straightforward. No questions. Fight(s) will be run Friday night/Saturday night, leaving Sunday/Monday for concerns/corrections. @Kaigan - tactics for Rubicanti are begun, but there is so much to plan for (three allies!!)! They'll be in by Friday deadline, or earlier if I can manage it. I like Rubicanti's chances on the Forest Map vs. a Druid, ironically... TM
Etiquette_Gnome 11-02-06, 02:34 AM	@ Abyssal: Tactics sent for Shreckentaum
renlim 11-02-06, 02:52 AM	My character Zerth Cenobite (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=10519501#post10519501) hasn't been paired while I stated it ready yesterday. I know we are in a state of emergency but he can easily be on the roster by replacing this fight so it shouln't cost us a extra pitlord. Corbin Nightwalker (renlim) vs. Unknown Monster : Kaigan [Arena] I like this idea too! I would really like to battle with another PC.
Gonbow 11-02-06, 03:17 AM	@MindWandererB: Monsters determined and fight posted. @Macbrea: Tactics for monster fight sent. Heres hoping I win the initiative roll...
Caterane 11-02-06, 04:03 AM	My character Zerth Cenobite (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=10519501#post10519501) hasn't been paired while I stated it ready yesterday. I know we are in a state of emergency but he can easily be on the roster by replacing this fight so it shouln't cost us a extra pitlord. Corbin Nightwalker (renlim) vs. Unknown Monster : Kaigan [Arena] You have sent no PM to Pitlords. He's not even on the roster. I've added him retroactively in paired him against Corbin Nightwalker (renlim) vs. Zerth Cenobite (Sjiggie) : Kaigan [Arena]
Maraxus 11-02-06, 04:47 AM	Tactics for Noko sent to Zelck. I guess, this fight will need some luck.
Sjiggie 11-02-06, 07:02 AM	Thanks Caterane, you're right I did forget to PM the Pitlords.
Macbrea 11-02-06, 09:44 AM	Tatyanna vs 5 Fire Salamander Flame Brothers on the open plains may be found here. 5 creatures with a 20ft movement needing to cross 600ft of open space is pretty ugly.
Krytos 11-02-06, 10:15 AM	@waywreth & @Macbrea Tactics recieved for Matthis II vs. Vladmir. I'll run the fight soon. Thanks for putting up with a newbie for a Pitlord.
Ravashack 11-02-06, 10:21 AM	Tactics for Perius sent in to Zelck via PM.
Macbrea 11-02-06, 10:26 AM	@waywreth & @Macbrea Tactics recieved for Matthis II vs. Vladmir. I'll run the fight soon. Thanks for putting up with a newbie for a Pitlord. Take your time. It takes a bit to get used to the flow of things. some fights are done without errors in minutes others seem to take hours to get quite right.
TelinArtho 11-02-06, 11:04 AM	@ Telin - So be it. I'm mostly just remembering a combination of Destra's quest (fights with tough monsters with no time to prebuff, one where she was nearly ambushed, one in a tiny corridor... bad for her, big time) and your reputation (I was around for some fo those that earned it for you - Luni's restraunt run, Feradeth's attempt at joining the CEF, the close calls in the Silver Acorn quest - and I read others). Kinda a scary combination when you say something like that with that reputation . @Zevox: you forgot the Denith quests .... {Sdentch rolls over uneasily in her sleep at the mention of Denth} "No! 'Sis...help..." And people wonder where I get such a nasty reputation. Its not my fault that my players haven't been well prepared for the unexpected... really - its not. And yes - I put "neverending confirmed criticals" into the "unexpected." :schemes:
Krytos 11-02-06, 11:28 AM	@McJarvis Tactics sent for the Roy vs Marcus fight.
Abyssal Stalker 11-02-06, 11:44 AM	And people wonder where I get such a nasty reputation. Its not my fault that my players haven't been well prepared for the unexpected... really - its not. And yes - I put "neverending confirmed criticals" into the "unexpected." :schemes: You are just probably plain evil... :hides: :D
hogarth 11-02-06, 11:45 AM	@Zevox: Tactics received for Istima. @McJarvis: Tactics sent for Kilpquabjeg.
McJarvis 11-02-06, 11:49 AM	I think there's a natural law of gladius that before getting a complete set of two tactics from two opponents you must collect 1 set of tactics from each fight you are going to run. The same sort of thing applies to monopoly tickets from McDonalds.
Zelck 11-02-06, 11:57 AM	I think there's a natural law of gladius that before getting a complete set of two tactics from two opponents you must collect 1 set of tactics from each fight you are going to run. The same sort of thing applies to monopoly tickets from McDonalds. I think it's just statistics. :P :P :P
MindWandererB 11-02-06, 02:08 PM	@Gonbow: Tactics for Kervan sent. I recommend batch rolling once you get past round 5.
Zevox 11-02-06, 02:29 PM	@ Hirumajoe - Tactics for Indrithia vs Faelto have been PMed. Zevox
renlim 11-02-06, 02:47 PM	@Kaigan - Tactics sent for Corbin Nightwalker (corbin vs Zerth)
Krytos 11-02-06, 03:20 PM	Matthis vs Vladmir is up. I think that dice roller has a tendency to crit.
Macbrea 11-02-06, 03:24 PM	d20: 20 rolls, 14.1 average Is what really decided that one. It happens.
Gonbow 11-02-06, 04:00 PM	@Gonbow: Tactics for Kervan sent. I recommend batch rolling once you get past round 5. Recieved and running. Yeah, I can see why. I almost wish the skeletons had a lvl 1 necromancer buddy or something to tell them to grapple you rather than just attack 'mindlessly'.
MindWandererB 11-02-06, 04:10 PM	Recieved and running. Yeah, I can see why. I almost wish the skeletons had a lvl 1 necromancer buddy or something to tell them to grapple you rather than just attack 'mindlessly'. Yeah... I was counting on that. But their CR should probably be higher if they were smarter.
Vathelokai 11-02-06, 04:24 PM	@ Vathelokai: Tactics for Kermadec sent via PM. Also an issue to resolve mentioned at the top of my PM. PM sent about expendables issue.
Vathelokai 11-02-06, 04:28 PM	And people wonder where I get such a nasty reputation. Its not my fault that my players haven't been well prepared for the unexpected... really - its not. And yes - I put "neverending confirmed criticals" into the "unexpected." :schemes: You and your smart monsters... If theyd just stand there and get hit instead of preparing...:cool:
Vathelokai 11-03-06, 07:06 AM	Kermadec vs Dragonlily is up. They both own arrows, but the fight was less then 50 rounds. How? Why? :confused: :D
Vathelokai 11-03-06, 07:07 AM	Undertaker intercepts Ilendil is up. This fight was entirely decided by the suprise round. I think everyone should take a look.
Abyssal Stalker 11-03-06, 07:12 AM	Undertaker intercepts Ilendil is up. This fight was entirely decided by the suprise round. I think everyone should take a look. Quite ironic. I spent a lot of effort to think about my tactics. Usually I have only time to quickly scrap something together. Thanks for saving me those expendables! The fight is definitely worth checking and it won't even take too long!
hogarth 11-03-06, 08:22 AM	Undertaker intercepts Ilendil is up. This fight was entirely decided by the suprise round. I think everyone should take a look. What are the odds of rolling that? They must be one in a million! [McJarvis, you're a probability expert -- can you check my math?] :P
Macbrea 11-03-06, 08:26 AM	The odds of rolling a 1 then failing a save? 2.5% in this case. The odds of loosing your poison in prebuff round is 5% unless your an assassin.
TelinArtho 11-03-06, 10:59 AM	Undertaker intercepts Ilendil is up. This fight was entirely decided by the suprise round. I think everyone should take a look. Well, that sucks. Of course, looking at this I am curious on how someone accidentally poisons himself with injury poison... Well run. EDIT - given Undertaker's buffing schedule though - I do want you to make the second saving throw. The first failure is only unconsciousness for 1 minute. Since my opponent has 6 rounds of buffing, and I'm obviously not making any noise... there's a good chance I'd be awake by the time he got to me. If I fail the second save though - it happens. EDIT 2 - I guess I should've checked the roller... I apparently failed that save too... I return to my previous statement: Well run.
Macbrea 11-03-06, 11:10 AM	Well, that sucks. Of course, looking at this I am curious on how someone accidentally poisons himself with injury poison... Well run. Two quote a medical examiner: Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, State of Maryland, Baltimore 21201, USA. Accidental, suicidal, and homicidal injuries have been caused by arrows fired from crossbows. To our knowledge, a case of suicide using a full-size compound bow to fire a projectile has not been reported in the English literature. Described is a case of a 17-year-old man who shot himself in the chest with a broadhead hunting arrow fired from a compound bow. Examination of the footwear suggests that the decedent drew the bowstring with his left foot while holding the bow in his hands. The mechanism of injury is discussed. When dealing with a longbow-related fatality, examination of the weaponry used and reenactment of the fatal methodology are critical in determining whether self-inflicted injury is a probability. PMID: 9539403 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] It is very possible to injure yourself with a poison arrow, but I am thinking it might take a tad bit of force. :P
Zelck 11-03-06, 11:17 AM	Undertaker intercepts Ilendil is up. This fight was entirely decided by the suprise round. I think everyone should take a look. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
McJarvis 11-03-06, 11:17 AM	What are the odds of rolling that? They must be one in a million! [McJarvis, you're a probability expert -- can you check my math?] :P The only reason I get to display my prowess in statistics around here is ya'll always get it wrong. Probability for this particular case: 1/20 (mishap) * 1/2 (first failed save) * 1/2 (second failed save) = 1.25% Unless you only wanted the probability of him falling sleep for multiple hours, in which case Mac was correct.
Kaigan 11-03-06, 11:24 AM	Tactics received for Montana (UserNamer) but not for Rubicanti (TheMagister) Tactics received for Corbin Nightwalker (renlim) but not for Zerth Cenobite (Sjiggie) If you don't want your character run on default tactics, then please send tactics in by tomorrow morning at 8am PST. I'll be running the fights then. Thanks Kaigan
Vathelokai 11-03-06, 01:54 PM	Well, that sucks. Of course, looking at this I am curious on how someone accidentally poisons himself with injury poison... Well run. A character has a 5% chance of exposing himself to a poison whenever he applies it to a weapon or otherwise readies it for use. The wording 'exposed' here is the problem. I could see it meaning you touch the poison, and thus the 5% chance is fairly irrelevant since injury poison wouldn't do anything. But that dosn't seem to be the intent of the rule (basicly it would make poisonuse special ability's super nerfed). From an RP perspective, I imagine it as cutting your finger for less than 1 hp of damage.
Milov 11-03-06, 03:58 PM	Hogarth: Tactics for Ihdald sent. Papapeperoni: Tactics for Ventr sent. PM me if there's any issues.
Sjiggie 11-03-06, 04:39 PM	Tactics received for Corbin Nightwalker (renlim) but not for Zerth Cenobite (Sjiggie) Tactics dor Zerth sent. Thanks for running the fight
TheMagister 11-03-06, 06:50 PM	Tactics received for Montana (UserNamer) but not for Rubicanti (TheMagister) Tactics received for Corbin Nightwalker (renlim) but not for Zerth Cenobite (Sjiggie) If you don't want your character run on default tactics, then please send tactics in by tomorrow morning at 8am PST. I'll be running the fights then. Thanks Kaigan Life's been wacky. I'll rattle something off tonight. Edit: Tactics have been sent by PM. Sorry for the wait! TM
TheMagister 11-03-06, 08:55 PM	Kerst vs. Dorn Farhand is done. Went as both had planned. TM
Zevox 11-03-06, 10:11 PM	Walden the Unseen vs 4 Fiendish Harpies is up. If you're looking for exiciting or surprising fights, look somewhere else. I tried to think of a way to give them a chance, honest I did... but I don't see them or any other EL 8 monster having any fair chance against Walden on that map. Too much distance, and too big a hide modifier... Zevox
Zelck 11-03-06, 10:20 PM	Walden the Unseen vs 4 Fiendish Harpies is up. If you're looking for exiciting or surprising fights, look somewhere else. I tried to think of a way to give them a chance, honest I did... but I don't see them or any other EL 8 monster having any fair chance against Walden on that map. Too much distance, and too big a hide modifier... Zevox Well, you did miss the Will Save to negate Telekinetic Thrust for throwing attended items, but I don't see what that would do except make things go a bit longer. Thanks for running the fight and making it interesting to read :).
McJarvis 11-04-06, 01:10 AM	I have not yet received tactics from Vivi Ornitier (Dr.Funk) or Marcus Rederta (Papapeperoni)
Gonbow 11-04-06, 01:58 AM	@Vathelokai Random comment, but you can in fact, change your carried items inbetween portions of a 3FC. (Just not buy new ones, or use things you've finished crafting in that cycle) Mostly so people can restock ammunition. You are however, absolutely correct about the expendables in question.
TheMagister 11-04-06, 04:10 AM	Flaeli Stormbringer vs. El'enees'ka Hunn'et is up. Some elves have all the luck... :shifty: What? Dark elves are elves, too, you know!
TARDIS 11-04-06, 07:27 AM	Crap. 3 losses in a row? That's rough. It's totally my fault for this one, I sent the wrong power in my tactics, but I actually do have offensive precognition and not offensive prescience. I know I always confuse the two, and I sent you the tactics after a 75 hour work week in Japan... it was about 12 at night when I sent them. I MEANT to increase my ATTACK rolls, not my damage. Oh well, I don't know if it would have meant much in the end anyway. I will accept the results of the fight as it was run, as it is my error, but is this the sort of situation that typically makes for a rerun?
malakaiunseen 11-04-06, 08:46 AM	Hmmm, that would have been nasty. I don't think the attack role thing would have made too much difference. Protec Arrows is pretty lethal. I have a question. If my free action for a week did not get put in the fight post, do I need to pester the pitlord to get that done? Or can a free action be assumed for any given week?
Vathelokai 11-04-06, 09:10 AM	Pester the pitlord. The free activities have to be documented in the fight.
hogarth 11-04-06, 02:48 PM	Ihdald vs. Istima is up now. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10558393&postcount=203) Please let me know if anyone has a question, comment or concern.
Pittbull 11-04-06, 03:42 PM	@My UnCon-Fighters (Zevox and McJarvis): Sorry guys, I have to tell you, that you need to wait until Tuesday for the fight being finished. I'm ill and need to stay in bed most of the time. But since I must work on Monday, I'm pretty sure I'll be well them again. I've never been late on a fight and I'll post it for sure. But if someone else wants to jump in and finsih it earlier, he's very welcome. Here is the post (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10537407&postcount=197).
TheMagister 11-04-06, 06:52 PM	Hmmm, that would have been nasty. I don't think the attack role thing would have made too much difference. Protec Arrows is pretty lethal. I have a question. If my free action for a week did not get put in the fight post, do I need to pester the pitlord to get that done? Or can a free action be assumed for any given week? The attack roll wouldn't have made a difference: your touch AC behind cover was 15+2(potion)+4(cover)+1(dodge)=22 and he NEVER rolled even a total of 20 on your touch AC with an energy ray. The bad luck really hurt him (8.6 avg on 19 d20 rolls). As for the Free Activity income: You haven't got 5 ranks in it yet, because you're only a 1st level character. AFAIK, you have to invest 5 ranks into a Profession or Craft skill in order to make use of it for "free" money. TM
TARDIS 11-04-06, 09:24 PM	Fair enough. MAN! 3 losses in a row! Ouch. Well, I suppose in a way I have a flawless record now.
TheMagister 11-04-06, 10:35 PM	Grakkar Stonefist vs. Kagun Flinthand's rocky contest is up.
TheMagister 11-04-06, 10:39 PM	The broken link to the Flaeli vs. El'enees'ka fight rolls has been fixed in the Battles thread. Here (http://www.hwx.it/wizards.com/dice.php?sid=756) it is for those interested. My apologies! TM
Zelck 11-05-06, 12:51 AM	Grakkar Stonefist vs. Kagun Flinthand's rocky contest is up. For future reference, can't they make an untrained jump check to fall off the building safely? It just might mean he ends up at -37 instead of -45...
Vathelokai 11-05-06, 01:36 AM	For future reference, can't they make an untrained jump check to fall off the building safely? It just might mean he ends up at -37 instead of -45... Not quite. You can always make a tumble check as a reaction to reduce falling damage. Jump checks to reduce falling damge must always be intentional (see the 'jumping down' portion of the skill). Also, if you jump down some of the falling damage you do take is subdual instead of lethal.
McJarvis 11-05-06, 11:15 AM	Hogarth vs Dr.Funk (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10564823&postcount=205) ended in forfeit.
McJarvis 11-05-06, 03:00 PM	Krytos vs PapaPepperoni (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10564859&postcount=207) is up. The CoD wins. :-)
Zelck 11-05-06, 04:51 PM	Does Entangle work in the Temple?
Zevox 11-05-06, 06:41 PM	Does Entangle work in the Temple? Nope. Only in maps with the appropriate terrain (plains, forest, some few spots in the city) and the arena (which presumes the terrain to be whatever is beneficial to you at the time). Zevox
Pittbull 11-06-06, 03:44 AM	@My UnCon-Fighters (Zevox and McJarvis): Sorry guys, I have to tell you, that you need to wait until Tuesday for the fight being finished. I'm ill and need to stay in bed most of the time. But since I must work on Monday, I'm pretty sure I'll be well them again. I've never been late on a fight and I'll post it for sure. But if someone else wants to jump in and finsih it earlier, he's very welcome. Here is the post (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10537407&postcount=197). Sorry, I'm still not fine, maybe tomorrow, but as I said, if someone could step in and run the fight for me, it would be very appreciated.
Kaigan 11-06-06, 05:04 AM	My fights will be up tomorrow sometime... ran into some work this weekend. Bah programming.
Maraxus 11-06-06, 12:47 PM	Nope. Only in maps with the appropriate terrain (plains, forest, some few spots in the city) and the arena (which presumes the terrain to be whatever is beneficial to you at the time). Zevox Well, if that's the case, Zelck, simply ignore the partt about this. ... However, this ruling obviously leads to other questions, like: Can you use a fireball or something similar, to destroy the plants in a part of the arena to make it entanglement-save? What about slashing it with a sword?
Abyssal Stalker 11-06-06, 01:50 PM	Arasiel vs Gundmir is up. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10566331&postcount=209) Some major tactical erros that I noticed too late to comment.
Zelck 11-06-06, 10:19 PM	Noko vs. Perius (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10580410&postcount=210) is up. And that's why Walden's a ghost :P
MindWandererB 11-06-06, 10:35 PM	Several comments here. 1: Noko gets SR against Ego Whip. That makes a big difference. 2: Assuming it bypassed SR, the round 10 Whip should have dazed Noko. 3: A monk's belt gives you the unarmed damage of a monk, but not the IUS feat. That means Noko can't perform an AoO with an unarmed strike. 4: Your link to the roller leads to the wrong fight. You want sid=765.
Zelck 11-06-06, 10:37 PM	Several comments here. 1: Noko gets SR against Ego Whip. That makes a big difference. 2: Assuming it bypassed SR, the round 10 Whip should have dazed Noko. 3: A monk's belt gives you the unarmed damage of a monk, but not the IUS feat. That means Noko can't perform an AoO with an unarmed strike. Oh shoot, SR :(. :tantrum: :tantrum: And I did get the daze. Didn't you see how Noko was flying in circles? :P EDIT COMPLETE. This one was exciting!
Ravashack 11-07-06, 12:19 AM	You know that Wild Surge ups the ML for SR checks too, right? It's completely impossible for Perius to get an 11 (let alone a 10) with a 3 level Wild Surged Ego Whip because his total ML for it is 12. Though given the results it doesn't matter. I forgot about SR in this case or I would have scrapped the Ego Whip route, because I was expecting the pixie to constantly dance out of range of Energy Burst. I take that not mattering back. It would have prevented the 8 non-lethal and 3 lethal from the following round, which gives another possibility for downing the pixie.
Zelck 11-07-06, 12:26 AM	You know that Wild Surge ups the ML for SR checks too, right? It's completely impossible for Perius to get an 11 (let alone a 10) with a 3 level Wild Surged Ego Whip because his total ML for it is 12. You're right, I missed it. It only matters for the Ego Whip in Round 10, which deals 5 Cha damage. So, you end up doing 14 Cha damage, and I guess you get an extra round. If you try to use another Ego Whip, I just rolled a CL check and you failed it (probably not what you'd do though, even before I looked at the next roll). Although it does save you a turn, and I just rolled a winning xbow shot. Hmm... I'll finish editing it tomorrow morning, but right now, it looks like Perius pulled off the upset and won the archery duel. Any objections, Maraxus?
Ravashack 11-07-06, 12:42 AM	There are only two things that I will argue over in a fight-- 1) Complete errors like that Wild Surge oopsie 2) Pitlords that refuse to refocus in order to use Psionic Shot when using ranged weaponry, unless I actually said in the tactics not to. There's no excuse not to at this point in most circumstances when he has to roll a 1 or a 2 to fail, and he nets more damage overall using it. (This is a sore subject; that's why I will argue over it.) Since you obviously don't qualify for #2 because you HAVE been refocusing with him, you just simply need to add a round in the archery fight.
Zelck 11-07-06, 12:47 AM	There are only two things that I will argue over in a fight-- 1) Complete errors like that Wild Surge oopsie 2) Pitlords that refuse to refocus in order to use Psionic Shot when using ranged weaponry, unless I actually said in the tactics not to. There's no excuse not to at this point in most circumstances when he has to roll a 1 or a 2 to fail, and he nets more damage overall using it. (This is a sore subject; that's why I will argue over it.) Since you obviously don't qualify for #2 because you HAVE been refocusing with him, you just simply need to add a round in the archery fight. For #2, you might want to include that in your char-sheet in a visible place (prebuffs is where I put such tactics on my chars, and in default tactics as well). It also can't hurt to just add that line in your tactics. As for #1, I always appreciate it when others point out my errors. I hate it when errors decide the fight, and I seem to make tons of them :embarrass . Anyway, baring any objection from Maraxus, it looks like you won the fight. My roll to see if you had a chance ended up being a crit threat and dealing 15 damage before a confirm, putting Noko to at least -5.
Ravashack 11-07-06, 12:51 AM	Ah. It's in a more invisible place (the default tactics) because my character sheet is already pretty long. I assume the pitlord is supposed to look over that section, but I guess I should cut and paste "Read the default tactics as well for improvising notes."
NiQil 11-07-06, 01:12 AM	Ah. It's in a more invisible place (the default tactics) because my character sheet is already pretty long. I assume the pitlord is supposed to look over that section, but I guess I should cut and paste "Read the default tactics as well for improvising notes." Do what I do: Whenever I write tactics, the first line in my tactics is always "These tactics are in addition to the general tactics listed on my sheet." Then in my general tactics section, I list anything that I want done on a regular basis. For my Horsemen, a big one is to always make melee attacks one-handed, so as not to lose the AC bonus from my buckler. Until I started doing that, I argued with pitlords every week to make them go back and change it after they ran the fight with two-handed attacks. Ever since I started my general tactics section, it has not been a problem.
Gonbow 11-07-06, 03:06 AM	So. My first monster fight and fight since rejoining the CoCo is up: Kervan (MindWandererB) vs 3 Troll Skeletons (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10535573&postcount=196) Not much to say aside from the whacky commentary, though I do need a reward calculation question answered at the end (In the Account sblock, if you want to skip the fight) as either options seems a bit off.
TheMagister 11-07-06, 03:40 AM	:eek: SKELETONS, MWB. UNDEAD. POWERED BY NEGATIVE ENERGY. HURT BY POSITIVE ENERGY. Using a wand in combat provokes NO AoOs. 1d8+1 touch attack. :doh:
Gonbow 11-07-06, 03:52 AM	:eek: SKELETONS, MWB. UNDEAD. POWERED BY NEGATIVE ENERGY. HURT BY POSITIVE ENERGY. Using a wand in combat provokes NO AoOs. 1d8+1 touch attack. :doh: *coughs* Well, if the skeletons don't use their best tactic... why should Kervan? ^_^ But yeah, that would have worked out a bit better I think, even a little easier to hit em because it'd be a touch attack... >.>
Pittbull 11-07-06, 04:00 AM	@My UnCon-Fighters (Zevox and McJarvis): Sorry guys, I have to tell you, that you need to wait until Tuesday for the fight being finished. I'm ill and need to stay in bed most of the time. But since I must work on Monday, I'm pretty sure I'll be well them again. I've never been late on a fight and I'll post it for sure. But if someone else wants to jump in and finsih it earlier, he's very welcome. Here is the post (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10537407&postcount=197). Sorry, I'm still not fine, maybe tomorrow, but as I said, if someone could step in and run the fight for me, it would be very appreciated. Sorry, I won't be able to do the fight this week or at least before next pairings. I'm still ill. This will be my first late fight. If someone could take it, it would be nice....
Maraxus 11-07-06, 07:30 AM	For #2, you might want to include that in your char-sheet in a visible place (prebuffs is where I put such tactics on my chars, and in default tactics as well). It also can't hurt to just add that line in your tactics. As for #1, I always appreciate it when others point out my errors. I hate it when errors decide the fight, and I seem to make tons of them :embarrass . Anyway, baring any objection from Maraxus, it looks like you won the fight. My roll to see if you had a chance ended up being a crit threat and dealing 15 damage before a confirm, putting Noko to at least -5. Wow, looks like I was really lucky on the spell resistence rolls. - But so was Perius on the concentration checks ... no, wait, in round 10, it did not work. The DC for manisesting while damaged is 10+damage+powerlevel, so it would be 21 ... does not matter, since this one was soaked anyway. What I do have a problem with is, that the bolts don't change the damage type to anything special, so I still get my 10 point damage reduction. That the monk's belt does not give me the ability to use my unarmed attacks like a monk is really strange, to say it nicely. However, it looks, like this is, how it is written. Obviously, this makes my tactic with flying directly above him rather pointless, but that's my fault. Never mind that. Oh, and Noko is female!!!
cgriffis 11-07-06, 08:03 AM	Fight TWO, and six hours have passed and you hit me with 'slippery with morning dew'. Come on! We have a dew slippery roof at noon? Meh. I am retiring. This is too much work.
Macbrea 11-07-06, 08:16 AM	They really aren't trying to screw you on that fight. He is only following the rules set by the map. All rules for each map may be found at here. He was required to have you do a balance check while moving across the rooftop of any building. How he describes it is only flavor text.
cgriffis 11-07-06, 08:22 AM	Ah. Ok, thanks. Apologies for not RTFM. Oh, well. it is still too much work to keep up with the sheets for the amount of fun I have had.
Macbrea 11-07-06, 08:30 AM	I kind of have a bit of a system. I got used to updating right as my fight finished. But then again. I am probably one of the most easy going individuals about fight results. I just don't really care to argue each and every call. If your super competitive this can become very frustrating. Myself, I do it as a hobby. Therefore, I apply my basic knowledge of the rules in such a fashion to produce what I think may or may not be an effective character and let the others worry about the complex stuff. The real goal is to find what is fun for yourself.
Zelck 11-07-06, 09:17 AM	What I do have a problem with is, that the bolts don't change the damage type to anything special, so I still get my 10 point damage reduction. Right. Noko wins. I'm not going to edit the fight then... Oh, and Noko is female!!! I think I actually referred to her with both the masculine and the feminine pronouns.
Ravashack 11-07-06, 10:04 AM	Right. Noko wins. I'm not going to edit the fight then... I think I actually referred to her with both the masculine and the feminine pronouns. LOL. EVERYONE besides Maraxus forgot about that DR. Definitely should have just froze her out of the sky...
Hirumajoe 11-07-06, 11:35 AM	Indrithia vs Faelto can be found here. This was an attempt to do a quicker fight. So its not as colorful or detailed as normal.
TelinArtho 11-07-06, 11:54 AM	Well, 6 hp of damage only reduces me to 0hp. Since I was already withdrawing at that point to heal - my wand would be in hand (since I had a move action to do so). Then I could heal up while I avoided Indrithia. This is all in my tactics. EDIT: in the rewards and summary - you list that Faelto (actually - you have it as Dragonlily...) used a POP (2nd) - but it was a PoP (1st).
Hirumajoe 11-07-06, 12:05 PM	Well, 6 hp of damage only reduces me to 0hp. Since I was already withdrawing at that point to heal - my wand would be in hand (since I had a move action to do so). Then I could heal up while I avoided Indrithia. This is all in my tactics. EDIT: in the rewards and summary - you list that Faelto (actually - you have it as Dragonlily...) used a POP (2nd) - but it was a PoP (1st). In regards to the first, you're absolutely correct. I forgot about the fact that you can take 1 action. Which would let you heal. So the fight isn't over. Still have work cut out for me. And in regards to the 2nd, thats what I get for copying and pasting.
TelinArtho 11-07-06, 12:11 PM	So .... Sauro.... you've been awful busy with that Council stuff... I don't suppose you are going to run the UnCon fight anytime this week?
TelinArtho 11-07-06, 12:16 PM	Anyone want to place bets on Asran chances in his current situation? I'm placing odds of him succeeding at 20 to 1. Asran's difficult dilemma Good luck Zevox - you're going to need it.
Hirumajoe 11-07-06, 12:56 PM	The new and improved Indrithia vs Faelto is now up here. If you see any more problems, let me know.
Kaigan 11-07-06, 01:10 PM	My fights will be up either later this afternoon or tonight... I've run into a lot of work and my girlfriend just came down with a terrible flu, so I'm also taking care of here... but don't worry I have started one of them... but they will be up today. Sorry for the inconviences.
MindWandererB 11-07-06, 01:17 PM	:eek: SKELETONS, MWB. UNDEAD. POWERED BY NEGATIVE ENERGY. HURT BY POSITIVE ENERGY. Using a wand in combat provokes NO AoOs. 1d8+1 touch attack. :doh:That wouldn't have helped. The shield+bite was getting me 2 attacks a round, for more damage. Their touch AC was only slightly worse than their regular AC. And they can make a Will save for half. Besides, they had enough HP that I simply didn't have enough wand to pull that off. The MM wand would have been better (no save, no miss), but it would have also been more expensive than it was worth (about 34 charges, 510 gp worth). And may I also point out that this was an EL 6 encounter. No, I knew that if the skels got just a little bit lucky, they would have pulled it off. Maybe I should have tried turning them--would have succeeded on a 13, and I had 3 tries. Yeah, that probably would have been good. Rewards: it would be the 750/795, except that we have a rule that you can't earn more XP than your ECL*100 when you lose. So 500/533 it is.
TelinArtho 11-07-06, 01:29 PM	The new and improved Indrithia vs Faelto is now up here. If you see any more problems, let me know. While I disagree with the movement in round 23 and 24 (because I know I am running away - I shouldn't be setting up to run into a wall...), I am satisfied with this result. Well run. [EDIT] Just noticed you missed that I used a Scroll of Mage Armor (CL1) in round 1 in the summary.
Hirumajoe 11-07-06, 01:39 PM	While I disagree with the movement in round 23 and 24 (because I know I am running away - I shouldn't be setting up to run into a wall...), I am satisfied with this result. Well run. [EDIT] Just noticed you missed that I used a Scroll of Mage Armor (CL1) in round 1 in the summary. I'll add the mage armor. Thanks. In regards to the movement, I didn't think too hard about it since Indrithia with burst is just plain faster than Faelto. Everyone was only making double moves, so going around corners and such would have made no difference for that section of the fight. Which reminds me, I need to list the use of burst.
TelinArtho 11-07-06, 01:40 PM	Well, it does make a difference, because if Faelto is not backed up against a wall in round 24 - but still forces Indrithia to double move to get to her - she can withdraw safely without drawing an AoO - that's a big difference. Also - add in Cat's Grace to the summary too. EDIT - And like I said - I am fine with it as is - there's no need for further edits. What happened is I should have gone with my initial instinct and enlarged, silenced myself - and then moved to grapple... My loss here is my own fault...
Hirumajoe 11-07-06, 01:44 PM	Well, it does make a difference, because if Faelto is not backed up against a wall in round 24 - but still forces Indrithia to double move to get to her - she can withdraw safely without drawing an AoO - that's a big difference. Also - add in Cat's Grace to the summary too. Oh, I see now. Basically use the withdraw action continuously until Indrithia runs out of burst uses. Hrm. Yeah, that would be the smarter thing to do. Which in fact does make a huge difference as you can then continue to keep using the CLW. Edit: Thanks for accepting it as is.
Abyssal Stalker 11-07-06, 02:41 PM	Schreckentaum vs Maya (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10566268&postcount=208) is done...kind of. I hope you accept it the way I've handled it. You all have seen this before.
MindWandererB 11-07-06, 02:51 PM	Schreckentaum vs Maya (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10566268&postcount=208) is done...kind of. I hope you accept it the way I've handled it. You all have seen this before. I'm afraid I can't agree with that, for one main reason: Shreck is not faster. We're both speed 20. Maya can always move closer to the center of the Deeper Darkness--it doesn't give away his exact location, but it narrows it down a lot. Since she's willing to Run and he's not, plus he'll either be moving at half speed to be moving silently or taking a penalty to MS, he won't be able to get away that easily--and if he tries, he'll hit a delay penalty. Since sniping is a full-round action, a significant fraction of his attacks will result in him being the victim of a charge, and only one successful sunder will win the fight for Maya. So, sorry, but I'm going to have to ask you to play this out. @Gnome: Tattoos with a range of Personal cost double.
Hirumajoe 11-07-06, 05:56 PM	So, regarding: Valen Sky (Hirumajoe) vs. Ventr the Dreamer (Milov) : Papapeperoni [Sewer] If Papapeperoni doesn't get it up before tomorrow, anyone want to take it? I'll make it simple. Valen is willing to surrender to avoid going into week 2/2.
SauroGrenom 11-07-06, 10:53 PM	I just ran across something I've never had happen before... What happens when someone is using mounted combat to protect a mount, but the foe rolls a nat 20? If the mounted combat roll is high enough to negate the attack roll is there a hit? If the hit stands, can mounted combat be used against the crit confirm in the same attack? Does that require a different roll or does the same roll still apply to the crit confirm? The feat says: Once per round when your mount is hit in combat, you may attempt a Ride check (as a reaction) to negate the hit. The hit is negated if your Ride check result is greater than the opponent’s attack roll. (Essentially, the Ride check result becomes the mount’s Armor Class if it’s higher than the mount’s regular AC.) NiQil, Have you ever seen something like this. I'm sure someone has seen this, but I've just never run across it before.
NiQil 11-07-06, 11:13 PM	I just ran across something I've never had happen before... What happens when someone is using mounted combat to protect a mount, but the foe rolls a nat 20? If the mounted combat roll is high enough to negate the attack roll is there a hit? If the hit stands, can mounted combat be used against the crit confirm in the same attack? Does that require a different roll or does the same roll still apply to the crit confirm? The feat says: Once per round when your mount is hit in combat, you may attempt a Ride check (as a reaction) to negate the hit. The hit is negated if your Ride check result is greater than the opponent’s attack roll. (Essentially, the Ride check result becomes the mount’s Armor Class if it’s higher than the mount’s regular AC.) NiQil, Have you ever seen something like this. I'm sure someone has seen this, but I've just never run across it before. My interpretation: The feat says that the check can be used to negate the hit. It does not make any differentiation between a normal hit and a critical hit. So if the ride check is enough to negate the hit, then the attack fails. It doesn't matter if the attack is a critical possibility...if the ride check is high enough to negate the hit based on the overall attack roll, then the hit is negated. This is similar to Deflect Arrows in this manner. If someone scores a ranged critical hit against someone who has Deflect Arrows, Deflect Arrows would negate the critical hit as long as all conditions for the feat are met. Bottom line: A 20 is an autohit, but in this instance the Mounted Combat feat can allow you to override the hit if the ride check is higher than the total attack roll as per the feat description.
TelinArtho 11-07-06, 11:16 PM	Hmmm - I would disagree with that assessment - according to this statement: (Essentially, the Ride check result becomes the mount’s Armor Class if it’s higher than the mount’s regular AC.) This would imply to me that the Ride check becomes the mount's new AC - not that the hit would automatically negate a critical threat.
NiQil 11-07-06, 11:24 PM	Hmmm - I would disagree with that assessment - according to this statement: This would imply to me that the Ride check becomes the mount's new AC - not that the hit would automatically negate a critical threat. MOUNTED COMBAT [GENERAL] Prerequisite: Ride 1 rank. Benefit: Once per round when your mount is hit in combat, you may attempt a Ride check (as a reaction) to negate the hit. The hit is negated if your Ride check result is greater than the opponent’s attack roll. (Essentially, the Ride check result becomes the mount’s Armor Class if it’s higher than the mount’s regular AC.) Special: A fighter may select Mounted Combat as one of his fighter bonus feats. It sounds like you might have misunderstood me. I am looking at the bolded line above. In other words, if someone rolls a 20, then it is an autohit, meaning that it doesn't matter what the normal AC of the mount is. So that add that 20 to whatever the characters attack modifier is (I'll use 5 as an example) to get the total attack roll of 25. If the Ride check beats the total attack roll of 25, the hit is negated, and no critical confirmation roll is needed. If the ride check is lower than 25, then the hit is a valid hit, and a critical confirmation roll is rolled as normal, with no ride check allowed on the confirm roll, since the confirmation roll is not a roll eligible to be negated by the feat. The line in brackets is descriptive text...but by my reading it means the same thing as what I am saying. The total attack roll still has to beat the ride check for the hit to count. Note that I am not saying that a critical threaten is automatically negated. It's still a question of ride check vs total attack roll. To use a different example, if the roll was a 15 instead of a 20, the roll would have to be higher than the normal AC of the mount before a Ride check is even needed. All the 20 does is take away that requirement because it autohits. A ride check is only needed if the mount is hit, not on every attack made against it.
TelinArtho 11-07-06, 11:33 PM	I didn't misunderstand what you were saying. I am merely pointing out that the sentence in the parentheses make mention that if the roll is high enough it essentially replaces the target's AC. In the case of a Natural 20 - it doesn't matter what the target's AC is - it is an auto hit. Now, I do understand what you are saying - I just happen to disagree with it. I don't see any clarification in the FAQ or in the Errata, so I am just going to have to defer to a pitlord decision on this one. I can say that in past fights - no one has questioned this before - any attacks on a mount with a rider with Mounted Combat were automatically treated as hits - no matter what the Mounted Combat roll was (I will go back and find some examples - I am fairly sure there are some for Sir Valkin that I can find - since everyone seems to enjoy targetting Foreman...). However, even if I do find some examples, will that make a difference? Like I said - no one has questioned this rule before - so the fact that it is questioned now makes any example I give now kind of moot.
NiQil 11-07-06, 11:39 PM	I didn't misunderstand what you were saying. I am merely pointing out that the sentence in the parentheses make mention that if the roll is high enough it essentially replaces the target's AC. In the case of a Natural 20 - it doesn't matter what the target's AC is - it is an auto hit. Now, I do understand what you are saying - I just happen to disagree with it. I don't see any clarification in the FAQ or in the Errata, so I am just going to have to defer to a pitlord decision on this one. I can say that in past fights - no one has questioned this before - any attacks on a mount with a rider with Mounted Combat were automatically treated as hits - no matter what the Mounted Combat roll was (I will go back and find some examples - I am fairly sure there are some for Sir Valkin that I can find - since everyone seems to enjoy targetting Foreman...). However, even if I do find some examples, will that make a difference? Like I said - no one has questioned this rule before - so the fact that it is questioned now makes any example I give now kind of moot. Ahh....it was I who misunderstood you. I see what you are saying now...interesting. I can see that side of it as well. I guess it would ultimately come down to a ruling from us, then....because reading it your way, the line you bolded and the line I bolded are in direct conflict with each other. Methinks we are gonna need Sauro's opinion and MWB and Pittbull to chime in on this one...majority Elder vote would rule the rule. I don't necessarily think either yours or mine interpretation are incorrect...just different views of what portions of the feat are more important.
TelinArtho 11-08-06, 12:17 AM	Ironically enough the closest example I found was against Silas in round 12... Silas had a 20!+7, 18+7 to confirm vs 19+8 MC. Maybe people didn't attack Foreman as much as I thought. I'd like for it to be resolved via Elder vote, but in the interest of moving things along, I think Sauro should make a decision for the fight and I will live with that decision (unless Vath comes up and states that he agrees with me...).
SauroGrenom 11-08-06, 12:38 AM	So it seams I've stumbled into a tar-pit that has been around for a long time, but we haven't been stuck in before... I was hoping that this had come up several times before and that there was a generally agreed answer that someone would just reference for me. But my hopes are dashed. We should probably discuss this in detail at our leisure another time. But for this fight, I've neglected to run it till the 11th hour, I need to make a decision to finish on time. So I will split the issue down the middle partly in favor of one participant and partly in favor of the other. For this battle the ride check does indeed become an AC for the purposes of resolving attacks against the mount. Thus a natural 20 will hit. That AC is persistent for all rolls associated with one "hit". Thus the 1st ride check counts as the AC for both the 1st attack roll and for the crit confirm. In this case it means the arrow hits but fails to confirm.
Vathelokai 11-08-06, 01:16 AM	I'm completely behind Sauro. I look forward to the elder vote.
Vathelokai 11-08-06, 01:22 AM	Ah, I see Jar-Red is going straight for my pegasus. Prudent. Though I'm kind of curious as to how Jar-Red is attacking every round... we'll see.
MindWandererB 11-08-06, 01:25 AM	My vote would be favoring the text that Telin highlighted. I agree that it is a bit ambiguous (stupid words like "like" and "essentially"), but I think a natural 20 is an automatic hit against any "DC." whether that's an AC or a Ride check. Only things that can negate a hit without affecting the difficulty of the attack roll, such as concealment or Deflect Arrows, can beat a natural 20.
Kaigan 11-08-06, 01:28 AM	Corbin Nightwalker (renlim) vs. Zerth Cenobite (Sjiggie) is up and can be found here. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10592013&postcount=213) Please look for mistakes, hope I wasn't too rusty. Haha, and sorry for the lateness. My other fight should be up in the wee hours of the morn. Time to take a tiny break. Kaigan
Abyssal Stalker 11-08-06, 01:45 AM	I'm afraid I can't agree with that, for one main reason: Shreck is not faster. We're both speed 20. Maya can always move closer to the center of the Deeper Darkness--it doesn't give away his exact location, but it narrows it down a lot. Since she's willing to Run and he's not, plus he'll either be moving at half speed to be moving silently or taking a penalty to MS, he won't be able to get away that easily--and if he tries, he'll hit a delay penalty. Since sniping is a full-round action, a significant fraction of his attacks will result in him being the victim of a charge, and only one successful sunder will win the fight for Maya. So, sorry, but I'm going to have to ask you to play this out. @Gnome: Tattoos with a range of Personal cost double.You are correct here. My decision was based on a mistake, I thought that Shreck had a base speed of 30 but of course he doesn't have. The fight needs to be run from the beginning as a total rerun. I'll see what I can do but I'm afraid that it is going to be held over. As you probably see, the fight is going to be long and painful. I'll be home around 6pm and my time zone is GMT+2 so that leaves me only couple of hours to get the fight done. There is a small chance that it will be done before the pairings, but I wouldn't count on it. Sorry about the mess, but you probably understand why I made that decision (remembering the fact that I had Shrek's speed wrong).
MindWandererB 11-08-06, 01:49 AM	That's fine for my part. I wasn't planning on activating Maya this week anyway. Thanks for taking responsibility.
NiQil 11-08-06, 01:56 AM	My vote would be favoring the text that Telin highlighted. I agree that it is a bit ambiguous (stupid words like "like" and "essentially"), but I think a natural 20 is an automatic hit against any "DC." whether that's an AC or a Ride check. Only things that can negate a hit without affecting the difficulty of the attack roll, such as concealment or Deflect Arrows, can beat a natural 20. Not to be nitpicky, but the feat states that the attack has to hit before a ride check can be used to negate said hit. There is nothing in the text you and Telin favor that contradicts this. What we are basically talking about is that the two of you feel that the Ride check replaces the AC of the mount, and is then compared against this new "Ride AC" to determine if a hit occurs. I, on the other hand, contend that after the initial attack is determined to hit the normal AC, the Ride check is then used to see if the hit is higher than this check, and then the hit either stands (if yes) or not (if no). A subtle, but distinct difference.
MindWandererB 11-08-06, 02:11 AM	Not to be nitpicky, but the feat states that the attack has to hit before a ride check can be used to negate said hit. There is nothing in the text you and Telin favor that contradicts this. What we are basically talking about is that the two of you feel that the Ride check replaces the AC of the mount, and is then compared against this new "Ride AC" to determine if a hit occurs. I, on the other hand, contend that after the initial attack is determined to hit the normal AC, the Ride check is then used to see if the hit is higher than this check, and then the hit either stands (if yes) or not (if no). A subtle, but distinct difference.Yes, you're right. And yes, it is ambiguous. It all comes down to whether you think "the Ride check result becomes the mount’s Armor Class if it’s higher than the mount’s regular AC" is just flavor text or not. I don't. In fact, as a rule, I treat nothing that doesn't appear in a special, italicized flavor text paragraph as flavor text. That's just my policy; YMMV.
SauroGrenom 11-08-06, 02:58 AM	Just in case you weren't following the rolls as they came up in the coco roller. Jar-Red vs Antalya. I made a few minor mistakes as I was rolling it up, but I think I caught them and kept thematic rolls.
Vathelokai 11-08-06, 03:45 AM	Can't say I didn't expect something like that. I rather intended to full attack Jar-Red, though I can see where my tactics were not specific enough/contradictory. It only would have given 4 extra attacks anyway, so it wouldn't have changed much. Thanks for the run. Question: do these uncon fights count as CoCo fights? Should I add the rewards, etc.? Do I start a new 3FC after this fight, or is this the first fight in the 3FC? *EDIT* Now that the fight is decided, I feel that I should say I support NiQil's interpretation of the rules. I think the direct sentence (roll ride to negate the already achieved hit) holds more weight than the support sentence (ride check effectively becomes the new AC). Also the fact that the ride check negates a hit after the roll to hit is successful seems important in the wording.
Pitlords 11-08-06, 05:44 AM	Please finish someone the other UnCon fight or this contest is over. The Wizos are breathing down my neck that the UnCon is over and that I must send the winner NOW. I'm doing my best to buy us some time but if this battle is not complete by the deadline today, I declare Jar-Red the winner of our Uncon Contest. I'll give out 5° for this fight!
Zevox 11-08-06, 08:06 AM	Tell you what, I'll make that fight easy on everyone: Mindrel surrenders. I've gone over the tactics to that fight, and I doubt anyone could actually run it in time now. I also doubt it would turn out any other way anyway - the only one of my three takedown strategies with any chance is sending my familiar in, and thats not a promising one anyway. So Mindrel will simply surrender to save us the time and headache that fight would cost. Zevox
McJarvis 11-08-06, 08:46 AM	Tell you what, I'll make that fight easy on everyone: Mindrel surrenders. I've gone over the tactics to that fight, and I doubt anyone could actually run it in time now. I also doubt it would turn out any other way anyway - the only one of my three takedown strategies with any chance is sending my familiar in, and thats not a promising one anyway. So Mindrel will simply surrender to save us the time and headache that fight would cost. Zevox Humm...thanks...that fight was gonna be a nasty one. We had countered each other pretty well, I think.(I almost didn't do the misdirect/see invis buffs on thinking "he'll assume I'll do that & not bother with detect magic/invisibility"...glad I was paranoid at the last second!) Regardless, I'm going on the road now...and you can be certain I'll be trying to brainstorm up ways of killing that freakin dizzy dizzy dino the whole 11 hours I'm driving >=] Suddenly I'm aware of how nasty a simple flight+dispel magic could be vs fighter builds. d'oh for thinking flight wouldn't be important!
Hirumajoe 11-08-06, 10:16 AM	Suddenly I'm aware of how nasty a simple flight+dispel magic could be vs fighter builds. d'oh for thinking flight wouldn't be important! Heh. I noticed. That's the reason Kai Engel's two 3rd level spells were Dispel Magic and Flight. Only ones he could afford (i.e. free with the last wizard levels). On another note, since I want Valen to surrender his fight with Ventr the dreamer to avoid missing next week, can I edit his sheet to be ready for the Nov 8th week?
hogarth 11-08-06, 10:24 AM	On another note, since I want Valen to surrender his fight with Ventr the dreamer to avoid missing next week, can I edit his sheet to be ready for the Nov 8th week? Considering the penalty for editing your sheet is forfeiting the fight (which is your intention), I don't think it should be a problem!
TelinArtho 11-08-06, 10:24 AM	Okay - with that in mind then - I will write up tactics for Jar-red vs Poe and send them as soon as a pitlord has been determined. @Vath - its a great character concept - but you've got to find a way to protect that mount of yours. Had I multiple arrows per round - I would have torn through that pitiful AC without incident... Anyway - I love the character concept - good luck with it! @Cat - do we update the UnCon record for the next fight or do we just wait until all of the UnCon fights are done before posting them to the Characters thread and then make changes there?
TelinArtho 11-08-06, 10:25 AM	Not to be nitpicky, but the feat states that the attack has to hit before a ride check can be used to negate said hit. There is nothing in the text you and Telin favor that contradicts this. What we are basically talking about is that the two of you feel that the Ride check replaces the AC of the mount, and is then compared against this new "Ride AC" to determine if a hit occurs. I, on the other hand, contend that after the initial attack is determined to hit the normal AC, the Ride check is then used to see if the hit is higher than this check, and then the hit either stands (if yes) or not (if no). A subtle, but distinct difference. Well let's tally a full elder vote on this before Sir Valkin's fight... I have a feeling it might come up...
Caterane 11-08-06, 10:28 AM	@Telin: Leave the sheets untouched till the Uncon is over please.
TelinArtho 11-08-06, 11:20 AM	So am I fighting Poe according to the sheet or the sheet minus the expendables and spells he used in the fight as recorded?
Kaigan 11-08-06, 11:27 AM	Hey guys, Some bad news... I can't finish Rubicanti (TheMagister) vs. Montana (UserNamer) : Kaigan [Forest] I was working on it early this morning at 1 am, but my computer died... my cooling system cut out, so I'm taking my laptop in this morning for service and cleaning. Sorry, I know I'll get penalties for this and my apologies to TheMagister and UserNamer... If someone can take this up and get it done before pairings that would be great for them. Kaigan
Hirumajoe 11-08-06, 11:46 AM	@Telin: Thanks for putting up the surrendered fight for Valen!
TelinArtho 11-08-06, 11:49 AM	NP - Its sad that no one had done so before - but meh - I'll try to keep things going from now on where I can. I hate to see fights held over because of a pitlord disappearing. Its one thing if that pitlord comes up and says "Hey I don't have the time" - but its entirely different if the pitlord just disappears (not sure if that happened in this case, but I know it has happened before...). Anyway - I'm back in full swing at this point, so I might even be taking on more fights too. We'll see though...
Hirumajoe 11-08-06, 11:51 AM	I would have done it myself, but "acting" as the pitlord for your own fight, even if its a surrender seems dubious. Of course, if I didn't get a credit for it (which I don't know if you do), I guess it might be ok. Also, just realized, Valen should have gotten a -12.5% penalty because of his mount. I'll record it as such on my sheet, if you want to fix it in the fight post to 350 xp/ 350 gp, that'd be great. Thanks.
TelinArtho 11-08-06, 11:58 AM	Yeah - I forgot to check the allies. Consider it edited (just not quite yet :))
Caterane 11-08-06, 12:15 PM	So am I fighting Poe according to the sheet or the sheet minus the expendables and spells he used in the fight as recorded? No, same fight, same stuff. You didn't use up anything.
TelinArtho 11-08-06, 12:32 PM	Just so I know then - when the UnCon fights are over - are the characters reset to their state when they were posted, or do they keep the results from the UnCon itself?
Abyssal Stalker 11-08-06, 01:17 PM	Shrek vs Maya fixed (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10566268&postcount=208). Or actually re-run.