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NiQil 11-29-06, 04:49 PM	Fights of the Week: November 29th Please don't edit the sheet after the deadline or you will lose the match. Rules of Gladius All that you need to know is written in the Rules of Gladius. It could be useful also to give a look to the Court Decisions Part 1 and Part 2. Please do not make fake accounts or insult the Elders. Pairings GM Caterane will pair the active Characters of Gladius after the deadline. Make sure that your character is not in prison (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=571107&goto=lastpost). Pitlording You should use the CoCo Dice Roller (http://www.hwx.it/wizards.com) for the fight. If you need it, there is a nice template ready to use that will help. You could find the Battle Map Tag Generator (http://www.hwx.it/coco) for dynamic Maps very useful. You must post a link to your fight in this thread when it is complete. Another useful link is the Quick Access tables for XP and Gold. If a fight needs to be rerun, the Pitlord has to inform the Pitlords account. He cannot react to requests from Players because the other player and the pitlord might disagree. He has no time to read the fight and the discussion. Please keep that in mind. PMs from players with rerun requests won't have an impact. Recent News and Developments A big hand to Abyssal Stalker for the resurrection of the Gladius Weekly! Comments & Concerns Post any comments or concerns for this weeks fights in this thread. Be kind and courteous to your fellow posters, and don't feed the pitlords. Please remember that they do hard work and consume a lot of time to let you play. Above all, have FUN! If you have questions or comments on any of the changes, please make your posts be heard in the Council of Gladius!
McJarvis 11-29-06, 04:53 PM	Daniel Ocean (UserNamer) vs. Shreckentaum deJack (Etiquette_Gnome) : McJarvis [Arena] [Week 2] o_O I got fined credits too. >:-O
NiQil 11-29-06, 04:57 PM	Daniel Ocean (UserNamer) vs. Shreckentaum deJack (Etiquette_Gnome) : McJarvis [Arena] [Week 2] o_O I got fined credits too. >:-O I just posted in the other thread...send a PM if you haven't already...Cat apparantly hasn't read his yet and is making more work for himself. @ Cat: If you read this, you need to read the PM I sent Pitlords about last weeks pairings. Do to some changes you made without telling anyone and then not being around to fix them after the fact, we had to fix things ourselves.....
hogarth 11-29-06, 04:57 PM	Daniel Ocean (UserNamer) vs. Shreckentaum deJack (Etiquette_Gnome) : McJarvis [Arena] [Week 2] o_O I got fined credits too. >:-O Hey -- me too! Mithos Durrol (Zevox) vs. Maelosh the Breaker (Hrothmund) : hogarth [Arena] [Week 2] This was done on Sunday!
NiQil 11-29-06, 04:58 PM	Hey -- me too! This was done on Sunday! Same thing...send a PM to Pitlords...Cat will read them eventually...hopefully before he does pairings....
SauroGrenom 11-29-06, 05:09 PM	Cat's realy buisy recently, so pairings may be a bit later than is usual. Don't be worried if something hasn't been updated on the typical time frame.
McJarvis 11-29-06, 05:09 PM	Cat's realy buisy recently, so pairings may be a bit later than is usual. Don't be worried if something hasn't been updated on the typical time frame. /me checks the date Is he hitting the end of the semester & has lots of papers to grade or something?
NiQil 11-29-06, 05:12 PM	Cat's realy buisy recently, so pairings may be a bit later than is usual. Don't be worried if something hasn't been updated on the typical time frame. It's not the updates everyone is worried about...it's the fact that he appears to not have read his PM's yet on the Pitlords account, which contains some issues that he needs to know about prior to this week's pairings being completed.
hogarth 11-29-06, 05:13 PM	Cat's realy buisy recently, so pairings may be a bit later than is usual. Don't be worried if something hasn't been updated on the typical time frame. I don't mind if the correct thing is done late. I'm less impressed when the incorrect thing is done early. :D I think he just must've missed seeing the Mithos vs. Maelosh fight post when he was looking through.
McJarvis 11-29-06, 05:13 PM	It's not the updates everyone is worried about...it's the fact that he appears to not have read his PM's yet on the Pitlords account, which contains some issues that he needs to know about prior to this week's pairings being completed. He's not messing with it this week, I guess...he just told me on IM that he's tired & is just doing to pairings now, and if I have any issues I should consult an elder. I think he's overstressed. :(
NiQil 11-29-06, 05:16 PM	He's not messing with it this week, I guess...he just told me on IM that he's tired & is just doing to pairings now, and if I have any issues I should consult an elder. I think he's overstressed. :( The problem is that the issues from last week directly affect this week's pairings. If you are speaking with him in IM, let him know that. @ other Elders: Do you have access to the Pitlords account? Because the issues from last week need to be corrected, or else this weeks pairings are going to get messed up as well...for instance I think Mithos Durral (Zevox) is now paired in two fights...one that was already completed, and one new one....and the fight that should have been voided from last week got held over....there are lots of issues that need to be fixed from last week. I'd be more than happy to fix them myself, but I don't have access to the Pitlords account.
McJarvis 11-29-06, 05:18 PM	The problem is that the issues from last week directly affect this week's pairings. If you are speaking with him in IM, let him know that. Done and done.
Pitlords 11-29-06, 05:32 PM	Pairings done I have no time this week to answer questions or update the board. MindwandererB will take over for this week. He can make all decisions necessary to run the board during that time.
NiQil 11-29-06, 05:40 PM	@ MWB: Since you get the job as sub GM this week, yer prolly gonna wanna read the PMs that have been sent to Pitlords and make some corrections. Some fights were held over that shouldn't have been, etc...things of that nature.
Pitlords 11-29-06, 05:43 PM	MWB here. Yeah, I've seen the discussion. Looks like Cat fixed some things, but not others. I'll fix the pairings to make sure they make sense. Would all involved parties please check their credits as of right now to see if they're correct? Thanks.
Vathelokai 11-29-06, 05:50 PM	Pairings note: I'm running the quest/mission for Osiris. Jade of Krios (Gonbow) & Bulgar Stronghammer (TelinArtho) miniquest for fun : Vathelokai [Miniquest]I thought this was supposed to be a full quest. If Telin could confirm it either way, that would be great. Wisp (c00lz3) vs. Zodiac (Vathelokai) : Erithmu [Cavern]Wow! The pairings rolls are getting wierd these days. That was the same fight Zodiac had on the last 2 fights of his cycle. Rubicanti (TheMagister) vs. Montana (UserNamer) : DSugui [Forest] [Week 5]]Hey Dsugui. The fight is half done. Here
Vathelokai 11-29-06, 05:53 PM	Hmmm... I had no credit changes. Should be +1 guild, +1 scribelord +1 questlord (osiris), +1 questlord (bulgar and jade) -1 droped fight last week.
NiQil 11-29-06, 05:56 PM	My credits are also incorrect...before pairings I was at 53, now I am at 52. I lose one for having a third character active, and gain one for prisonlords, so I should remain at 53.
Pitlords 11-29-06, 06:00 PM	Changes thus far: Daniel Ocean (UserNamer) vs. Maelosh the Breaker (Hrothmund) : McJarvis [Arena] Shreckentaum deJack (Etiquette_Gnome) vs. Unknown Monster : UserNamer [Arena] (Assuming UserNamer is actually around these days.)
Erithmu 11-29-06, 06:08 PM	@Vath & coolz: Tactics are due without mercy on the deadline. I have finals next week. Please get them in early incase I have questions.
NiQil 11-29-06, 06:27 PM	@ MWB: A couple of changes haven't been made yet to the roster and stuff from the Pitlords account that still need to be done. In this post, which is the pairings post from last week, both the correct fight that McJarvis ran for Elb/Tessero and the incorrect one that Usernamer posted are linked after the fight. The last link that leads to the post UserNamer made needs to be deleted. Elb Foraker and Tessero Valis both need to have their won/loss records corrected, as well as their power ratings. Elb should be 0-1 and Tessero should be undefeated. Edit: Also, I am not sure if the Prison Update that Pitlords gets every week from Prisonlords was ever gone over...Alexander (UserNamer) is in prison, and shouldn't be, and Zerth Cenobite (Sjiggie) should be. So that may need to be done, and credits from that post issued, etc.
Gonbow 11-29-06, 06:28 PM	@Vathelokai Yeah, that should be a full quest, not a miniquest... @Pitlords LEVEL 7 FIGHTS Little Daisy[ECL8] (DSugui) vs. Tatyana (Gonbow) & Istima Telarc (Zevox) : Iced [Forest] [Inter-League] LEVEL 8 FIGHTS Featylec Elendi (Zevox) vs. Unknown Monster : Hirumajoe [Forest] Shouldn't Daisy and Feat fight eachother, with Tatyana fighting Istima? Just wondering why there is a monster fight when there doesn't need to be one. Edit: Ah, I got it. Daisy is incorrectly marked at ECL 8, and is actually in ECL 9. Double Edit: Then on second glance... Istima seems to be ECL 6, not ECL 7... Did he just not get edited? Zevox?
hogarth 11-29-06, 06:35 PM	LEVEL 7 FIGHTS Little Daisy[ECL8] (DSugui) vs. Tatyana (Gonbow) & Istima Telarc (Zevox) : Iced [Forest] [Inter-League] LEVEL 8 FIGHTS Featylec Elendi (Zevox) vs. Unknown Monster : Hirumajoe [Forest] Shouldn't Daisy and Feat fight eachother, with Tatyana fighting Istima? Just wondering why there is a monster fight when there doesn't need to be one. Monster fights can occur at random (unfortunately), not just when there's no suitable opponent.
MindWandererB 11-29-06, 07:00 PM	@ MWB: A couple of changes haven't been made yet to the roster and stuff from the Pitlords account that still need to be done. In this post, which is the pairings post from last week, both the correct fight that McJarvis ran for Elb/Tessero and the incorrect one that Usernamer posted are linked after the fight. The last link that leads to the post UserNamer made needs to be deleted. Elb Foraker and Tessero Valis both need to have their won/loss records corrected, as well as their power ratings. Elb should be 0-1 and Tessero should be undefeated. Edit: Also, I am not sure if the Prison Update that Pitlords gets every week from Prisonlords was ever gone over...Alexander (UserNamer) is in prison, and shouldn't be, and Zerth Cenobite (Sjiggie) should be. So that may need to be done, and credits from that post issued, etc.Done. @Vathelokai Yeah, that should be a full quest, not a miniquest... @Pitlords LEVEL 7 FIGHTS Little Daisy[ECL8] (DSugui) vs. Tatyana (Gonbow) & Istima Telarc (Zevox) : Iced [Forest] [Inter-League] LEVEL 8 FIGHTS Featylec Elendi (Zevox) vs. Unknown Monster : Hirumajoe [Forest] Shouldn't Daisy and Feat fight eachother, with Tatyana fighting Istima? Just wondering why there is a monster fight when there doesn't need to be one. Edit: Ah, I got it. Daisy is incorrectly marked at ECL 8, and is actually in ECL 9. Double Edit: Then on second glance... Istima seems to be ECL 6, not ECL 7... Did he just not get edited? Zevox?The MQ is now a full Q. It looks like I'll have to fix the other thing rather creatively. Hold on. The fact that most of the characters around there are Zevox's makes it complicated.
Vathelokai 11-29-06, 07:01 PM	@Vath & coolz: Tactics are due without mercy on the deadline. I have finals next week. Please get them in early incase I have questions. Sent!
MindWandererB 11-29-06, 07:09 PM	All right, here's what we have now: LEVEL 6 FIGHTS Zassl[ECL8] (Maraxus) vs. Ihdald (Milov) & Andurwin (Zelck) : Gonbow [Temple] [Inter-League] [Week 2] Annalina Vale (Zevox) & Istima Telarc (Zevox) & Relanex Thines (Macbrea) vs. Little Daisy[ECL9] (DSugui): Maraxus [Temple] [Inter-League] LEVEL 7 FIGHTS Tatyana (Gonbow) vs. Unknown Monster : Iced [Forest]
spasheridan 11-29-06, 07:13 PM	Hey CoCo folks- I've been gone for a while, glad to see that things are still thriving here. I'm working on updating my 3 characters, but if you need a pitlord for a low-er level fight I'd love to start back up. I don't know where I'm supposed to announce that I can pitlord a battle - but I'll do it here.
MindWandererB 11-29-06, 07:24 PM	Hey CoCo folks- I've been gone for a while, glad to see that things are still thriving here. I'm working on updating my 3 characters, but if you need a pitlord for a low-er level fight I'd love to start back up. I don't know where I'm supposed to announce that I can pitlord a battle - but I'll do it here. Normally you PM Pitlords, but since I'm substitute Pitlords this week, I got you covered.
Zelck 11-29-06, 07:34 PM	* Walden (Zelck) vs. Dronnar (DSugui) vs. Sunstroke (MindWandererB) vs. Kraegin (TelinArtho) : Macbrea [Temple] [All vs All] Heh, technically, that counts as facing Dronnar for four weeks in a row, right? *pokes Abyssal and his Gladius Weekly* ;)
NiQil 11-29-06, 07:54 PM	@ Krytos: Tactics for Elb Foraker sent via PM @ TelinArtho: Tactics for Terek Molt sent via PM @ Krytos: Tactics for Vaden Wick sent via PM
Macbrea 11-29-06, 08:12 PM	@Zevox: Sent you what I am doing so you can plan accordingly.
rowsdower44 11-29-06, 08:45 PM	@UserNamer: Tactics sent for Anselm Falstead
c00lz3 11-29-06, 09:18 PM	Wisp (c00lz3) vs. Zodiac (Vathelokai) : Erithmu [Cavern] Wow! The pairings rolls are getting wierd these days. That was the same fight Zodiac had on the last 2 fights of his cycle. This is Fate or somthing.... 3rd battle in a row with Zodiac this will be the tiebreaker. I leave for a few weeks and poof! How many times must we clash? Is it our fate?
Zelck 11-29-06, 09:24 PM	@Macbrea: Tactics for Andurwin sent.
McJarvis 11-29-06, 09:51 PM	@User: Tactics sent for Chosen of Gladius
MindWandererB 11-29-06, 10:01 PM	@UserNamer, Abyssal, and Macbrea: tactics sent. It sucks to be me; a hard duel, an insanely hard Hunter, and an impossibly hard FFA.
Sutro 11-29-06, 10:11 PM	@Telin: Scallas tactics sent.
Zevox 11-29-06, 10:17 PM	Double Edit: Then on second glance... Istima seems to be ECL 6, not ECL 7... Did he just not get edited? Zevox? No, hes ECL 6. He falls just short of level 7 after his mission (once penalties for his ally are accounted for - I need to get Sauro to change the mission record to account for that). Annalina Vale (Zevox) & Istima Telarc (Zevox) & Relanex Thines (Macbrea) vs. Little Daisy[ECL9] (DSugui): Maraxus [Temple] [Inter-League] :mymy: Ouch - 1x ECL vs 3x ECL-3... never liked those kinds of matches. Oh well, maybe with an evocation-specialist wizard and a pretty durable psion on the same team it won't be too lopsided. Mithos Durrol (Zevox) vs. Maya Redwine (MindwandererB) : UserNamer [Arena] LOY fight :king: ! Heh, sorry McJarvis, but Mithos isn't throwing this just so we can get taxes - Maya has to earn them fair and square ;) . @ Hirumajoe - Featylec will need burglary options for the monster (if any) once its rolled, just to make sure you know. I'll work on tactics for Mithos vs Maya and Ceilia vs Ventr tonight - they're the easiest. Others should be along tomorrow. Zevox
McJarvis 11-29-06, 10:28 PM	LOY fight :king: ! Heh, sorry McJarvis, but Mithos isn't throwing this just so we can get taxes - Maya has to earn them fair and square ;) . *sniff*. :) I'm sure you'll come up with a great RP story for why Mithos interfered. Perhaps he can be considered disguised during the fight?
DSugui 11-29-06, 10:31 PM	:mymy: Ouch - 1x ECL vs 3x ECL-3... never liked those kinds of matches. Oh well, maybe with an evocation-specialist wizard and a pretty durable psion on the same team it won't be too lopsided.Maybe... if the fight weren't against a druid in her last fight with 42 spell levels remaining... This will be fun. Heh, technically, that counts as facing Dronnar for four weeks in a row, right? *pokes Abyssal and his Gladius Weekly*Techincally, yes... But at least in this fight I have someone to kill... Rubicanti (TheMagister) vs. Montana (UserNamer) : DSugui [Forest] [Week 5]]Gee, week 5... Must be a new record...
Vathelokai 11-29-06, 10:32 PM	This is Fate or somthing.... 3rd battle in a row with Zodiac this will be the tiebreaker. I leave for a few weeks and poof! How many times must we clash? Is it our fate? I had Zodiac sit out for a couple weeks just to avoid such a thing... That settles it; Zodiac and Wisp need to go on a quest.
MindWandererB 11-29-06, 10:49 PM	:mymy: Ouch - 1x ECL vs 3x ECL-3... never liked those kinds of matches. Oh well, maybe with an evocation-specialist wizard and a pretty durable psion on the same team it won't be too lopsided.Yeah, sorry about that. The large collection of Zevox characters around there limited my options somewhat. My first thought was an interleague battle between Annalina, Istima, and Featylec. Amusing, but hardly kosher.
Zevox 11-29-06, 10:58 PM	Yeah, sorry about that. The large collection of Zevox characters around there limited my options somewhat. My first thought was an interleague battle between Annalina, Istima, and Featylec. Amusing, but hardly kosher. *shrugs* Not my fault the ECL 6-8 leagues happen to be all but dead about the time most of my guys are hitting those levels ;) . Still, I see what you mean - nothing for it. ...and on a more minor note, I just noticed that Istima's power rating is 1499. I think I now have some idea how Sindorin felt when he saw that Va'ria had that. :( Zevox
Vathelokai 11-29-06, 11:06 PM	MWB; my two quests are up, whenever you feel like linking them to the pairings. @QUESTORS: Unfortunately it's very late for me. No time to do intro's tonight. Feel free to post, or wait for me to post. Either way, I'll get them rolling tommorrow. Silly RL...
Zevox 11-29-06, 11:22 PM	@ UserNamer - Tactics for Mithos Durrol (vs Maya Redwine) have been PMed. @ McJarvis - Oh, I'm sure I can come up with something to post in the Guild thread about it if nothing else. Theres a couple of ideas forming in the back of my head already. Heh, maybe if I get lucky and don't have to work Sunday I can even get a quick story written about the fight if its done by then :) . @ My other Pitlords - Other tactics tomorrow. Mithos' took a bit longer than I expected. Zevox
Gonbow 11-29-06, 11:59 PM	@Krytos Ashyertian's tactics sent, let the battle of the stumpies begin! (Arn't dwarves amazing?) @My gladiators No tactics recieved yet.. everyone should check to make sure their fight didn't change! @Vath I'll wait for the intro, or for Telin to start it up as he's the driving force and Jade is more of an 'opportunistic addition'.
MindWandererB 11-30-06, 12:04 AM	@ My other Pitlords - Other tactics tomorrow. Mithos' took a bit longer than I expected.I can imagine. That's two fights for me this week where I've said to myself, "Bah! My opponent is barely worth considering. His horse, on the other hand...." And for the third, just substitute "griffon" for "horse." The Mithos/Maya fight would just be two people hitting each other with pointy sticks without the mounted element.MWB; my two quests are up, whenever you feel like linking them to the pairings.Thanks for the notice and the reminder. I knew I had do do that as soon as I saw the threads go up, but I'm so conditioned to ignore quests that aren't mine....
Maraxus 11-30-06, 01:50 AM	Grrrml, last week, I had 3 fighters in the forest, this time a 4 player fight? Well, of cause I do it, but seriously, <one> means "Please a duell or monster fight." I guess, at least this fight will bring 2 credits?
MindWandererB 11-30-06, 02:03 AM	Grrrml, last week, I had 3 fighters in the forest, this time a 4 player fight? Well, of cause I do it, but seriously, <one> means "Please a duell or monster fight." I guess, at least this fight will bring 2 credits? It should have. If you don't have time for it, you may be able to trade. I know McJarvis was looking for extra credits. Please note: I'm not at all sure Cat did the credits for this week before taking off. If you know how many credits you had before, and the number you have now doesn't look right, please let me know! I've seen a few complaints already, but many of them were involved in other clerical errors.
Caterane 11-30-06, 04:27 AM	credits are assigned
Maraxus 11-30-06, 08:12 AM	MindWandererB: No, I take the fight, it's Temple Map and probably only 1 independant ally, so comparably easy. Hm, did I really only have 8° last week? ... Hm, anyway, 10 is enough to think about using some unearthed arcana ... Or I wait a little longer and get an Ogre... Tactics for Durin send. What about the tactics for Zassl (fight did not happen last week), does the Pitlord take the tactics from last week, or should I write new ones?
McJarvis 11-30-06, 09:56 AM	@Vecnoran: tactics received. Where last week was the mecca of "OMG I received all my tactics on wednesday night", this week is....sigh. I suppose NiQil helped alot with that tho ;) @Maraxus: sent you an offer for that fight via pm ;) As MWB stated, I'm looking for all the credits I can get right now.
Hirumajoe 11-30-06, 10:38 AM	@McJarvis: I'll get you my tactics this morning. Unfortunately, you didn't post my monster fight until after I was asleep... Kid with cold + Me with cold = Going to bed before midnight.
McJarvis 11-30-06, 10:39 AM	@McJarvis: I'll get you my tactics this morning. Unfortunately, you didn't post my monster fight until after I was asleep... Kid with cold + Me with cold = Going to bed before midnight. Me unemployed + Jon Stewart + Colbert Report = Me going to bed at 1am. :)
TelinArtho 11-30-06, 10:52 AM	2 Kids with colds + wife with problems from car accident = Me going to bed at 1 am... since the kids didn't fall asleep until 12:30am... @MacBrea - tactics for Kraegin have been sent.
McJarvis 11-30-06, 10:54 AM	2 Kids with colds + wife with problems from car accident = Me going to bed at 1 am... since the kids didn't fall asleep until 12:30am... So what you're saying is....you wish you & your kids had colds? ;)
TelinArtho 11-30-06, 11:01 AM	Actually, I'd stay up until 3am if it were my own schedule to keep... its my wife that thinks I need more than 4 hours of sleep each night. I keep telling her that sleep is a poor substitute for caffeine... but she just won't listen.
Hirumajoe 11-30-06, 11:01 AM	@Zevox: Your monster info is up. Although nothing else yet. I did one reroll because the first set I didn't think stood a chance. And I was hoping not to have to run 10 monsters... Of course, now you get: Seven Large Monsters. Sigh. Good luck. @All: Anyone know if you climb up to the roof and just kinda sit there shooting on it, do you have to roll balance checks each round? Basically I want to know if I can stay out of melee of centaurs on the city map without falling off every second shot. Thanks.
Krytos 11-30-06, 11:03 AM	@My Gladiators: All tactics recieved. I will run one of them this afternoon after lunch. The other will probably be later this weekend. @Abyssal Stalker: Tactics for Roy sent.
Vathelokai 11-30-06, 11:05 AM	@Zevox: Your monster info is up. Although nothing else yet. I did one reroll because the first set I didn't think stood a chance. And I was hoping not to have to run 10 monsters... Of course, now you get: Seven Large Monsters. Sigh. Good luck. @All: Anyone know if you climb up to the roof and just kinda sit there shooting on it, do you have to roll balance checks each round? Basically I want to know if I can stay out of melee of centaurs on the city map without falling off every second shot. Thanks. The balance check is only for moving, so you should be able to just sit there. But then centaurs have a high strength, so their untrained climb might mess with your plan.
hogarth 11-30-06, 11:07 AM	@Zevox: @All: Anyone know if you climb up to the roof and just kinda sit there shooting on it, do you have to roll balance checks each round? Basically I want to know if I can stay out of melee of centaurs on the city map without falling off every second shot. Thanks. The skill description only mentions making Balance checks when you move. So I would say "No."
McJarvis 11-30-06, 11:10 AM	The balance check is only for moving, so you should be able to just sit there. But then centaurs have a high strength, so their untrained climb might mess with your plan. The potions of fly & dust of sneezing & choking they all come equipped with are what's really going to kill you. ****biiiiiiiiiiig wink****
Hirumajoe 11-30-06, 11:14 AM	Please tell me how the heck a Centaur climbs a ladder? Does that mean I can bring my horse up with me because it has a high strength check?
TelinArtho 11-30-06, 11:23 AM	Please tell me how the heck a Centaur climbs a ladder? Does that mean I can bring my horse up with me because it has a high strength check? The simple answer is - we don't have to show you how it climbs. As long as it makes its check - it succeeds... and yes - your horse could come up with you as long as you have taught it to climb with a trick...
McJarvis 11-30-06, 11:26 AM	The simple answer is - we don't have to show you how it climbs. As long as it makes its check - it succeeds... and yes - your horse could come up with you as long as you have taught it to climb with a trick... Or were able to handle it with a DC 25 handle animal check. curse that wild card that druids have....
Hirumajoe 11-30-06, 11:36 AM	The simple answer is - we don't have to show you how it climbs. As long as it makes its check - it succeeds... and yes - your horse could come up with you as long as you have taught it to climb with a trick... Hmm... In that case, I want to teach my horse *that* trick. :-) Although McJarvis has a good point. I have a +6 Handle Animal skill check, so its at least possible... Actually, I just reread the map. There's no climb check involved to use the ladder. Hrm... I suppose as long as I'm sitting in the middle of the roof where the ladder leads, they'll have to do something fancy to get by me anyways, otherwise they're stuck on the ladder. Can you Bull rush while climbing at 1/4 speed?
Abyssal Stalker 11-30-06, 11:39 AM	Heard in TLT: "Druid Hugtree, what the heck are you doing!? Actually, what the heck is your elephant doing!?" "Haven't you ever seen someone teach the climb trick to an elephant?" "Yes, yes, but why have you dressed it into pink tights?" "Oh, that..."
TelinArtho 11-30-06, 11:42 AM	Think circus animals...
Hirumajoe 11-30-06, 11:45 AM	@McJarvis: Tactics sent, plus one addendum due to all the comments made in here. Just in case. :-) If you see any problems with it, let me know. Also, if you think standing on the roof top calling the Centaur's mothers donkeys at the top of my lungs to get their attention isn't interacting enough let me know and I'll try changing it up a bit.
McJarvis 11-30-06, 11:46 AM	@McJarvis: Tactics sent, plus one addendum due to all the comments made in here. Just in case. :-) If you see any problems with it, let me know. Also, if you think standing on the roof top calling the Centaur's mothers donkeys at the top of my lungs to get their attention isn't interacting enough let me know and I'll try changing it up a bit. received. I'll take a look at it when I get a chance to hammer out the tactics/items for the centaurs. I'm not really in a position to think that that isn't interacting enough, since Mort's "interaction" is letting opponents know where she is with a huge black blob.
hogarth 11-30-06, 11:49 AM	Think circus animals... I'd pay good money to see a horse climb a tree. Does anyone know where I can find a circus with that particular act? :D
Macbrea 11-30-06, 11:49 AM	Ponders how the Str 18 (max lift 900lbs) can haul it's 2,100lb self up a ladder. :P
Hirumajoe 11-30-06, 11:51 AM	Oh, speaking of equipment for monsters. Since I've got to do something similar. Taking Valen's centaur fight as an example, do Cr 3 monsters really receive 2500gp if they have a standard treasure listing? Or am I reading something wrong. That seems like... Alot. Especially when they'd only be giving out 900gp in treasure.
McJarvis 11-30-06, 11:54 AM	Oh, speaking of equipment for monsters. Since I've got to do something similar. Taking Valen's centaur fight as an example, do Cr 3 monsters really receive 2500gp if they have a standard treasure listing? Or am I reading something wrong. That seems like... Alot. Especially when they'd only be giving out 900gp in treasure. It's that much gold to equip them for any-given situation. For instance, even though I'm pretty sure you'll figure out a way to prevent them from charging, I'll still be equipping the centaurs with masterwork lances, since that is something they would definately keep on them. Another standard for me is all my warrior-type characters get potions of pro:evil & tattoos of synesthete. Things like that eat up wealth quickly...so it won't all be aimed at you.
Hirumajoe 11-30-06, 12:02 PM	Actually this more in concern for Zevox's monster fight this week that I need to run. I don't want to over equip them, but your method sounds about right.
Zevox 11-30-06, 12:07 PM	@Zevox: Your monster info is up. Although nothing else yet. I did one reroll because the first set I didn't think stood a chance. And I was hoping not to have to run 10 monsters... Of course, now you get: Seven Large Monsters. Sigh. Good luck. I'm afraid I still need one bit of info for this, as I said before. Featylec's free activity is a burglary, so I need to know if these things have expendables I can steal, and if so what so that I can pick what to take. I can imagine. That's two fights for me this week where I've said to myself, "Bah! My opponent is barely worth considering. His horse, on the other hand...." And for the third, just substitute "griffon" for "horse." The Mithos/Maya fight would just be two people hitting each other with pointy sticks without the mounted element. Oh come now, Noble's not the one you should be worrying about. Sleep ends things right from the get-go with just a bit of luck on my part, and I can try it twice. And if we get into melee, Mithos' tripping talent will be all he needs to defeat Maya anyway. Zevox
Hirumajoe 11-30-06, 12:17 PM	@Zevox: Doh, you're right of course. Looking at what I'm likely to equip them with now. Ok, each individual will be carrying 1 potion of cure light wounds, 1 potion of magic weapon, and 1 potion of shield of faith. All caster level 1. So a total of 7 cure light wounds, 7 magic weapons and 7 shield of faiths for a grand total 1050 gp worth of consumables. Will add this to the fight description.
Abyssal Stalker 11-30-06, 12:17 PM	We are forgetting what the treasure actually is supposed to be: When generating an encounter dealing with monsters away from their lair, remember that a creature only takes what it can easily carry with it. In the case of a creature that cannot use treasure, that generally means nothing. The monster safeguards or hides its treasure as well as it can, but it leaves it behind when outside the lair. Intelligent creatures that own useful, portable treasure (such as magic items) tend to carry and use these, leaving bulky items at home. Treasure can include coins, goods, and items. Creatures can have varying amounts of each, as follows.
McJarvis 11-30-06, 12:22 PM	We are forgetting what the treasure actually is supposed to be: Intelligent creatures that own useful, portable treasure (such as magic items) tend to carry and use these :)
DSugui 11-30-06, 12:44 PM	@McJarvis, Macbrea, Maraxus: All my tactics sent. Fun fights this week.
Zevox 11-30-06, 01:42 PM	@ Hirumajoe - Tactics for Featylec have been PMed. And don't worry, I don't think he'll need luck, looking at the possibilities for what you could've rolled 7 of in EL 8 that'd have equipment. Especially on that map (the Forest and City are all but made for him :D ). @ DSugui - Tactics for Ceilia Durrol (vs Ventr the Dreamer) have been PMed. Zevox
Abyssal Stalker 11-30-06, 02:05 PM	@McJarvis: The reason I brought this up is that this actually makes monster fights even more unbalanced than they are already. Usually the monster treasure isn't supposed to be added as efficient and optimized equipment on top of the monster. This in addition to the fact that we are fighting monsters that should be fought with four characters alone. In a balanced gaming environmetn monster treasure shouldn't be all on the monter increasing it's fighting capabilities, but in the lair as a reward. But on the other hand, we are playing in a higlhy optimized environment, so this probably isn't a problem. I'm not complaining, just pondering the monster equipment.
DSugui 11-30-06, 02:05 PM	@ DSugui - Tactics for Ceilia Durrol (vs Ventr the Dreamer) have been PMed. Received. If Milov send tactics in the next hours, I run the fight today.
McJarvis 11-30-06, 02:07 PM	@McJarvis: The reason I brought this up is that this actually makes monster fights even more unbalanced than they are already. Usually the monster treasure isn't supposed to be added as efficient and optimized equipment on top of the monster. This in addition to the fact that we are fighting monsters that should be fought with four characters alone. In a balanced gaming environmetn monster treasure shouldn't be all on the monter increasing it's fighting capabilities, but in the lair as a reward. But on the other hand, we are playing in a higlhy optimized environment, so this probably isn't a problem. I'm not complaining, just pondering the monster equipment. In a balanced gaming environment PC's wouldn't spend every last piece of gp on battle gear either, but it happens :)
Hirumajoe 11-30-06, 02:57 PM	@Zevox: Tactics received. Yeah, looking over Featylec's capabilities I can guess what the monsters are in for. And it ain't going to be pretty. At least these guys can in principle hurt you. The first set was 10 Giant Bombadier Beetles. I mean 10 mindless insects with no climb ability, flight, or ranged attack longer than 10', or coordination on the forest map? Who hit in melee on natural 20's only? Why can't I ever roll tough monsters, like a dragon or something. All I seem to get are the lame guys... Mimics, bugs, and so forth. @ Hirumajoe - Tactics for Featylec have been PMed. And don't worry, I don't think he'll need luck, looking at the possibilities for what you could've rolled 7 of in EL 8 that'd have equipment. Especially on that map (the Forest and City are all but made for him :D ). Zevox
Maraxus 11-30-06, 03:03 PM	@McJarvis: The reason I brought this up is that this actually makes monster fights even more unbalanced than they are already. Usually the monster treasure isn't supposed to be added as efficient and optimized equipment on top of the monster. This in addition to the fact that we are fighting monsters that should be fought with four characters alone. In a balanced gaming environmetn monster treasure shouldn't be all on the monter increasing it's fighting capabilities, but in the lair as a reward. But on the other hand, we are playing in a higlhy optimized environment, so this probably isn't a problem. I'm not complaining, just pondering the monster equipment. I allready complained about that, too. The simple answer was: "Too many characters had auto-wins in their monster fights, so we houseruled, that monsters get equipment as an NPC of their CR." I can't agree with that and (as a pitlord) will maybe give my monsters less then optimized equipment, unless they have mostly class levels, but they get the money, that's a Coco rule.
Vecnoran 11-30-06, 03:17 PM	Tactics for Danidus sent.
Maraxus 11-30-06, 03:46 PM	(...) What about the tactics for Zassl (fight did not happen last week), does the Pitlord take the tactics from last week, or should I write new ones?1-2-3
Krytos 11-30-06, 03:54 PM	Elb Foraker (NiQil) vs. Ashyertian of Incandesence (Gonbow) is up. You just took too much damage on the approach NiQil. That Rapid Shot really killed you.
TelinArtho 11-30-06, 04:04 PM	1-2-3 The pitlord should use the ones posted from last week. If they were never posted, each player should send their tactics from last week/rewrite their tactics and send them accordingly.
Zevox 11-30-06, 04:28 PM	The pitlord should use the ones posted from last week. If they were never posted, each player should send their tactics from last week/rewrite their tactics and send them accordingly. For whoever is running that fight, those are posted here. Zevox
Hrothmund 11-30-06, 04:34 PM	@McJarvis Tactics for Bazili Stasha sent.
Erithmu 11-30-06, 04:54 PM	@Abyssal Stalker: Tactics for Torel sent, I think I'm the underdog here.
hogarth 11-30-06, 04:57 PM	@Abyssal Stalker: Tactics for Torel sent, I think I'm the underdog here. O RLY? Stupid "Psionic Hole" feat... :raincloud
Erithmu 11-30-06, 05:08 PM	O RLY? Stupid "Psionic Hole" feat... :raincloud YA RLY! Influx of Psion's makes it taste oh so good
Hrothmund 11-30-06, 05:08 PM	@ McJarvis Tactics for Maelosh the Breaker sent.
Gonbow 11-30-06, 05:23 PM	YA RLY! Influx of Psion's makes it taste oh so good I'm so glad Tatyana has a plethora of non-targeting powers with which to destroy these 'anti-psions' regardless of any feats they may have taken. Not to mention the ruling that dorjes/powerstones/psi-like powers are immune to Psionic Hole..
Zevox 11-30-06, 06:41 PM	@ Maraxus - Tactics for Annalina Vale and Istima Telarc in that inter-league with Daisy have been PMed (and also sent to Macbrea so he knows what I'm doing). Now, heres hoping we either get the favor of the dice or DSugui makes the single biggest mistake he could :devil: . Zevox
c00lz3 11-30-06, 07:22 PM	@Erithmu Tactics for Wisp sent
MindWandererB 11-30-06, 09:43 PM	Oh come now, Noble's not the one you should be worrying about. Sleep ends things right from the get-go with just a bit of luck on my part, and I can try it twice. And if we get into melee, Mithos' tripping talent will be all he needs to defeat Maya anyway.I pretty much ignore Sleep, since there's nothing I can really do about it. As for tripping... tripping either a horse or a skilled rider isn't really as easy as all that. If I can survive the Sleep and deal with Noble, I'm in good shape. Re: monster fights: Folks always complain that monster fights are unfair. every once in a while I check to see how well the monsters are doing. And every time I do, they're winning almost exactly half the time. This holds true for the last three weeks. So there aren't going to be any changes in difficulty on the monster fights unless something else changes. Re: climbing horses: I don't have time to check right now, but isn't this specifically prohibited in the FAQ? Or somewhere?
Zevox 11-30-06, 10:18 PM	As for tripping... tripping either a horse or a skilled rider isn't really as easy as all that. Which is why you kill the horse to eliminate that advantage altogether ;) . Zevox
Abyssal Stalker 12-01-06, 01:38 AM	Re: monster fights: Folks always complain that monster fights are unfair. every once in a while I check to see how well the monsters are doing. And every time I do, they're winning almost exactly half the time. This holds true for the last three weeks. So there aren't going to be any changes in difficulty on the monster fights unless something else changes. Which is the reason I wanted to point out that I wasn't complaining. I just wanted to take a look at how we handle monster equipment and how they are handled by the general guidelines in the rules. Even if the fights were unfair, I wouldn't be upset. I've used to playing with a GM that is never "fair" to players. Not that he would cheat players, but the challenges we get to face are totally unbalanced. PCs die every other session, and usually that means creating a new character. Adds excitement to the game, allthough sometimes might feel a little frustarating.
hogarth 12-01-06, 11:34 AM	@Abyssal Stalker: Tactics sent for Reginald Molehusband. With regards to monster fights, there are (at least) three things I dislike about them: 1) Two different pitlords can come up with equipment for the same monster and create encounters of wildly different difficulty levels. 2) The random numbers of possible opponents creates too much variation in difficulty levels (e.g. 1 very young white dragon and 3 very young white dragons are both possible as an EL 5 opponent). 3) The "no auto-win" rule punishes gladiators for being well-prepared (e.g. having access to invisibility or flight). I'd much prefer it if we got rid of the "no auto-win" rule, fixed the number of opponents in a group, and if equipment was either (a) fixed or (b) randomly determined so that it's not dependent on how lenient the pitlord is feeling. I doubt it'll happen any time soon, though.
DSugui 12-01-06, 12:44 PM	Ventr the Dreamer (Milov) vs. Ceilia Durrol (Zevox) is up HERE. Lots of 20s...
Zevox 12-01-06, 01:30 PM	Ventr the Dreamer (Milov) vs. Ceilia Durrol (Zevox) is up HERE. Lots of 20s... Pretty much as expected. Only comment is that you forgot to have Foresight trample instead of attack, but it wouldn't make any difference. Thanks for running it! Zevox
renlim 12-01-06, 01:31 PM	Tactics for Corbin Nighwalker sent
McJarvis 12-01-06, 01:31 PM	Tactics for T.I.M. sent.
MindWandererB 12-01-06, 02:35 PM	@UserNamer: I just saw that Maya vs. Mithos is up. There are some problems. Animals avoid combat when not controlled. The horse should have run away when the rider fell asleep. There's a 25% chance of falling out of the saddle when Maya loses consciousness. If she falls, she'll be injured and will wake up. I tried to find this in the roller, but I can't find the session at all. Did you use real dice? The rewards are obviously completely wrong. P.S. I see that Anselm vs. Chosen is also up. Hard to find fault with that one.
Zevox 12-01-06, 02:52 PM	@UserNamer: I just saw that Maya vs. Mithos is up. There are some problems. Animals avoid combat when not controlled. The horse should have run away when the rider fell asleep. There's a 25% chance of falling out of the saddle when Maya loses consciousness. If she falls, she'll be injured and will wake up. I tried to find this in the roller, but I can't find the session at all. Did you use real dice? The rewards are obviously completely wrong. I must disagree with the bolded part, since theres no rules for this in existance. With a sudden loss of guidance from the rider, why should the horse be doing anything but waiting for guidance unless the rider has fallen off (and is thus clearly out of it)? If this were a Pegasus or something with a decent intelligence like that I could see it, but not a horse. Really, having unintenlligent mounts deliberately avoid combat in situations like that seems a bit overdoing it to me, and it gives mounted combatants an even greater edge than they already have, which I don't think we want to do. But anyway, theres also the problem that Sleep takes a full round to cast, but he treated it as a standard action. Of course since Maya wouldn't be attacking Mithos until after the sleep that works goes off, it won't change anything. Theres also the problem of the total lack of coordinates or round-by-round status summary, which is required by our rules in the pairings post. Zevox
MindWandererB 12-01-06, 03:00 PM	I must disagree with the bolded part, since theres no rules for this in existance. With a sudden loss of guidance from the rider, why should the horse be doing anything but waiting for guidance unless the rider has fallen off (and is thus clearly out of it)? If this were a Pegasus or something with a decent intelligence like that I could see it, but not a horse. Really, having unintenlligent mounts deliberately avoid combat in situations like that seems a bit overdoing it to me, and it gives mounted combatants an even greater edge than they already have, which I don't think we want to do. But anyway, theres also the problem that Sleep takes a full round to cast, but he treated it as a standard action. Of course since Maya wouldn't be attacking Mithos until after the sleep that works goes off, it won't change anything. Theres also the problem of the total lack of coordinates or round-by-round status summary, which is required by our rules in the pairings post. Zevox All right, I'll concede that point, but you bring up another issue. Round 4: Mithos moves. At best, he starts his full-round casting with one standard action. Noble is hurt. Round 5: Mithos finishes casting with another standard action. Maya saves. Maya and Calabash base and attack Noble, potentially killing him. Round 6: Mithos begins casting another sleep. Maya and Calabash attack some more, assuming Noble isn't down yet. If he does go down, Mithos falls, forcing Concentration. If Noble is already down, then Maya withdraws, and at that point Calabash would probably keep doing what he was doing when she fell asleep. Same thing if Noble goes down after a single attack rather than a full attack this round. And one more issue: mount and rider share the same space and have the same HD. There should be a 50/50 chance of the spell affecting either of them.
Ravashack 12-01-06, 10:35 PM	I'm so glad Tatyana has a plethora of non-targeting powers with which to destroy these 'anti-psions' regardless of any feats they may have taken. Not to mention the ruling that dorjes/powerstones/psi-like powers are immune to Psionic Hole.. <3 Energy Burst. Please, DO come into grappling range!
McJarvis 12-01-06, 10:57 PM	Valen Sky vs Magical-Divination-Harry-Potter-Centaurs (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10777390&postcount=298) has been started. More to come soon. edit-> Not sure why I always pick Valen to write storyline for...just remembered that the last time I did this is when he faced that drow ranger...
Hirumajoe 12-01-06, 11:07 PM	Valen Sky vs Magical-Divination-Harry-Potter-Centaurs (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10777390&postcount=298) has been started. More to come soon. edit-> Not sure why I always pick Valen to write storyline for...just remembered that the last time I did this is when he faced that drow ranger... Me and my wife appreciate it. Since I make her read your fights. :-)
McJarvis 12-02-06, 12:00 AM	Me and my wife appreciate it. Since I make her read your fights. :-) Congrats to Valen Sky for winning that one. I came close-> but you got a ton of great rolls all in a row... :(
Hirumajoe 12-02-06, 12:04 AM	Congrats to Valen Sky for winning that one. I came close-> but you got a ton of great rolls all in a row... :( That's why he has the quote: "I'd rather be lucky than good." :D Thanks for the run.
Erithmu 12-02-06, 01:00 AM	Zodiac vs Wisp 3rd meeting is up. 1 hp determined the winner from the loser.
c00lz3 12-02-06, 01:25 AM	Funny thing about 1hp, Zodiac was taking 4dmg in round 5 but he took 6dmg. Also you forgot to add +2dmg from precog to my crossbow shots, Zodiac would drop in round 7.
Abyssal Stalker 12-02-06, 09:53 AM	Roy vs Ynotar (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10797462&postcount=308) is done! Some nasty rolling there. I'll try to get to the hunter fight tomorrow, might take until monday to get it finished.
Erithmu 12-02-06, 10:06 AM	Funny thing about 1hp, Zodiac was taking 4dmg in round 5 but he took 6dmg. Also you forgot to add +2dmg from precog to my crossbow shots, Zodiac would drop in round 7. Thats what I get for watching Return of the Jedi and not putting down the buffs (like I normally do). Fixed
McJarvis 12-02-06, 10:18 AM	Woooo! Go Krytos!
Vathelokai 12-02-06, 01:09 PM	Thats what I get for watching Return of the Jedi and not putting down the buffs (like I normally do). Fixed Wow. Dice gods go back to hating me. Oh well. Cycles over and I can do stuff!
spasheridan 12-02-06, 02:38 PM	@ Abyssal Stalker- You have Yontar's character listed under both characters in your fight.
Iced 12-02-06, 04:41 PM	@Gonbow - tactics received, i'll probably either run it tonight or tomorrow morning.
Krytos 12-02-06, 10:56 PM	Durin (Maraxus) vs. Vaden Wick (NiQil) is up.
Abyssal Stalker 12-03-06, 03:36 AM	@ Abyssal Stalker- You have Yontar's character listed under both characters in your fight. How did that happen? Well, it's fixed now - thanks for noticing that.
Erithmu 12-03-06, 07:21 PM	After reading the tactics, I do not envy the hunter fight that Abyssal has to run... Hunters are always a big mess.
hogarth 12-03-06, 07:23 PM	After reading the tactics, I do not envy the hunter fight that Abyssal has to run... Hunters are always a big mess. Could be worse -- it could be the Forest map!
Abyssal Stalker 12-04-06, 01:41 AM	It'll probably be a terrible mess that ends...somehow. I'll try to run it today. I hope there won't be too much mistakes, because I'm leaving to Scotland with my wife wednesday morning and don't have time to fix it on tuesday. (heh, I'm already expecting I'm going to make mistakes...:))
TelinArtho 12-04-06, 12:43 PM	Terek Molt (NiQil) vs Scallas Evencaller (Sutro) is up. A long ranged battle preceding a relatively short hugging...
NiQil 12-04-06, 12:51 PM	Terek Molt (NiQil) vs Scallas Evencaller (Sutro) is up. A long ranged battle preceding a relatively short hugging... @ Telin: One thing....that might change everything. I asked to use the attack an opponent option in a grapple, not the damage an opponent option as you used. I should be making attacks at a -4 vs his AC rather that compete in grapple rolls. Once the rage began that would be 1d20+3 vs an AC of 15 I believe...meaning I need a 12 or higher to hit when Scallas rages, and a 14 before he rages. If I get grappled, use the armor spikes and the attack an opponent option to deal damage as best I can.
McJarvis 12-04-06, 12:58 PM	Daniel Ocean (UserNamer) vs. Maelosh the Breaker (Hrothmund) (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10795754&postcount=307) is up.
TelinArtho 12-04-06, 12:58 PM	Ah - missed that. Given your good luck during the first few rounds of the grapple, I doubt it would help you, but I will certainly go back and edit accordingly. I'll finish the other fight and then go back to fix it. /d
TelinArtho 12-04-06, 01:24 PM	@McJarvis - Read up on Enlarge Person and carrying capacities. It seems that you didn't notice the part about your mass increasing by a factor of 8... I'm doing what I can in the battle - but just bear that in mind when I get it posted...
Maraxus 12-04-06, 01:45 PM	And there it is: Annalina Vale & Istima Telarc & Relanex Thines vs. Little Daisy is here and here and here. (The last part is probably the most interesting)
McJarvis 12-04-06, 01:52 PM	@McJarvis - Read up on Enlarge Person and carrying capacities. It seems that you didn't notice the part about your mass increasing by a factor of 8... I'm doing what I can in the battle - but just bear that in mind when I get it posted... PM'd you about this too, but I don't think it will meaningfully affect my tactics.
TelinArtho 12-04-06, 03:07 PM	Corbin Nightwalker (renlim) vs The Illustrated Man (McJarvis) is up. @McJarvis - I just wanted you to be aware of it - since it did mean that you would be squeezing a lot - given your opponents tactics. With an 80 ft move - you might have been able to move around the outside (I'm not sure of that). Regardless - it should definitely be listed on your sheet so that the pitlord doesn't need to do any calculations.
McJarvis 12-04-06, 03:11 PM	Corbin Nightwalker (renlim) vs The Illustrated Man (McJarvis) is up. @McJarvis - I just wanted you to be aware of it - since it did mean that you would be squeezing a lot - given your opponents tactics. With an 80 ft move - you might have been able to move around the outside (I'm not sure of that). Regardless - it should definitely be listed on your sheet so that the pitlord doesn't need to do any calculations. :D Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I just assumed the 8x weight thing would auto-scale correctly with the strength increase for some reason. There's not a whole lot I can do about it, though...my weight x 8 is higher than the horses light load alone. ((Maybe a custom item of str increase?)) Another concern-> I believe the fight rewards are wrong. Corbin had an ally that TIM scared away & thus TIM is entitled to greater reward(standard 1,125gp/xp)
TelinArtho 12-04-06, 03:13 PM	Ah - good point. Actually I was still thinking that the horse was an ally - not a class feature - so I was thinking it cancelled out. Oh and by the way - I advise you to include all of TIM's class features, since "Simple Battle Sorcerer" doesn't include that he doesn't gain a familiar and instead has an animal companion... EDIT - Fixed. Also - Fixed the other fight to include attack opponent instead of grapple for damage for Terek. This did result in an overturn surprisingly.
MindWandererB 12-04-06, 03:27 PM	And there it is: Annalina Vale & Istima Telarc & Relanex Thines vs. Little Daisy is here and here and here. (The last part is probably the most interesting) One medium issue: Prot. Evil wards off neutral summons, but Prot. Good/Chaos/Law do not. One small issue: Full defense is a standard action. Doing it at 0 HP will kill you.
McJarvis 12-04-06, 03:32 PM	One small issue: Full defense is a standard action. Doing it at 0 HP will kill you. Teehee. "Huzzah! Try to hit me now! AHHHHH! MY Spleen!" *falls over dead*
Abyssal Stalker 12-04-06, 03:57 PM	The hunter fight is (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10807801&postcount=312)done. Painful.
Macbrea 12-04-06, 03:58 PM	Well. Hippogriffons on round 7 hit relanex for Hit with 19 for 7 damage and Hit with 23 for 3 damage. Relanex is disabled. of his 13/23 hps bring him to 0/23. You will note the minor math error. So, his Full defense for the rest of combat doesn't really effect the combat but make the character sitting around doing not much.
hogarth 12-04-06, 04:01 PM	The hunter fight is (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10807801&postcount=312)done. Painful. Some comments: 1) Ordering the horses to grapple is a DC 10 check, not DC 15. 2) The energy stuns should do 2d6+2 fire damage (DC 14) since it's an ML 4 dorje. 3) Why would Reg stop Brain Locking Sinwa? Nosnra the psicrystal should be shooting sonic Acid Orbs at Torel, forcing him to fight back eventually (and break his Hide from Animals). 4) Note that once Torel starts attacking ANY CREATURE (not just any animal, so that includes Reg), his Hide from Animals is canceled, so the horses can attack him. (By the way, I appreciate the difficulty of a battle with about a zillion allies. Thanks for your hard work!)
Zevox 12-04-06, 04:30 PM	And there it is: Annalina Vale & Istima Telarc & Relanex Thines vs. Little Daisy is here and here and here. (The last part is probably the most interesting) As MWB noted, Prot. Good does not ward neutral summons (hence the lack of mention of it in my tactics), which is a problem. Also to note is that casting Call Lightning Storm is a 1-round casting time, so Daisy can't lob the lightning in the same round as its cast. This lets Istima's mount survive an extra round, which should help vs the Hippogriffs. Also, since the Hippogriffs are close enough for physical blows, Istima was supposed to use his Force Screen powerstone, which would help extend his lifespan as well if an edit is done for the potion. In any event, shouldn't Relanex have been blasting with his wand? It seems odd that all he did was take total defense that whole time. Personally, I don't think an edit will change things if the above is taken into account, especially since Istima will have the round he quaffed that potion to blast, Annalina was still around, and Relanex may have a chance to do some blasting if the Hippogriffs are after Istima. If DSugui would like one run though, I suppose either you can try to edit it in time for the deadline this week, or it can be held over (*sigh*). In any event, thanks for the run - considering the size of the battle, its pretty damn good! Edit: Just noticed the note in the summary about taxes - the taxes errand means that if Annalina wins her fight, her Guild (EHTC) gets some gold equal to a certain percentage of her winnings. So in this case, since she won, the EHTC gets 12% of her total gp winnings in gold (this is not deducted from her own winnings though - they just get it for free). Zevox
Maraxus 12-04-06, 04:43 PM	Macbrea: Whoops, this error was the number typed, the Hippogrif deals 1d4+4 damage, so 3 is unlikely. It did 6 damage (but the keys are so next to another. ;)) About the full defence: Right, I even checkt the "disabled" status in the SRD but somehow I was stuck at "...any ... action the game master deems strenuous ... deals 1 point of damage". But in fact this only counts for other actions and standard actions allways deal the damage. Well, if there is anything else to correct, I'll change that, too. For now, I just remembered, that there was that issue of rewards.... Char Level 6 wins vs. Level 9: 5,400 XP 5,400 /3 = 1,800 XP +2/7*25%= 7.147% for Daisy's eagle, -1/4*25%=6.25% for the two horse-owners. And Daisy get's 2,700 /3 = 900 XP -7.147% + 2/3*6.25% ??? Or: 1928 XP for Relanex, 1816 XP for Annalina and Istima and 873 XP for Daisy?
Iced 12-04-06, 04:48 PM	Tatyana vs Remorhaz is up here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10784410&postcount=303). ~Iced
Zevox 12-04-06, 05:37 PM	Macbrea: Whoops, this error was the number typed, the Hippogrif deals 1d4+4 damage, so 3 is unlikely. It did 6 damage (but the keys are so next to another. ;)) About the full defence: Right, I even checkt the "disabled" status in the SRD but somehow I was stuck at "...any ... action the game master deems strenuous ... deals 1 point of damage". But in fact this only counts for other actions and standard actions allways deal the damage. Well, if there is anything else to correct, I'll change that, too. For now, I just remembered, that there was that issue of rewards.... Char Level 6 wins vs. Level 9: 5,400 XP 5,400 /3 = 1,800 XP +2/7*25%= 7.147% for Daisy's eagle, -1/4*25%=6.25% for the two horse-owners. And Daisy get's 2,700 /3 = 900 XP -7.147% + 2/3*6.25% ??? Or: 1928 XP for Relanex, 1816 XP for Annalina and Istima and 873 XP for Daisy? Looks right. And those times 1.11 for the level 6s or 1.66 for Daisy yields gp, so 2,140 gp for Relanex, 2,015 gp for Annalina and Istima, and 1,449 gp for Daisy. And 241 gp in taxes to the EHTC from Annalina. Zevox
Sutro 12-04-06, 06:19 PM	One thing: First, I'm not sure why I have to take the range penalty; I relooked over my tactics and being at 110' wouldn't have triggered any part of the movement that would've made you go nuts. :) With that said, every 10 rounds starting after 6 (round 16, 26, etc.) he has to come out of total defense and shoot at me. Without the range penalty I would've landed hits in rounds 16 and 36 (24 vs. 23 and 23 vs. 23) which would've ended the fight prior to the killing crit in round 72. -Sutro
McJarvis 12-04-06, 07:04 PM	Bazili Stasha (Hrothmund) vs. Ghashara (orsono) (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10816244&postcount=315) is up @Hirm: Completed Valen's rewards
DSugui 12-04-06, 07:10 PM	If DSugui would like one run though, I suppose either you can try to edit it in time for the deadline this week, or it can be held over (*sigh*). In any event, thanks for the run - considering the size of the battle, its pretty damn good!Well, I don't have any issues beyond those already exposed. In fact, it was a great fight. I just forgot to mention in my tactics to use Baleful Polymorph on Anna if Relanex was out of combat without me using it. But the dice decided things pretty much, so I won't complain about losing... :weep: Well, congrats to Zevox and Macbrea. It was a fun fight anyway.
TheMagister 12-04-06, 07:16 PM	Tatyana vs Remorhaz is up here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10784410&postcount=303). ~Iced Isn't a creature dazed after a failed Ego Whip save? (one of the reasons I despise the power...as if losing Cha wasn't bad enough!) TM
NiQil 12-04-06, 07:23 PM	Just because it amuses me...and not to slight anyone... Rubicanti (TheMagister) vs. Montana (UserNamer) : DSugui [Forest] [Week 5] ...but anyone wanna lay odds on this fight hitting week 6? Not that I doubt DSugui will have it up before deadline...but it amuses me to speculate all the same LOL
Erithmu 12-04-06, 07:25 PM	Some comments: 1) Ordering the horses to grapple is a DC 10 check, not DC 15. 2) The energy stuns should do 2d6+2 fire damage (DC 14) since it's an ML 4 dorje. 3) Why would Reg stop Brain Locking Sinwa? Nosnra the psicrystal should be shooting sonic Acid Orbs at Torel, forcing him to fight back eventually (and break his Hide from Animals). 4) Note that once Torel starts attacking ANY CREATURE (not just any animal, so that includes Reg), his Hide from Animals is canceled, so the horses can attack him. (By the way, I appreciate the difficulty of a battle with about a zillion allies. Thanks for your hard work!) Agreement with the basics here, A minor note that it costs Reg 5 pp to brain lock Sinwa ... not 3. The changes do need to happen, and probably needs to move to my Hold Animal Tactic
DSugui 12-04-06, 08:43 PM	Just because it amuses me...and not to slight anyone... ...but anyone wanna lay odds on this fight hitting week 6? Not that I doubt DSugui will have it up before deadline...but it amuses me to speculate all the same LOLSorry to disapoint you, NiQil :P I was getting started with the fight when this came to my attention: Last edited by UserNamer : 11-21-06 at 05:22 PM. Now, technically, this fight has being extended since Nov 1st, if I am correct, what technically means Usernamer has edited his character after the deadline (at least, from that week). I don't know if anything was said about this last week (to be honest, I not always read posts unrelated to me) since the edit was right before Vath ran part of the fight. (By the way, I'm starting it over. There are tactical choices Vath make that I disagree, so I can't continue from where he left...) Anyone has anything to say about this?
NiQil 12-04-06, 09:21 PM	Sorry to disapoint you, NiQil :P I was getting started with the fight when this came to my attention: Now, technically, this fight has being extended since Nov 1st, if I am correct, what technically means Usernamer has edited his character after the deadline (at least, from that week). I don't know if anything was said about this last week (to be honest, I not always read posts unrelated to me) since the edit was right before Vath ran part of the fight. (By the way, I'm starting it over. There are tactical choices Vath make that I disagree, so I can't continue from where he left...) Anyone has anything to say about this? Simple....UserNamer forfeits. Doesn't matter if the fight has been held over for one week or twenty, the sheet still needs to remain unedited until the fight is posted. That's what the rules we play by state. Maybe I'm a hard-ass, but if we don't enforce the rules we have, what's the point in having them?
TheMagister 12-04-06, 09:21 PM	Anyone has anything to say about this? :banghead: Yeah. That about sums it up.
McJarvis 12-04-06, 09:22 PM	Simple....UserNamer forfeits. Doesn't matter if the fight has been held over for one week or twenty, the sheet still needs to remain unedited until the fight is posted. That's what the rules we play by state. Maybe I'm a hard-ass, but if we don't enforce the rules we have, what's the point in having them? To intimidate newcomers?
hogarth 12-04-06, 10:00 PM	Agreement with the basics here, A minor note that it costs Reg 5 pp to brain lock Sinwa ... not 3. The changes do need to happen, and probably needs to move to my Hold Animal Tactic Yes, Reg's power point expenditures should be: 3 - Energy Adaptation 5 - failed Brain Lock 5 - Brain Lock = 13 spent, 1 left (for Psionic Grease, if need be)
Hrothmund 12-04-06, 10:10 PM	I have some issues with the fight. The expansion thing was totally my fault. My edition of the complete psionics book has the duration of expansion listed as min/level in the power's stats. Had I looked further there is the note that it takes 3 PP total to upgrade to min/level. My bad. My tactics state clearly that I am trying to engage in melee w/ Ghashara. The only mention of attacking her animals requires me to be entangled and threatened by them and her tactics make no mention of using the entangle scroll. As I see it in round 4 Bazili would continue to move towards the center looking for Geshara, get LOS, and then move towards her which is easily achievable with a double move. Charging the animals as soon as I see them is not in my tactics. The Produce Flames in rounds 2-4 did not hit. There is a -4 penalty from ranged attack into melee and a -4 penalty from cover. However, these situations would be different if I moved towards Ghashara in round 2. My armor class goes back to 20 after my action in round 4. The summoned wolf disappears after Ghashara's turn in round 4 (summoned 1; acted rounds 2, 3, and 4; duration 3 rounds) so I was not hit by it in round 5. In general if I kept moving on Ghashara as in my tacticsI would have had a pretty good chance. She wants to avoid me at all costs which means the horse is double moving, a -4 to ranged attack. Every attack with the Produce Flame reduces its duration by a minute so she has to keep firing them. Maws can not keep up with me. At some point he looses sight of me and has not been commanded to track by scent which is definately different than using scent as part of seek. In fact I think his last command is to attack, but this seems a little gray. He can run, but would be flat-footed and unable to AoO when I moved away. After a few rounds I switch to the bow. A 5' step takes care of Maws and 3 hits from the bow takes care of the horse. It becomes a much different fight at this point. Of course I could roll poorly, but I think that if the fight was rerun from round 4 I have a good shot at winning.
McJarvis 12-04-06, 10:35 PM	My decision was based on the fact that your tactics don't really mention what to do with his allies at all. You did, however, state that "melee is priority". If you had stated to ignore the allies it would have been different-> but I was in a situation where you were treatened in melee by a class ally before you even had sight on the druid. Your conditionals kinda of addressed them(but not really) -> but I don't even look at conditionals unless those situations arise The produce flame thing IS my bad, though. I'll reformulate that tomorrow morning(before 3pm EST) You are right about the wolf's summoned time as well. I'll check into that as well.
DSugui 12-04-06, 10:45 PM	Simple....UserNamer forfeits. Doesn't matter if the fight has been held over for one week or twenty, the sheet still needs to remain unedited until the fight is posted. That's what the rules we play by state. Maybe I'm a hard-ass, but if we don't enforce the rules we have, what's the point in having them? I agree. So, unfortunatelly, Rubicanti (TheMagister) vs. Montana (UserNamer) is up HERE
Gonbow 12-04-06, 10:46 PM	Isn't a creature dazed after a failed Ego Whip save? (one of the reasons I despise the power...as if losing Cha wasn't bad enough!) TM Yep. If they fail the will save they are dazed to boot and cant do anything. There was that and Tatyana didn't expend the psycrystal's focus to auto defensively manifest the third ego whip. But said errors are minor as they didn't cost me the battle/or even the expenditure of PP really. The CHA damage rolls determined how many times I had to ego whip, which didn't change, so it's fine. EDIT: Iced, would you mind including a note about LOY getting their 11%? 286 gp. Thanks in advance.
Hrothmund 12-04-06, 11:08 PM	My decision was based on the fact that your tactics don't really mention what to do with his allies at all. I don't mean to be a pain, but are you saying that I have to mention those things that I am going to ignore. You did, however, state that "melee is priority". If you had stated to ignore the allies it would have been different-> but I was in a situation where you were treatened in melee by a class ally before you even had sight on the druid. The paragraph of the general tactics, the paragraph about using my movement to maintain melee, and the entries about searching all refer to Ghashara. The only other target ever mentioned is Ghashara's horse, and it is clearly stated that that is only a precursor to engaging Ghashara in melee. Had I ever once mentioned attacking her animal companion I would not waste your time with this post, but it feels like your interpretation was a pretty big departure from what I wrote in tactics. <Addition> I was not threatened when I attacked the allies. Bazili was made to charge them.
TheMagister 12-05-06, 12:02 AM	Then wait until the fight is up on the stickied Battles of Gladius thread. Do not edit your sheet before your fight is up or you lose automatically. Original Fight post was here by Vath on 11/18. So, it was posted, just not finished. So, the rule is there to prevent editing sheets after pairings but before fights post to include items/spells/whatever that would be fight-specific. Usernamer didn't do this. If I were him, I'd feel gypped. TM
McJarvis 12-05-06, 12:07 AM	I don't mean to be a pain, but are you saying that I have to mention those things that I am going to ignore. The paragraph of the general tactics, the paragraph about using my movement to maintain melee, and the entries about searching all refer to Ghashara. The only other target ever mentioned is Ghashara's horse, and it is clearly stated that that is only a precursor to engaging Ghashara in melee. Had I ever once mentioned attacking her animal companion I would not waste your time with this post, but it feels like your interpretation was a pretty big departure from what I wrote in tactics. <Addition> I was not threatened when I attacked the allies. Bazili was made to charge them. I don't expect you to write out tactics for every single thing your opponent is going to do(for instance, I _would_ have you just ignore the summoned nature's ally), but failing to mention anything about a Druid's animal companion is a pretty significant hole in tactics: and thus I felt I had to improvise. As it is, I did the best I could with what I was provided. I'll post corrections in the morning.
Abyssal Stalker 12-05-06, 12:55 AM	Agreement with the basics here, A minor note that it costs Reg 5 pp to brain lock Sinwa ... not 3. The changes do need to happen, and probably needs to move to my Hold Animal Tactic I'll see what I can do. Yesterday wasn't my best day. I don't have too much time to fix it, but I'll try.
Sutro 12-05-06, 01:23 AM	It might have been missed since I edited the post after the thread went to another page, but I have a question (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10819544&postcount=148) about my fight.
NiQil 12-05-06, 01:40 AM	It might have been missed since I edited the post after the thread went to another page, but I have a question (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10819544&postcount=148) about my fight. Assuming the shots are added back in as you mention in your previous post, the shots would be taken defensively, as the whole intent of my tactic was to jack my AC up as high as possible to make you come to melee. So rather than the AC of 23 you come up with, it would be an AC of 25, meaning neither of the attacks you mentioned would hit.
NiQil 12-05-06, 01:44 AM	Original Fight post was here by Vath on 11/18. So, it was posted, just not finished. So, the rule is there to prevent editing sheets after pairings but before fights post to include items/spells/whatever that would be fight-specific. Usernamer didn't do this. If I were him, I'd feel gypped. TM I stand by my previous statement. Until the fight is posted in a completed form, the sheet should not be edited. If the fight had been posted in a completed form, and then it was found that errors were evident that caused the fight to get held over further, then I could understand the error, and would probably not call for a forfeit.
TheMagister 12-05-06, 01:51 AM	Well, all right. Since you're an elder and all I won't play Devil's Advocate any further. Sorry, Usernamer, I tried. Half-heartedly (that is a lot of xp...), but I did try... TM
Sutro 12-05-06, 02:10 AM	You're absolutely right; I had always been under the impression that fighting defensively was a melee-only action but under review in the SRD you're correct. With that resolved I can't find any further argument in the overturned result other than amazement that in 60 shots no natural 20s were rolled. Obviously this will teach me to bring 200 arrows and not to explicitly rule out the use of my true strike scrolls. Hope only have 30 arrows next week doesn't screw me.
Abyssal Stalker 12-05-06, 02:32 AM	The edit is done and the fight came really close. If someone would be so kind to calculate the rewards and what was used, I would really appriciate that. I'm running out of time here...
hogarth 12-05-06, 08:28 AM	The edit is done and the fight came really close. If someone would be so kind to calculate the rewards and what was used, I would really appriciate that. I'm running out of time here... My tactics didn't mention anything about Reg's horses grappling Sinwa the bat, only Kervan or Torel. If the bat is still Brain Locked, why grapple it? Note that an ally or a helpless creature does not restrict movement through those squares. Normally I wouldn't force the issue, but like you said -- the fight was so close...
Abyssal Stalker 12-05-06, 08:44 AM	My tactics didn't mention anything about Reg's horses grappling Sinwa the bat, only Kervan or Torel. If the bat is still Brain Locked, why grapple it? Note that an ally or a helpless creature does not restrict movement through those squares. Normally I wouldn't force the issue, but like you said -- the fight was so close... Actually, this is the part that confused me here. You had the names wrong in your tactics and that messed me. 1) In general, Reg plans to use Brain Lock on Sinwa the bat (5 pp, range 150') while Nosnra orders one horse to grapple Kervan and one horse to grapple Blackrazor. The first time Reg uses Brain Lock, he'll expend his psionic focus to increase the DC by 1. If one opponent is dead, both focus on the remaining opponent.
hogarth 12-05-06, 08:50 AM	Actually, this is the part that confused me here. You had the names wrong in your tactics and that messed me. Oh...you're right. I goofed. But I got it right in my addendum: Instead of sending one horse to grapple each opponent, he and his psicrystal will direct both horses to grapple Kervan first, then Torel (if Kervan is no longer a threat).
Abyssal Stalker 12-05-06, 08:57 AM	Look, I'm really sorry but I really don't have time to edit the fight anymore. I barely have time to dig through the fight to get the 3FC info together. And I was even hoping to get the Gladius Weekly done this week, but looks like I don't have time to do that either. I should be packing at the moment, but I'm still sitting at work. If I had time to go through the fight once more, I would, but at the moment it is impossible.
hogarth 12-05-06, 09:15 AM	Look, I'm really sorry but I really don't have time to edit the fight anymore. I barely have time to dig through the fight to get the 3FC info together. And I was even hoping to get the Gladius Weekly done this week, but looks like I don't have time to do that either. I should be packing at the moment, but I'm still sitting at work. If I had time to go through the fight once more, I would, but at the moment it is impossible. O.K. Then I'm fine with it the way it is. Thanks for your work!
TelinArtho 12-05-06, 09:52 AM	First, I'm not sure why I have to take the range penalty; I relooked over my tactics and being at 110' wouldn't have triggered any part of the movement that would've made you go nuts. Here's the section of your tactics where you ask to stay a minimum of 110ft away. If it’s on the start of my round, move to a minimum of 110’ away and shoot if I still have a standard available. Move back and shoot when I’m out of his charge range (40’), run if he takes a run action to base me (but can’t AOO due to being flat-footed). Try to avoid runs if possible because it takes away deflection ability. If not on the start of my round, immediately start moving back and start trying to establish the 110’ distance. As to the firing every 10 rounds - that is an often misread part of the rules. The delay penalty is only applied in cases where there is no "meaningful" interaction between the opponents. In the case of your opponent, firing at you is not meaningful since you automatically deflect it. As such - his only means of meaningful interaction is literally sitting there trying to avoid getting hit. And as NiQil pointed out - the shots would've been fired defensively - so your point wouldn't have had an effect anyway.
Erithmu 12-05-06, 10:07 AM	Rewards for Hunter fight: Reg wins and killed 1 target, Gains - 16.67 Ally + 29 Pol (net +12.33) 1500 +500 = 2000xp = 2247xp 1600 + 533 = 2133 gp = 2396gp Torel loses and killed 1 target gains 1000xp/1066gp + 8.33% = 1083xp/1155gp Kervan lost and killed 0 targets, gains 500xp/533gp + 8.33 = 542xp/577gp Torel used: Spells: Hold Animal, Resistance Items: Pearl of Power [2], 6 arrows (5 hits 2 miss 1 recovered) Free: Guard Reg Used: Powerstones: IA [1], Vigor [2]x2, Force Screen [1], 10 charges from acid splash ring, 4 charges of Eng Stun Djore PP: 13 Acererak and Blackrazor Died Free: Gather Info: Djore of Vigor w/ 10 charges Kervan Used: Scrolls: Alter Self (Trog) [3], Expy Retreat [2], MA [1], Shield [2] Spells: Entropic Shield 2 Arrows (3 fired, 2 hit, 1 miss) Free: 115gp Double check Fight = Here Temporary holder for Abyssal while he is on vacation.
TelinArtho 12-05-06, 10:09 AM	I just finished reading all of the tactics for the ECL9 FFA... why in the world did all of you decide that Kraegin was the only one capable of dealing with Walden? Oooh - he can rebuke him - to gain +2 on attacks against him... He can't control him because his turn resistance makes that impossible - so what exactly do I have that makes me the best route to take him down...?
Macbrea 12-05-06, 10:19 AM	I think the problem is you are probably the only one with any ability to take him down. :P So, therefore, the best choice.. They flee.. I will run the fight when I get back from the doctors. I should have awhile to work on it. I got distracted too easily last night and didn't get anything really done.
McJarvis 12-05-06, 10:47 AM	All of my fights are now done & rewards are fully posted.
Hrothmund 12-05-06, 10:57 AM	The produce flames are at a total of -8 (-4 cover, -4 melee). G's tactics say nothing of moving to negate cover and surely the tactics blade cuts both ways. Therefore, the produce flames in rounds 4 and 9 miss touch AC 12. After expansion goes away in round 4 Bazili's AC goes back up to 20. Therefore, the crit does not confirm in round 8. At the end of the new fight Bazili has over half of his hit points and is one swing away from dropping the animal companion that has hijacked his tactics. Ghashara has two produce flames that are pretty unlikely to hit. Her tactics after this make no mention of using any other spells other than a wand of clw for herself, and she will not be injured until after I drop her horse. If Bazili drops Maws, my tactics start back up and a running archery contest starts up with G's sling vs B's mighty composite longbow. Then, G is alone on foot with a movement of 20'. I am in a good position to win the fight without all the mistakes included.
McJarvis 12-05-06, 10:58 AM	The produce flames are at a total of -8 (-4 cover, -4 melee). G's tactics say nothing of moving to negate cover and surely the tactics blade cuts both ways. Therefore, the produce flames in rounds 4 and 9 miss touch AC 12. After expansion goes away in round 4 Bazili's AC goes back up to 20. Therefore, the crit does not confirm in round 8. At the end of the new fight Bazili has over half of his hit points and is one swing away from dropping the animal companion that has hijacked his tactics. Ghashara has two produce flames that are pretty unlikely to hit. Her tactics after this make no mention of using any other spells other than a wand of clw for herself, and she will not be injured until after I drop her horse. If Bazili drops Maws, my tactics start back up and a running archery contest starts up with G's sling vs B's mighty composite longbow. Then, G is alone on foot with a movement of 20'. I am in a good position to win the fight without all the mistakes included. My bad..forgot about the cover penalty(I was even thinking about that as I went to sleep last night..) Will go reformulate again :)
Hrothmund 12-05-06, 11:14 AM	My bad..forgot about the cover penalty(I was even thinking about that as I went to sleep last night..) Will go reformulate again :) I really appreciate all the work, McJarvis. I hope I do not seem like a habitual complainer. The fight you ran in which my other character lost is flawless. I just chose my tactics poorly and got into an archery contest vs a wand of magic missile.
McJarvis 12-05-06, 11:21 AM	I really appreciate all the work, McJarvis. I hope I do not seem like a habitual complainer. The fight you ran in which my other character lost is flawless. I just chose my tactics poorly and got into an archery contest vs a wand of magic missile. I understand the frustration, so I don't hold it against you in any way/shape/fashion. Most of these things that are making me redo it are my own careless mistakes anyway.... :)
orsono 12-05-06, 11:27 AM	@Hrothmund good position to win the fight?!?! you happen to be fighting Gashara! The mersiless avatar of nature!! even if this fight gets run again you will fail to defeat Gashara. she will make fertilizer of your corpse, when she is done toying with you. good luck on the correction... you are going to need it! :D @McJarvis Hrothmund wrote: Ghashara has two produce flames that are pretty unlikely to hit. Her tactics after this make no mention of using any other spells other than a wand of clw for herself, and she will not be injured until after I drop her horse. that is incorrect. I specify on my tactics to use Pearls of power (I have 2) if produce flames runs out. and continue hit and run tactics.
McJarvis 12-05-06, 11:30 AM	"then recall produce flame with POP lvl 1 and continue the hit and run party." -> only refers to using one. Regardless, you just downed him with a lucky shot from a sling. If there are any more mistakes, i'll be here 'till 3est :)
orsono 12-05-06, 11:36 AM	You know McJarvis I really have to get used to being really detailed. alot of times my tactics gets spoiled decause I did not specify something correctly. Lucky shot form a sling! the gods of nature have blessed me once again! thanks for running the fight. that fight was awelsome! too close for my taste though I have to rework my tactics and specially add contingencies. about time I get lucky I been getting destroyed on the last 3 fights.
Zevox 12-05-06, 11:53 AM	@ MWB - So, it looks like UserNamer has completely missed or ignored the issues with Mithos vs Maya. Is that getting held over then? Zevox
orsono 12-05-06, 12:42 PM	question: if a animal companion dies during week 2 of the 3wc. does he gets resurected after the 3wc ends? or does he comes back for the next fight?
hogarth 12-05-06, 12:47 PM	question: if a animal companion dies during week 2 of the 3wc. does he gets resurected after the 3wc ends? or does he comes back for the next fight? The ally comes back after the cycle ends.
TelinArtho 12-05-06, 12:47 PM	After the cycle is over. GAH - too slow...
TelinArtho 12-05-06, 01:02 PM	@McJarvis - regarding your comment in the Danidus fight - you should know that paladin's can use the lay on hands up to the maximum amount at any time: If a magic item can be used more often than a number of times per day (for example, if it can be used twice an hour), then the CoCo places no special restriction on it; that item could be used twice in the 3-Fight Cycle, as normal (or even more times, in the highly unlikely case of the fight lasting more than an hour). Likewise, a paladin's Lay on Hand ability and similar things not based on x/d uses is not subject to the 1/3 Rule and can be used normally but any point or application spend is not available until after the 3-Fight Cycle is complete.
Hirumajoe 12-05-06, 01:16 PM	Featylec Elendi vs Seven Ogres can be found here.
spasheridan 12-05-06, 01:32 PM	@hirumajoe - you didn't list CLW from Featylec in his used items list - he drank some potions and used his wand a few times, right? Or does that not get listed there?
McJarvis 12-05-06, 01:34 PM	The ally comes back after the cycle ends. But only if the ally was brought to -10 hp. Maws was only brought to -4.
McJarvis 12-05-06, 01:40 PM	@McJarvis - regarding your comment in the Danidus fight - you should know that paladin's can use the lay on hands up to the maximum amount at any time: Thank you for bringing this to my attention....I really just said it on reflex(and it was the reason I had him only use 4 hp of healing instead of all 6 -> not that it made a difference)
Abyssal Stalker 12-05-06, 01:41 PM	Added the rewards to the hunter fight.
Zevox 12-05-06, 02:20 PM	Featylec Elendi vs Seven Ogres can be found here. Looks pretty good. One note: Chameleon lasts 10 minutes per level, not 1, so the tattoo wouldn't have worn off until round 101. Ogres got unusually lucky, but otherwise went as expected. Edit: Looks like you also forgot that the canopy gives him concealment (20% miss chance for the Ogres), but that won't make any real difference, so don't worry about it. You forgot his 4 used CLW Wand Charges in the wrap up, but thats all that needs changing really. Thanks for the run. Zevox
MindWandererB 12-05-06, 02:42 PM	@ MWB - So, it looks like UserNamer has completely missed or ignored the issues with Mithos vs Maya. Is that getting held over then? Zevox As Pitlords this week, I have to follow the rules. Fortunately for my sake, UserNamer has a complete botch for the rewards section. I have told him twice that he is required to fix that, if nothing else, to get credit for running the fight. If he does, I have to accept the results as they are at that point. If not, it will be held over (and reassigned, since UserNamer says he's too busy to do CoCo for a few weeks).
Erithmu 12-05-06, 03:35 PM	Added the rewards to the hunter fight. Me thinks your rewards are wrong. I'm guessing you counted Sinwa as an Ally, but Sinwa is a class ally so no ally penalty there. Either that or there is the issue that it is a hunter fight, so you only get bonus rewards for killing an opponent that you are targeting, not for surviving. Can I get a third opinion on this one?
hogarth 12-05-06, 03:39 PM	Me thinks your rewards are wrong. I'm guessing you counted Sinwa as an Ally, but Sinwa is a class ally so no ally penalty there. Either that or there is the issue that it is a hunter fight, so you only get bonus rewards for killing an opponent that you are targeting, not for surviving. Can I get a third opinion on this one? I'm not totally sure what's going on, but it looked like he gave Torel (Winner+1*Loser), Reg (2*Loser) and Kervan (1*Loser). I think the issue might be that, in Hunter fights, knocking someone out counts as "defeating" them so it could be claimed that Reginald "defeated" Torel (even though he ended up dying first). I asked a question in the Oracle thread to try and clarify the rewards.
Erithmu 12-05-06, 03:43 PM	I saw that ... even still they would be off. My rewards for Kervan's should be right no matter who is 'defeated' at the end. I'm sure it is just due to him getting out of town today, It does look like he basically did FFA rewards. If it is ok w/ you guys, can we just temporarly link to the post here in the FotW thread till he changes it when he gets back. I'll edit accordingly depending on what the Oracle thread resolves.
Gonbow 12-05-06, 03:48 PM	Zassl vs Ihdald and Andurwin is up. Setup is here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10828511&postcount=327). Fight proper is here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10828511&postcount=328). @Maraxus, Milov, Zelck I'm sorry your fight is late. Only last night did I realize that this fight was a 2nd week fight, I'd been waiting for tactics all this time that never came. But it's done with now.
hogarth 12-05-06, 03:53 PM	If it is ok w/ you guys, can we just temporarly link to the post here in the FotW thread till he changes it when he gets back. I'll edit accordingly depending on what the Oracle thread resolves. That was my plan. No matter what the rewards are, they won't move Reginald to 6th level. Edit: It looks like he gave: Torel (Winner+1*Loser)*(1.1666) xp instead of (Winner+?*Loser)*(1.0833) xp Kervan (1*Loser)*(1.1666) xp instead of (1*Loser)*(1.0833) xp Reginald (2*Loser)*(1.075) xp instead of (?*Loser)*(1.1234) xp
Hirumajoe 12-05-06, 04:20 PM	@hirumajoe - you didn't list CLW from Featylec in his used items list - he drank some potions and used his wand a few times, right? Or does that not get listed there? Thanks for pointing this out. He used 4 charges from his wand of cure light wounds. The potions were actually drunk by the Ogres. But since they all died, no one really cares what they used. :-) Fight rewards have been fixed.
Hirumajoe 12-05-06, 04:25 PM	Looks pretty good. One note: Chameleon lasts 10 minutes per level, not 1, so the tattoo wouldn't have worn off until round 101. Ogres got unusually lucky, but otherwise went as expected. Edit: Looks like you also forgot that the canopy gives him concealment (20% miss chance for the Ogres), but that won't make any real difference, so don't worry about it. You forgot his 4 used CLW Wand Charges in the wrap up, but thats all that needs changing really. Thanks for the run. Zevox CLW fixed, as per other post. Oh, didn't realize that. Which would have made your sniping much more effective. Which probably would have saved you a single CLW charge. Since I did actually roll the miss chances, but started doing so in round 22, where I rolled all 3 previous ones (when I remembered.) And one missed, which meant I went to the CLW tactic a bit too early (oh well). And then you too a hit or two later, so I figured I'd let it slide. Bleh, I just don't want to touch that fight again. Eight guys isn't particularly fun. Apologies for the sloppy positioning at the end, but I figured you could get anywhere you wanted undetected. What with the *huge* range penalty on hearing and your stealth being just high enough to auto-hide. Nice character btw. :-)
Erithmu 12-05-06, 05:39 PM	Abyssal's hunter fight rewards updated with Oracle ruling, please double check.
Pitlords 12-05-06, 06:55 PM	I've finally updated the roster with everything that isn't late, and flagged the fights that are. I encourage everyone to double-check my work, since this is my first time doing it. Things look pretty good. I know the ECL 9 FFA is underway. Uhme's MQ is late by design. UserNamer is gone, so his two incomplete fights will likely remain that way (and it's probably impossible for someone to pick up his monster fight that hasn't even been rolled). And that looks like it.
DSugui 12-05-06, 07:13 PM	@Macbrea: I see the first rounds of the FFA is up, so I have a comment: Inflict spells deal half damage on a successfull save.
Erithmu 12-05-06, 07:20 PM	I've finally updated the roster with everything that isn't late, and flagged the fights that are. I encourage everyone to double-check my work, since this is my first time doing it. Things look pretty good. I know the ECL 9 FFA is underway. Uhme's MQ is late by design. UserNamer is gone, so his two incomplete fights will likely remain that way (and it's probably impossible for someone to pick up his monster fight that hasn't even been rolled). And that looks like it. Uhme's MQ is done ... Cat and I found 20 min to do it over IM
McJarvis 12-05-06, 07:21 PM	I'm going to pick up Mithos Durrol (Zevox) vs. Maya Redwine (MindwandererB) : UserNamer [Arena] & fix it//sort everything out so we don't have a fight extending over to next week. Formulating now. (I'm assuming Zevox will agree to this, and MWB just agreed to it on IM)
MindWandererB 12-05-06, 07:23 PM	Uhme's MQ is done ... Cat and I found 20 min to do it over IM Ah, you're right. It got framed by the two DSugui quests in the Questlog, which is why I failed to notice it.
Zevox 12-05-06, 07:36 PM	I'm going to pick up Mithos Durrol (Zevox) vs. Maya Redwine (MindwandererB) : UserNamer [Arena] & fix it//sort everything out so we don't have a fight extending over to next week. Formulating now. (I'm assuming Zevox will agree to this, and MWB just agreed to it on IM) Works for me :) . *fingers crossed* Oh, didn't realize that. Which would have made your sniping much more effective. Which probably would have saved you a single CLW charge. Since I did actually roll the miss chances, but started doing so in round 22, where I rolled all 3 previous ones (when I remembered.) And one missed, which meant I went to the CLW tactic a bit too early (oh well). And then you too a hit or two later, so I figured I'd let it slide. Bleh, I just don't want to touch that fight again. Eight guys isn't particularly fun. Apologies for the sloppy positioning at the end, but I figured you could get anywhere you wanted undetected. What with the *huge* range penalty on hearing and your stealth being just high enough to auto-hide. No problem at all - Featylec basically couldn't lose here without some serious crits on thier part anyway (which were impossible unless he left the treetops due to the cover to his AC), so I don't mind. Besides, I know what mass fights like that can be like - I had to run one between two PCs and eight monsters once (5 Sahuagin, 2 Gnolls, and a Hyena vs two of NiQil's horsemen), and that was with minimum rolls for the monsters (thank you God!). Nice character btw. :-) Thanks :) . Though he wasn't so good at lower levels, but the campaign fixed that right up (Rogues do a lot better in groups than solo). Hide in Plain Sight is just nasty, and since Featylec is a good warrior in his own right, its not his only trick, which is very nice. And it'll be even nicer when he gets his Shadow Companion at level 10 - an incorporeal friend that saps strength from his enemies is going to be annoying as hell to them ;) . Zevox
TheMagister 12-05-06, 07:49 PM	Are you sure that he can't stick around and be a WAR go-to guy? ... Please? Let those Achosians stand on their own two feet for a while! :mad:
Zevox 12-05-06, 07:53 PM	Are you sure that he can't stick around and be a WAR go-to guy? ... Please? Let those Achosians stand on their own two feet for a while! :mad: *chuckles* Actually, I don't think the next campaign will have much, if anything, to do with Achos itself - more so the power behind the usurper, by the look of things. But anyway, sorry, but hes not missing out on an opportunity like that - Featylec's a wanderer at heart anyway, and he just loves big adventures in strange lands. He'll give you every ounce of help he can in the meantime though :) . Zevox
Macbrea 12-05-06, 08:11 PM	@Macbrea: I see the first rounds of the FFA is up, so I have a comment: Inflict spells deal half damage on a successfull save. Damage 19/2=9 Appears to be half.
Maraxus 12-05-06, 08:31 PM	Zassl vs Ihdald and Andurwin is up. Setup is here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10828511&postcount=327). Fight proper is here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10828511&postcount=328). @Maraxus, Milov, Zelck I'm sorry your fight is late. Only last night did I realize that this fight was a 2nd week fight, I'd been waiting for tactics all this time that never came. But it's done with now. Ah, to bad, why haven't you said anything on Saturday? Anyway, there is a little problem: The Ray of enfeeblement would have hit. Attacking from invisible gives +2 to the attack. It won't save me from the good attack next round, but buy me some hit points. ... And then, why do I suddenly charge with the mace? First, I wanted to cast shield. Second, in melee I wanted to attack with Shocking grasp or vampiric touch should I be low on hp. (The mace is only for AoOs. ;)) Ohoh, I think I see. ... You read ... "(attack with Shocking grasp or vampiric touch) should I be low on hp", while I wanted to "attack with Shocking grasp (or vampiric touch should I be low on hp)", right? Hm, even then, at 5 hp ... *checks comments* ah, to save my spell levels. Okay, but I think, I could win this with the Ray of enfeeblement scoring a hit. If you had time, I'd like to see this - but then I don't know, when my opponents want to update their sheets. So if you don't have the time to change it before ... 5 PM, GMT (?) tomorrow, I'll accept it as it is now.
McJarvis 12-05-06, 09:06 PM	Mithos vs Maya (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10830812&postcount=329) is up. I thought I was picking up a free credit for just sorting out a simple sleep spell//fight results, and I got a 50 round sniping battle instead. Gah :(
Zelck 12-05-06, 09:20 PM	@Macbrea: Walden is not trying to grapple Kraegin, he's trying to throw him into the lava with the Violent Thrust version of it.
MindWandererB 12-05-06, 09:23 PM	Mithos vs Maya (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10830812&postcount=329) is up. I thought I was picking up a free credit for just sorting out a simple sleep spell//fight results, and I got a 50 round sniping battle instead. Gah :( Dude... I invited a surrender for a reason. Thanks for the pick-up.
McJarvis 12-05-06, 09:24 PM	Dude... I invited a surrender for a reason. Thanks for the pick-up. Shame he didn't take it. =\
Macbrea 12-05-06, 09:27 PM	@Macbrea: Walden is not trying to grapple Kraegin, he's trying to throw him into the lava with the Violent Thrust version of it. Ok, will do it next time you have capabilities.. You failed your save vs sanctuary. So, your waiting a bit.
Macbrea 12-05-06, 11:31 PM	Odd rules question for people.. Does your allies count for the leaving the map rule? It states that you loose if you leave the map for more then 10 rounds. Your ally according to that could in theory stay ethereal for the whole match.
Zevox 12-05-06, 11:37 PM	Mithos vs Maya (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10830812&postcount=329) is up. I thought I was picking up a free credit for just sorting out a simple sleep spell//fight results, and I got a 50 round sniping battle instead. Gah :( One thing that may save Mithos, if I may: Round 6: Maya has moved to 120' away. Sleep has a range of 110' and a radius of 10'. Ergo, Mithos can get it off and affect her. Zevox
Gonbow 12-05-06, 11:43 PM	Ah, to bad, why haven't you said anything on Saturday? Anyway, there is a little problem: The Ray of enfeeblement would have hit. Attacking from invisible gives +2 to the attack. It won't save me from the good attack next round, but buy me some hit points. ... And then, why do I suddenly charge with the mace? First, I wanted to cast shield. Second, in melee I wanted to attack with Shocking grasp or vampiric touch should I be low on hp. (The mace is only for AoOs. ;)) Ohoh, I think I see. ... You read ... "(attack with Shocking grasp or vampiric touch) should I be low on hp", while I wanted to "attack with Shocking grasp (or vampiric touch should I be low on hp)", right? Hm, even then, at 5 hp ... *checks comments* ah, to save my spell levels. Okay, but I think, I could win this with the Ray of enfeeblement scoring a hit. If you had time, I'd like to see this - but then I don't know, when my opponents want to update their sheets. So if you don't have the time to change it before ... 5 PM, GMT (?) tomorrow, I'll accept it as it is now. Part of the puzzle is understanding what time of year it is for alot of people in college, like myself. Finals time. If people didn't send tactics for my fight... that was fine with me. I could post a quick 'everyone loses' or 'X loses' and go on with getting work done, so I didn't look too deep past the empty inbox. Fair? Not really, which is why I apologized, because I had something to apologize for. You are right, that ray of enfeeble would have hit. However, I don't feel it would have changed the situation. You are in the same situation the next turn as if it had missed; namely, you are able to be targetted by Andurwin and at low hit points, where a single manifestation kills you. Without Bubba running interference and drawing their attention, combined with your lack of area-affect damage to take out both your opponents at the same time, I felt that surrender was your best improvisation. The melee combat was purely thematic in nature. Enfeebling Andurwin doesn't change that situation; so while I apologize for the error and I understand your imperative to get as much of a chance for your character as possible, I simply cannot justify putting time I'll be using to study into your fight. Of course, it could be worse, you guys could be going into your third week, hey? ;) Sorry mate.
McJarvis 12-05-06, 11:45 PM	One thing that may save Mithos, if I may: Round 6: Maya has moved to 120' away. Sleep has a range of 110' and a radius of 10'. Ergo, Mithos can get it off and affect her. Zevox Sleep: 110 ft range + 10 ft "reach" = 120 ft range Maya: 120 ft range + 5 ft "reach" = 125 ft range. The map may not be accurate due to my own carelessness, but tactics-wise I believe she is just out of range.
Zevox 12-05-06, 11:46 PM	Sleep: 110 ft range + 10 ft "reach" = 120 ft range Maya: 120 ft range + 5 ft "reach" = 125 ft range. The map may not be accurate due to my own carelessness, but tactics-wise I believe she is just out of range. Three words: Five-foot step.
McJarvis 12-05-06, 11:47 PM	Three words: Five-foot step. In the middle of casting a spell? :confused:
Zevox 12-05-06, 11:49 PM	In the middle of casting a spell? :confused: You can take a 5-foot step before, during, or after your other actions in the round. Yes.
NiQil 12-05-06, 11:49 PM	In the middle of casting a spell? :confused: Allow me: Take 5-Foot Step You can move 5 feet in any round when you don’t perform any other kind of movement. Taking this 5-foot step never provokes an attack of opportunity. You can’t take more than one 5-foot step in a round, and you can’t take a 5-foot step in the same round when you move any distance. You can take a 5-foot step before, during, or after your other actions in the round. You can only take a 5-foot-step if your movement isn’t hampered by difficult terrain or darkness. Any creature with a speed of 5 feet or less can’t take a 5-foot step, since moving even 5 feet requires a move action for such a slow creature. You may not take a 5-foot step using a form of movement for which you do not have a listed speed. Edit: Doh! Missed it by that much!
MitzaVolchenko 12-05-06, 11:52 PM	Odd rules question for people.. Do your allies count for the leaving the map rule? It states that you lose if you leave the map for more then 10 rounds. Your ally according to that could in theory stay ethereal for the whole match. I would probably make a judgement call of, if the ally stays out of the arena for more than ten rounds, they are out of the fight for the remainder of it.
McJarvis 12-05-06, 11:56 PM	*blinks* Among creatures with equal HD, those who are closest to the spell’s point of origin are affected first. The horse is closer. (Not in game terms technically, but you'd be hard pressed to argue the horse isn't closer in all reality) edit-> I'm really tired right now...an edit will come in the morning if it is deserved. Let me know how sleep interacts with a rider & horse when both have the same hd and are in the same square. edit #2-> If Maya dropped for a cover bonus that would definately solve the question of who is closer
NiQil 12-06-06, 12:00 AM	*blinks* The horse is closer. (Not in game terms technically, but you'd be hard pressed to argue the horse isn't closer in all reality) edit-> I'm really tired right now...an edit will come in the morning if it is deserved. Let me know how sleep interacts with a rider & horse when both have the same hd and are in the same square. If I am reading the fight correctly, isn't the horse dead at this point? That would sorta make this moot. Nevermind...looking at the wrong character. In this case, since rider and mount occupy the same space, if they have equal HD, then it would be a purely random roll as to whether it affected the rider or the mount.
McJarvis 12-06-06, 12:00 AM	If I am reading the fight correctly, isn't the horse dead at this point? That would sorta make this moot. Maya is mounted, Mithos's horse is dead. nevermind, you figured it out
Zevox 12-06-06, 12:02 AM	*blinks* The horse is closer. (Not in game terms technically, but you'd be hard pressed to argue the horse isn't closer in all reality) edit-> I'm really tired right now...an edit will come in the morning if it is deserved. Let me know how sleep interacts with a rider & horse when both have the same hd and are in the same square. According to MWB's post earlier, its randomized. I'd tend to agree with him, since in game terms they use the same space. Zevox
McJarvis 12-06-06, 12:05 AM	erm..tried to edit above post before, but... If Maya drops for a cover bonus with a DC 15 ride check, that more or less cinches that the horse is closer. edit-> regardless of how we figure this out, I want an elder ruling on the matter. I remember thinking about this over a year ago and always wanted to know what happened...
Zevox 12-06-06, 12:07 AM	erm..tried to edit above post before, but... If Maya drops for a cover bonus with a DC 15 ride check, that more or less cinches that the horse is closer. *sigh* I suppose if you want to rule it that way, I have no way to argue (pitlord call). Suffice to say, theres a number of reasons I'd disagree (mounted combat rules say they use the same space for simplicity's sake, MWB has said its randomized, how does she know to do that at that particular time w/o spellcraft or know (arcana), how is it that the horse is conveniently angled just right for such to work, etc), but its your domain. Zevox
NiQil 12-06-06, 12:09 AM	erm..tried to edit above post before, but... If Maya drops for a cover bonus with a DC 15 ride check, that more or less cinches that the horse is closer. edit-> regardless of how we figure this out, I want an elder ruling on the matter. I remember thinking about this over a year ago and always wanted to know what happened... Ride check wouldn't apply, because there is no attack being made that a ride check can be used against. As for a ruling, as per Zevox' previous post, it appears that MWB and I are in agreeance....it's a random roll since rider and mount are considered to occupy the same space and have the same HD.
McJarvis 12-06-06, 12:10 AM	*sigh* I suppose if you want to rule it that way, I have no way to argue (pitlord call). Suffice to say, theres a number of reasons I'd disagree (mounted combat rules say they use the same space for simplicity's sake, how does she know to do that at that particular time w/o spellcraft or know (arcana), how is it that the horse is conveniently angled just right for such to work, etc), but its your domain. Zevox Really what's driving me right now is the lateness of the fight & how little time I have on my hands tonight/tomorrow. I know that isn't your fault, but it is the reality of it. I still have my own characters to prep before 3pm, as well as "real life" work to do. If it isn't a hard rule of CoCo, I'd be just as inclined to say that the horse fell asleep & maya smacked it awake, which then proceded to the rest of the fight. An Oracle decision is really needed, methinks.
NiQil 12-06-06, 12:10 AM	Really what's driving me right now is the lateness of the fight & how little time I have on my hands tonight/tomorrow. I know that isn't your fault, but it is the reality of it. I still have my own characters to prep before 3pm, as well as "real life" work to do. If it isn't a hard rule of CoCo, I'd be just as inclined to say that the horse fell asleep & maya smacked it awake, which then proceded to the rest of the fight. An Oracle decision is really needed, methinks. See above previous page.
McJarvis 12-06-06, 12:21 AM	See above previous page. *nod* done and done. I don't think there will be a meaningful change...the timing might be a bit different, though.
Zevox 12-06-06, 12:26 AM	*nod* done and done. I don't think there will be a meaningful change...the timing might be a bit different, though. *shrugs* Should be simple enough - if Maya is affected and fails the save (and stays on the mount rather than falling off - 75% chance to stay on w/ military saddle), Mithos wins by CDG. If the horse is affected, Maya makes the save, or Maya fails but falls off the horse and is awakened by the falling damage, things go as before, no alterations needed. Zevox
McJarvis 12-06-06, 12:27 AM	*shrugs* Should be simple enough - if Maya is affected and fails the save (and stays on the mount rather than falling off - 75% chance to stay on w/ military saddle), Mithos wins by CDG. If the horse is affected or she makes the save, things go as before, no alterations needed. Zevox sorry...I meant it's already done. Check and see-> she fell off her mount. That's what I meant by timing will be off...now she has to stand up from prone & remount before continuing with sequence of events.
Zevox 12-06-06, 12:31 AM	sorry...I meant it's already done. Check and see-> she fell off her mount. That's what I meant by timing will be off...now she has to stand up from prone & remount before continuing with sequence of events. Bah, no need to edit the whole damn thing for that. We know what'll happen, and thats what matters. Thanks for putting up with the complaint and running the match so promptly :) . Zevox
Macbrea 12-06-06, 12:54 AM	Does this look right on how Free for all is calculated? Dronnar Kraegin Walden Sunstroke xp 5400 2700 1800 900 Dron -14.29% 14.29% 14.29% 14.29% Krea 17.86% -17.86% 17.86% 17.86% Wal 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% Sun 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 3.57% -3.57% 32.14% 32.14% xp 5,593 2,604 2,379 1,189 gold 9,284 4,321 3,948 1,974 Assuming level 9 characters. Dronnar with a CR 4 ally and Kreagin with a CR 5 ally.
Zelck 12-06-06, 01:05 AM	I have a large problem with Walden's fight. Elders have ruled that you cannot find an invisible person just by moving into its square because that person can always choose to avoid, and it should be the same way for detecting a hidden opponent and for areas where sight doesn't function (inside a wall). Additionally, I should have been inside the floor and healing when I was damaged. At that point, the horse could not have found me since a) it can't see inside of objects even though it's ethereal, and b) it's not incorporeal so it doesn't get the auto-detect adjacent beings ability. Even if it did bump into me the first time, it should not know how I would withdraw and thus I should be able to get away eventually. Relevant SRD passage: An ethereal creature can see and hear into the Material Plane in a 60-foot radius, though material objects still block sight and sound. (An ethereal creature can’t see through a material wall, for instance.) An ethereal creature inside an object on the Material Plane cannot see. Things on the Material Plane, however, look gray, indistinct, and ghostly. An ethereal creature can’t affect the Material Plane, not even magically. An ethereal creature, however, interacts with other ethereal creatures and objects the way material creatures interact with material creatures and objects. If this turns out to be a valid objection, I'm going to have to ask that this fight be held over. It had a huge effect on the results of the fight.
Macbrea 12-06-06, 01:15 AM	I am going to request not to run Walden again. The character is an example of why ghosts should be banned. Also, please place your correct move silent with a note that you auto pass any checks vs it. As you have an incorrect annotation of the character sheet.
Zelck 12-06-06, 01:23 AM	The character is an example of why ghosts should be banned. I'm afraid I don't quite follow why. Also, please place your correct move silent with a note that you auto pass any checks vs it. As you have an incorrect annotation of the character sheet. Oh come on, +infinity is roughly the same thing ;). By the way, I didn't catch this question earlier, but I think I remember hearing that allies are not affected by the out of arena penalty. Otherwise, Walden's psicrystal would last 10 rounds before it gets poofed since it can't manifest.
Maraxus 12-06-06, 01:50 AM	Does this look right on how Free for all is calculated? Dronnar Kraegin Walden Sunstroke xp 5400 2700 1800 900 Dron -14.29% 14.29% 14.29% 14.29% Krea 17.86% -17.86% 17.86% 17.86% Wal 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% Sun 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 3.57% -3.57% 32.14% 32.14% xp 5,593 2,604 2,379 1,189 gold 9,284 4,321 3,948 1,974 Assuming level 9 characters. Dronnar with a CR 4 ally and Kreagin with a CR 5 ally. I think the positive %ages are divided by 1/3 (or in other words, you get reward adjustments on the diffrence between the average opponents allies and your own) And it makes sense. Imagine everybody brought a 25% ally, then everybody should get +/- 0%. With your method everybody would get +50%.
MitzaVolchenko 12-06-06, 02:26 AM	I have a large problem with Walden's fight. Elders have ruled that you cannot find an invisible person just by moving into its square because that person can always choose to avoid, and it should be the same way for detecting a hidden opponent and for areas where sight doesn't function (inside a wall). Additionally, I should have been inside the floor and healing when I was damaged. At that point, the horse could not have found me since a) it can't see inside of objects even though it's ethereal, and b) it's not incorporeal so it doesn't get the auto-detect adjacent beings ability. Even if it did bump into me the first time, it should not know how I would withdraw and thus I should be able to get away eventually. If this turns out to be a valid objection, I'm going to have to ask that this fight be held over. It had a huge effect on the results of the fight. I just read through the fight and looked at the maps. I am having a hard time understanding your objection to being spotted by another ethereal being. The nightmare should have little trouble finding Walden. I actually think you got more latitude than you deserved. I would have made you work blind every time you decided to hide in the floor. I will grant that the nightmare can't see you inside the actual block of the floor if it is viewing with an aspect to seeing the Material Plane, but every time you move into or out of it, it gets the opportunity to use the pretty horsey head the gods gave it and know where you are. I might make it attack with the 50% miss chance for the visibility issue, though this seems pertinent as well: Even if a creature on the Material Plane can see an ethereal creature the ethereal creature is on another plane. Only force effects can affect the ethereal creatures. If, on the other hand, both creatures are ethereal, they can affect each other normally. The blocks of stone only exist on the Material Plane,as far as I know. It has never come up in one of my fights that I needed to get clarification on the Ethereal Plane of the Arena. On the Ethereal Plane, the two creatures are interacting without physical obstruction. I believe the vision statements you cite relates to the ethereal beings viewing the Material Plane, not each other on the Ethereal Plane. As for + Infinity, I take a dim view of anything fluffy that obscures a hard number/fact. It falls into the same category as calling an Air Gnome or whatever the character I am thinking of an outsider. It isn't an outsider, and a busy pitlord should not have to scan for what it actually is. A busy pitlord should never have to calculate a number for you because you found infinity funnier. Any ethereal opponent needs to interact with your real score. The debate on ghosts has gone on for some time. The fact that they are incorporeal/ethereal in nature makes them a real PITA for the leaving the arena/delay rules.
MindWandererB 12-06-06, 03:15 AM	Re: Mithos/Maya: Had it mattered, I would have argued the timing. A spell that takes 1 round to cast is a full-round action. It comes into effect just before the beginning of your turn in the round after you began casting the spell.You can't take a 5' step when it isn't your turn, and the spell is finished before your turn starts. I had actually read the spell targeting to try to figure this out, but I mis-read it; I thought for some reason it was one of those "X or more targets within a 10' radius" effects. Sleep is slightly different, since it really is a burst. Re: the FFA: If Macbrea declines the re-run, the results stand. The rewards are of course wrong: Kraegin gets -17.86%, +14.29%/3 = -13.10%. Dronnar gets -14.29%, +17.86%/3 = -8.34%. The others get +(17.86/3 + 14.29/3) = +10.72%. Walden definitely should have a number for MS, with an "always succeeds" note. And speaking of rewards: McJarvis, you haven't posted rewards for Valen vs. Centaurs yet.
hogarth 12-06-06, 08:46 AM	One thing that may save Mithos, if I may: Round 6: Maya has moved to 120' away. Sleep has a range of 110' and a radius of 10'. Ergo, Mithos can get it off and affect her. Zevox @Zevox. McJarvis, MWB -- it doesn't work that way. No part of an area effect spell can reach beyond the spell's range; it's like there's an invisible wall that cuts off the spell. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#range A spell’s range indicates how far from you it can reach, as defined in the Range entry of the spell description. A spell’s range is the maximum distance from you that the spell’s effect can occur, as well as the maximum distance at which you can designate the spell’s point of origin. If any portion of the spell’s area would extend beyond this range, that area is wasted. It sounds silly, but it's in the rules.
DSugui 12-06-06, 09:42 AM	Wow. After the first few rounds I thought Dronnar was done for good, and only a miracle could make him win... I think I'm going to give Dronnar the title of "Die Hard"... @Macbrea: in the wrap up, you list Dronnar having used 14 pp, but he only used 4, and you didn't list the powerstone of Dissolving Weapon he used.
hogarth 12-06-06, 09:48 AM	By the way, I didn't catch this question earlier, but I think I remember hearing that allies are not affected by the out of arena penalty. Otherwise, Walden's psicrystal would last 10 rounds before it gets poofed since it can't manifest. Considering you can leave your allies out of the arena altogether (even though you're prebuffed them), I don't see why you can't leave them on the ethereal plane.
Macbrea 12-06-06, 09:57 AM	I was looking at it from the view point of the Nightmare ally. It can go ethereal at will. Which means you could take it. Have it go ethereal for more then 10 rounds without it being affected by the fight. It might be useful for Uncarnate Allies, later.
Erithmu 12-06-06, 10:15 AM	Re: ECL 9 FFA: ... I haven't seen Telin post this, and normally he includes it in his tactics, but Pro Evil allows SR for a bypass .. and all of his summons have it. Achaierai has SR 19, Huge and Large Centipede has 11 and 8 respectively vs CL 1 potion.
Zelck 12-06-06, 10:45 AM	I just read through the fight and looked at the maps. I am having a hard time understanding your objection to being spotted by another ethereal being. The nightmare should have little trouble finding Walden. I actually think you got more latitude than you deserved. I would have made you work blind every time you decided to hide in the floor. I will grant that the nightmare can't see you inside the actual block of the floor if it is viewing with an aspect to seeing the Material Plane, but every time you move into or out of it, it gets the opportunity to use the pretty horsey head the gods gave it and know where you are. I might make it attack with the 50% miss chance for the visibility issue, though this seems pertinent as well: The blocks of stone only exist on the Material Plane,as far as I know. It has never come up in one of my fights that I needed to get clarification on the Ethereal Plane of the Arena. On the Ethereal Plane, the two creatures are interacting without physical obstruction. I believe the vision statements you cite relates to the ethereal beings viewing the Material Plane, not each other on the Ethereal Plane.OK, I checked the Rules of the Game article, and you're right. In this case, though, it's really stupid to have Walden withdraw for 5 rounds, basically letting the nightmare kill him without fighting. He should have been doing something else. As for + Infinity, I take a dim view of anything fluffy that obscures a hard number/fact. It falls into the same category as calling an Air Gnome or whatever the character I am thinking of an outsider. It isn't an outsider, and a busy pitlord should not have to scan for what it actually is. A busy pitlord should never have to calculate a number for you because you found infinity funnier. Any ethereal opponent needs to interact with your real score. Actually, I don't think they make sounds even on the ethereal plane. The whole reason I put +infinity and not a note is so a busy pitlord wouldn't check the modifier, say "OK, it's a +3", and miss the note. But alright, I'll make the note.
McJarvis 12-06-06, 11:02 AM	And speaking of rewards: McJarvis, you haven't posted rewards for Valen vs. Centaurs yet. <_< >_> *click click click* Sure I have...you must have looked wrong. ;) Valen's character sheet already had the info on it, so no serious harm done..
Macbrea 12-06-06, 11:11 AM	You had instructions that stated run from his summoned creatures. I don't think doing any other action would have been within the way your tactics were written. The nightmare is a lesser planar ally.
Zelck 12-06-06, 11:14 AM	You had instructions that stated run from his summoned creatures. I don't think doing any other action would have been within the way your tactics were written. The nightmare is a lesser planar ally. The only relevant passage is: I'm don't think any of the summons can do much, but try to stay away from them. If they get really pesky, wait them out or take them out. The above attack methods should apply here. It should have been readily apparent the moment the nightmare went ethereal and negated all forms of cover/concealment that it was going to be impossible to stay away from. It could even be argued that it was a big concern even from round 1.
Macbrea 12-06-06, 11:20 AM	Actually, I don't think they make sounds even on the ethereal plane. The whole reason I put +infinity and not a note is so a busy pitlord wouldn't check the modifier, say "OK, it's a +3", and miss the note. But alright, I'll make the note. The only reason I suggested that you put the correct numbers there and a note is because there are automatic skill packages that the number is could be used. In the case of move silently you would have had 5 ranks in it for it to kick in. But a number listed as +infinite might result in some odd results. Hide (vs Spot) Move (vs Listen) Bluff (vs Sense) Sense (vs Bluff) . Task: All four skills must be higher than the mentioned opposed skills of your opponent. You need at least 5 ranks in each skill. . Effect: You may pick your and your opponents starting boxes, and you gain a surprise round. The boxes still can't be the same. Assuming Walden wasted some skill points it could result in him starting anywhere in the arena he wanted to.
Zelck 12-06-06, 11:27 AM	The only reason I suggested that you put the correct numbers there and a note is because there are automatic skill packages that the number is could be used. In the case of move silently you would have had 5 ranks in it for it to kick in. But a number listed as +infinite might result in some odd results. Hide (vs Spot) Move (vs Listen) Bluff (vs Sense) Sense (vs Bluff) . Task: All four skills must be higher than the mentioned opposed skills of your opponent. You need at least 5 ranks in each skill. . Effect: You may pick your and your opponents starting boxes, and you gain a surprise round. The boxes still can't be the same. Assuming Walden wasted some skill points it could result in him starting anywhere in the arena he wanted to. Ah, I see. Far enough, I'll change it.
TelinArtho 12-06-06, 12:08 PM	Haven't looked over the fight myself yet but I'll comment on the allies: Divide each opponents' allies benefits to you by the number of opponents and add them to the penalty you receive. So an ECL6 character with a CR2 ally and 2 opponents each with a CR1 ally would be like this: 25% (penalty) to you 12.5% penalty to each opponent You receive -25% + 12.5%/2 + 12.5%/2 = -12.5% Each opponent receives: -12.5% + 25%/2 + 12.5%/2 = +6.25% The simple way to figure if you've got it right is that all percentages should total to 0% when added together (at least if the opponents are all at the same ECL...)
TelinArtho 12-06-06, 12:21 PM	1. After the first round of attacks, the spiritual weapon should get 2 attacks per round unless Kraegin retargets it. 2. As mentioned, the Protection from evil potion is CL1 and must make CL checks to prevent the summoned monsters from hitting him anyway. SR is listed in the monster entries I provided in my tactics. 3. In the rewards, please do include that Shadow-smoke survived the encounter and that the duration is ~10 days left. I need to read what the arguments are about the nightmare - but I probably won't be able to comment too much about it before the deadline. If there's any question - I would prefer to have it held over - since the above two points probably are significant enough that Kraegin would have dealt another 12 points of damage to Dronnar.
TelinArtho 12-06-06, 12:56 PM	It appears to me that the remainder of the issue about the nightmare is that Walden should have been attacking it from rounds 10+ instead of trying to avoid it. Since it does appear that the nightmare will be a constant threat that will not be going away, then the part in his tactics about taking out an ally would seem to apply - he should be attacking Shadow-smoke. That said, he would be suffering the miss chance of the smoke from the nightmare - and I think it is extremely unlikely that his +7 melee with his guisarme for 1d4 damage will be doing anything near enough damage to the nightmare with 45 HP and 24 AC and 20% concealment. Alternatively, he could try shooting with his bow for +11 ranged and 1d4+1 damage and 2d6 for psionic shot - but that would be at 50% concealment or would be suffering from AoO from the Nightmare from firing in melee.
Macbrea 12-06-06, 01:01 PM	Go ahead and hold over the fight then. It requires too many corrections to get done today. I Would suggest another pitlord run it as I removed myself from pitlord duties.
TelinArtho 12-06-06, 01:25 PM	@MacBrea - sorry to see that you won't have time for Pitlording in the future (near or far?). Please do send a PM to pitlords to have the fight held over and reassigned.